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I like it, I don't need a powerful string or a spin string as I can hit heavy topspin when required, for me the string has average spin and average power. Where RS Lyon excels is tension maintenance, control and durability. I've also had good results with babolat origin in a hybrid with a round poly, think it was revolve. I like origin, but it's pricey.
Holliman
Rookie
I'm really enjoying my first experience with Silverstring full bed in the TC 95. By far the softest Poly I've played with. Very control oriented and maintains tension well. It looks great also. My next test with be either Big Hitter Blue or Cyber Blue. I hear great things about the comfort level. I think the black grommet, blue string bed, and blue grip will look killer together in the TC.
Ive got a few packs of silverstring to try too
RGT
Rookie
Sounds good, using msv focus hex 1.23 now. It's fairly spinny and durable but missing some pocketing. Think I'm gonna give rs lyon a try, maybe with revolve in the crosses to increase the spin a bit
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galapagos
Hall of Fame
Let me know as soon as you compare
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
looks like our collection of rackets and specs are very similar
yeah... and my lil brother still plays with a dunlop revelation 95. I think Angell appeals to those of us who love those old Eurostyle flexy/high swingweight + comfy frames that Dunlop, Head and Fischer used to be known for.
I dont find any spin lacking in the 16x19 but true RSLyon is more about its feel, control and durability. Cyclone is a solid choice for more spin as are some Kirschbaums (I like super smash orange). 55lbs is too high for full poly in my mind but 45lbs takes getting used to... it settles around 39-40lbs. 51 or 50 is popular
Everyone sense flex differently... the tc95 has a very even flex profile (many think flexy= noodle but thats because all the flex is in one area) but I really feel it on big returns and serves... that sensation of dwell time which too stiff a stringbed might counteract. Ball feel is good on these frames.
Try Hyper G? Tourbite is pretty much the standard when it comes to spin production... not the most but up there.
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Well, well.
Just got off the phone with Paul and am putting my order in now. We had a pretty detailed conversation about what specs should work well for me. He was a nice, friendly guy that was happy to help guide me.
So, I'm going all in - I'm getting two TC95's, 18x20, 63 RA, 330g and 12 pts. HL, leather grips, with black grommets but I also ordered two sets of blue grommets. Wait, there's more: I got two racket sacs, and since I have OCD and have to match my bag brand with my rackets, the 9 racket bag.
LOL - oh boy. My wife is going to think I'm off my rocker. Definitely have some rackets to sell.
2 Wilson PS97's (circa mid 2016 paint job)
1 Prince Graphite 100 (not sure what you guys call it on here, but the updated version of the POG)
2 Dunlop Aerogel 4D 200's (18x20)
And the newer Babalot Pure Strike Tour (18x20) with only one hour of hits on it. Literally, I just bought it and tried it once before I blew up my knee in December.
Just got off the phone with Paul and am putting my order in now. We had a pretty detailed conversation about what specs should work well for me. He was a nice, friendly guy that was happy to help guide me.
So, I'm going all in - I'm getting two TC95's, 18x20, 63 RA, 330g and 12 pts. HL, leather grips, with black grommets but I also ordered two sets of blue grommets. Wait, there's more: I got two racket sacs, and since I have OCD and have to match my bag brand with my rackets, the 9 racket bag.
LOL - oh boy. My wife is going to think I'm off my rocker. Definitely have some rackets to sell.
2 Wilson PS97's (circa mid 2016 paint job)
1 Prince Graphite 100 (not sure what you guys call it on here, but the updated version of the POG)
2 Dunlop Aerogel 4D 200's (18x20)
And the newer Babalot Pure Strike Tour (18x20) with only one hour of hits on it. Literally, I just bought it and tried it once before I blew up my knee in December.
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djNEiGht
Legend
Same here...need to off load some racquets. I think/hope that the person testing out my Redondos takes em. Then again I'm always looking for others to try...
Angell TC97 16x18, TC95 both string patterns in 63RA, Dunlop AG 4D 200s, Yonex vCore 310 or 330.
realplayer
Semi-Pro
Yes, I did. He answered me at 11pm (which surprised me) and told me he had to catch a flight, but would answer me in more detail the next day. I told him not to worry/hurry because I thought he shouldn't answer when there are more important things to do, but I thought he would find some time the last week. My question probably isn't easy to answer as I went a little into detail and was hoping for some guidance/tips. I'd rather get a nice answer than a rushed one, so I don't want to annoy him.
It would be nice if communication would be a bit smoother as I sometimes have to wait for weeks or not getting response at all. I think he will lose customers because of this. I'm not in a rush anyway especially because he seems to listen to the complaints of customers by starting to produce rackets with lower swingweights. It will make it easier for him to pick a racket that will make me a happy customer.
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
For me it is just part of the custom experience and I am looking forward to my new frame which I ordered recently. He mentioned there might be a short wait (I suspect he's getting his stock together for the oncoming spring sales rush) so I understand. Im getting a custom frame for a pittance of what it would cost P1 to set up a prostock for me. I definitely dont want the lowest swingweight either. My point is he's a small shop and when he has to take care of something intensive... like overseeing production I dont expect constant contact.
I like the quality to price ratio and as long as he delivers that plus the unexpected level of personal consultation I think his priorities are right. Perhaps a system where there can be a sense of in touch in the process could be set up but Im used to custom work and small businesses (the two very much go hand in hand). Its hard to be in 3 places at once but all small businesses end up having to do it. All that said my service from Paul has been exemplary. I plan to buy a frame ever year to year and a half.
Yeah, I can only imagine how busy he'd be with emails galore. We talked about strings for a minute and he says he gets email from people, literally asking him how a particular string would work in one of his rackets. I hope he doesn't even bother answering those silly questions until he's helped all the people that want frames.
dnlcarvalho
Rookie
Your plans on buying a frame every year to year and a half are due to frame degradation by stringing and playing time?
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Lord Anomander
Professional
I can understand that he sometimes forgets to answer you or is too busy to do so. I expect it's a small company and isn't it great to hear from the owner himself and not just a standard reply? He did answer me today and I just ordered a TC100 RA63, 310g, 315mm (black grommet and grip)
He told me it will take 3-4 weeks until they receive the next delivery and he will pick one for me with a slightly lower swingweight. Actually, I love waiting for something I've wanted to buy for a long time. It just makes one looking forward to finally holding this racquet in your hand. Now that I'm going to have the right gear soon, I just need to improve my game
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Holliman
Rookie
I just received an email from Paul directly regarding an order I placed last week for some replacement grips and grommets. He let me know the delay was due to running low on Blue grommets. I said just drop the grommets and send a couple more grips. A little later he replied that the order went out today and he included the grommets and two free grips. It's not a huge amount of savings but it's the thought that counts. I'm 100% sold that Paul believes in quality customer service. My next Angell stick will be a direct order from Paul along with a bag. I want to support that kind of a company.
Hi
I have a TC97 Pro on its way. This is the lighter version of the two stock racquets.
I know I will need to weight up the tail to get the balance to my liking but it will be a gradual process.
My question for you customization experts is:
- where should I add the weight if my goals are:
- minimize the effect on SW AND
- maximize the impact on balance (moving it more HL)
- doing so while adding the least amount of static weight
Logic tells me to get as much as close to the butt cap as possible but all this talk about weighting at 7" from the butt cap has me intrigued. In the past I have just added leather grips and messed with a little blu tack in the handle.
Guidance appreciated. Thanks.
I have a TC97 Pro on its way. This is the lighter version of the two stock racquets.
I know I will need to weight up the tail to get the balance to my liking but it will be a gradual process.
My question for you customization experts is:
- where should I add the weight if my goals are:
- minimize the effect on SW AND
- maximize the impact on balance (moving it more HL)
- doing so while adding the least amount of static weight
Logic tells me to get as much as close to the butt cap as possible but all this talk about weighting at 7" from the butt cap has me intrigued. In the past I have just added leather grips and messed with a little blu tack in the handle.
Guidance appreciated. Thanks.
Shangri La
Hall of Fame
It's good to know that Paul @Racketdesign takes care of his customers personally, but I'm not sure if that's the best use of his time. Paul can have ANYBODY take care of orders/answering basic spec/customization questions, while as a racquet design legend, his valuable time is best spent on tweaking racquets/working with pros/distribution channels/etc, things that nobody else is competent. I'm not suggesting he's not doing these, but you would probably not want a rocket scientist to answer customer calls on a regular basis. It is a waste of his time and something that the shareholders would not want to see. Of course as successful as Paul has made Angell, I'm sure he knows the business inside out. Just some quick thoughts as an outsider who wishes Angell continues to thrive.
If those are your only goals, then yes, adding weight at the buttcap is the way to do it.
I thought that's what I wanted to do with my racquets too but found it played much better with some weight around the 7" mark. So if you do that, you'll still be tailweighting but not quite the minimum/maximum req you listed.
Does anybody tailweight with just weight at 7"? Have not tried that yet.
I thought that's what I wanted to do with my racquets too but found it played much better with some weight around the 7" mark. So if you do that, you'll still be tailweighting but not quite the minimum/maximum req you listed.
Does anybody tailweight with just weight at 7"? Have not tried that yet.
saleem
Semi-Pro
depending on your goal of static weight add 10 grams of lead tape at 7" and rest in blue tack putty inside the trap door in the buttcap, these changes are not permanent you can always change it around go 60/40 7"/buttcap play with it and change it other way around if you do not like it.
Thanks.
Would like to keep total static weight to 330G or less if possible.
Was told that the SW of shipped racquet unstrung is 295 (this would include handle and grip). Documented weight for this model is 290G (I don't know whether that includes handle and grip or not)
Planning on stringing with a hybrid multi/thin poly so maybe 25-30 SW pts and 17 G weight. 1 G for dampener
Hoping I can keep SW to 325 if possible
Would like to keep total static weight to 330G or less if possible.
Was told that the SW of shipped racquet unstrung is 295 (this would include handle and grip). Documented weight for this model is 290G (I don't know whether that includes handle and grip or not)
Planning on stringing with a hybrid multi/thin poly so maybe 25-30 SW pts and 17 G weight. 1 G for dampener
Hoping I can keep SW to 325 if possible
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
Nah just financial... Im a professional writer (its feast or famine and Its a bad idea to go crazy on frames during feast time)!!! I just cant swing buying 2-3 frames at once, its a big outlay for me. I dont think the frames degrade that fast since I only play 2-3 times a week during the outdoor season and once a week during the winter.
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
Fixed it for you.As promised
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1st Seed
Professional
Thanks spin√√
Wow what a stunning frame .Just came in today beautiful paint.weighed bang on
I strung up the 90 with Head reflex mains and ISO speed classic crosses.Friday is our first date.give a mini review once I'm home.
Head shape is Identical to my pk Redondo
Had to rip off the original grip .to cheap and thin for my liking.
Put on my usual\Baboalt Air sphere comfort RG and a Wilson pro overgrip on that.Final weight with strings is357gr.Just bouncing balls you can feel it means business.SOLID
Wow what a stunning frame .Just came in today beautiful paint.weighed bang on
I strung up the 90 with Head reflex mains and ISO speed classic crosses.Friday is our first date.give a mini review once I'm home.
Head shape is Identical to my pk Redondo
Had to rip off the original grip .to cheap and thin for my liking.
Put on my usual\Baboalt Air sphere comfort RG and a Wilson pro overgrip on that.Final weight with strings is357gr.Just bouncing balls you can feel it means business.SOLID
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saleem
Semi-Pro
what is the balance on this order? adding strings would add 14-16 grams weight (around 12-15 sw and 1.5-2.0 head weight) adding overgrip adds 5-6 grams at 4.5" location 2 grams for dampner if you use one that is 312-315 gram static weight, add 10 grams to tail and 5 grams at 7" and that should do the trick.
Thanks for the response. From the Angell website:
TC97 Pro (not a customized frame but off the shelf)
Unstrung Specifications
Weight -290g / 10.2oz
Balance – 335mm / 2 pts HL
Stiffness – 63RA
Length – 27” / 685.8mm
Grip shape – B
Grip type – High Tack PU Grey
Retailer measured some frames and sent me one with assessed SW of 295 unstrung.
saleem
Semi-Pro
if those are the specs, my info from last post will make the racket 31.99 cm balance (8 points HL) if you need more head take 3 grams from 7" and move to tail area that would be close to 9 points HL
Awesome thanks alot. Hopefully will have the frame next week and will give it a go with your suggestions.
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
Just got my New Angell TC95... I can report only 2 weeks from the time of order to having it in my hands. That's awfully good for a custom frame. Granted, I already knew exactly what I wanted so there wasnt a ton of back n forth but that's fine, Paul is like a tailor doing made to measure clothes... I like to support people who are that busy and efficient. True, I already knew my measurements, which can be daunting for first timers but the knowledge base here plus Paul as a pedigreed racquet legend can really help. Gorgeous frame btw, I like the new PJ better than the old all grey one (which was very nice as well). can we call this group the Angellphiles?Yes, I did. He answered me at 11pm (which surprised me) and told me he had to catch a flight, but would answer me in more detail the next day. I told him not to worry/hurry because I thought he shouldn't answer when there are more important things to do, but I thought he would find some time the last week. My question probably isn't easy to answer as I went a little into detail and was hoping for some guidance/tips. I'd rather get a nice answer than a rushed one, so I don't want to annoy him.
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CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
Got my TC95 18x20 today and hit with it for a few hours. First impressions are that it's like swinging Thor's hammer. When you have time to line up a shot it produces a fast heavy shot. It was also really good/accurate on slice and super stable on serve return. The extra length was a little noticeable due to the smaller head size but the extra real estate on the handle for a 2hbh was very nice.
Mine was 320g unstung and with a leather grip, overgrip and dampener it was 343 grams with a balance point of 32.7CM so about 7 points head light. Paired with the longer 27.5" weight I'm scared to calculate the swing weight but let's say it was pretty heavy and there was no saving shots if you were late. I think I may order one but start it at 300g unstrung instead of 320g.
Mine was 320g unstung and with a leather grip, overgrip and dampener it was 343 grams with a balance point of 32.7CM so about 7 points head light. Paired with the longer 27.5" weight I'm scared to calculate the swing weight but let's say it was pretty heavy and there was no saving shots if you were late. I think I may order one but start it at 300g unstrung instead of 320g.
sofahead1108
New User
What are some of the string setups you 85 18x20 users are using? My first setup was rpm blast in the mains and a multi filament in the crosses. The rpm notched into the multi bad and produced little spin. Anyone got any advice for me?
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
Full bed Rslyon or silverstring, just drop tension a bit... or try gosen micro sheep as a cross... or perhaps full bed hyper g?
the 95 is an inherently spin friendly stick even as an 18x20 ...but string sensitive
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zalive
Hall of Fame
You can try this, but once you reach the point where you have gotten a racquet's speed through swing that's just right for you, but feel you can use a more head light racquet, it's betterto add the rest of the mass at the butt. This is what I do, I distribute lead/mass between 7'' and the butt, starting with 7'' lead. In combination with a light basic grip it's really great, you get the whippiest result.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Hi all, logged in and saw some older posts asking me questions. I just keep playing with the Angells and PT280. I have not really had a need to look at other frames.For me, it is RS Lyon in an Angell or 280 and I'm good. Simple stuff Enjoy them!
Enjoy them!
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
I forget, do you use the Tc100 sometimes? some people had questions about those as a big serving more comfortable 100sq inch option.Hi all, logged in and saw some older posts asking me questions. I just keep playing with the Angells and PT280. I have not really had a need to look at other frames.For me, it is RS Lyon in an Angell or 280 and I'm good. Simple stuff
Gee
Hall of Fame
I still prefer the feel of my TC95 18x20 63RA. Today I tried my TC97 again (even without dampener). However the T97 just doesn't have the X factor to me.Hi all, logged in and saw some older posts asking me questions. I just keep playing with the Angells and PT280. I have not really had a need to look at other frames.For me, it is RS Lyon in an Angell or 280 and I'm good. Simple stuff
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AMGF
Hall of Fame
Thanks for the update. That's the frame wanted to order but was afraid of the SW. The 63Ra has a high SW already and the extra weight from the 18x20 combined with the extra ,5in is sure to be a beast. You can try thinner gauge strings to help lower the weight of the strings and help lower the SW a bit more.
A lower weight frame won't help much as the weight is in the handle and will have only a small effect on the SW. You can try removing the weight in the handle yourself and see if you like it before ordering a new one.
1st Seed
Professional
are you in Toronto?
AMGF
RGT
Rookie
Do you know how much impact a thinner gauge would have on sw? For example between 1.25 and 1.20 or any any gauge difference, by how many points would the sw decrease?
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AMGF
Hall of Fame
No, Quebec city.
AMGF
Hall of Fame
I don't know on top of my head, but I did measure when I went from 16g Solinco Revolution to 18g Cyclone and lost around 5sw if I remember correctly (I'd need to dig in my papers somewhere to know precisely). Plus the 18x20 being quite dense, the thinner gauge allows good spin while not being overly fragile. Best of both world as I have the control of a 18x20 with the advantage of being able to play thinner poly.
*Edit: I did find my calculations, with 16g I had a SW of 364. I then tried a 20g and got 347 (but broke the strings in about 20min) and now play with 18g and have 355sw and strings last 10hours. All strings were full bed poly.
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AMGF
Hall of Fame
Nice, this does seem to fit my actual calculations.
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
Update: cut out the Angell Halo strings and restrung with RPM Blast Rough 16G and it's now 349 grams and about 5.5 points head light. I didn't get a chance to measure the swingweight yet but I'm guessing its' going to be hefty. It has a leather grip on it so I may switch to a thinner synthetic grip and try and get it back down to 340 grams.
Hi Guys,
I have playing with the Angel sticks for nearly a year. I initially bought a 95 18X20 and then this past fall purchased a
97 18X20 and again a second one in December. I enjoyed playing with the 97, enjoyed its control,flex and spin capability even with the closed pattern. Then for the hell of it restrung my 95 330/310 63 RA
with gut mains and Halo crosses. there is clearly a difference with the 95. The control, feel and power is a bit more than the 97. Yet I am playing my best tennis in months with the 95. It really has a huge sweet spot for a 95 and you can really get a lot of action and speed on the serve with the 95.Both the 95 and 97 generates some nice slice but I give a little more to the 95.Lastly, I am seem to generate more spin with the 95 as well. I just thought that I would put it out there in the event someone is debating between the two. I also prefer the flex of the 95. The 95 has a very familiar action as I think it is reminiscent of the old flexy Prestiges that I played with for years. They were really a 95, despite marketing them as a 98.
It appears I will sell one of my 97's and pick up another 95.
I have playing with the Angel sticks for nearly a year. I initially bought a 95 18X20 and then this past fall purchased a
97 18X20 and again a second one in December. I enjoyed playing with the 97, enjoyed its control,flex and spin capability even with the closed pattern. Then for the hell of it restrung my 95 330/310 63 RA
with gut mains and Halo crosses. there is clearly a difference with the 95. The control, feel and power is a bit more than the 97. Yet I am playing my best tennis in months with the 95. It really has a huge sweet spot for a 95 and you can really get a lot of action and speed on the serve with the 95.Both the 95 and 97 generates some nice slice but I give a little more to the 95.Lastly, I am seem to generate more spin with the 95 as well. I just thought that I would put it out there in the event someone is debating between the two. I also prefer the flex of the 95. The 95 has a very familiar action as I think it is reminiscent of the old flexy Prestiges that I played with for years. They were really a 95, despite marketing them as a 98.
It appears I will sell one of my 97's and pick up another 95.
SinjinCooper
Hall of Fame
J
joohan
Guest
That's why I'm hanging on two mine, although they're currently in a fourth place in my regular use order. Ridiculously good all-round tennis racquet.
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
Hit for a bit with the RPM blast Rough and it's just too much racquet for me. I'm used to play with about low to mid 11 ounce strung racquets so this TC95 will be a catch and release. It's out in the classifieds if anyone is interested.