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topspn

Legend
Finally, a chance to play singles with my TC100 63RA strung with Halo 2 and playing pretty nicely for 1.5hrs then thwak, it breaks :( 2 hrs doubles and 1.5 hrs singles is what I got out of it. I really enjoyed the playability up to that point.
 
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4-string

Professional
Finally, a chance to play singles with my TC100 63RA and playing pretty nicely for 1.5hrs then thwak, it breaks :( 2 hrs doubles and 1.5 hrs singles is what I got out of it. I really enjoyed the playability up to that point.
It as in racket? Hope it was just the string.
 

alexmcnab

Rookie
Anyone tried a cyclone/volkl power fibre 2 hybrid ?
I usually string cyclone @ 50lbs full bed, but expecting the power fibre 2 to arrive soon, so thinking maybe 50 for mains, 53 crosses? Thoughts?
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
From a local Angell dealer I finally had the opportunity to demo the TC95 63RA 16x19, TC97 16x19 and TC100 63RA.

Especially I was interested in the TC95 and TC100 because I prefer the softer 63RA flex.

However the specs of these frames are very different (in weight, balance and strings) that it made very difficult to compare them with my TC95 18x20 (63RA - 330 grams - 12pts HL) . Only I had The TC100 strung with my own Silverstring 1.20mm.

So I had to estimate by my own sense how they would play with my specs preferred.

The TC95 16x19 has a little easier access to spin and a livier response than my TC95 18x20.
The TC97 16x19 felt a little stiffer with lesser vibration/feel than the TC95 16x19. Both frames are great frames but they didn't impress me more than my TC95 18x20.
However the TC100 did! Wow, what a nice touch and how easy to serve with! I am still afterglowing!

Compared to my TC95 18x20 I think I will gain with the TC100 in forgiveness, more power with serves and more biting kick and slice serves
I'll lose a little directional control and consistent feel of the denser 18x20 stringbed.

Still hesitating to order two new TC100s. Some of my doubts are:
Will I miss the directional control of a denser stringbed?
Is the TC100 a right frame for my (allcourt) game (mainly on artifically grass)? I think it will.

I know finally you'll win some and you'll lose some with changes. ;-)
 

ed70

Professional
Hi


I am on the fence about switching to the Angell cos of below reasons

1. No demo, so have no clue if my level if good enough for it

2. If I don’t like it, what's it’s salability given the specs I would choose (either the 97 tour 16x19 or custom 97 16x19, 11.7oz, 12 pt HL)


I currently play with the Bab Pure Control Tour. Have put lead, so guess the static weight is around the 12oz mark or a bit above. Use multi (RIP control) due to TE.


I hit with a friend’s Wilson Pro Staff RF97 strung with Solinco Hyper G strung at 55lbs. After 1 set, no elbow pain at all. So that was very surprising given the higher stiffness of the racket and use of polys. My serve and ground strokes improved too.


So now I am thinking should it go with the PS RF97 or Angell 97? What aspects should I consider before buying either?

Had some time with the PCT, I Really liked the frame but found it a little under powered on serve and defense I tried some lead at 12 but still couldn't quite get what I wanted, the TC97 is similar to the PCT But has more put away power, serves faster and is better in defense. It has a similar feel on volleys nice touch.
Cant really comment on the RF97, completely different frame I hit with one for 15 minutes, it reminded me how much I liked my TC97!
 

topspn

Legend
From a local Angell dealer I finally had the opportunity to demo the TC95 63RA 16x19, TC97 16x19 and TC100 63RA.

Especially I was interested in the TC95 and TC100 because I prefer the softer 63RA flex.

However the specs of these frames are very different (in weight, balance and strings) that it made very difficult to compare them with my TC95 18x20 (63RA - 330 grams - 12pts HL) . Only I had The TC100 strung with my own Silverstring 1.20mm.

So I had to estimate by my own sense how they would play with my specs preferred.

The TC95 16x19 has a little easier access to spin and a livier response than my TC95 18x20.
The TC97 16x19 felt a little stiffer with lesser vibration/feel than the TC95 16x19. Both frames are great frames but they didn't impress me more than my TC95 18x20.
However the TC100 did! Wow, what a nice touch and how easy to serve with! I am still afterglowing!

Compared to my TC95 18x20 I think I will gain with the TC100 in forgiveness, more power with serves and more biting kick and slice serves
I'll lose a little directional control and consistent feel of the denser 18x20 stringbed.

Still hesitating to order two new TC100s. Some of my doubts are:
Will I miss the directional control of a denser stringbed?
Is the TC100 a right frame for my (allcourt) game (mainly on artifically grass)? I think it will.

I know finally you'll win some and you'll lose some with changes. ;-)
I think it fits an all court game very nicely. Besides, the monstrous serves and the ease of generating variety in serving, it is a great volley stick. You can volley from anywhere on the court with excellent feel and sense of where the ball is going. Power is kinda absurd so needs a low powered string with good feedback to compliment this stick.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
Thanks for your response. That takes a little of my doubts away. I just decided to go for it and order 2 new TC100s!
I also strung the TC100 at a bit higher tension (24/23 kg) with WC SS 1.20mm.
 

topspn

Legend
Thanks for your response. That takes a little of my doubts away. I just decided to go for it and order 2 new TC100s!
I also strung the TC100 at a bit higher tension (24/23 kg) with WC SS 1.20mm.
Yeah, I have become so convinced of the TC100 63RA that I am seriously thinking of selling off my TC95s and stop the switching between them. The additional forgiveness is very nice and I don’t feel I am giving away a lot of precision. The TC100 is like a more amped TC95 with forgiveness.
 
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joohan

Hall of Fame
From a local Angell dealer I finally had the opportunity to demo the TC95 63RA 16x19, TC97 16x19 and TC100 63RA.

Especially I was interested in the TC95 and TC100 because I prefer the softer 63RA flex.

However the specs of these frames are very different (in weight, balance and strings) that it made very difficult to compare them with my TC95 18x20 (63RA - 330 grams - 12pts HL) . Only I had The TC100 strung with my own Silverstring 1.20mm.

So I had to estimate by my own sense how they would play with my specs preferred.

The TC95 16x19 has a little easier access to spin and a livier response than my TC95 18x20.
The TC97 16x19 felt a little stiffer with lesser vibration/feel than the TC95 16x19. Both frames are great frames but they didn't impress me more than my TC95 18x20.
However the TC100 did! Wow, what a nice touch and how easy to serve with! I am still afterglowing!

Compared to my TC95 18x20 I think I will gain with the TC100 in forgiveness, more power with serves and more biting kick and slice serves
I'll lose a little directional control and consistent feel of the denser 18x20 stringbed.

Still hesitating to order two new TC100s. Some of my doubts are:
Will I miss the directional control of a denser stringbed?
Is the TC100 a right frame for my (allcourt) game (mainly on artifically grass)? I think it will.

I know finally you'll win some and you'll lose some with changes. ;-)
Depends on how often do you rely on maximum precision or what grips you mostly use. Me, I'm slowly realizing that it's more about me learning to harness the power and spin of the TC100 rather than needing maximum precision and low powered response of my other frames. To some extent and from certain level, lower powered frames can actually mask the flaws you might have in your technique because no matter how hard (and incorrect) you hit the ball, it tends to land in anyway.

If the difference is night and day, not even worth discussing but TC95 and 100, both in 63RA, are very close in feel and even performance. For me, TC100 is an all rounders dream. Easy to trade heavy top from the baseline, slice is almost as good as with my 18x20 TC97 (and that one is 11/10), volleys are a breeze and touch shots are sublime. Pair it with thicker, lower powered string (in my case) and you shouldn't need any another racquet anymore. You know, performance wise .)

Edit: even flattening out the shots works very well with the 100
 
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Gee

Hall of Fame
Depends on how often do you rely on maximum precision or what grips you mostly use. Me, I'm slowly realizing that it's more about me learning to harness the power and spin of the TC100 rather than needing maximum precision and low powered response of my other frames. To some extent and from certain level, lower powered frames can actually mask the flaws you might have in your technique because no matter how hard (and not perfectly correct) you hit the ball, it tends to land in anyway.

If the difference is night and day, not even worth discussing but TC95 and 100, both in 63RA, are very close in feel and even performance. For me, TC100 is an all rounders dream. Easy to trade heavy top from the baseline, slice is almost as good as with my 18x20 TC97 (and that one is 11/10), volleys are a breeze and touch shots are sublime. Pair it with thicker, lower powered string (in my case) and you shouldn't need any another racquet anymore. You know, performance wise .)

Edit: even flattening out the shots works very well with the 100
Thanks for your nice words on TC100. I just ordered 2 (with the same specs as I did with my TC97) with green grommets! :)
 

alexdoro

New User
Depends on how often do you rely on maximum precision or what grips you mostly use. Me, I'm slowly realizing that it's more about me learning to harness the power and spin of the TC100 rather than needing maximum precision and low powered response of my other frames. To some extent and from certain level, lower powered frames can actually mask the flaws you might have in your technique because no matter how hard (and not perfectly correct) you hit the ball, it tends to land in anyway.

If the difference is night and day, not even worth discussing but TC95 and 100, both in 63RA, are very close in feel and even performance. For me, TC100 is an all rounders dream. Easy to trade heavy top from the baseline, slice is almost as good as with my 18x20 TC97 (and that one is 11/10), volleys are a breeze and touch shots are sublime. Pair it with thicker, lower powered string (in my case) and you shouldn't need any another racquet anymore. You know, performance wise .)

Edit: even flattening out the shots works very well with the 100
What are your TC100 unstrung specs?
 
Had some time with the PCT, I Really liked the frame but found it a little under powered on serve and defense I tried some lead at 12 but still couldn't quite get what I wanted, the TC97 is similar to the PCT But has more put away power, serves faster and is better in defense. It has a similar feel on volleys nice touch.
Cant really comment on the RF97, completely different frame I hit with one for 15 minutes, it reminded me how much I liked my TC97!
Hi Ed

I have the same experience with the PCT. Good control but low powered on serves. I have lead (around 2 inches) at 3,6, 9 and 12. I think with all the lead, it's close to 12oz. I though the serve speed is me. But I get much more speed serving with the PS RF and the Yonnex DR.

I was thinking of going with the 11.4oz 12 point HL TC97. That ways I can add a bit of lead on the head and still keep it around 12oz and 9 points HL. If I go with the 11.7OZ and 12 points HL, I think the head may not have enough bulk for volleys and serves. Maybe I am completely wrong on this.

Due to TE, I prefer to stick with the RIP control. Any idea on performance of a TC with a multi?

Thanks
 

RGT

Rookie
This is really odd...I've played against a partner at the time he used AI98, and it was a spin monster, he made wonders with it. Also AI97 was tested by TW staff and measurements and experience was the same...spin generated was huge. Perhaps your AI98 had a lighter head and a lower SW, possibly lower TW too?
That could be. Sadly, I never got to measure the sw of my ai98!
 

RGT

Rookie
Going to order the TC97 so my TC95 is up for sale in the for sale section if anyone is interested!
 
Depends on how often do you rely on maximum precision or what grips you mostly use. Me, I'm slowly realizing that it's more about me learning to harness the power and spin of the TC100 rather than needing maximum precision and low powered response of my other frames. To some extent and from certain level, lower powered frames can actually mask the flaws you might have in your technique because no matter how hard (and incorrect) you hit the ball, it tends to land in anyway.

If the difference is night and day, not even worth discussing but TC95 and 100, both in 63RA, are very close in feel and even performance. For me, TC100 is an all rounders dream. Easy to trade heavy top from the baseline, slice is almost as good as with my 18x20 TC97 (and that one is 11/10), volleys are a breeze and touch shots are sublime. Pair it with thicker, lower powered string (in my case) and you shouldn't need any another racquet anymore. You know, performance wise .)

Edit: even flattening out the shots works very well with the 100
I agree with this... I swing out and need the precision on my return game and how I often finish points. I dont play especially high percentage tennis... I amp myself up and demand a lot, if Im sloppy or too relaxed I lose, otherwise between y serves and return game with weapons off both wings I dictate (often even when Im playing superior/elite players). I hit a lot of lines so I need a frame that encourages that from me. TC95 fits the bill perfectly.

I really love the tc100 63ra... not that different but the power is far easier and on the return game its a bit of a liability for me. For most others it would be a godsend. Also the Tc95 is more nimble which also helps me since Im quick around the court with good reach... pulling me wide is an invitation for winners so its actually smartr to bleed off pace and target my feet... thus the nimble aspect of the TC95 is key for me. The TC100 isnt quite as nimble... still good and if you have great hands it has fine touch for a 100.

Honestly, most players should be looking at the Tc100 or Tc97... Tc95 is very much more for ballstrikers who proactively control points with weapons that stand out... its a very assertive stick that only unlocks its potential with a certain amount of aggression and fottwork.. Tc100 has that too but with easy forgiveness
 

ed70

Professional
Hi Ed

I have the same experience with the PCT. Good control but low powered on serves. I have lead (around 2 inches) at 3,6, 9 and 12. I think with all the lead, it's close to 12oz. I though the serve speed is me. But I get much more speed serving with the PS RF and the Yonnex DR.

I was thinking of going with the 11.4oz 12 point HL TC97. That ways I can add a bit of lead on the head and still keep it around 12oz and 9 points HL. If I go with the 11.7OZ and 12 points HL, I think the head may not have enough bulk for volleys and serves. Maybe I am completely wrong on this.

Due to TE, I prefer to stick with the RIP control. Any idea on performance of a TC with a multi?

Thanks
The TC97 is not string sensitive, I've used synth gut/poly hybrids, also hit with a full bed of bab origin, also full bed of round poly's all play great. I'm from uk so may-Sept I play games home and away each week I use silverstring as it lasts and keeps tension, I tend to experiment outside of competition. Also had some time with the dr98, nice frame but tc97 has a bit more all round power with similar control, and I much prefer the tc's thin beam.
If you like the PCT and DR theres a good chance you will like the TC97 too. I have TC 97 310g 9pts h/l, ive played with heavier frames but this things solid it doesn't need lead...nice healthy 325sw.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
The TC97 is not string sensitive, I've used synth gut/poly hybrids, also hit with a full bed of bab origin, also full bed of round poly's all play great. I'm from uk so may-Sept I play games home and away each week I use silverstring as it lasts and keeps tension, I tend to experiment outside of competition. Also had some time with the dr98, nice frame but tc97 has a bit more all round power with similar control, and I much prefer the tc's thin beam.
If you like the PCT and DR theres a good chance you will like the TC97 too. I have TC 97 310g 9pts h/l, ive played with heavier frames but this things solid it doesn't need lead...nice healthy 325sw.
I just got mine strung with 1.25 Poly Tour Spin. Good combination. 18x20, that is.
 
The TC97 is not string sensitive, I've used synth gut/poly hybrids, also hit with a full bed of bab origin, also full bed of round poly's all play great. I'm from uk so may-Sept I play games home and away each week I use silverstring as it lasts and keeps tension, I tend to experiment outside of competition. Also had some time with the dr98, nice frame but tc97 has a bit more all round power with similar control, and I much prefer the tc's thin beam.
If you like the PCT and DR theres a good chance you will like the TC97 too. I have TC 97 310g 9pts h/l, ive played with heavier frames but this things solid it doesn't need lead...nice healthy 325sw.
I could not get any control from the DR98, just too much power on ground strokes for me to control. Are you sating the TC97 has more power than DR98?
 

mr.torrence

Rookie
Actual is what you measure with your TC97. It varies so it's best to ask Paul for specific measured stiffness when ordering.
So Paul got back to me saying that the strung flex can vary slightly based on the tension used but typically a complete and strung TC97 will be 4-5 points lower i.e. 61-62RA.
 
I think it fits an all court game very nicely. Besides, the monstrous serves and the ease of generating variety in serving, it is a great volley stick. You can volley from anywhere on the court with excellent feel and sense of where the ball is going. Power is kinda absurd so needs a low powered string with good feedback to compliment this stick.
completely agree, my main hitting partner needed to string with rslyon... he was sailing a lot of forehands long with tourbite soft in a tc100 ra 63... but yeah his midcourt and net game picked up with the tc100. There just arent many players 100s out there that have great feel. Tc100 does.
 
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ed70

Professional
I could not get any control from the DR98, just too much power on ground strokes for me to control. Are you sating the TC97 has more power than DR98?
I generate more power with my tc97 than I did with the Dr98 but were talking small margins here, I found the dr98 had a slightly more closed stringbed to the tc97, so I can generate more topspin with the angell which for me helps keep good control. The DR98 is not recognized as a powerful stick so if you found that too powerful id maybe look at the Angell 97 18x20 or a prestige.
 

topspn

Legend
completely agree, my main hitting partner needed to string with rslyon... he was sailing a lot of forehands long with tourbite soft in a tc100 ra 63... but yeah his midcourt and net game picked up with the tc100. There just arent many players 100s out there that have great feel. Tc100 does.
Halo 2 broke after 3.5 hrs but I hope it was a fluke. I still have a couple more packs and it was a bit too powerful so will up the tension to above 52. I'm trying FireWire but I'm also afraid will be too powerful. I still have some RS and other strings so if FireWire is too powerful will have to choose from the lower powered strings I have
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
Halo 2 broke after 3.5 hrs but I hope it was a fluke. I still have a couple more packs and it was a bit too powerful so will up the tension to above 52. I'm trying FireWire but I'm also afraid will be too powerful. I still have some RS and other strings so if FireWire is too powerful will have to choose from the lower powered strings I have
FireWire has some power, yes, if in doubt what tension (and still didn't strung it), string a bit tighter.
 

Kozzy

Semi-Pro
So, the Ashaway Kevlar (18) / ZX (17) string job finally broke after about one month (30 hours of play, give or take). Snapped the mains last night. My favorite string job ever, in the TC90, and I hardly noticed any change through the whole month. Strung at 40/45. Seems like a winner to me. I'm going to go back to a full syngut job for the next one, just to compare, but will probably be returning to this combo soon. Had no arm problems whatsoever, plenty of power and control (good spin, able to swing out and keep it in), good feel, and spent a minimum amount of time adjusting strings, as they never got too far out of line. Needless to say, I love the TC90 more every time I play - just a wonderful racquet all around.
 

topspn

Legend
So, the Ashaway Kevlar (18) / ZX (17) string job finally broke after about one month (30 hours of play, give or take). Snapped the mains last night. My favorite string job ever, in the TC90, and I hardly noticed any change through the whole month. Strung at 40/45. Seems like a winner to me. I'm going to go back to a full syngut job for the next one, just to compare, but will probably be returning to this combo soon. Had no arm problems whatsoever, plenty of power and control (good spin, able to swing out and keep it in), good feel, and spent a minimum amount of time adjusting strings, as they never got too far out of line. Needless to say, I love the TC90 more every time I play - just a wonderful racquet all around.
I’ve had a pack of the hybrid crossfire ZX 17g for more then a year now and I’ve never strung it up. When I think of trying it, the word kevlar makes my skin cringe a bit :p So you strung it pretty low on a TC90. If I test it, it would be on my TC100 63RA. Is a tension of 45/50 within reason in your opinion for decent feel, control and no boardy feel?
 

Kozzy

Semi-Pro
I'm not an expert on the kevlar, by any means - there are many more knowledgeable on this topic than me on these boards. I have heard that tension doesn't matter too much with Kevlar - that it is stiff pretty much no matter what (so 40lb vs. 60lb might not feel that different). I just went low because that's what I tend to do, and it worked very well. I have the crossfire ZX in another racquet at a similar tension and it's also very nice. I've never had major arm issues, but I have felt discomfort here and there from poly strings, and I never had even a hint of that with this setup. Given your larger frame, you might try a little higher, but I don't know anything about your typical setup, so it's hard to say. I can say that the string bed doesn't really seem to loosen up in any real way. I'm sure tension is lost, but it's not something you feel (or at least, I did not). I didn't pre stretch or anything either, beyond what I normally do while stringing (letting it sit for 20-30 seconds before clamping, and adjusting as necessary). What I really loved about it overall was the combination of stiffness/control from the kevlar and liveliness of the ZX.
 
Join the reds club! :D
i do really love the green grommets but i have a set of reds that i plan to use in fall... with the new paint job the reds really stick out as do the greens...

I think Paul's decision to sell multiple colors and grommets is really great because for those of us who like to change things up just for the sake of change it keeps us from racketholism... its just grommetholism

I'd love to have some orange grommets it's my favorite color
 
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saleem

Semi-Pro
I’ve had a pack of the hybrid crossfire ZX 17g for more then a year now and I’ve never strung it up. When I think of trying it, the word kevlar makes my skin cringe a bit :p So you strung it pretty low on a TC90. If I test it, it would be on my TC100 63RA. Is a tension of 45/50 within reason in your opinion for decent feel, control and no boardy feel?
I have tried Forten thin blend (kevlar 17 main, forten sweet 17 crosses) on my tc95 last year, it lasted for long time but it is not my favorite combo on tc95.
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Anyone tried side by side Flexpoint Prestige MP and TC97 18x20? I have strung two FP rackets proportionally with NG and poly and cannot believe that something can beat them in terms of stability, comfort and easy power... Of course, in order the comparison to be fair TC should also be strung proportionally.
 

ONgame

Semi-Pro
Took my TC95 to the shop for volkl gut mains and head hawk cross at 58/53, can't wait to properly play with the racquet!
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Anyone tried side by side Flexpoint Prestige MP and TC97 18x20? I have strung two FP rackets proportionally with NG and poly and cannot believe that something can beat them in terms of stability, comfort and easy power... Of course, in order the comparison to be fair TC should also be strung proportionally.
Stock TC97 18x20 is not THAT stable and I most certainly wouldn't describe its power as easy. Around 8-10g of lead around 9/3 and then it's stable with easy power (yet still requiring full swings and proper footwork).
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
Stock TC97 18x20 is not THAT stable and I most certainly wouldn't describe its power as easy. Around 8-10g of lead around 9/3 and then it's stable with easy power (yet still requiring full swings and proper footwork).
Considering TC97's SW is not low, that's not quite stable...for stable racquets I consider ones that become rock stable with adding up to 5 grams at 3+9 o'clock.
 

topspn

Legend
I think people perhaps think of stability in different ways. For me, stability is a function of two things. First, on heavy balls you don’t feel like the racquet is being pushed back, it’s the sense of how solid the racquet feels on impact. Any Angell frame I have ever played with is rock solid with zero addition of lead. Secondly, it’s hitting outside of the sweet spot and feeling flutter in the racquet head on impact affecting both power and control. It’s this second aspect that on certain Angells may need a bit of lead. Having played with both RAs, it is felt more in the RA70 frames. Less so in the 63RA frames, especially the TC100 which is super stable at my specs. I did add a smidgen of weight 3&9 for TC95 63RA but that was it. I think some people sometimes include their overall perspective of weight or desired plow as a function of stability so such a variety of considerations on “stability”
 
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