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Carreau

Semi-Pro
In my case (300g/325mm) swing weight difference is (quoting Paul):

The swing weight range for the 63RA will be 295-305 unstrung.
The swing weight range for the 70RA will be 287-297 unstrung.

I assume that with 63ra you would be able to generate heavier ball (just guessing)?
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Wow you’re the first to think its ugly. Oh and 1.18 or 1.20 is just to thin for the TC100 so will play too lively, erratic and eat your strings ;) Enjoy the new frame
This rugby ball shape looks weird for me. But I will get used, I'm pretty sure. :)
All 1.18-1.20 poly strings I'm using (CoFocus, SPPP, Silverstring) are pretty "dead" ones - so it should not cause a lot inconsistencies. Anyway, I'll experiment with 1.25 as well - Cyclone, BlackCode, Lyon.
 

TheRasha

Rookie
This rugby ball shape looks weird for me. But I will get used, I'm pretty sure. :)
All 1.18-1.20 poly strings I'm using (CoFocus, SPPP, Silverstring) are pretty "dead" ones - so it should not cause a lot inconsistencies. Anyway, I'll experiment with 1.25 as well - Cyclone, BlackCode, Lyon.
I am experitmenting too. So far I have tried Solinco Tour Bite and RS Lyon. Completly different plays. With Tour Bite 1.25 (50/48lbs) you have to put spin on every ball (you will get massive spin) and every ball stays in court, with that spin is very difficult ball for opponent, higher launch angle. Flat balls and serves was much harder to keep in court.
With RS lyon 1.20 (53/51lbs) flat balls and serves are in, serves are faster, you get spin, but not that much as with tour bite, better (lower) slices, lower launch angle, maybe better directional control.
 

stephenclown

Professional
I'm looking at ordering a TC100 RA63 310/315. Does anyone know the standard SW for the RA63 version and the RA70? I loved the lightness of the RA70 but feel the 63 will be more comfortable overall. The main concern I have of going with the 63 is it is said by many to swing heavier despite the same static weight. So the question is how much is the standard SW for the 63?

I tried an off the shelf TC100 RA70 Tour Version and liked it a lot, however, I wanted something a little less stiff. Also, which RA is more powerful......RA63 or RA70?

Thanks.......
The 63ra has a higher swingweight due to more material and a complex layup. Naturally it will hit harder because of this. I love the comfort of the 63ra tc95 and overall it is great playing with nat gut/ poly hybrid.

Dont worry too much about the sw, it wont be too cumbersome. Extended 63ra is where it really starts making a difference. Roughly 10sw points for every .25" added.

Tpspn has the tc100 and was told at 330g unstrung the sw would be closer to 340 strung and overgrip. This is still quite manageable though and doesnt take that long to adjust to. As long as it is headlight enough for you, it will be fine :) as most of the weight is in the handle of angells for modification the swingweight of a 310 frame will not be that much lower than the 330g. You could probably ask for a lower weight easily.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
The first to say it here. In the first two days, 3 out of 4 people who tried it said it's ugly (the same color scheme as Carreau's) - because I was prepared to see what I see. ;)
Yeah, PJ isn't much...when I ordered TC100 I wanted color grommets, but frankly, didn't like how those are too tiny for my taste for it's color to take over the standard design. In the end I ordered red and black, saw in live how both look and I didn't like red on it either. In the end I uses red on the one at the tip and the rest stayed black (colour grommets don't look good to me against grey on the sides) . So it's not classic. But still it's boring cosmetics.
 
I have TC95 as I said earlier. Absolutely great stick, especially for spin players. I am not really spin player and my balls have a lot of spin :D. Only problem which I have with TC95 is flat forehand paralel and flat service on T line, very hard to hit these two strokes with TC95 and with ealrier racket these two strokes was my weapons. I am thinking to buy TC97 18x20. So here is question: Who played both, please compare TC95 16x19 63RA vs TC 97 18x20, what I will get what to loose. Did you strung them on same tension?
Thanks
Evreyone is different but Ive enjoyed how much easier flat dtl forehands are with the TC95 and havent noticed any problems doing flat serves up the T. I use the 63ra TC94 16x19 strung at 45lbs with RSLyon. Both were shots Id hit a lot with my old max 200g and they returned to my game when I switched to the TC95. Was using a Pacific xfeel pro 95 and a Prestige IG MP before getting the Angells.
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Yeah, PJ isn't much...when I ordered TC100 I wanted color grommets, but frankly, didn't like how those are too tiny for my taste for it's color to take over the standard design. In the end I ordered red and black, saw in live how both look and I didn't like red on it either. In the end I uses red on the one at the tip and the rest stayed black (colour grommets don't look good to me against grey on the sides) . So it's not classic. But still it's boring cosmetics.
Agree. Grey is out of taste except for grey or silver grommets. Transparent CAP grommets like on IG Prestige would pass better.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
Agree. Grey is out of taste except for grey or silver grommets. Transparent CAP grommets like on IG Prestige would pass better.
I'm not sure why Paul went with those, it's lot alike Wilson racquets, only Wilson's include colour so it's effective.
 
I'm not sure why Paul went with those, it's lot alike Wilson racquets, only Wilson's include colour so it's effective.
Hey I really like grey and paul has a loooooooong history of grey sticks (very british). MW200g, max impact series... and when he launched Angell everyone flipped out over the grey sticks. I have both an all grey and a newer Tc95 that is black with some grey at 3 and 9. I like them both.

Grey is awesome but I think he could do special edition colors... like a deep metal flake green like those Lister Jaguars or a sparkly deep blue or red. Just to spurr sales and for a little festive fun.
 

topspn

Legend
The first to say it here. In the first two days, 3 out of 4 people who tried it said it's ugly (the same color scheme as Carreau's) - because I was prepared to see what I see. ;)
I really like the PJ black/grey with a tone of classy styling and not overdone and too flashy. What did you do? Take a survey? :D
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
First training session. I think I need to buy the second one. :D overhead miss-hit:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/36zo9amybdkg9mr/IMG_4394.JPG?dl=0

My couch commented that PD produces more speed, but the ball is no so heavy. TC100 rewards on full strokes, sharp angle shots are doable (I was missing these a lot), drop shots are very good. In general I have x5 more control and shot variety. In other hand - I need to work a bit more to get pace.

Will string it with BlackCode 1.24 it should be more durable.
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Regarding the PJ. I think PJ quality itself is good enough for custom racket. However, the frame preparation for painting is less good. I'm able to see some deviations under the paint. Anyway, it is a minor thing. :)
 

haqq777

Legend
Hey I really like grey and paul has a loooooooong history of grey sticks (very british). MW200g, max impact series... and when he launched Angell everyone flipped out over the grey sticks. I have both an all grey and a newer Tc95 that is black with some grey at 3 and 9. I like them both.

Grey is awesome but I think he could do special edition colors... like a deep metal flake green like those Lister Jaguars or a sparkly deep blue or red. Just to spurr sales and for a little festive fun.
I really like the PJ black/grey with a tone of classy styling and not overdone and too flashy. What did you do? Take a survey? :D
+1. I really like the cosmetics too. In fact I have been asked what stick this is multiple times (maybe more to do with Angell brand not cosmetics). I also like that I can mix up grommet colors. Mine look absolutely slick right now (green/black & all black). Then again, all this is pretty subjective.
 

ed70

Professional
Mine are just black and grey currently with off white strings (scorpion) Not really given the cosmetics much thought, though I guess I must lean towards darker frames. Only thing that really concerns me is getting the 'W'.
 

stephenclown

Professional
Hey, i want to add 10g to the handle to bring weight up a bit, i took off the grip however it looks like to take off the butt cap its going to be a *****, sooo many staples and so deep, no idea how to get them out without destroying the pallet or cap. Should i just add 10g under the grip instead?

Any idea whereabouts along the handle to add? 310g 9pt headlight, looking to make it 320g 10pt headlight then adding weight around the hoop. Just to match the tc97 i have coming as well

Overall I want it to be similar weighting to my rf97 but a little bit more easy to move around. Rf97 is at 355 or so, unbelievable serving with this and forehand, would love 350g on my tc95.
 

ed70

Professional
Mentioned this a while ago, currently playing with Angel 16x19 TC97, Strung with 1.22g WC Scorpion. Has anyone else tried this combination? I find it an outstanding
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Hey, i want to add 10g to the handle to bring weight up a bit, i took off the grip however it looks like to take off the butt cap its going to be a *****, sooo many staples and so deep, no idea how to get them out without destroying the pallet or cap. Should i just add 10g under the grip instead?

Any idea whereabouts along the handle to add? 310g 9pt headlight, looking to make it 320g 10pt headlight then adding weight around the hoop. Just to match the tc97 i have coming as well

Overall I want it to be similar weighting to my rf97 but a little bit more easy to move around. Rf97 is at 355 or so, unbelievable serving with this and forehand, would love 350g on my tc95.
Nail it through the doortrap.
 

Mirdad

Rookie
In my case (300g/325mm) swing weight difference is (quoting Paul):

The swing weight range for the 63RA will be 295-305 unstrung.
The swing weight range for the 70RA will be 287-297 unstrung.

I assume that with 63ra you would be able to generate heavier ball (just guessing)?
Here is the replay I just received from Paul:
I was wondering what is the standard SW for the TC100 RA63 and RA70? I am considering a 310/315 custom order. Also, which RA is more powerful? Thanks
2:32AM

"Hi Bob. The 63RA version is typically 300 unstrung and the 70RA is closer to 290. (We can usually select 3-4 points higher or lower for each model) Power levels are similar for both but depends on your style of swing and string choice."
____________________________________________________________

I'm going to start off with a 17g multi and put some string savers in them, along with dampener and over grip. I believe this adds about 25 to 28 more to the overall SW. So total SW for the 63RA could run between 325 to 328 which is very manageable. I suppose I could ask him to decrease the SW by 3-4 pts to make it more maneuverable.
 

Kozzy

Semi-Pro
(by the way, last double blocked cross is a bit problematic)
- not sure if anyone else does this, but I agree those are a huge pain, so on my TC90, I just skip the first and last cross. Works like a charm, and plays just as good. So, I really have a 16X16 pattern... That might not work on the other frames, depending on how much space it leaves at the top/bottom. In the TC90, it's not that noticeable.
 

ace18

Professional
- not sure if anyone else does this, but I agree those are a huge pain, so on my TC90, I just skip the first and last cross. Works like a charm, and plays just as good. So, I really have a 16X16 pattern... That might not work on the other frames, depending on how much space it leaves at the top/bottom. In the TC90, it's not that noticeable.
I hybrid and use a multi for the cross, so you can only imagine trying to stuff a soft string through that last hole. Before feeding the last cross, I push a scrap piece of poly into the grommet and shove my multi through while pulling the poly out. It normally works for me after a few tries.
 
Great color choice but bad taste for details like combination, distribution, gloss/matte, etc. Left is nice, right is so-so

The green grommets on my grey/black TC95 make it stunning... much more simple... less branding. The photo also shows just how different the TC95 and MW200g are. Just the bridge alone.

Mentioned this a while ago, currently playing with Angel 16x19 TC97, Strung with 1.22g WC Scorpion. Has anyone else tried this combination? I find it an outstanding
Ive thought about a trying my old goto hybrid of YPTP black x by WCscorpion but havent tried it yet. RSlyon doing the trick so far.
 

Kozzy

Semi-Pro
I hybrid and use a multi for the cross, so you can only imagine trying to stuff a soft string through that last hole. Before feeding the last cross, I push a scrap piece of poly into the grommet and shove my multi through while pulling the poly out. It normally works for me after a few tries.
Yeah, it's a total nightmare, I'm sure. I got tired of it, and and don't mind weaving two fewer crosses.

On a different note, today I played again with full bed of Big Hitter Blue 17, strung at 40lb. Wow - I think I was just having a really good day, but it was a great experience. I'm looking forward to seeing how long it lasts in terms of playability.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
The green grommets on my grey/black TC95 make it stunning... much more simple... less branding. The photo also shows just how different the TC95 and MW200g are. Just the bridge alone.


Ive thought about a trying my old goto hybrid of YPTP black x by WCscorpion but havent tried it yet. RSlyon doing the trick so far.
Red grommets for me, although black on black is very stylish, too. I'm about to string my TC100 with RS Lyon. High expectations.
 

haqq777

Legend
I ordered a set of green grommets but don't like the look in person, looks like a pale neon green. I'll stick with blue.
Yeah, its pretty subjective. I had blue grommets before I switched to green. Me, I don't like blue that much. Too vanilla. To each their own. As long as you enjoy the stick, thats what matters more :)

 

haqq777

Legend
Seems I'm not the one braking strings in the top. Grommets seems not forgiving in this frame. :)
Absolutely, one knock I have on Angells is that grommets are thin and could be of much better quality. This string break was all on me though, shanked a ball bad and was on the run.

That said I have snapped Lux 4G too in the middle(ish) and I am not even a chronic stringbreaker :) - kids I hit with break strings so much more! All that crazy topspin too.
 
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Carreau

Semi-Pro
Was it old string job? How many hours approx.? String brake in the middle would be normal. :) It is very fast trough the air (my finding and comparison to other frames I have) and at the same time quite heavy.
 

haqq777

Legend
Was it old string job? How many hours approx.? String brake in the middle would be normal. :) It is very fast trough the air (my finding and comparison to other frames I have) and at the same time quite heavy.
Was strung at 50lbs (lockout) and was in the 9th hour of play with the string. Yeah, I love my TC100 for just that right balance of maneuverability and stability :) - I find my 70 RA ones to be tad quicker because of lower swingweight but even with 63 RA, whippiness is not an issue.
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Okay, gents, just strung my one with trusted BlackCode 1.24 for tomorrow training.
Did it in one piece - and as expected only one double-blocked hole. And found quite effective way to deal with that hole. :D Simply flattened end of the string with my pliers and put it horizontally between two blocking strings - took about 15 seconds, maybe less. Maybe you will find it helpful.
Foto:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jyxaw8aiy1r6qdi/IMG_4397.JPG?dl=0
 

scf

Semi-Pro
Okay, gents, just strung my one with trusted BlackCode 1.24 for tomorrow training.
Did it in one piece - and as expected only one double-blocked hole. And found quite effective way to deal with that hole. :D Simply flattened end of the string with my pliers and put it horizontally between two blocking strings - took about 15 seconds, maybe less. Maybe you will find it helpful.
Foto:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jyxaw8aiy1r6qdi/IMG_4397.JPG?dl=0
I do like that too, but it's more problematic for guys with multi or gut :)
 

scf

Semi-Pro
I do that as well with my multi or poly. Believe it or not, I actually got my 15G multi thru there. It was a battle of wits, cursing, sweating. Next time I string, I will take a pic of my method. I will not be defeated, lol.
:D:D:D
 
Great color choice but bad taste for details like combination, distribution, gloss/matte, etc. Left is nice, right is so-so

Both great frames. I used the MW for a LONG time. I find the TC97 18x20 has more in common with the MW200g than the TC95 18x20 63ra. I can hit flatter and with more feel. It just matches well with my style of play and groundstroke motion. I will still carry a few muscle weaves in my bag till I get a second TC97. I still bring the TC95 to the courts in case any curious mortals want to try to weild Mjölnir. Many tried, few have thrived.

off topic:
Is it true that the 97 and 95 18x20 grommets are identical?
 

stephenclown

Professional
Both great frames. I used the MW for a LONG time. I find the TC97 18x20 has more in common with the MW200g than the TC95 18x20 63ra. I can hit flatter and with more feel. It just matches well with my style of play and groundstroke motion. I will still carry a few muscle weaves in my bag till I get a second TC97. I still bring the TC95 to the courts in case any curious mortals want to try to weild Mjölnir. Many tried, few have thrived.

off topic:
Is it true that the 97 and 95 18x20 grommets are identical?
What makes the TC95 more difficult to play with and flat hit? I went with the TC95 16x19 and my TC97 18x20 is coming tomorrow. I want to try both and see which is best then make a decision. I love the TC95 but any time I hold back with the gut in mains (injury) the ball is hitting the back fence on the full.
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
What makes the TC95 more difficult to play with and flat hit? I went with the TC95 16x19 and my TC97 18x20 is coming tomorrow. I want to try both and see which is best then make a decision. I love the TC95 but any time I hold back with the gut in mains (injury) the ball is hitting the back fence on the full.
Well, precisely this seems to be the problem - ball hits the fence, not the court. ;)
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
What makes the TC95 more difficult to play with and flat hit? I went with the TC95 16x19 and my TC97 18x20 is coming tomorrow. I want to try both and see which is best then make a decision. I love the TC95 but any time I hold back with the gut in mains (injury) the ball is hitting the back fence on the full.
I had my venture with 18x20 during this year. But eventually I went back to open patterns. I realized while I can play with it, I still miss some weapons, like the angles which are harder to get with 18x20.
While TC95 16x19 and TC97 18x20 are obviously both great racquets, just the fact that one is open pattern while the other is 18x20 makes them pretty different.
So...why a choice between those two?
 

stephenclown

Professional
I had my venture with 18x20 during this year. But eventually I went back to open patterns. I realized while I can play with it, I still miss some weapons, like the angles which are harder to get with 18x20.
While TC95 16x19 and TC97 18x20 are obviously both great racquets, just the fact that one is open pattern while the other is 18x20 makes them pretty different.
So...why a choice between those two?
Mainly layup differences, different feel between the 16x19 and 18x20 in tc97. I love the spin on the 16x19 and even the 18x20 is supposed to be pretty open so didnt worry me so much. And being quite different was a good reason to try each as well to see whats better for long term when changing my strokes
 
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