The myth of Djokovic 2010's domination

Kralingen

G.O.A.T.
The original post doesn’t make sense anyways, Federer was probably his biggest challenge in 2015 not Stan or Murray… 3 Slam SFs/Fs vs Fed in 15/16 vs 4 Slam SFs/Fs against Murray and 3 vs Wawrinka in 15/16. It’s just a lie from an account titled “Nadal prop”. But least that poster is being open about their intentions here, lol.
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
Why wouldn't I start with the last two Wimbledon's :unsure: :oops:
2021 wasn't that bad!:D Anyway, the point is, it all is what it is. People trying to lessen the sweeping accomplishments of players other than their faves as if every player doesn't have stuff you can nitpick over is childishly petty. Be better.
 

weakera

G.O.A.T.
2010 Almagro/Soderling at RG
2010 Murray/Berdych at WB
2010 Youzhny/Djokovic at USO

2015 Wawrinka/Murray at AO
2015 Cilic/Anderson/Federer at WB
2015 RBA/Federer at USO

I mean neither of these are great, but I can we really say one is tougher than the other?

I love this idea that Djokovic 2011 AO is the ultimate final boss and Djokovic 2010 USO a joke lol. As for W, Nadal was merely reclaiming his title he couldn't defend in 2009. And RG, I don't know that he would have lost to even Almagro and soldering in a 2 on 1 ;)
 

weakera

G.O.A.T.
2021 wasn't that bad!:D Anyway, the point is, it all is what it is. People trying to lessen the sweeping accomplishments of players other than their faves as if every player doesn't have stuff you can nitpick over is childishly petty. Be better.
It's not about lessening anyone's accomplishments. It's about dispelling the myth that Djokovic was the dominant force over a decade. His period of "domination" can be reduced to a two season abberation. Otherwise he was second fiddle to Nadal.
 

Kralingen

G.O.A.T.
I love this idea that Djokovic 2011 AO is the ultimate final boss and Djokovic 2010 USO a joke lol. As for W, Nadal was merely reclaiming his title he couldn't defend in 2009. And RG, I don't know that he would have lost to even Almagro and soldering in a 2 on 1 ;)
They are both amazing seasons featuring elite levels of play, both came without facing great opposition.
 

jl809

Professional
years where djokovic won more slams than nadal:
2011
2015
2016
2018
years where nadal won more slams than djokovic:
2010
2013
2017
years where they won the same number:
2012
2014
2019
 

ibbi

G.O.A.T.
It's not about lessening anyone's accomplishments. It's about dispelling the myth that Djokovic was the dominant force over a decade. His period of "domination" can be reduced to a two season abberation. Otherwise he was second fiddle to Nadal.
Again, saying that he was the 'dominant force over a decade' is not a myth, it is a fact. If you want to add context to it, that is fine, but you're cherrypicking. Over the course of the decade, the entire decade, he won more matches, titles, 1000s, slams, and spent more weeks at number 1 than anybody else.

Hell, you can remove 2015-16 and he only barely trails Rafa in most of these categories and that's comparing 8 of his years to Rafa's 10. In fact, I believe in the top 10 wins stat, he still leads Nadal if you remove all his 2015 and 2016 top 10 wins and just compare the amount he has from the other 8 years to Nadal's from the entire decade. Also, if you're discounting 2015 and 2016 in this thing, you should surely discount 2017 and the first half of 2018 when Novak was a shadow of himself too, surely?
 
years where djokovic won more slams than nadal:
2011
2015
2016
2018
years where nadal won more slams than djokovic:
2010
2013
2017
years where they won the same number:
2012
2014
2019
Nadal already had the edge in slams 2006-2009 the fact that he was almost par for the course the next decade despite all those injuries and surgeries speaks volume.
 

RS

Talk Tennis Guru
It was still. enjoyable to see Djokovic in 2015 slug it out with Fed and Stan. Murray was a bit like Hewitt in 04-05 for some of it (apart from Canada 15) vs Fed but okay great for some time.

2016 okay not as much so but Djokovic played great till RG 16.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Thanks to Murray's 3 major injuries he didn't win more.
Two major injuries I recall in that decade: the back surgery and then the hip. The hip was almost a career ender though not just a major injury.
 
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RS

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Two major injuries I recall in that decade: the back surgery and then the hip. The hip was almost a career ender though not just a major injury.
I though he had 2 on the hip?

Could have been a huge challenger to take some Djokovic's Wim titles away
 

NoleFam

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I though he had 2 on the hip?

Could have been a huge challenger to take some Djokovic's Wim titles away
It was the same part of the hip though right?

2014? Well he would have had to beat Djokovic and Federer to win if he was in better form. Tough task. In 2015, he was in better form but lost to Federer. 2016, they were both were out of his way and he had a golden chance to win #2. Then the injury happened. If he was fit and in form, he would have put up more of a challenge than the last two year's opponents for Djokovic though, I agree.
 
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From 2010-2019 Nole was absent for only 1 slam (2017 USO) and Nadal missed 4 slams (2013 AO, 2012, 2014 USO, 2016 Wim). In addition, Nole retired early against Berdych 2017 WIm and 2019 USO Wawrinka (had lost 2 sets already) and Nadal due to wrist injury quit the 2016 FO after 3R. When you add a Gold Medal and 2 Davis Cup wins for Nadal and 1 Davis Cup and 4 ATP titles for Nole it gives Nole the edge. Nole won 38% of the slams he entered and Nadal 36% so that stat is pretty close. Nole was the player of the decade 2010-2019 but Nadal was on his rear-view mirror.
 

Biotic

Hall of Fame
He obviously didn't dominate 2010 or 2017... But than again, does a domination in a weak af 2010 really mean anything?

Didn't think so...
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
Not like Murray, O.lderer and Wawrinka are worse than Thiem, Anderson, Downswingrinka, an even older Clayerer and Med from ‘17-‘19 (Nadal’s opposition in slam wins).
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
Here, let's break this down. No cheating with arbitrary boundaries because you can make up any specific ordering of the years to change the narrative. Just the 2010-2019 decade, pure and simple. If you wanna quibble that the decade starts at 2011 and ends in 2020, I assure you that that looks even better for Djokovic so this right here is me being generous to the Nadal.

2010-2019:
Djokovic - Nadal

Slams: 15 - 13
Additional Slam finals: 7 - 5
YE-#1: 5 - 4
YEC titles: 5 - 0
Masters titles: 29 - 18

Djokovic outperformed everyone else throughout this whole period, and it's fairly clear in most respects. Nadal's done well to keep up respectable numbers--especially at the Slams even though this decade doesn't include all of his best years (on the other hand, all of Djokovic's best seasons are represented). But he's a very obvious second.

Now, let's address the other issue of Djokovic supposedly vulturing wins in 2015 and 2016. It's true, the competition was average at best in 2015 and poor in 2016, but let's not sweep 2010 under the rug like that... that season was even weaker than 2015 and not too shy of 2016.

And obviously 2017-2019 was chock-full of weak competition but both of these players benefitted from it (Nadal slightly more than Djokovic) so it's a moot point.
 
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