rlau
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How about a TC95 18x20 70RA?
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treblings
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yes, i read @SpinToWin ´s racquet test with great interest and he mentions the plow through of the TC95.
that is one quality that i believe the iprestige has.
SinjinCooper
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Recreating the magic of the i.Prestige MP XL is what drove me to Angell. The TC95, 18x20, 27.5" plays almost identically. The feel lacks just the tiniest bit of the crispness the i.P had, but I actually like the Angell better in this regard. If there were a God of slice backhands, this would be a holy artifact.according to @vsbabolat, particularly the 18x20 version plays like the PT630i can understand the similarity with the Bio Tour 300. it´s the same kind of
old school players frame i guess.
my favourite alltime racquet is the iprestige mp. now if only i could find a clone to that one
SinjinCooper
Hall of Fame
Sorry, mine is the 63.great feedback, thanks
his weapon of choice is the TC95, 18/20 with RA70. yours as well? or do you prefer the RA63?
treblings
Hall of Fame
No reason to be sorry. RA70 sounds too stiff for my liking anyway
J
joohan
Guest
63RA TC95 (18x20 in my case) is in the same league as Yonex Tour G 330 or RF97. If you know how to use it properly, matches are played on your terms only. I admit I struggle a bit with all that firepower and I much prefer lower powered TC97 but...in all honesty...those three frames allow you to play that sexy, all out attack, Roger-in-AO2017-final tennis especially if you have an one handed backhand.
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treblings
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Sounds good to me...and i do have a one-handed backhand
Georgo
New User
TC97 18x20 is almost a PT630.according to @vsbabolat, particularly the 18x20 version plays like the PT630
old school players frame i guess.
Just customisable.I wanted a bit more open pattern though, hence the 16x19 version for me.
treblings
Hall of Fame
TC97 18x20 is almost a PT630.
I wanted a bit more open pattern though, hence the 16x19 version for me.
you wanted Murrays version of the PT630
Georgo
New User
Not because of Murray, but yes.you wanted Murrays version of the PT630
The racquet Head decided not to sell to us mortals. That is the TC97 16x19. Thank you Paul!
treblings
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Not because of Murray, but yes.
Head made that decision with many racquets, like the pt57e that i´m looking for, or the prestige mid
rlau
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You know that 70RA is unstrung and ungripped? So the strung and gripped frame will be about 65RA.
treblings
Hall of Fame
you make a good point
the iprestige mp had a 62RA strung iirc. i guess in the end i have to order one or the other and see for myself
zalive
Hall of Fame
This flex is actually great for a crisper feel with good comfort (and nobody should doubt any of Paul's racquet is comfortable).
My bigger concern is a different layup in 70 RA, less thick than one in 63 RA, with lower SW as well. I guess it had to be done to reduce power gain from stiffer layup, to make them similarly powered. But it's the thick layup that is so special in 63 RA version. As for stiffness I'd perhaps appreciate more around 65 RA strung, as 62-65 RA is good flex for my game, or TC97's flex perhaps the best, but I'm more interesting in experiencing this fat old-style massive layup found in 63 RA...
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Gee
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Since a few months I am playing with the TC97 18x20 330 grams 12HL (unstrung). Though I really want to like this one I don't really understand why so many are so lyric about the TC97 18x20 and it reminds of a PT630.
I honestly must admit I prefer the feel of my Vantage 95 (TC95) 18x20 63RA. Maybe I got a bad TC97 example?
I honestly must admit I prefer the feel of my Vantage 95 (TC95) 18x20 63RA. Maybe I got a bad TC97 example?
Subaruvich
Semi-Pro
Me neither. For my game TC95 does all the TC97 can do, plus more power.
Gee
Hall of Fame
I think the difference in forgiveness of the TC95 vs TC97 is hardly noticeable. Maybe the TC97 is just a little easier to hit deep topspin strokes.
To me the TC97 feels more like a (improved) IG Prestige MP. Not bad at all but when I hit the sweetspot of the TC97 I don't feel something special whereas the TC95 gives me a sensation feel that makes me smile!
Subaruvich
Semi-Pro
To me the TC97 feels more like a (improved) IG Prestige MP. Not bad at all but when I hit the sweetspot of the TC97 I don't feel something special whereas the TC95 gives me a sensation feel that makes me smile!
I hit with them back to back TC95 and TC97 both patterns and no doubt they are great frames, but I always ended up playing with TC95 because as you said, it brings the smile on players face.
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Gee
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I am wondering if the TC100 63RA has a similar feel as the TC95 as I was looking for a little more forgiven frame. I think that'll help my game a little bit at important points. Did you happen to hit with the TC100?
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Subaruvich
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SinjinCooper
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Only sorry I eliminated that piece of info from my OP. I feel like there's so much customizability to the Angells that I invariably leave off something.
TC 95, 18x20 pattern, 27.5" length, 63 RA, 345g unstrung, 12 pt HL, 4 5/8, A-shape black leather grip. I think that's the whole of the specs as delivered. Might've been 10 pt HL. I posted earlier in the thread when it was fresh on my mind.
treblings
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the 345g is really unstrung?
SinjinCooper
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Yeah, goal was to get it to match my old i.P's. 13.0/10 HL after string and overgrip. Actually found happiness at 13.2/12, but that's neither here nor there.
treblings
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Yeah, goal was to get it to match my old i.P's. 13.0/10 HL after string and overgrip. Actually found happiness at 13.2/12, but that's neither here nor there.
thanks SinjinCooper
your help is really appreciated.
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Legend
I always do one piece
Yeah it seems to be a force multiplier... I get that extra wicked heaviness and spin from the TC95, those who play me often mention just how much extra mustard seemingly routine rally balls have. Stealth, putting extra stick on the ball when it seems just like the previous ball. Basically if you get it all lined up and timed its gonna be felt.
The "fat layup" is actually how it acheves the flex... the carbon fiber layers are put on at more angles and layers to achieve the effect because carbon fiber is strongest when laid in certain directions... thus to engineer flex paul has to use more layers. If you want similar fat layup effect with the Tc95 RA70 you should be able to just add a little lead in the throat. That way you get the mass without the flex (I like both but I can see where the stiffer layup is better for many people). In other words get the stiffer option and just add a lil lead and you should be good to go.
I think you will really like it... it takes a bit of getting used to but man is it one beast mode of a stick. really low shoelace volleys took a bit to get used to but it all came around eventually... so much to like about the stick: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/angell-tc95-16x19-flexy-shakedown.553138/
I got another one coming myself so Ill have both the new and old PJ
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Backhanded Compliment
Legend
yes but different... most pacific frames are recast Fischers that have a "tuned" type of feel... its both muted with tons of good feedback in the middle high frequencies. Angell's feel like old dunlops on steroids. More solid. Think of Pacific as like a Audi and Angell like Aston Martins... both street legal... well appointed both omg nice feel just the Angell is more refined and less hifi (if that makes any sense). Pacific is very German, Angell very British... both very European. Most Pacifics are a tad underpowered... most Angells have power in reserve comparing similar models.
Lord Anomander
Professional
I'm still debating with myself whether I want to get an Angell. Would you recommend a beginner (playing for a little less than 2 years now, weekly during winter, about 2-3 times per week during summer) an Angell? I'm looking for comfort as I still mishit too often (my timing is still a little off on the forehand, which results in my coach thinking that my technique is wrong and I sometimes hit near the frame).
I don't know about RA, I think a higher SW (63RA) would make it even harder for me to time my strokes (I don't have any problems on my 2H-BH though), but I've read most people are preferring the lower RA version of a racquet.
I might get a new racquet in June/July, but I want to make an educated choice although it might be hard for you to give me any kind of advice as you don't know me and I've never played with an Angell frame before.
I don't know about RA, I think a higher SW (63RA) would make it even harder for me to time my strokes (I don't have any problems on my 2H-BH though), but I've read most people are preferring the lower RA version of a racquet.
I might get a new racquet in June/July, but I want to make an educated choice although it might be hard for you to give me any kind of advice as you don't know me and I've never played with an Angell frame before.
Subaruvich
Semi-Pro
You can contact Paul on his FB page and tell him about your game, current racquet of choice and he will guide you and help choosing the right Angell racquet for you. He is a great guy and will be glad to help.
Lord Anomander
Professional
oble
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I think the difference in forgiveness of the TC95 vs TC97 is hardly noticeable. Maybe the TC97 is just a little easier to hit deep topspin strokes.
To me the TC97 feels more like a (improved) IG Prestige MP. Not bad at all but when I hit the sweetspot of the TC97 I don't feel something special whereas the TC95 gives me a sensation feel that makes me smile!
I haven't had the opportunity to hit with both TC95 63RA and TC97, I just went straight to the TC95 based on feedbacks here and I have been enjoying the racquet so much I actually don't feel like trying anything else. Ok, except maybe the original PS85 -- I just want to experience hitting with that racquet at least once in my life.
Ft.S
Semi-Pro
Angell racquets are not just for advance players, they are just racquets that the manufacturer allows you to spec out to your preferences. The only thing that may induce reluctance is most recreational players, at any level, hardly know their preferences and don't want to be bothered with weight, balance, RA, etc.
The Angells truly deserve all the praise, and some of the criticisms, they receive on these forums. So, just pick something that you think you may like, and play with it for few weeks. Once you play with a version of the racquet, you start better understanding all of available choices and you will be able to make a more informed decision. If the one you picked does not work out, just sell it and get another version.
Of course reaching out to Paul initially will provide a better starting point, but he is not a magician, at the end you are the player. When I was first trying to decide, I taped a video of one of my practices and sent it to him. He could see whether I fit flat or spinny FH and BH, my foot work and get a better idea than just words. He told me it was very helpful. His initial recommendation (TC97 16x19) was spot on for my game, and as I progressed I changed twice over and ended up with TC90s. Best fit thus far
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
high 5! The TC95 added an extra level of 1 handed backhand wickedness. Mines a lot like Wawrinka's but I play a lot of Guga's patterns. It also did wonders for my low flat forehands that go either crosscourt or dt. The kind that just skim the net... Before Angell they would be approach shots, now they are often outright winners. dang thats fun.Sounds good to me...and i do have a one-handed backhand
agreed... best thing to do is get a sense of what you like... I always suggest that newer players get a head microgel radical... cheap and a world class frame... if you love that a TC97 is a good choce... want more attacking ability try tc95 ... need a bigger headsize and prefer tweeners the Tc100 is a great option as it is a serving beast with more forgiveness. All are arm friendly. Lately all of the manufacturers has gotten away from comfortable frames in favorable of cheaper to manufacture stiff frames except Angell and Pacific. Finding pacifics is like capturing a leprechaun. Angell provides a consistent product and great service. Paul's a great guy and cares, he has justified pride in what he does.Angell racquets are not just for advance players, they are just racquets that the manufacturer allows you to spec out to your preferences. The only thing that may induce reluctance is most recreational players, at any level, hardly know their preferences and don't want to be bothered with weight, balance, RA, etc.
The Angells truly deserve all the praise, and some of the criticisms, they receive on these forums. So, just pick something that you think you may like, and play with it for few weeks. Once you play with a version of the racquet, you start better understanding all of available choices and you will be able to make a more informed decision. If the one you picked does not work out, just sell it and get another version.
Of course reaching out to Paul initially will provide a better starting point, but he is not a magician, at the end you are the player. When I was first trying to decide, I taped a video of one of my practices and sent it to him. He could see whether I fit flat or spinny FH and BH, my foot work and get a better idea than just words. He told me it was very helpful. His initial recommendation (TC97 16x19) was spot on for my game, and as I progressed I changed twice over and ended up with TC90s. Best fit thus far
Glad the TC95 is working out for you I hate to hype it for everone but it really is an interestng stick. TC95 is just very very dynamic... the RA63 one I think is especially so. If make good contact its like all the planets align... usually a couple times a session the people playing in other courts just stop and nod in appreciation. Now it takes a bit of experience and or know how to use that kind of firepower judiciously. The stick has amplitude and Ive got weapons. TC97 is a more even tempered stick, Tc95 s a wild mustang that wont be ridden by just anyone. For most players consistency wins though... most will find the tc97 18x20 a better choice. With the tc95 I hit at say 80% power 90% of the time. Hitting with 95% power is like summoning Thor's hammer! Its not like pure drive power though, you have to unlock it but yeah its there, surprising spin too.
I got a ps85 (taiwan version 3 bucks at goodwill .. strung with gut!!) it is like the tc95... if you line everything up its just wow... not as much power of course and much harder to line up. PS85 is stiffer than my 58ra strung Tc95 too. My arm notices... nothing terrible but yeah a tc95 RA 63 with full poly is kinder to the arm than a Ps85 with gut... could also be that I dont find the sweetspot as easily as on my main TC95 (with the ps85 its all user error). I use the PS85 for some serve practice, goofing off and the wall. In many ways the PS85 reminds me of what I could do with the tc95 in terms of targeting for serves. Both sticks are superlative for my favorite shot... a running stefan Edberg style backhand winner (dtl or crosscourt). I hit a couple every set and mostly have to bait my opponent into setting one up.
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elbuzzard_lives
Rookie
Unlike you, I don't really put away backhands for outright winners very often. But I have found that, with the TC95, my rally balls(either low, hard biting slice or TS rollers to the baseline) are as much menace to my opponent as my 90-100% shots with my previous frame. I use either to induce errors or set up the FH winner. I have so much confidence now with the 95-100% FH power shots that it gets temping to use it more than I need to. I do not hesitate to run around a backhand and go for a 'Fed type' inside out winner. It's so fun and addicting. If my opponent trys to overplay that shot I drop one in the service box and watch him/her stumble in from behind the baseline and then curse me out after he/she shanks it.
Sorry to get so strategic in an equipment forum but the point is that the TC95 was a game changer for me. It allows me to stay on the aggression with less effort/energy needed but all the while my finger is on the trigger...
also, the serve.
who else here is serving better than ever with their Angell?
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
i know exactly what you're talking about it's allowed me to become more patient while at the same time becoming more aggressive... that's a really special combination
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Lord Anomander
Professional
Thanks for your answers, guys. I guess selling an Angell isn't the hardest thing if it shouldn't suit me.
Another question that is slightly OT: which strings to you use in your Angells? I think somebody is using Gut/Poly - am I right under the assumption that you can't really go wrong with Gut/Poly?
Also how does Halo perform? What are you experiences with durability? I'm not a string breaker in any case, I had to switch my setup after 10 months and many hours because the Gut broke while I had the racquets in my bag. I'm not stringing my racquets by myself, so durability besides comfort is my main concern.
Another question that is slightly OT: which strings to you use in your Angells? I think somebody is using Gut/Poly - am I right under the assumption that you can't really go wrong with Gut/Poly?
Also how does Halo perform? What are you experiences with durability? I'm not a string breaker in any case, I had to switch my setup after 10 months and many hours because the Gut broke while I had the racquets in my bag.
I'm not stringing my racquets by myself, so durability besides comfort is my main concern.
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
i use a full bed of Rslyon at 45lbs. it has become a popular string with these rackets, Ill try out Halo 2 it is similar though not as muted as RSLyon... that might be a good thing.Thanks for your answers, guys. I guess selling an Angell isn't the hardest thing if it shouldn't suit me.
Another question that is slightly OT: which strings to you use in your Angells? I think somebody is using Gut/Poly - am I right under the assumption that you can't really go wrong with Gut/Poly?
Also how does Halo perform? What are you experiences with durability? I'm not a string breaker in any case, I had to switch my setup after 10 months and many hours because the Gut broke while I had the racquets in my bag.
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SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
I think the TC 100 or 105 are better for you.
The TC 97 is pretty forgiving for the style of racquet that it is... but I wouldn't recommend it for a intermediate still.
Gut/poly is a safe route for sure!Thanks for your answers, guys. I guess selling an Angell isn't the hardest thing if it shouldn't suit me.
Another question that is slightly OT: which strings to you use in your Angells? I think somebody is using Gut/Poly - am I right under the assumption that you can't really go wrong with Gut/Poly?
Also how does Halo perform? What are you experiences with durability? I'm not a string breaker in any case, I had to switch my setup after 10 months and many hours because the Gut broke while I had the racquets in my bag.
Subaruvich
Semi-Pro
My RA63 was SW305 and RA70 is SW292 unstrung. Not exactly your specs, but SW shouldn't change much, because all the specs are achieved adding and moving weights in the handle.
Subaruvich, thanks. What are the weight and balance of these two frames?
In my experience an unstrung ~285 becomes ~325 once strung with 16g poly, which is around what i like. If their 320/10 model has unstrung sw above 290 then that's unlikely to be for me.
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As far as with my prince racquets (tt95 & tt100p), they are 290 unstrung sw. And when strung, 321/322 (according to tennis warehouse)
So, I suppose, a sw should go up about 30-35 points with strings.
So, a 295 sw should get you a 325-330
I have a tc95 63ra 320g/310mm, and, strung, it has a sw of 340 (measured with the tennis warehouse technique).
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Georgo
New User
To the guys in love with the TC95: what pattern do you use, the 16x19 or the 18x20?
I have the TC97 16x19 (just one, testing it before i order more of them), I am thinking about giving a TC95 a chance.
Edit: Nevermind, I'll go for the 16x19 in the TC95 too.
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tallsandwich
Rookie
@Subaruvich is 13 the normal SW difference between the ra63 and ra70? I love the 63 but wish it was a little easier to swing. May try an ra70...seems like 13 points would be enough to be noticeable.
Subaruvich
Semi-Pro
There is usually 13-15 points SW difference between RA63 and RA70, yes. RA70 will be around SW320 strung, easier to swing for sure.
Actually from my 3 TC95 only one was RA63, the other two are RA64 and RA65 unstrung(I measure all my frames on RDC), which leads to slightly lower SW. You can ask Paul to pick for you the frame with lower SW, if he has one.
Subaruvich
Semi-Pro
The RA63 model will have unstrung SW around 300. And will be around 330-335 strung. If you look for a whippier frame, get RA70. Still very comfortable frame and strung SW is around 320.
Holliman
Rookie
Just received my TC95 16x19 63 RA from the one and only BHBH. The racquet's fit and finish is amazing. Like a fine new Porsche. I can't wait to hit some balls with it tonight. It's strung with a full bed of Volkl V Pro. I'm having some pretty severe elbow issues so I'll be interested in how I'll feel after a few hundred balls tonight. I'm hoping the V Pro will be soft enough but I'll probably end up with a gut/poly hybrid. I'm planning on a Gosen OG and Silverstring combo.