The Official Angell Users Club

stephenclown

Professional
This gut hybrid has great feel in the 95, just dullness and slight pain in my wrist now rather than not being able to play. Hopefully that dissipates over the coming weeks and then I can grab another 16m angell. Much prefer the gut in the 95 than in the 97, just need a higher tension, also using the Wilson gut made by babolat. I think the feeling of the gut in the 97 18m is a bit lacklustre and doesn't generate the spin needed for me, its so solid and crisp on the volleys but missing bite on groundstrokes. Comfort with weight added in my 95 to about 345grams and decreasing the pallet size seems to be better than the 97 now. Added some blue tack to the hairpin under the pallets, seems to have worked out well and only added a couple grams (was 10g lighter than my 97 stock)

Thinking about grabbing some of the wraps for my 95 for stability and to increase comfort with even dispersion of weight. Worried about increasing the twistweight too much and decreasing the manoeuvrability though...

Which prints are peoples favourites?
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
I am currently using the weisscannon ultra cable with 48 lbs on my TC 95 custom 16x19, 310 grams, 9 hl and 63 RA. I really enjoyed the combination of power, control, spin and feel. It's worth the test for anyone who has never used it.
 

stephenclown

Professional
I am currently using the weisscannon ultra cable with 48 lbs on my TC 95 custom 16x19, 310 grams, 9 hl and 63 RA. I really enjoyed the combination of power, control, spin and feel. It's worth the test for anyone who has never used it.

Im just too **** scared to go for ultra cable / blue rock n power in the 95 or i would probably use it as a cross for my gut mains. Dont want to find something I love and then have to put in new grommets every couple months. Are yours holding up well?
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Im just too **** scared to go for ultra cable / blue rock n power in the 95 or i would probably use it as a cross for my gut mains. Dont want to find something I love and then have to put in new grommets every couple months. Are yours holding up well?
The rope is already about 10 hours old and so far there has been no change in spin-related rope behavior. From what I understand, the string will last for about 20 hours
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Im just too **** scared to go for ultra cable / blue rock n power in the 95 or i would probably use it as a cross for my gut mains. Dont want to find something I love and then have to put in new grommets every couple months. Are yours holding up well?
The rope is already about 10 hours old and so far there has been no change in spin-related rope behavior. From what I understand, the string will last for about 20 hours
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
The rope is already about 10 hours old and so far there has been no change in spin-related rope behavior. From what I understand, the string will last for about 20 hours
I think he’s asking if you have any problem with grommets breaking because of that string.
 

Faris

Professional
Im just too **** scared to go for ultra cable / blue rock n power in the 95 or i would probably use it as a cross for my gut mains. Dont want to find something I love and then have to put in new grommets every couple months. Are yours holding up well?
I have some rock n power lying in the closet...will string up in my tc95 and report bck soon....
 

stephenclown

Professional
Just received a couple Oehms gray leather grips and put them on my TC90s - wow, that's a nice grip. So soft, it's amazing. And they look perfect too, even though I ordered factory seconds by accident. I prefer leather with no overgrip. Can't wait to take them out for a hit.
Just received my Oehm grips as well and wow this is a soft grip after opening the pack. It oozes quality leather but not at a premium price, this is an amazing product!

edit* I chose tan leather as I wanted to try it without too many additives and dyes, currently using the black leather from angell and that is high quality but this is a huge step above.
 
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Kozzy

Semi-Pro
Just received my Oehm grips as well and wow this is a soft grip after opening the pack. It oozes quality leather but not at a premium price, this is an amazing product!

edit* I chose tan leather as I wanted to try it without too many additives and dyes, currently using the black leather from angell and that is high quality but this is a huge step above.
Yeah, I've used Fairway grips and the Angell leather is very good too - but these grips are at another level. I'm curious to see how they play and hold up, but I couldn't be more pleased at the moment...
 

stephenclown

Professional
Yeah, I've used Fairway grips and the Angell leather is very good too - but these grips are at another level. I'm curious to see how they play and hold up, but I couldn't be more pleased at the moment...
Apparently the guy was somehow in cahoots with Head Finest Calfskin in the past for the pro scene. If this is what those grips are like I can see why it is the go to for all professional players, I can't wait to put it on my frames and play with it.
 

stephenclown

Professional
So now I have found a setup that works with the 16x19 95 I don't think I will be able to go back to the 18x20 97, just super solid and soft on all strokes in comparison and the backhands are to die for...

Think I am going to sell the 97 and buy either a:

16m TC97
TC90 or
TC100

I think I want the TC100 the least of all as I love the precision of the 95 frames I have always gravitated towards, do you think it is missing that much compared to the 95? I hit the 95 with a heap of power so that isn't really a concern. I used the Pure aero and it was like using a mallet, no feel and no control so have kind of gone away from larger frames since.

I would love to try the 97 with a less dense pattern and gut but the TC90 may be the holy grail if it maintains the power of the 95 but worried about a smaller sweetspot and smaller head limiting long term enjoyment. Might be a good option for training consistency on though with the same specs as my 95 and then using the 95 for more competitive play after being heavily dialled in?

To be honest I haven't enjoyed tennis this much in more than a decade and that is after injuries and time off.
 

Xero

New User
Hi, guys, I am a new Angell user from asia...I've tried Blade, pure drive, radical, prestige, DR98 & 100, some volkls, tecnifibres and many others...
Nothing can satisfy me until I tried the TC 97...and the Prince textreme tour 100P
I ordered the TC 97 in 300g, 6pt HL and 27.25 in length.
I strung my TC 97 with RPM 17 @ 48P. In the first try, I found it's very low power. I put some lead to the handle to make it 335g strung with dampener and overgrip. Magically it plays very differently, all power came out without effortless, slice backhand, volley and everything was good. At that night I playtest the prince textreme tour 100P in the same time. When I played them side by side, I found the feel was very similar, but 100p was more forgiving.
TC97 and textreme 100P are the best racquets in my collection.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I think I want the TC100 the least of all as I love the precision of the 95 frames I have always gravitated towards, do you think it is missing that much compared to the 95?
I’d say yes. Not sure what “that much” means but maybe this comparison would be helpful to you:

If you compare Federer of his first 12 Majors with Federer of the last two seasons- ie after switching to the 97 - that’s about it. Instead of pure tennis he’s more about tactics and use of spins and power now. Yes topspin backhand improved but if you watch carefully, he’s playing his opponents more than he’s playing the court(and pure tennis)these days (like vs Zverev yesterday). He will trade blows of changing speed and spin to either create an error or a short ball that is safer to put away. It’s not the “I want this rally to end NOW” kind of tennis anymore and I think it may be due to the frame, too.

Back to TC100 - I feel like Fed of the past two seasons as well. I know what the stick is capable of in certain scenarios and I know what I need to do to either win a point or not to lose it. It’s almost all conscious and premeditated, very little of my tennis is just pure instinct which I’m using significantly more with frames that feel much more natural to me - usually midsize but I’ll add TC97 18x20 as well.

TC100 is an excellent frame and a proper match winning tool when put into good use. I am beating most of the people I meet on the tennis court but I can’t say I’m enjoying it anywhere near as much as I would with a frame that feels more natural to me. I’m going to complete my one year commitment to TC100, though, and I’ll move on from there.
 

gmorera

Rookie
After tried the tc97 18x20 320gr/310mm beginning of the year but not being totally convinced to move away from my beloved c10 pro and official tournament were waiting at the corner, I decided to sell it and play the Summer session with the c10 pro. Now that session is ended and my suspicions has been confirmed that c10 pro is getting a bit heavy for me ( i'm 53-yold) specially with 3 sets matches, i decided to give Angell another try but this time i ordered the tc95 18x20 63RA 320 gr/ 320 mm( 7 ptst hl) as i'm a very flat hitter. I've been playing with it the last 3 weeks with WC Silvestring 1.25 @22 kg and i'm very very happy. It is for my feeling a different racket as the tc97, tc95 has a bit more power but the feeling and control is amazing. Servers and volleys are a dream with this racket and my 1 hbh slice is like a knife on the indoor courts where ball bounces only 15 cm off the ground. My flat forehand is deep and with a lot of pace. The best thing i can say about this tc95 is that, finally after so many rackets tests, i have found one that it is a very feasible candidate to replace the c10 pro, and that when talking about one of the best rackets ever, it says a lot of good thing about the tc95 ( and it is 20 gr lighter :).
Next month i'll test it as well with Cream and control +, my other favorites strings to compare behaviors but definitely, i'm very happy that i gave Angell a second try and my chose for the tc95 was the correct one.
Thanks
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
I’d say yes. Not sure what “that much” means but maybe this comparison would be helpful to you:

If you compare Federer of his first 12 Majors with Federer of the last two seasons- ie after switching to the 97 - that’s about it. Instead of pure tennis he’s more about tactics and use of spins and power now. Yes topspin backhand improved but if you watch carefully, he’s playing his opponents more than he’s playing the court(and pure tennis)these days (like vs Zverev yesterday). He will trade blows of changing speed and spin to either create an error or a short ball that is safer to put away. It’s not the “I want this rally to end NOW” kind of tennis anymore and I think it may be due to the frame, too.

Back to TC100 - I feel like Fed of the past two seasons as well. I know what the stick is capable of in certain scenarios and I know what I need to do to either win a point or not to lose it. It’s almost all conscious and premeditated, very little of my tennis is just pure instinct which I’m using significantly more with frames that feel much more natural to me - usually midsize but I’ll add TC97 18x20 as well.

TC100 is an excellent frame and a proper match winning tool when put into good use. I am beating most of the people I meet on the tennis court but I can’t say I’m enjoying it anywhere near as much as I would with a frame that feels more natural to me. I’m going to complete my one year commitment to TC100, though, and I’ll move on from there.
Well, for pros may be different, but with less 'school type' strokes I guess a minor stroke adjustment is needed to make the most out of racquet when change is this significant (like TC100 compared to mids or evem 18x20 TC97). It's up to you whether you want to persist with the racquet and adjust your game to it to the point when it becomes as natural as playing with mids is currently to you, Or get back to playing with what you're well used to. It boils down to whether you feel the potential to play your better tennis with TC100, even if you're not yet quite there. This potential is what can make worth it.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Well, for pros may be different, but with less 'school type' strokes I guess a minor stroke adjustment is needed to make the most out of racquet when change is this significant (like TC100 compared to mids or evem 18x20 TC97). It's up to you whether you want to persist with the racquet and adjust your game to it to the point when it becomes as natural as playing with mids is currently to you, Or get back to playing with what you're well used to. It boils down to whether you feel the potential to play your better tennis with TC100, even if you're not yet quite there. This potential is what can make worth it.
It’s the oldest question here, isn’t it. Do you play for fun and enjoyment or for results? Doesn’t really exclude results as a form of enjoyment, does it.

To be honest I don’t think I’ll play with TC100 regularly after I finish my play test. I’ll keep two for those high level clay court matches but will play with something I enjoy throughout.

Edit:

Funny thing is my strokes are far from old school so TC100 should suit (and for sure it really suits) my style better. I just don’t enjoy (almost a tactile sensation) playing with it that much.
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
It’s the oldest question here, isn’t it. Do you play for fun and enjoyment or for results? Doesn’t really exclude results as a form of enjoyment, does it.

To be honest I don’t think I’ll play with TC100 regularly after I finish my play test. I’ll keep two for those high level clay court matches but will play with something I enjoy throughout.

Edit:

Funny thing is my strokes are far from old school so TC100 should suit (and for sure it really suits) my style better. I just don’t enjoy (almost a tactile sensation) playing with it that much.
I get you. But for the sake of discussion here's what I fully meant.

Well but the way I formulated it is tricky. Your best tennis. It's not necessary the tennis that win you most points, games and sets, as sometimes ugly tennis can give you that, but it's not necessary your best tennis - one can play tennis which is best to him, but also win by bringing his opponents game down by playing ugly tennis, so it's not that your better tennis won the game, it's opponent's worse tennis that brought you the victory. But I here consider playing beautiful strokes, full, fast, spinny, attacking, deep etc. And as much as I do indeed understand satisfaction factor from hitting the ball with certain racquet, I also doubt there are much players who wouldn't love it to play their best tennis. So it's not even about the score, it's about raising personal game.

I understand you currently don't enjoy TC100, but let's say hypothetically you achieve to adjust to this racquet so much that you start to play natural, spontaneous shots with it in a way you currently play with some other racquets, only those shots are yet heavier and dangerous...if this is the potential, to reach actually enjoying hitting with it, would that be worth an adjustment period?

However, one year time is pretty long, I'm curious to hear if you will feel the same in half a year...
 

stephenclown

Professional
I’d say yes. Not sure what “that much” means but maybe this comparison would be helpful to you:

If you compare Federer of his first 12 Majors with Federer of the last two seasons- ie after switching to the 97 - that’s about it. Instead of pure tennis he’s more about tactics and use of spins and power now. Yes topspin backhand improved but if you watch carefully, he’s playing his opponents more than he’s playing the court(and pure tennis)these days (like vs Zverev yesterday). He will trade blows of changing speed and spin to either create an error or a short ball that is safer to put away. It’s not the “I want this rally to end NOW” kind of tennis anymore and I think it may be due to the frame, too.

Back to TC100 - I feel like Fed of the past two seasons as well. I know what the stick is capable of in certain scenarios and I know what I need to do to either win a point or not to lose it. It’s almost all conscious and premeditated, very little of my tennis is just pure instinct which I’m using significantly more with frames that feel much more natural to me - usually midsize but I’ll add TC97 18x20 as well.

TC100 is an excellent frame and a proper match winning tool when put into good use. I am beating most of the people I meet on the tennis court but I can’t say I’m enjoying it anywhere near as much as I would with a frame that feels more natural to me. I’m going to complete my one year commitment to TC100, though, and I’ll move on from there.
Thank you for that post it was a very good read and I finished reading your posts on the TC90. I feel like with the injury my backhand has become my main weapon as my forehand sets up the backhand more.

I think the 90 may be worth it for me given that it should enhance my bh and I am playing lots of doubles so the precision could be great. I hit with a pretty long semi western forehand so that could be an issue though... I think the flex in the 95 is the main thing for my game, feels so natural around the court except for flat forehands. Great frames :)
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I get you. But for the sake of discussion here's what I fully meant.

Well but the way I formulated it is tricky. Your best tennis. It's not necessary the tennis that win you most points, games and sets, as sometimes ugly tennis can give you that, but it's not necessary your best tennis - one can play tennis which is best to him, but also win by bringing his opponents game down by playing ugly tennis, so it's not that your better tennis won the game, it's opponent's worse tennis that brought you the victory. But I here consider playing beautiful strokes, full, fast, spinny, attacking, deep etc. And as much as I do indeed understand satisfaction factor from hitting the ball with certain racquet, I also doubt there are much players who wouldn't love it to play their best tennis. So it's not even about the score, it's about raising personal game.

I understand you currently don't enjoy TC100, but let's say hypothetically you achieve to adjust to this racquet so much that you start to play natural, spontaneous shots with it in a way you currently play with some other racquets, only those shots are yet heavier and dangerous...if this is the potential, to reach actually enjoying hitting with it, would that be worth an adjustment period?

However, one year time is pretty long, I'm curious to hear if you will feel the same in half a year...
I get you, no doubt.

I’ve stated it several times on this forum - competitive tennis, i.e. playing and winning best of three/five is not what I’m playing tennis for. I played top level football(and futsal) from the age of 5 until 28-29, training at least 3 times a week and playing top matches, tournaments, international tournaments (winning quite a few, some with individual awards as well). Working hard, diet, no alcohol or teenage stuff(disco, girls...), off season training camps... I mean the whole nine yards. Tennis is different. It’s an art and a form of expression for me. Like painting a picture or playing music. I like all aspects of it - technical and physical. I just don’t need that competitive element anymore. Not that I can’t stand it, I’ll happily oblige any challenger, it’s just that my motivations are different.

Now back to your last post: I spent most of the last clay season back home playing against really good clay court players. The guy I train with the most is one of the best players on a recreational level around there, a regular tournament winner. It’s because of him I’ve switched to TC100 in the first place since I couldn’t keep up with him - on clay - with my TC97 18x20 and, most importantly, my hard court game. I got better on clay, much better in fact, and also thanks to the TC100 I’m beating him 90% of the time. Not only set-play, even in super tiebreaks and other tennis exercises involving point play. I know I play good tennis with TC100 and I know I could get even better if I play with it even more. How much better? I don’t really care, honestly. All I know is I’m not enjoying myself on the court as I would with something else in my hand and it does bother me. It’s only fair to say that this conclusion happened mainly thanks to the TC100 experience. That frame is an absolute beast and I’ll keep recommending it anywhere I go.

It goes both ways, obviously. I’m curious what I’ll think once I switch back to TC97 once the next outdoor clay season starts. It’s possible I’ll be thinking about the TC100 much more than I’d expect right now. That’s what experiments are for...you don’t know until you actually try.
 
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haqq777

Legend
I get you, no doubt.

I’ve stated it several times on this forum - competitive tennis, i.e. playing and winning best of three/five is not what I’m playing tennis for. I played top level football(and futsal) from the age of 5 until 28-29, training at least 3 times a week and playing top matches, tournaments, international tournaments (winning quite a few, some with individual awards as well). Working hard, diet, no alcohol or teenage stuff(disco, girls...), off season training camps... I mean the whole nine yards. Tennis is different. It’s an art and a form of expression for me. Like painting a picture or playing music. I like all the aspects of it - technical and physical. I just don’t need that competitive element anymore. Not that I can’t stand it, I’ll happily oblige any challenger, it’s just that my motivations are different.

Now back to your last post: I spent most of the last clay season back home playing against really good clay court players. The guy I train with the most is one of the best players on a recreational level around there, a regular tournament winner. It’s because of him I’ve switched to TC100 in the first place since I couldn’t keep up with him -on clay - with my TC97 18x20 and, most importantly, my hard court game. I got better on clay, much better in fact, and also thanks to the TC100 I’m beating him 90% of the time. Not only set-play, even in super tiebreaks and other tennis exercises involving point play. I know I play good tennis with TC100 and I know I could get even better if I play with it even more. How much better? I don’t really care, honestly. All I know is I’m not enjoying myself on the court as I would with something else in my hand and it does bother me. It’s only fair to say that this conclusion happened mainly thanks to the TC100 experience. That frame is an absolute beast and I’ll keep recommending it anywhere I go.

It goes both ways, obviously. I’m curious what I’ll think once I switch back to TC97 once the next outdoor clay season starts. It’s possible I’ll be thinking about the TC100 much more than I’d expect right now. That’s what experiments are for...you don’t know until you actually try.
Great feedback in your last few posts. Its bittersweet in a way, completely understand your sentiment however. What TC97 (specs/pattern etc) do you play with normally?
 

zalive

Hall of Fame
I get you, no doubt.

I’ve stated it several times on this forum - competitive tennis, i.e. playing and winning best of three/five is not what I’m playing tennis for. I played top level football(and futsal) from the age of 5 until 28-29, training at least 3 times a week and playing top matches, tournaments, international tournaments (winning quite a few, some with individual awards as well). Working hard, diet, no alcohol or teenage stuff(disco, girls...), off season training camps... I mean the whole nine yards. Tennis is different. It’s an art and a form of expression for me. Like painting a picture or playing music. I like all the aspects of it - technical and physical. I just don’t need that competitive element anymore. Not that I can’t stand it, I’ll happily oblige any challenger, it’s just that my motivations are different.

Now back to your last post: I spent most of the last clay season back home playing against really good clay court players. The guy I train with the most is one of the best players on a recreational level around there, a regular tournament winner. It’s because of him I’ve switched to TC100 in the first place since I couldn’t keep up with him -on clay - with my TC97 18x20 and, most importantly, my hard court game. I got better on clay, much better in fact, and also thanks to the TC100 I’m beating him 90% of the time. Not only set-play, even in super tiebreaks and other tennis exercises involving point play. I know I play good tennis with TC100 and I know I could get even better if I play with it even more. How much better? I don’t really care, honestly. All I know is I’m not enjoying myself on the court as I would with something else in my hand and it does bother me. It’s only fair to say that this conclusion happened mainly thanks to the TC100 experience. That frame is an absolute beast and I’ll keep recommending it anywhere I go.

It goes both ways, obviously. I’m curious what I’ll think once I switch back to TC97 once the next outdoor clay season starts. It’s possible I’ll be thinking about the TC100 much more than I’d expect right now. That’s what experiments are for...you don’t know until you actually try.
One unique gentleman you are, but this is what humanity should be really about :)
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Great feedback in your last few posts. Its bittersweet in a way, completely understand your sentiment however. What TC97 (specs/pattern etc) do you play with normally?
Thanks, it’s good to properly re-assess every once in a while. I play with TC97 18x20 that was stock 320/310 but I have some lead at 3/9 countered at the bottom of the grip. Not sure what the final specs are but I will be replacing the pallets next year (going from B3 to B4 with size 5 butt cap - again, thanks to TC100) so I’ll measure it/have it measured after all is done.
 

matchpoint9

Rookie
I'm new to Angell racquets. I have 2 TC95s 16x19, 330g/305mm (11.7oz/12pts HL), 70 RA. I added about 4 grams of lead on the sides to add some plow through. I really enjoy them over my RF97A particularly from maneuverability standpoint. I can't help but wonder how the 63RA plays. I know it's been discussed previously, but -- how different is it vs the 70RA in terms of feel? Does it make sense to have both racquets in the bag, i.e. use the 63RA for singles and the 70 for doubles? Since I added some weight to my TC95, I'm guessing the swingweight is higher and would probably be similar to 63RA TC95 with the same specs? Many thanks in advance.
 

Kozzy

Semi-Pro
Apparently the guy was somehow in cahoots with Head Finest Calfskin in the past for the pro scene. If this is what those grips are like I can see why it is the go to for all professional players, I can't wait to put it on my frames and play with it.
Played a few sets tonight with the Oehms grips - just amazing. The absolute most perfect grip I've used - just as comfortable as with an overgrip, but even better feel in the hand.
 

ed70

Professional
So now I have found a setup that works with the 16x19 95 I don't think I will be able to go back to the 18x20 97, just super solid and soft on all strokes in comparison and the backhands are to die for...

Think I am going to sell the 97 and buy either a:

16m TC97
TC90 or
TC100

I think I want the TC100 the least of all as I love the precision of the 95 frames I have always gravitated towards, do you think it is missing that much compared to the 95? I hit the 95 with a heap of power so that isn't really a concern. I used the Pure aero and it was like using a mallet, no feel and no control so have kind of gone away from larger frames since.

I would love to try the 97 with a less dense pattern and gut but the TC90 may be the holy grail if it maintains the power of the 95 but worried about a smaller sweetspot and smaller head limiting long term enjoyment. Might be a good option for training consistency on though with the same specs as my 95 and then using the 95 for more competitive play after being heavily dialled in?

To be honest I haven't enjoyed tennis this much in more than a decade and that is after injuries and time off.
I went through a period of time swapping and changing, at some point you have to stick with one and play for 3 months or so with it. Maybe the TC 95 isn’t the one for you and not as good a fit as you are saying, if you are still looking at other angell’s!
The 16x19 tc97 has a different feel to the 95, has lower launch angle and lower SW. I doubt if you actually do like the 95 so much that the 97 16x19 will blow you away.
 

letplaytennis

Semi-Pro
I'm new to Angell racquets. I have 2 TC95s 16x19, 330g/305mm (11.7oz/12pts HL), 70 RA. I added about 4 grams of lead on the sides to add some plow through. I really enjoy them over my RF97A particularly from maneuverability standpoint. I can't help but wonder how the 63RA plays. I know it's been discussed previously, but -- how different is it vs the 70RA in terms of feel? Does it make sense to have both racquets in the bag, i.e. use the 63RA for singles and the 70 for doubles? Since I added some weight to my TC95, I'm guessing the swingweight is higher and would probably be similar to 63RA TC95 with the same specs? Many thanks in advance.
I'm currently playing with a RF97A and would like to make the switch to an Angell 97 in the spring. Why did you decide to go with the 95?

Looking at Angell's website and racket selection, I'm confused as to the one that I want. I've been reading this thread for a few weeks now, starting with the most recent post and working backwards, and I still don't know. I've exchanged a few emails with Paul this week and I'll continue to do research.

How differently does the 95 play vs the 97?

I've always played with a PS90 up until this year when I switched to the RF97A. I really enjoy playing with the racket, but there's just something that still doesn't feel right. I guess I just need to bite the bullet, place an order, play with an Angell and if I don't like it sell it for a nominal loss.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I'm currently playing with a RF97A and would like to make the switch to an Angell 97 in the spring. Why did you decide to go with the 95?

Looking at Angell's website and racket selection, I'm confused as to the one that I want. I've been reading this thread for a few weeks now, starting with the most recent post and working backwards, and I still don't know. I've exchanged a few emails with Paul this week and I'll continue to do research.

How differently does the 95 play vs the 97?

I've always played with a PS90 up until this year when I switched to the RF97A. I really enjoy playing with the racket, but there's just something that still doesn't feel right. I guess I just need to bite the bullet, place an order, play with an Angell and if I don't like it sell it for a nominal loss.
For me, TC97 (18x20) feels closer to PS90 than TC95 63RA (18x20). Feels, not plays. Play-wise TC95 63RA(18x20) is a bit closer but only a bit and that’s not that close at all. Maybe the 70RA version in 16x19 would be the closest bet(based on how TC90 feels and plays) but I don’t have personal experience to support this theory.
 

clutch21

Rookie
I'm stringing a new TC100 with Champion's Choice for a friend with gut in the mains. Anyone have any recommendations on tension in this set up? When full bed poly he usually strings in the mid 40s.
 
Trying a hybrid in my TC97 18x20...actually re-trying. I got it used here on the boards earlier this year. First few sessions were Amazing in comparison to my TC95! It had a hybrid of Prince premier control mains and Tourna Big hitter silver in the crosses. I cut those out and started experimenting with the usual suspects=full bed Silver string, Lyon,cylone, hawk....I was missing the control/feel that I had on my first tests with the racket upon arrival.
So now I have gone back to a similar hybrid 50/48lbs and am enjoying it. I had never used poly as a cross for multi. Also, I went back to .16 gauge. No dampener. I may bump up the tension next time.
I used the other half of the strings to put on my TC95 18x20 63RA in reverse configuration(poly mains). The results were shocking! very stable.

How differently does the 95 play vs the 97?
Like on a scale of 1 to 10?

This has been discussed here in great detail if you look back. I will just say they are very different in feel. 97 is crisp and predictable. Great feedback and sound. I feel there is greater potential for put away winners with the 95. Its more muted. My topspin shots jump up more with the 95 according to my hitting partner. I'm still more wild on my groundies with the 95. The 95 has another gear on the serve but you must hit it cleanly to unlock the goods. I can hit spots in the service box better with 97. They both are wonderful at net! I prefer the 97 on volleys in general but I hit my best forehand volley of my life with the 95.
@letplaytennis keep searching this thread. There is a wealth of knowledge from real Angell users who so graciously share their experiences with us. Also, get in touch with Paul. He can help find a model that seems right for you. Can you believe you can actually communicate with the the guy who's name is on the racket?
 

Faris

Professional
I'm stringing a new TC100 with Champion's Choice for a friend with gut in the mains. Anyone have any recommendations on tension in this set up? When full bed poly he usually strings in the mid 40s.
I feel tht TC100 plays superb full poly with low powered poly...gut mains made it way too lively for me...harder to control..I would def string gut mains in high fifties for me and poly at around 48-50lbs mark...but that is jist me not sure how your friend plays etc so cant say for certain..
 

letplaytennis

Semi-Pro
Trying a hybrid in my TC97 18x20...actually re-trying. I got it used here on the boards earlier this year. First few sessions were Amazing in comparison to my TC95! It had a hybrid of Prince premier control mains and Tourna Big hitter silver in the crosses. I cut those out and started experimenting with the usual suspects=full bed Silver string, Lyon,cylone, hawk....I was missing the control/feel that I had on my first tests with the racket upon arrival.
So now I have gone back to a similar hybrid 50/48lbs and am enjoying it. I had never used poly as a cross for multi. Also, I went back to .16 gauge. No dampener. I may bump up the tension next time.
I used the other half of the strings to put on my TC95 18x20 63RA in reverse configuration(poly mains). The results were shocking! very stable.


Like on a scale of 1 to 10?

This has been discussed here in great detail if you look back. I will just say they are very different in feel. 97 is crisp and predictable. Great feedback and sound. I feel there is greater potential for put away winners with the 95. Its more muted. My topspin shots jump up more with the 95 according to my hitting partner. I'm still more wild on my groundies with the 95. The 95 has another gear on the serve but you must hit it cleanly to unlock the goods. I can hit spots in the service box better with 97. They both are wonderful at net! I prefer the 97 on volleys in general but I hit my best forehand volley of my life with the 95.
@letplaytennis keep searching this thread. There is a wealth of knowledge from real Angell users who so graciously share their experiences with us. Also, get in touch with Paul. He can help find a model that seems right for you. Can you believe you can actually communicate with the the guy who's name is on the racket?
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question even though it was already discussed. There's so many pages to go through that makes it difficult. It would be wonderful to compile a relatively brief post (or sticky) related to some questions that are found within this entire thread.

I've already began talking with Paul via email. I hope to settle on a configuration that would suit me.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I get you. But for the sake of discussion here's what I fully meant.

Well but the way I formulated it is tricky. Your best tennis. It's not necessary the tennis that win you most points, games and sets, as sometimes ugly tennis can give you that, but it's not necessary your best tennis - one can play tennis which is best to him, but also win by bringing his opponents game down by playing ugly tennis, so it's not that your better tennis won the game, it's opponent's worse tennis that brought you the victory. But I here consider playing beautiful strokes, full, fast, spinny, attacking, deep etc. And as much as I do indeed understand satisfaction factor from hitting the ball with certain racquet, I also doubt there are much players who wouldn't love it to play their best tennis. So it's not even about the score, it's about raising personal game.

I understand you currently don't enjoy TC100, but let's say hypothetically you achieve to adjust to this racquet so much that you start to play natural, spontaneous shots with it in a way you currently play with some other racquets, only those shots are yet heavier and dangerous...if this is the potential, to reach actually enjoying hitting with it, would that be worth an adjustment period?

However, one year time is pretty long, I'm curious to hear if you will feel the same in half a year...
One more thing that is probably the most important factor regarding my current sentiments towards TC100:

I think lower swing speeds and overall checked-back tennis (holding back 50% percent on almost every shot) I’ve been playing in the past month or so is not doing TC100 any favors. I recall it with TC95 as well, that “D” shaped beam simply feels best in all-out hitting. I’m quite sure I didn’t have any of these recent sentiments back home when I was hitting a ball like it’s supposed to be hit.

So, as good as a good cathartic moment might feel, I’ll try to remain scientifically skeptic in order to not miss and improperly assess any of my findings:)

In plain words - all I can be sure of is that I don’t like the feel of TC100 in lower speeds and lower level tennis.
 
I'm currently playing with a RF97A and would like to make the switch to an Angell 97 in the spring. Why did you decide to go with the 95?

Looking at Angell's website and racket selection, I'm confused as to the one that I want. I've been reading this thread for a few weeks now, starting with the most recent post and working backwards, and I still don't know. I've exchanged a few emails with Paul this week and I'll continue to do research.

How differently does the 95 play vs the 97?

I've always played with a PS90 up until this year when I switched to the RF97A. I really enjoy playing with the racket, but there's just something that still doesn't feel right. I guess I just need to bite the bullet, place an order, play with an Angell and if I don't like it sell it for a nominal loss.
The Tc95 does have a more classic prostaff vibe to it (also its own thing too, kicks like a mule)... It was hitting with a PS85 that lead me to seeking a new frame that had that level of pinpoint authority on backhands and forehands... serves too. Thing is the PS85 was always a tad stiff feeling for me... my TC95's are the flexy version and still are far forgiving than a ps85. Where the tc95 is different than the Ps85 ois its a better returners stick and has way more spin potential... especially with lower tension poly. It is a beast stick. TC97 like the RF97 has a bit more in common with the prestige MP's.

What's so great about the TC95 is you can play 1st strike tennis or play a more patient game... the level of spin just lets you hit 75% power and still get lots of "forced" unforced errors because it is just such a heavy ball. One of the greatest serving sticks Ive ever used.

So now I have found a setup that works with the 16x19 95 I don't think I will be able to go back to the 18x20 97, just super solid and soft on all strokes in comparison and the backhands are to die for...

Think I am going to sell the 97 and buy either a:

16m TC97
TC90 or
TC100

I think I want the TC100 the least of all as I love the precision of the 95 frames I have always gravitated towards, do you think it is missing that much compared to the 95? I hit the 95 with a heap of power so that isn't really a concern. I used the Pure aero and it was like using a mallet, no feel and no control so have kind of gone away from larger frames since.

I would love to try the 97 with a less dense pattern and gut but the TC90 may be the holy grail if it maintains the power of the 95 but worried about a smaller sweetspot and smaller head limiting long term enjoyment. Might be a good option for training consistency on though with the same specs as my 95 and then using the 95 for more competitive play after being heavily dialled in?

To be honest I haven't enjoyed tennis this much in more than a decade and that is after injuries and time off.
Im with you... I like the TC100 a lot but my game really depends one one thing... enjoying hitting the ball and some of the amazing shots I have in my arsenal. Ive got that running edberg backhand, the wawrinka inside out backhand and those fun Sampras style dtl hammer forehands (2 of those players were ps85 players, my biggest drawback as a player is my brain, I tend to overthink so just swinging properly is the antidote... I dont want to think while playing). Im not some impatient player and I play a a pretty high level against former WTA hitting partners. I just like the relaxed feeling I now have of knowing that anything that isnt deep and or sits up is a ball that will be punished. I hit winners by being relaxed not by trying to hit winners. TC95 has helped me flow better as a player and I just concentrate on playing each point well... playing tennis Im proud of. My main hitting partner uses the TC100 and loves it but I play shotmaker tennis, he's a tricky lefty with a huge second serve (better than most player's 1st's) and an amazing slice backhand (keeping it low so I cant deploy my topspin BH).
 
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zalive

Hall of Fame
One more thing that is probably the most important factor regarding my current sentiments towards TC100:

I think lower swing speeds and overall checked-back tennis (holding back 50% percent on almost every shot) I’ve been playing in the past month or so is not doing TC100 any favors. I recall it with TC95 as well, that “D” shaped beam simply feels best in all-out hitting. I’m quite sure I didn’t have any of these recent sentiments back home when I was hitting a ball like it’s supposed to be hit.

So, as good as a good cathartic moment might feel, I’ll try to remain scientifically skeptic in order to not miss and improperly assess any of my findings:)

In plain words - all I can be sure of is that I don’t like the feel of TC100 in lower speeds and lower level tennis.
I'm not sure if this plays some role to you too, but I've read here, someone wrote TC100 and/or TC95 63 RA feel flexier the faster you swing them. It's firm feel is resreved for slower swing hits, this is where this racquet, frankly, feels bit stiffish. Not PD stiff but still stiff. Say, it feels like 66 RA. But once you swing them faster and hit the ball harder flex kicks in more and everything feels much better. This is kind of specific to TC100 63 RA, IME, I didn't yet play with any other racquet which is quite similar to this.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I'm not sure if this plays some role to you too, but I've read here, someone wrote TC100 and/or TC95 63 RA feel flexier the faster you swing them. It's firm feel is resreved for slower swing hits, this is where this racquet, frankly, feels bit stiffish. Not PD stiff but still stiff. Say, it feels like 66 RA. But once you swing them faster and hit the ball harder flex kicks in more and everything feels much better. This is kind of specific to TC100 63 RA, IME, I didn't yet play with any other racquet which is quite similar to this.
I feel it the same way, too. First time I experienced it was when I tried to demonstrate a Del Potro forehand with 63RA TC95. It felt like that Fischer “magnetic speed” magnets gimmick should have - I felt the frame go apart at 3/9 only to snap back when releasing the ball off the stringbed. Just wow.

I guess this is it - the lower speeds, higher SW of the 63RA Tc100 harder to manage at slower speeds(requiring stronger wrist unless you adjust and hit real flat) plus really, I mean really soft balls. All this contributed to the overall unpleasant sensation.

Plus RS Lyon in the TC100 I have with me might be nearing the end of its life...not helping, I guess.
 
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stephenclown

Professional
I went through a period of time swapping and changing, at some point you have to stick with one and play for 3 months or so with it. Maybe the TC 95 isn’t the one for you and not as good a fit as you are saying, if you are still looking at other angell’s!
The 16x19 tc97 has a different feel to the 95, has lower launch angle and lower SW. I doubt if you actually do like the 95 so much that the 97 16x19 will blow you away.
Yeah I agree it is a bit different and choosing and swapping seems like fun at the moment, just feels natural with the 95 now. I will be picking up the TC90 as a fun stick to play around with and use it alongside my 95 and have them matched. I think the 97 will be much into the future if I need a bit more control and lower launch angle but at the moment this seems to be perfect!

*Edit - also got the serve dialled in with the 95 and it is phenomenal, the power and precision on the second serve is amazing. I think I need this lower flex at the moment and giving it more chances was definitely worth it. Just so different to every other frame I have used so took a bit to get used to its flex and feel.
 
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Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I checked my mail today and guess what I found? @haqqani1777 sent me some strings to try. What a cool guy!

I agree... very cool of @haqqani1777 to do that... thumbs up...

Let us know what your thoughts are on the strings @topspn ... I have the same strings, but due to a series of progressing right arm issues, I haven't been able to test them or any of my "new" racquets... Very Frustrated!!! ... and trying to not develop the same problems as @haqqani1777 on his sabbatical... ie purchasing lots of new gear...
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Strung my TC100 70RA with MSV Focus Ultra. A little bit stiff and boardy in this frame, no magic of Co-Focus. Seems softer strings suites this frame way better. I need try YPTP and RS Lyon.
 
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