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joohan

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@joohan : Do you have already logged enough time with your tc97 for a review?
Only serve practices and shot drills so far. Not much time and the weather is not helping either. I will lead it up at some point, trying to log as much court time with the stock form as possible.
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
I've heard of the Angell frames and have also been going through the reviews here. Finally took the plunge and ordered 2 X TC95 63 RA 330 g / 310 mm frames. Can't wait to take them out for a spin (hopefully next week)..
What string pattern did you get? What racquets are you currently playing with? Have fun and welcome to the club!!!
 

topspn

Legend
Thanks for that. Seems to be that the 70RA doesn't receive the same praise as the 63RA
TC95 70RA is a special racquet a monster on serve and very versatile. If you get the SW up a bit to match the 63RA, it hits just as big. The 63 RA is a better stick on volleys so tiny pros and cons but a great stick
 
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joohan

Guest
TC95 70RA is a special racquet a monster on serve and very versatile. If you get the SW up a bit to match the 63RA, it hits just as big. The 63 RA is a better stick on volleys so tiny pros and cons but a great stick
How does Duel G330 compare to TC95? It's probably the only frame left I'd consider buying.
 

whacktheball

New User
What string pattern did you get? What racquets are you currently playing with? Have fun and welcome to the club!!!
Got the 16 X 19s in standard length. I've been playing with Babolat Pure Control 95+ for over a year and before that Dunlop bio 400 tour and few other stiffer racquets. I really enjoyed using the Babolats and it was a huge improvement over the Dunlop 400 in terms of control. While I was liking the extended length on my first serves, I never really got dialed in on my groundstrokes. NTRP 4.5 player here. fast strokes with eastern grip forehand and 2HBH.
 

topspn

Legend
How does Duel G330 compare to TC95? It's probably the only frame left I'd consider buying.
I absolutely love the Duel G 330. More feedback then the TC95 and a better volley stick. Both serve huge and launch angle is higher for the TC95. I’d pick the Duel G330 by a hair, it’s a really special stick
 
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joohan

Guest
Another practice with 18x20 TC97. Absolute control over the tip of the frame, I'd have to think very hard of another racquet providing similar sensation. If this feeling holds in a match-play I would be very reluctant to use any lead whatsoever, I'll only put on a leather grip for better feel and a touch more HL balance. Btw. "Halo 2" is a very nice poly.
 

John Z.

Rookie
Two questions for you guys:

1. Looks to me like the head shape of those frames (say TC90, TC95) are quite elongated, somewhat similar to Prestiges frames ? Is the "swing style" of those frames closer to prestiges than to prostaffs?

2. TC95 16x19 seem to have a fairly open string pattern, how does that frame compares in control and spin to PS90 or Ezone DR 98 ? (those are frame i know very well)

Thanks in advance!
 

John Z.

Rookie
Two questions for you guys:

1. Looks to me like the head shape of those frames (say TC90, TC95) are quite elongated, somewhat similar to Prestiges frames ? Is the "swing style" of those frames closer to prestiges than to prostaffs?

2. TC95 16x19 seem to have a fairly open string pattern, how does that frame compares in control and spin to PS90 or Ezone DR 98 ? (those are frames i know very well)

Thanks in advance!
 

SinjinCooper

Hall of Fame
1. Looks to me like the head shape of those frames (say TC90, TC95) are quite elongated, somewhat similar to Prestiges frames ? Is the "swing style" of those frames closer to prestiges than to prostaffs?
They play a lot more like Prestiges than they do like ProStaffs. That said, they're certainly not exactly like Prestiges, either, and I haven't used any of the most modern ProStaff incarnations except the RF. Angells play nothing like the RF, thank God. Don't know what you mean by, "swing style."
 

ed70

Professional
Is the power that people talk about with the TC 95 63ra partly due to the high swingweight on the older frames? Just wondering as the new one's apparently have lower swing weights maybe only slightly higher than tc97's.
 

ed70

Professional
Is the power that people talk about with the TC 95 63ra partly due to the high swingweight on the older frames? Just wondering as the new one's apparently have lower swing weights maybe only slightly higher than tc97's.
 

808

Semi-Pro
Dropped off the TC97 18x20's at my stringer today. Going to do some string testing.

Will update once I actually had a chance to play the new strings.
 
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joohan

Guest
Dropped off the TC97 18x20's at my stringer today. Going to do some string testing.

Will update once I actually had a chance to play the new strings.
Have you used gut/poly hybrid in your TC97 yet?
 
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joohan

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Dropped off the TC97 18x20's at my stringer today. Going to do some string testing.

Will update once I actually had a chance to play the new strings.
 
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joohan

Guest
Oh yes, I forgot you replied to a similar question already. Excellent, thanks.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
Is the power that people talk about with the TC 95 63ra partly due to the high swingweight on the older frames? Just wondering as the new one's apparently have lower swing weights maybe only slightly higher than tc97's.
I think it's because of combination of excellent layup quality (with high energy return), relatively high SW (it's a stock polarized frame racquet actually) and relatively open pattern in the groundstroke hitting zone.
 

John Z.

Rookie
Two questions for you guys:

1. Looks to me like the head shape of those frames (say TC90, TC95) are quite elongated, somewhat similar to Prestiges frames ? Is the "swing style" of those frames closer to prestiges than to prostaffs?

2. TC95 16x19 seem to have a fairly open string pattern, how does that frame compares in control and spin to PS90 or Ezone DR 98 ? (those are frames i know very well)
They play a lot more like Prestiges than they do like ProStaffs. That said, they're certainly not exactly like Prestiges, either, and I haven't used any of the most modern ProStaff incarnations except the RF. Angells play nothing like the RF, thank God. Don't know what you mean by, "swing style."
Thanks Cooper. Everything else being equal, elongated head shape (prestige like) tend to swing very differently than rounder frames (most prince & babolats for example), with prostaff being somewhere in-between. That's essentially what i meant by "swing style"... and since i tend to dislike long head shape (not sure why, but i grew up playing with prince) i should probably be careful before investing in TC95...
 

Khoi Pham

New User
Compared to TC95, TC97 does not possess the menacing power and spin. It has a bigger sweetspot that produces exactly what you put into the stroke. I'd like to underline the word exactly because TC95 is somewhat similar but has that extra hidden potential that's begging to come out in form of a booming groundstroke. TC97 feels more refined in that matter...it's like TC95 is a racquet ideal for someone like Del Potro who needs tons of control but also some heat when he decides to unleash and finish the point at will. TC97 is not a shotmakers rifle like TC95 or Tour G 330, it's a frame ideal for, say, Andy Murray, who wants/needs/knows to dose power and spin in nanowatts and single units of RPMs. If TC95 has the potential to be a weapon of mass destruction, TC97 18x20 is a weapon of mass construction in capable hands. I mistimed a bunch of my first serves but seconds were simply awesome. I could hit lines at various speeds, kicks, slices at will.
Can I ask you to clarify on your comparison TC97 vs Tc95. You said TC97 doesn't have the power/spin of TC95, but then describe TC95 as a racquet for someone who needs a lot of control and describe TC97 as a racquet for those who need power. I have a TC97 18x20 and like you, it didn't live up to my expectations initially but after a few sessions it felt like something I will keep for the next 5+ years or so. I just ordered a TC95 18x20 70 RA seeking for a bit more control and I was hoping if you could add some more comments on TC95 now that you've hit with it for a while. Also, what was your SW for TC95. I play with the same specs and I tend to gravitate towards roughly 300 unstrung.
 

Khoi Pham

New User
Compared to TC95, TC97 does not possess the menacing power and spin. It has a bigger sweetspot that produces exactly what you put into the stroke. I'd like to underline the word exactly because TC95 is somewhat similar but has that extra hidden potential that's begging to come out in form of a booming groundstroke. TC97 feels more refined in that matter...it's like TC95 is a racquet ideal for someone like Del Potro who needs tons of control but also some heat when he decides to unleash and finish the point at will. TC97 is not a shotmakers rifle like TC95 or Tour G 330, it's a frame ideal for, say, Andy Murray, who wants/needs/knows to dose power and spin in nanowatts and single units of RPMs. If TC95 has the potential to be a weapon of mass destruction, TC97 18x20 is a weapon of mass construction in capable hands. I mistimed a bunch of my first serves but seconds were simply awesome. I could hit lines at various speeds, kicks, slices at will.
Can I ask you to clarify on your comparison TC97 vs Tc95. You said TC97 doesn't have the power/spin of TC95, but then describe TC95 as a racquet for someone who needs a lot of control and describe TC97 as a racquet for those who need power. I have a TC97 18x20 and like you, it didn't live up to my expectations initially but after a few sessions it felt like something I will keep for the next 5+ years or so. I just ordered a TC95 18x20 70 RA seeking for a bit more control and I was hoping if you could add some more comments on TC95 now that you've hit with it for a while. Also, what was your SW for TC95. I play with the same specs and I tend to gravitate towards roughly 300 unstrung.
 
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joohan

Guest
Can I ask you to clarify on your comparison TC97 vs Tc95. You said TC97 doesn't have the power/spin of TC95, but then describe TC95 as a racquet for someone who needs a lot of control and describe TC97 as a racquet for those who need power. I have a TC97 18x20 and like you, it didn't live up to my expectations initially but after a few sessions it felt like something I will keep for the next 5+ years or so. I just ordered a TC95 18x20 70 RA seeking for a bit more control and I was hoping if you could add some more comments on TC95 now that you've hit with it for a while. Also, what was your SW for TC95. I play with the same specs and I tend to gravitate towards roughly 300 unstrung.
It's actually the other way around. TC97 is perfect for someone who is after total control, 63RA TC95 has significantly more pop and more spin at its disposal at the same specs, pattern. Plus I was impressed with the TC97 from the first practice session since it's very much like my leaded Dunlop Bio300Tour both in feel, power level and performance.

I don't know the SW of my tennis racquets. If you search this forum for posts from @ugly duck he had one of my TC95s for a play test and I think he mentioned the SW in one of his posts. There is not much to add, though. I can feel the difference in flex between the D shaped TC95 and boxier TC97(preferring TC97), they are both very comfortable (I've only played with 63RA TC95)with sweetspot being bigger in TC97.

Biggest difference is power. Both racquets are very linear in power department but TC95s power function curve is much steeper than that of TC97 - you get more pop from TC95 with strokes being equal. For spin the difference is about the same. Control level off of the stringbed is about equal but if you add power element (or lack of...) into equation, TC97 helps you keep the ball within lines more. On the other hand, if you learn to use the power potential of TC95 to your benefit, it's easier to win matches with it as you can dominate anyone with whatever tennis racquet they play due to its commanding plow over the ball.

TC95 - pure first strikers frame
TC97 - counter punchers dream
 

Khoi Pham

New User
Dang that's disappointing. I hit quite flat so I need just a tad bit more control than TC97, although everything else is perfect. Is there any difference in terms of weight/flex distribution between the two?
 

ugly duck

New User
It's actually the other way around. TC97 is perfect for someone who is after total control, 63RA TC95 has significantly more pop and more spin at its disposal at the same specs, pattern. Plus I was impressed with the TC97 from the first practice session since it's very much like my leaded Dunlop Bio300Tour both in feel, power level and performance.

I don't know the SW of my tennis racquets. If you search this forum for posts from @ugly duck he had one of my TC95s for a play test and I think he mentioned the SW in one of his posts. There is not much to add, though. I can feel the difference in flex between the D shaped TC95 and boxier TC97(preferring TC97), they are both very comfortable (I've only played with 63RA TC95)with sweetspot being bigger in TC97.

Biggest difference is power. Both racquets are very linear in power department but TC95s power function curve is much steeper than that of TC97 - you get more pop from TC95 with strokes being equal. For spin the difference is about the same. Control level off of the stringbed is about equal but if you add power element (or lack of...) into equation, TC97 helps you keep the ball within lines more. On the other hand, if you learn to use the power potential of TC95 to your benefit, it's easier to win matches with it as you can dominate anyone with whatever tennis racquet they play due to its commanding plow over the ball.

TC95 - pure first strikers frame
TC97 - counter punchers dream
Well, I didn't measure. My tc100 was reported by the previous owner at 331 (strung+dampener+overgrip).

In direct comparison your tc95 has a healthy dose of swing weight more. I can't put it in numbers yet maybe at the end of the week!
 
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joohan

Guest
Dang that's disappointing. I hit quite flat so I need just a tad bit more control than TC97, although everything else is perfect. Is there any difference in terms of weight/flex distribution between the two?
I guess you should buy one used and see for yourself. If you need more control than 97 and hit flat, you should consider TC90. Some users with eastern grips can't praise it enough.
 
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joohan

Guest
Finally got a chance to hit some rallies with 18x20 TC97. I had to find my timing and range but once I have it's been incredible. Only aspect that was lacking a bit was playing heavy western forehands, especially on a stretch. I could feel lack of mass I'm accustomed to with my other sticks, resulting in less penetrating kick on the ball. Other than that, pure evil for those on the other side of the net (played one against two). As I suspected from my drill sessions, I could dose power and spins in nanounits with a feel of absolute control over my shots with only exception in going full out for the lines. This will take some more getting used to as I was often too fast in a stroke in the heat of the rally...same goes for volleys. Slices are deadly off both wings, offensive as well as defensive - if I was able to make a proper connection, the ball rarely came back from the other side of the net. Standout feature for me today was redirecting cross court backhands down the line, I don't remember missing a single shot of this type...very pleasantly surprised. Incredible asset.

As I've already mentioned - it's highly unlikely I will add any lead whatsoever. I wouldn't like to lose an inch of maneuverability I have now and will keep practicing those few shots that begged for lead at 3/9 today. I think I'm not getting ahead of myself if I say this is the best Angell racquet for my game (not that surprising given it's a clone of my long term go-to racquet), the specs are right on and at least one more TC97 18x20 will be coming in not too distant future.
 
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comeback

Hall of Fame
Re the Angell Grip;Grip shape – B
Grip type – High Tack PU Grey
I ordered a 4 1/4 but it's more in between a 4 3/8 -4 1/2..Also it's been tearing up my inner thumb..I don't use or want to use an overgrip..I'm playing well with the bigger grip but my inner thumb cannot take much more ..Has this happened to anyone else? The only solution i can think of is to replace the grip with a thinner, smoother, less tacky grip
 

Ft.S

Semi-Pro
Re the Angell Grip;Grip shape – B
Grip type – High Tack PU Grey
I ordered a 4 1/4 but it's more in between a 4 3/8 -4 1/2..Also it's been tearing up my inner thumb..I don't use or want to use an overgrip..I'm playing well with the bigger grip but my inner thumb cannot take much more ..Has this happened to anyone else? The only solution i can think of is to replace the grip with a thinner, smoother, less tacky grip
This happens to me with any grip type or shape, I just let my thumb develop :) Now there is a thick multi-layer hard skin almost double the size of normal; no more pain or skin rash.
 
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ed70

Professional
Ordered a tc95.... 16x19 63ra 315g 9pts headlight. Surely It can't surpass my TC97 Will string it up wit RS Lyon and write a review after I've had at least 10 hours court time
 
Pulled the trigger aswell on a TC95 16x19 63ra 320gr/305mm. Paul is even making a custom gripsize 4 3/4 for me so what a great service! Thanks for the input on my questions guys, much appreciated!

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That's really cool about the grip size! Be sure to tell us how it works for you!
 
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comeback

Hall of Fame
This happens to me with any grip type or shape, I just let my thumb develop :) Now there is a thick multi-layer hard skin almost double the size of normal; no more pain or skin rash.
Thanks but i've been playing tennis for many years and seldom had this problem..The Angell grips on my 2 rackets are 1.5 sizes bigger.. so it must be that
 
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