The narrative would completely change if Djokovic won that US Open final

Goof

Semi-Pro
he came close to beating djokovic at the us open. he's not too far off. whether he can actually win one is another matter.
It was a joke, aimed mainly Zverev's own confidence issues. I even picked him in another thread to win the AO. He's getting closer and closer and hasn't had the occasional bad early loss or unnecessarily long complicated early round matches that he used to (that's Tsitsipas now).
 

Goof

Semi-Pro
Melbourne can be hot and humid, as well as very hot and very dry, and I remember Djovkovic folding in the heat there in his early career.

He does however play well fresh given that he has now won so many titles in Melbourne.
Big change from early in his career (and from the US Open) is now at AO when it gets hot and humid, they turn on the A/C.

Djok will be the favorite at AO, but I don't expect Medvedev to be satisfied with just one Slam like Thiem seemed to be, and Zverev is inching closer. Tsitsipas is always dangerous too, if woefully inconsistent.

There's a chance Djok could have to face a coming back Nadal relatively early (e.g. 4th round), or, more likely, a returning Stan at any point. While they might not beat him in whatever state they may show up in, they could complicate his path.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
They rarely turn on the AC so you got that wrong. Medvedev could be stuck with Nadal or Stan if the draw goes that way. So you only have a chance that you got that part right.

Big change from early in his career (and from the US Open) is now at AO when it gets hot and humid, they turn on the A/C.

Djok will be the favorite at AO, but I don't expect Medvedev to be satisfied with just one Slam like Thiem seemed to be, and Zverev is inching closer. Tsitsipas is always dangerous too, if woefully inconsistent.

There's a chance Djok could have to face a coming back Nadal relatively early (e.g. 4th round), or, more likely, a returning Stan at any point. While they might not beat him in whatever state they may show up in, they could complicate his path.
 

nov

Semi-Pro
If Djokovic won that final, the majority of people would be saying "Djokovic can win the next 20 slams, Djokovic will win slams till he's 45-50, Djokovic can reach 40 slams, next gen will never win a slam".

Now most people are saying "is Djokovic finished? will he stay at 20? will Medvedev/Zverev win everything next year? will Djokovic go on a big decline/slump and never recover? next gen will win most slams from here"

The narrative is completely different just based on the result of this 1 match. Does anyone else notice this? And how close to the truth are these 2 opposing narratives?
Its always like that on TTW.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
If Djokovic won that final, the majority of people would be saying "Djokovic can win the next 20 slams, Djokovic will win slams till he's 45-50, Djokovic can reach 40 slams, next gen will never win a slam".

Now most people are saying "is Djokovic finished? will he stay at 20? will Medvedev/Zverev win everything next year? will Djokovic go on a big decline/slump and never recover? next gen will win most slams from here"

The narrative is completely different just based on the result of this 1 match. Does anyone else notice this? And how close to the truth are these 2 opposing narratives?
People are stupid and don’t understand the role of chance in sports outcomes. I feel the same way about people who think W19 was a meaningful indicator of the Djokovic/Federer rivalry. The match was less than a cm from going the other way and all the narratives would be flipped.

Sports are weighted random number generators with narratives applied after the fact
 

goldengate14

Semi-Pro
As I said when Fed got mono, this will be a turning point in his career even though we, or even he, will ever know what it cost him. The effects of covid can be lasting, that's all, and he won't tell.

NOT ONLY WAS THERE EVERY CHANCE THAT HE WOULD LOSE THE FINAL, MOST OF THE OBJECTIVE ANALYSTS PREDICTED IT.

When you compared their draws, and the number of dropped sets, the smart money was always on Medvedev.

It might be just a case of old age for Djokovic, but even that is decisive at the end of a slam.
after Wimbledon the media pretty much had Djokovic nailed on to win the Olympics and CYGS. That increased exponentially when he msde the final in NY. Where is there any upside
 

goldengate14

Semi-Pro
That match cost him at least 100 million US Dollars in lost marketing revenue during his life time !!!

Try coming back from that like it is just another GS Final loss !?

And yes ...

Goran was an absolute 'must have' in his box and in the serve category ... there were some second serves worthy of US Open final 2020 !
Second serves were pitifal. He hit one at 68mph. Most were 79mph or low 80s.
His performance was so odd i wonder why but i cant post what i think as ive no proof .
 

Imperator

Hall of Fame
Welcome to TTW, it's always been that way here. People have the same level of anticipation than a senile geriatric under sedation. They can't see beyond what's in front of them.
 

Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
Based on the way he played in 2021, Djoker did not deserve a CYGS, so after he failed, people are now judging him on his level of play, not simply the result. If you complete a CYGS, people will only look at the result. He didn't, so future projections are now more realistic, based on how he actually looked on the court in 2021.
 
If Djokovic won that final, the majority of people would be saying "Djokovic can win the next 20 slams, Djokovic will win slams till he's 45-50, Djokovic can reach 40 slams, next gen will never win a slam".

Now most people are saying "is Djokovic finished? will he stay at 20? will Medvedev/Zverev win everything next year? will Djokovic go on a big decline/slump and never recover? next gen will win most slams from here"

The narrative is completely different just based on the result of this 1 match. Does anyone else notice this? And how close to the truth are these 2 opposing narratives?

Yea big time overreaction. Djoker had to play Berretini/Zverev, while Med had a country club draw full of nobodies. Medvedev may be the player that never wins another slam more than Nole. LOL. I mean I don't think Med will have such a garbage draw like that again.

When the draw came out many of people thought "Mehh Nole may not make it through this"
 
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ibbi

Legend
If Djokovic won that final, the majority of people would be saying "Djokovic can win the next 20 slams, Djokovic will win slams till he's 45-50, Djokovic can reach 40 slams, next gen will never win a slam".

Now most people are saying "is Djokovic finished? will he stay at 20? will Medvedev/Zverev win everything next year? will Djokovic go on a big decline/slump and never recover? next gen will win most slams from here"

The narrative is completely different just based on the result of this 1 match. Does anyone else notice this? And how close to the truth are these 2 opposing narratives?
I mean that is literally how this place works, are you just noticing it now? Forget ‘if he won that final’ you can go back a week and find discussions of how he was going to win 25-30 majors, now people are wondering if they’re all going to finish on 20. Both are absurd. Neither any more so than the other.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
If Djokovic won that final, the majority of people would be saying "Djokovic can win the next 20 slams, Djokovic will win slams till he's 45-50, Djokovic can reach 40 slams, next gen will never win a slam".

Now most people are saying "is Djokovic finished? will he stay at 20? will Medvedev/Zverev win everything next year? will Djokovic go on a big decline/slump and never recover? next gen will win most slams from here"

The narrative is completely different just based on the result of this 1 match. Does anyone else notice this? And how close to the truth are these 2 opposing narratives?

Djo's docs and teams seems to get the recipe right every few years, so even with a win the idea he can just run away without years and years of it is ridiculous.
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
The narrative would also be completely different had Fed converted those match points in 2019
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
Yea big time overreaction. Djoker had to play Berretini/Zverev, while Med had a country club draw full of nobodies. Medvedev may be the player that never wins another slam more than Nole. LOL. I mean I don't think Med will have such a garbage draw like that again.

When the draw came out many of people thought "Mehh Nole may not make it through this"
Players who could have challenged Med before the final were out before they could get to him too.
 

Tennisgods

Hall of Fame
If Djokovic won that final, the majority of people would be saying "Djokovic can win the next 20 slams, Djokovic will win slams till he's 45-50, Djokovic can reach 40 slams, next gen will never win a slam".

Now most people are saying "is Djokovic finished? will he stay at 20? will Medvedev/Zverev win everything next year? will Djokovic go on a big decline/slump and never recover? next gen will win most slams from here"

The narrative is completely different just based on the result of this 1 match. Does anyone else notice this? And how close to the truth are these 2 opposing narratives?
This is absolutely nothing new. Happened to Fed and Nadal several times over. Likelihood is Djokovic wins more of course but you never know, he’s already fallen off a cliff once in his career inexplicably so we’ll see.
 

skaj

Legend
Yes, that happens on this forum after every tournament. Who ever wins the finals is the (next)goat.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Lets try and remember the narrative after 2020 FO last year, and where we are now.

Djokovic is still the top dog. It was his first loss in a slam to these guys and I don't know even from how many attempts. He won 3 majors. He is the #1. Nothing has changed.
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
If Djokovic won that final, the majority of people would be saying "Djokovic can win the next 20 slams, Djokovic will win slams till he's 45-50, Djokovic can reach 40 slams, next gen will never win a slam".

Now most people are saying "is Djokovic finished? will he stay at 20? will Medvedev/Zverev win everything next year? will Djokovic go on a big decline/slump and never recover? next gen will win most slams from here"

The narrative is completely different just based on the result of this 1 match. Does anyone else notice this? And how close to the truth are these 2 opposing narratives?
Neither opposing narrative is true.
Djokovic will not win a slam at age 45.
Djokovic is not finished as a tennis player. He will very probably win one slam or more next year.
 

Patogen

Rookie
LOL, I wouldn't. Again, people believe it's easy, because it fits their narrative, but winning 7 best of five matches in a row at the highest level of competition at that age is incredibly hard. And it's becoming harder and harder from the late twenties, let alone mid thirties, because full recovery is nigh impossible if you play several tough five setters in a row.

I laughed at people who acted like winning the next 8 majors would be like pulling out a booger. I don't count him out, but I realize that with every year, the odds are higher Djok crosses the point of no return (no pun intended). I've seen it so many times. You look invincible still, and within ten months, no more. Remember Rafa. Or you still look competitive, but there comes an injury, and you're never really coming back. Remember Fed. That's thirties.
 
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