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rossignol

Rookie
Some guys here asked the range of SW and actual flex. Here are the specs of the frames I own(owned) unstrung/strung:
TC97 18x20 RA66/63 SW301/330
TC97 18x20 RA64/62 SW301/331
TC97 18x20 RA66/62 SW299/333
TC97 16x19 RA66/62 SW296/326
TC95 RA63 16x19 RA65/62 SW301/328
TC95 RA63 16x19 RA63/61 SW301/331
TC95 RA63 18x20 RA64/62 sw305/335
TC95 RA70 16x19 RA68/66 SW292/320
TC90 RA70/66 SW290/320

The strung SW and RA is measured with overgrip and dampener. Some frames have leather grip, some PU.
Hope it helps.
So much about 58RA strung.
 

AMGF

Hall of Fame
Can you get Angell shipped to Canada? Does anyone know the lead time to have a racket delivered to Canada...or the US?
I don't know if you got your answer as I'm catching up on the thread. But yes, Angell ships to Canada. Once the racquet is built it takes about 3-4 days max before it gets here.
 

DJ-

Hall of Fame
Finally at around 29hrs my Vs touch / Max Power is just about done in my tc97 18x20. It is now starting to lose that great playability, but still playable.. (after 5hours in it really started to feel great)
To be fair I also had 2 mildly wet sessions in the last few hours which tested the BT7 formula :) Time for some Rslyon, UC, Sonic Revolution, sonic pro edge, or head hawk touch... I'll see how brave I am to string one of those sharp ones with the Angell grommets.
 

ed70

Professional
Except that not all people experience that the tc95 has a softer feel. Some even think that the tc97 is more flexible and comfortable. I completely disagree but it just confirms that you really have to find out for yourself.
Yes I found my 16x19 tc 97 to play with more flex than the 63ra 16x19 tc95. Maybe it's down to the boxier beam at the throat and the flex in the head. With the 95 I only really felt the flex when returning a heavy ball or volleying back a strong ground stroke.The 95 gave me a few extra mph on my serve, I put this down to extra swingweight, which unfortunately was detrimental to the rest of my game. I didn't notice any difference in the head size or sweet spot. I felt you need to string lower with the 95 over the 97. The 97 16x19 is a great all-round frame
 

gvsbdisco

Semi-Pro
For those of you using Silverstring in the TC97 16x19 how low in tension have you successfully gone? If I go full poly I usually string in the mid-30s but I don't have experience doing so with Silverstring before. Thx.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Finally at around 29hrs my Vs touch / Max Power is just about done in my tc97 18x20. It is now starting to lose that great playability, but still playable.. (after 5hours in it really started to feel great)
To be fair I also had 2 mildly wet sessions in the last few hours which tested the BT7 formula :) Time for some Rslyon, UC, Sonic Revolution, sonic pro edge, or head hawk touch... I'll see how brave I am to string one of those sharp ones with the Angell grommets.
29 hrs? That's exceptional. I'm going to put VS/RPM in my 18x20 97 in three weeks time. Can't wait. I need to sort out a frame for my summer. I'm going to spend two months solid in London with no access to stringing (pick up options available at a cost...) and since I'd like to bring just one frame, I need to be extra careful which one and what string. 29hrs (potentially more) would solve my dilemma.
 

DJ-

Hall of Fame
29 hrs? That's exceptional. I'm going to put VS/RPM in my 18x20 97 in three weeks time. Can't wait. I need to sort out a frame for my summer. I'm going to spend two months solid in London with no access to stringing (pick up options available at a cost...) and since I'd like to bring just one frame, I need to be extra careful which one and what string. 29hrs (potentially more) would solve my dilemma.
I have always had good results in a nat gut hybrid, mind you that was about even 50/50 doubles and singles on various surfaces. I always research for a good poly as the gut lasts for me! I am not a string breaker. Vs/rpm should be very inetersting, I hope you get plenty of hours! My max power was 16guage
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I have always had good results in a nat gut hybrid, mind you that was about even 50/50 doubles and singles on various surfaces. I always research for a good poly as the gut lasts for me! I am not a string breaker. Vs/rpm should be very inetersting, I hope you get plenty of hours! My max power was 16guage
I'm not a string breaker either and most of the time it's just me doing drills and serves. For 1 hour of singles it's 3-4 hours of practice. Should be more than ok.
 

DJ-

Hall of Fame
I'm not a string breaker either and most of the time it's just me doing drills and serves. For 1 hour of singles it's 3-4 hours of practice. Should be more than ok.
You will be fine, I have never used rpm in a hybrid, but a few folks on these boards have with good results.
 

saleem

Semi-Pro
For those of you using Silverstring in the TC97 16x19 how low in tension have you successfully gone? If I go full poly I usually string in the mid-30s but I don't have experience doing so with Silverstring before. Thx.
I have been stringing mine at 42lbs with silverstring.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
You will be fine, I have never used rpm in a hybrid, but a few folks on these boards have with good results.
Since I've two same spec 97, I might try nat gut/ RS Lyon hybrid in the other one (have some RS Lyon sets) to compare. All good prospects, I'd say.
 
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saleem

Semi-Pro
thanks. Is that higher or lower than other polys you might use and what might those polys be, if any. Thanks again.
my usual range is 44 lbs, I have done one of my TC95 with 36lbs last week, it has Polyfibre TCS 16, plays well but I find strings have too much vibrations at that tension.
 

Nick B.

New User
I've been loving Kevlar/ZX - may not be for everyone, but I've been hitting with the Forten Thin Blend kevlar mains with Ashaway Monogut ZX crosses at 40lb/45lb for a few weeks (3-4 matches/sessions a week - so probably 18 hours) and it still feels great - no real change or loss of life - still very controlled and crisp but not hard on the arm at all (for me). I could probably get another 3 weeks out of it easily. I am going to put Ashaway Crossfire in next to see how that does. Feels good in my other racquet.
 

beltsman

Legend
my usual range is 44 lbs, I have done one of my TC95 with 36lbs last week, it has Polyfibre TCS 16, plays well but I find strings have too much vibrations at that tension.
Would you recommend the same for hyper g on the 95? I was thinking 48. But I really hate a spongy string bed.
 
Yes I found my 16x19 tc 97 to play with more flex than the 63ra 16x19 tc95. Maybe it's down to the boxier beam at the throat and the flex in the head. With the 95 I only really felt the flex when returning a heavy ball or volleying back a strong ground stroke.The 95 gave me a few extra mph on my serve, I put this down to extra swingweight, which unfortunately was detrimental to the rest of my game. I didn't notice any difference in the head size or sweet spot. I felt you need to string lower with the 95 over the 97. The 97 16x19 is a great all-round frame
Its because we all experience "flex" differently... I judge it mostly on service returns because I take big cuts at the ball and its typically the fastest and heaviest balls I encounter. That's probably why I prefer frames that have very even flex across its length. Tc95 and 100 both are very tempered in that respect.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
Its because we all experience "flex" differently... I judge it mostly on service returns because I take big cuts at the ball and its typically the fastest and heaviest balls I encounter. That's probably why I prefer frames that have very even flex across its length. Tc95 and 100 both are very tempered in that respect.
Here is explained what flex is and how it does impact your game:


In short: More flex = more control and More stiffness = more power.
 
Here is explained what flex is and how it does impact your game:


In short: More flex = more control and More stiffness = more power.
yes but there are different kinds of flex... is it concentrated in the hoop etc. all of those things effect perception of flex and we all experience it differently. Because I take big cuts at the ball on returns it colors my perception of a racquets flex... while others might key in on volleys etc. What I like about the Tc95 and 100 is the way it has such low head deformation. Head deformation can decrease control, even though its a kind of flex.

Overall, that video is a bit too general (ofc that was the point) but her on TW boards we get deeper into things. For example my buddy really loves his TC100 Ra63 because it is a 100 but still has a lot of flex and thinnish beam. Not many frames like that out there at the moment.
 
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Gee

Hall of Fame
yes but there are different kinds of flex... is it concentrated in the hoop etc. all of those things effect perception of flex and we all experience it differently. Because I take big cuts at the ball on returns it colors my perception of a racquets flex... while others might key in on volleys etc. What I like about the Tc95 and 100 is the way it has such low head deformation. Head deformation can decrease control, even though its a kind of flex.

Overall, that video is a bit too general (ofc that was the point) but her on TW boards we get deeper into things. For example my buddy really loves his TC100 Ra63 because it is a 100 but still has a lot of flex and thinnish beam. Not many frames like that out there at the moment.
How can low head deformation (stiffer head) decrease control?
 
How can low head deformation (stiffer head) decrease control?
easy, less change in head geometry during impact = predictability (for some) ... I believe it is one factor in why mids feel more precise than an oversize (just one factor ofc)

I got on this kick a long time ago with the max 200g... a super flexible frame but allegedly it retained its head shape differently because of its construction... it may have contributed to its surprising power despite its tiny 84inch head.

We would need a lab ofc to really isolate this stuff... wouldnt be easy
 
So it should increase control, isn't?
yes... partially... less deformation also means it returns energy to the ball more efficiently therefore there is power there too. It might explain the power of the TC95 despite its flex

lots of factors at play though... very difficult to isolate (in a playtest it all comes together though)

Also...the lower deformation can play a role in spin generation too as it isnt bleeding off energy from the stringbed... letting strings snap back + brush up etc. That might partially help explain the TC95's impressive spin. There is a lot too it... hence the reason a guy like paul can design frames like this. A huge # of subtle tradeoffs
 
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Gee

Hall of Fame
yes... partially... less deformation also means it returns energy to the ball more efficiently therefore there is power there too. It might explain the power of the TC95 despite its flex

lots of factors at play though... very difficult to isolate (in a playtest it all comes together though)
Yes, very tough material as racket science is a whole study at TW. I rather just play tennis and enjoy what racket (TC95 63RA) feels right to me. Tennis is difficult enough! ;-)
 
Yes, very tough material as racket science is a whole study at TW. I rather just play tennis and enjoy what racket (TC95 63RA) feels right to me. Tennis is difficult enough! ;-)
I think its less a science than applied engineering.... lots of subtle tradeoffs and partly that's why I appreciate Paul. He has an ethos. Babolat has one too... Wilson has ridden on the back of a few legendary frames developed with players but they are losing their personality... like Head already has.

Basically, I like frame companies that have an identity driven by players... Angell is significantly different from all the other frame companies, which seem to be trying to be Babolat (which was built on close work with players too).
 
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you can try 46, silverstring is smooth poly with crisp feel 42 is nice tension for it
I found silverstring to have a bit too much power and too soft at lower tensions... if you dont want that (I do have very long strokes on the backhand side) perhaps consider Yonex Poly Tour Pro or RSLyon which are stiffer and I found more predictable in the low 40's upper 30's tension range. That said if you have flatter strokes silverstring is still a very solid choice.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
No offence, but the above videos are gross oversimplifications and quite frankly not true.
I think you're right. Indeed all these different explanations makes me very confusing :confused:
I just want to play good tennis! :(
 
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tribesmen

Professional
I think you're right. Indeed all these different explanations makes me very confusing :confused:
I just want to play good tennis! :(
Just don't worry over specs too much, buy a racquet around 310-330 gr, 6 - 9 HL balance, stifness 63 - 68 and play and you devote your time to improve your technique. You can beat (almost) everyone with correct technique no matter what stick you have in hand ;)
 

tennis1111

Semi-Pro
Just don't worry over specs too much, buy a racquet around 310-330 gr, 6 - 9 HL balance, stifness 63 - 68 and play and you devote your time to improve your technique. You can beat (almost) everyone with correct technique no matter what stick you have in hand ;)
You are in the wrong forum, my friend. In this forum we always blame the racket if we play badly :)
 
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scf

Semi-Pro
Red grommets with new Angell PJ. One of my favourite cosmetics of all time.
When my racquet have been about to ship the red grommets were out of stock so I've got black. But Paul has sent the reds later so I'll replace them on next restringing :)
 

TT19

New User
Yes,Dr98 is Hyper G
1# TC95 RS Lyon 1.20
2# TC95 Silver String 1.20

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