The numbers behind the King

eidolonshinobi

eidolonshinobi

Professional
0 - Double faults in Australian Open, Dubai and Miami finals combined
1 - Grand Slam title
2 - Wins in 2010 Davis Cup final
3 - Victories over No. 2 Roger Federer
4 - Victories over No. 1 Rafael Nadal
5 - Wins in under 60 minutes
6 - Different Top 10 players beaten in 2011
7 - Singles titles
8 - Games lost to countryman Viktor Troicki in 3 matches
9 - Sets lost... and also sets won 6-0
10 - Wins over Top 5 opponents
11 - Losses before 37th win in 2010
12 - Games lost in first four matches at Indian Wells
13 - Wins vs. Top 10 players (and 13 wins on clay)
14 - Sets won 6-1
15 - Victories without being broken
16 - Wins for Nadal, 11 for Djokovic in their rivalry
17 - Break points faced at Miami, 15 saved
18 - Consecutive sets won from Jan. 19-Feb. 23
19 - Sets won and 1 set lost at Australian Open
20 - Career outdoor titles after Rome triumph
21 - Victories in which he broke his opponent at least 5 times
22 - Straight wins at ATP World Tour Masters 1000 events
23 - Career losses to left-handers, 8-0 during streak
24 - Years old on May 22nd
25 - Career titles after winning in Rome
26 - Match wins on hard court
27 - November was when Djokovic last lost a match (l. Federer)
28 - Different players defeated
29 - Straight wins by Ivan Lendl to start 1986, surpassed by Djokovic in Madrid R16
30 - Break points converted in 6 matches at Indian Wells
31 - Consecutive wins by Bjorn Borg to start 1980, surpassed by Djokovic in Madrid SF
32 - Match win streak is the longest of Nadal’s career
33 - Percent of first-serve return points won by both Djokovic and Nadal in the Rome final
34 - Career losses in a deciding set, 9-0 during streak
35 - Matches in which he won the first set
36 - Weeks at No. 2 entering Roland Garros (week of May 23)
37 - Match clay-court win streak of Nadal’s snapped by Djokovic
38 - Service points won by both Djokovic and Nadal in the Rome final
39 - Successive wins


Full article found http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2011/05/Features/Djokovic-Win-Streak-By-The-Numbers.aspx
 
Yep, probably the greatest physical improvement in 2 months time in the history of tennis. I can't think of another top player who suddenly started dominating the sport after plateauing at one level for years.

The only similar physical improvement I have ever seen like this, occurred in Major League Baseball when a couple of players suddenly got a great boost in their confidence and realized their true potential.
 
Lsmkenpo said:
Yep, probably the greatest physical improvement in 2 months time in the history of tennis. I can't think of another top player who suddenly started dominating the sport after plateauing at one level for years.

The only similar physical improvement I have ever seen like this, occurred in Major League Baseball when a couple of players suddenly got a great boost in their confidence and realized their true potential.
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A lot of people are underestimating the debilitating effect of gluten if you are actually allergic to it, which Djokovic apparently is. It's not just a diet, he has a condition. In my mind that easily explains the physical improvement. He's not running circles around the top guys, he's just edging out close matches, which has more to do with confidence than physicality.
 
Kunohara said:
I laugh everytime I realize someone is gullible enough to believe that bs.
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I have a friend with gluten allergies who gets sick when he eats gluten. He didn't discover the condition until he was 21-years-old. Why can't Djokovic have a similar condition? I guess he could be lying, but I give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
colonelforbin said:
A lot of people are underestimating the debilitating effect of gluten if you are actually allergic to it, which Djokovic apparently is. It's not just a diet, he has a condition. In my mind that easily explains the physical improvement. He's not running circles around the top guys, he's just edging out close matches, which has more to do with confidence than physicality.
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Yes, I read the story his team made public to the media for some reason, it is a wonder the man was able to even hold up a racquet before, very touching.

People need to realize this is a world class athlete who was already in peak condition we are talking about, not themselves or their Aunt Ethel.

In sports history there is a large list of athletes we can call the almost-weres, athletes who were close to the top for a long time but never were they strived to be. When one of these perennial almost-weres suddenly becomes the best in their sport virtually over night, a red flag goes up. http://www.slate.com/id/2110902/

History tells us the majority had one thing in common for the sudden boost in performance, unfortunately it wasn't something as simple as a diet change.

If this was something that was common to see in the sport naturally it wouldn't be met with such skepticism.
 
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colonelforbin said:
I have a friend with gluten allergies who gets sick when he eats gluten. He didn't discover the condition until he was 21-years-old. Why can't Djokovic have a similar condition? I guess he could be lying, but I give him the benefit of the doubt.
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So basically all his matches before 2011 shouldn't count. This makes his H2H with Nadal 4-0 and 3-0 with Fed. Sweet!
 
colonelforbin said:
A lot of people are underestimating the debilitating effect of gluten if you are actually allergic to it, which Djokovic apparently is. It's not just a diet, he has a condition. In my mind that easily explains the physical improvement. He's not running circles around the top guys, he's just edging out close matches, which has more to do with confidence than physicality.
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So straight-setting the greatest clay court player 3 consecutive times on said surface is 'edging out' the top guys(s)? They may be close sets, but still, he never looked in trouble at all in those matches.

Are we also ready to believe that, in those close matches that he's had over the years with Nadal & Fed, the Djoker was suffering from said gluten issue? So he was ill, yet managed to top Nadal & Fed in previous years? He was ill, yet #3 for what seems like an eternity?

Good god, now that he's healthy, matured, great team,service back to normal, he'll win 32453453535 matches straight!
 
I dont support Djokovic at all, i dont like him at all, he is very Serbian (stereotyping). I love to see him beat Nadal though, gives me great pleasure

But still, it would be terrible if he had illegal substances in his body
 
dimeaxe said:
You're just BIG AS*HOLE, you're bashing Novak all the time, you know nothing about tennis, IDIOT.
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Very telling response, I can see there must be some doubt in your mind also.

Honestly, I would doubt any player who suddenly became the best in the game in such a short period of time including my favorites.
 
Lsmkenpo and ivan_the_terrible are just bitter angry miserable ****s who can't deal with Novak's success and try to compete who will post more lies and nonsense about Novak. Should not pay too much attention to their blabbering.
 
tenis1 said:
Lsmkenpo and ivan_the_terrible are just bitter angry miserable ****s who can't deal with Novak's success and try to compete who will post more lies and nonsense about Novak. Should not pay too much attention to their blabbering.
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Actually, I like when Nole whips Ralph.

Happy now?
 
tenis1 said:
Lsmkenpo and ivan_the_terrible are just bitter angry miserable ****s who can't deal with Novak's success and try to compete who will post more lies and nonsense about Novak. Should not pay too much attention to their blabbering.
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They at least compose most of their posts with intellect.

Some of these *********s seem like morons with their dumb responses"OMG STFU!Don't talk bad about Nole. Nole is the best. AJDE!"
 
Lsmkenpo said:
People need to realize this is a world class athlete who was already in peak condition we are talking about, not themselves or their Aunt Ethel.


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How can you be so sure? So Federer before 2004 was a top 10 player (up & down) for more than a couple of years, so he was on his peak and then took roids and voila? became number 1? you do know that Fed was 23 years old when he started to actually play the way that took him to the #1, do you know how old is Djokovic? 23yo.
 
Sid_Vicious said:
They at least compose most of their posts with intellect.

Some of these *********s seem like morons with their dumb responses"OMG STFU!Don't talk bad about Nole. Nole is the best. AJDE!"
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I see no intellect in their lies and hate. Just a misery.
 
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Guys,you're all missing the point.How you can accuse him of doping, when he doesn't have strong background like american athletes,for example.
 
heftylefty said:
Serious question: What is being "very Serbian" about?
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heftylefty said:
In the USA that describes the following groups:
Yankees Fans
Red Sox Fans
Lakers Fans
Celtics Fans
Duke Fans

...forgot University of Southern California Fans.
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I dont give a **** what that means in USA, no one cares.

Read up on European history, experience European culture for some years, then get back to me.
 
heftylefty said:
In the USA that describes the following groups:
Yankees Fans
Red Sox Fans
Lakers Fans
Celtics Fans
Duke Fans

...forgot University of Southern California Fans.
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lolololol.

Nice one, hefty. Maybe Miami Heat fans will be there soon. Also, majority of college students. :)
 
TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
I dont give a **** what that means in USA, no one cares.

Read up on European history, experience European culture for some years, then get back to me.
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Actually I do know a little about Euro History, so don't be an ***. The point I am trying to make is people are people. Slandering a whole nation is very weak.
 
tenis1 said:
Lsmkenpo and ivan_the_terrible are just bitter angry miserable ****s who can't deal with Novak's success and try to compete who will post more lies and nonsense about Novak. Should not pay too much attention to their blabbering.
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Very weak attempt to deflect the deserved scrutiny of the situation. I am simply skeptical, and sports history gives me a very good reason to be so.

It isn't just a few people on this board who think something is not right. It has been hinted at in the press and TV broadcasts all over the world. Are all these people bitter, angry and miserable. One of the ATP world tour broadcasters said during the broadcast "Novak's physical improvement over a few short months defies logic."

Name any player in the history of tennis who suddenly started dominating the game physically in such a short time frame, name a single one, you can't do it. It has been anything but gradual.
 
ivan_the_terrible said:
So straight-setting the greatest clay court player 3 consecutive times on said surface is 'edging out' the top guys(s)? They may be close sets, but still, he never looked in trouble at all in those matches.

Are we also ready to believe that, in those close matches that he's had over the years with Nadal & Fed, the Djoker was suffering from said gluten issue? So he was ill, yet managed to top Nadal & Fed in previous years? He was ill, yet #3 for what seems like an eternity?

Good god, now that he's healthy, matured, great team,service back to normal, he'll win 32453453535 matches straight!
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The severity of an allergy can obviously vary. I'm not saying he was playing matches while "sick" prior to this year, but it is a valid argument for him feeling more fit.

Djokovic's streak is incredible, but it's not like he's coming from #6 in the world to #1, he's been a talented #3 who has played many close matches with Fedal in the past. The fact that he is now coming into his prime and winning those matches should not be terribly surprising. Combining that with a little bit of luck and you have the current streak.

I'm actually not that big of a Djokovic fan, but I just don't get why people need to jump to the most controversial allegations (doping) to explain Djokovic's success. We've always known he is very talented and can beat Fedal, in my mind his current form is something tennis has been waiting for, and it's finally arrived. To me this streak is exciting, not drop-dead surprising.
 
heftylefty said:
Actually I do know a little about Euro History, so don't be an ***. The point I am trying to make is people are people. Slandering a whole nation is very weak.
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I wrote that it was stereotyping, i have Serbian friends, even an x girlfriend of mine is Serbian. This is my opinion, you have yours.
 
jmverdugo said:
How can you be so sure? So Federer before 2004 was a top 10 player (up & down) for more than a couple of years, so he was on his peak and then took roids and voila? became number 1? you do know that Fed was 23 years old when he started to actually play the way that took him to the #1, do you know how old is Djokovic? 23yo.
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Pretty silly comparison, I don't think there was a single fan of the sport who didn't think Federer was a surefire future #1 player who would go one to win many majors. His talent level was on another scale at the time. Djokovic is no comparison to an Up and coming young Federer.

Djokovic has been at a plateau in skill for years at #3 and suddenly in a few short months is on a record breaking streak not a gradual climb with escalating results over his career.
 
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Lsmkenpo said:
Yes, I read the story his team made public to the media for some reason, it is a wonder the man was able to even hold up a racquet before, very touching.

People need to realize this is a world class athlete who was already in peak condition we are talking about, not themselves or their Aunt Ethel.

In sports history there is a large list of athletes we can call the almost-weres, athletes who were close to the top for a long time but never were they strived to be. When one of these perennial almost-weres suddenly becomes the best in their sport virtually over night, a red flag goes up. http://www.slate.com/id/2110902/

History tells us the majority had one thing in common for the sudden boost in performance, unfortunately it wasn't something as simple as a diet change.

If this was something that was common to see in the sport naturally it wouldn't be met with such skepticism.
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I myself often have a jaundice eye, but you are being rather cynical here! Transition to the top often happens in spurts, especially in individual sports.

Also it is important to note that the ATP tour is going through a small transitionary phase right now with other top players either injured or not in top form.

Lets go thru the entire year and see what happens before making gross accusations. Nole, and Nadal for that matter besides Nole, have not faced much competition for the most part. Again, Nadal's current form would not have taken him to 5 straight Master's finals in previous years!
 
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