The Official Angell Users Club

danbrenner

Hall of Fame
This line of sticks looks so intriguing. Looks like a quality product. I just wouldn't feel comfortable buying and building without being present at their shop to get a hands on feel, especially given all the variables like grip shape etc. So does this brand have a shop in the NY area?
 

unclenimrod

Rookie
Another TC95 user here. Was gifted a prostaff Rf97...it is definitely more stable but I play much better w the tc95. Not to mention I already have chips in the paint after three matches w the RF97...and after about twenty sets on the TC95...paint is like new. How does Paul do that?!
 

PigPen

Semi-Pro
This line of sticks looks so intriguing. Looks like a quality product. I just wouldn't feel comfortable buying and building without being present at their shop to get a hands on feel, especially given all the variables like grip shape etc. So does this brand have a shop in the NY area?
It has an excellent feel. There are no shops or demos. The target market is for people who know their specs. However, Paul Angell is quite accommodating when asked questions about his products or matching up a player with the appropriate racket. If you were to call or email Paul, I am sure he could set you up with specs that would work for you.
 

Soundbyte

Professional
I have 2 TC95s coming my way to add my to me 2 TC97s. I'll be swapping out the pallets and moving the balance to match my TC97s. 27.25" 320g 12 pts HL. Interesting to see how the 63RA TC95 feels against the 66RA TC97
 

StanAO14

Rookie
I have 2 TC95s coming my way to add my to me 2 TC97s. I'll be swapping out the pallets and moving the balance to match my TC97s. 27.25" 320g 12 pts HL. Interesting to see how the 63RA TC95 feels against the 66RA TC97
Nice!
No you have the obligation to make and write down a detailed comparison between the two. Interested in difference in comfort level and power (Tc 95 lower flex but higher swing weight):)
 

PeteUK

New User
Currently got a 310g 63ra tc95, considering getting a 320g next year for a bit more power but I would be interested to know how the tc97 compares. I do like the precision of the 95 with the flexier frame but would like a bit more power. Although I probably should play around with strings and tensions a bit more first I like to treat myself to new toys.
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
Currently got a 310g 63ra tc95, considering getting a 320g next year for a bit more power but I would be interested to know how the tc97 compares. I do like the precision of the 95 with the flexier frame but would like a bit more power. Although I probably should play around with strings and tensions a bit more first I like to treat myself to new toys.
I'm in the same boat Pete. I like new toys but should probably experiment with my TC95 more before I drop down the cash for a TC97. Need to spend 1/2 a season playing with various strings.
 

PeteUK

New User
I'm considering a switch to a TC97 in the new year, kind of fancy the slightly bigger head size for when I have off days (like last night) and the box beam for the feel and power potential at a higher weight. Maybe even some extra length at 27.25 as that always felt useful on the serve with my old pro staff 100l.

Will have to speak to Paul next month to discuss a few things and narrow down my spec, in the meantime I'll have a look at the various reviews and see what's what.
 
yeah I hit with my old prince speedport tour 97 yesterday... way more power than my pacific but fun to hit with in cold weather but I missed the precision. I still feel like the TC95 is the only option out there that is flexy and precision enough. Basically everything feels more powerful than my pacific anyways. I hit so many easy winners with the speedport tour 97 but in 49 degree weather and balls that dont bounce much the Pacific really made me work (which I kinda like... still more winners is nice). BTW that Prince has a "D" shape beam cross section like the TC95... I like how it feels. I can order my Angell, have it under the tree and see how it matches up with my game in these cold months. That's my plan.
 
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Soundbyte

Professional
I just got my "used" TC95s today (they're really brand new as far as I can tell). I swapped out the pallets that I cut to 27.25 and 27.5 earlier today. Surprisingly easy to do with just a solid knife, ruler, and some time. I know it sounds stupid, but you never realize just how small 0.25" inch is until you are trimming pallets to length. Seems almost crazy how much of a difference that can make (maybe its all mental?)

The new paintjob of the TC97 (my current frame) is, in my opinion, leaps and bounds better than the TC95. Not that the old style is bad, but the new paintjob is just so sharp and crisp looking.
 

maured01

New User
Try TF Razor Code 18 for a plush feel and an amazing amount of ball pocketing. it took some courage to drop tension below 45 lbs but the TC95 at this tension is the only racquet I have ever played that allows me to play 3 or 4 days in a row for 3 hours a day with no forearm pain.
 

DamoUK

New User
Nice collection there Damo. All the same spec? Which?
Hi there
all are TC97 - 330g (350-352g strung with OG and smiley dampner) - 12pHL balance - C3 Grip - 66RA -
Im still testing diff strings and tensions to find my perfect set up as i did in my TC95s so that i can give these bats a proper go in some matches..but so far im loving the feel on them, controls not been an issue, forehand still has access to insane spin and angles, my SHTBH is firing at 75% at mo(takes longer to adjust to s/thing new!), volleys are defo easier, and OMG im not sure ive ever hit so many clean aces or body slammers in my life before!! i really liked serving with my 95s but I LOVE serving with these badboys (",) - Am happy i made the switch as it suits what i need but there is an adjustment period if you are moving from the TC95 to this, as you have a little more free access to power but how i look at it so far is that ive not lost any control so more power cant be a bad thing right?
 

DamoUK

New User
I love the stencil in those. I like how you put smaller A's at the top rather than the standard front-n-center.
thanks, yeah i put in the middle on my first racket and within 20mins it had disapeared totally, works fine at the top- i made it out of a Head Stencil as it fits just underneath quite handily, so it is now a 2 in 1 stencil (saving the environment an all that!) (",)
 

smirker

Hall of Fame
Hi there
all are TC97 - 330g (350-352g strung with OG and smiley dampner) - 12pHL balance - C3 Grip - 66RA -
Im still testing diff strings and tensions to find my perfect set up as i did in my TC95s so that i can give these bats a proper go in some matches..but so far im loving the feel on them, controls not been an issue, forehand still has access to insane spin and angles, my SHTBH is firing at 75% at mo(takes longer to adjust to s/thing new!), volleys are defo easier, and OMG im not sure ive ever hit so many clean aces or body slammers in my life before!! i really liked serving with my 95s but I LOVE serving with these badboys (",) - Am happy i made the switch as it suits what i need but there is an adjustment period if you are moving from the TC95 to this, as you have a little more free access to power but how i look at it so far is that ive not lost any control so more power cant be a bad thing right?
Only ever dabbled with Vantage/Angell. Hit with both variants of the 95, the 100 on an extended demo and the Bastcore BC20. Never taken the plunge and bought one though. Highly tempted to buy a TC97 though in a lighter spec than yours. Will contact Paul to see if I can get a demo as I live about 5 miles from where he is based. See surprisingly few Angell rackets locally.
 

supineAnimation

Hall of Fame
Yea 330g 10hl sounds good.
There is no Wilson shape - there is HEAD TK82 shape (B - 2:3 ratio) and Prince shape (C - 1:1 equal sides). I did make my B handles feel very similar to Wilson, by adding material on longer flat sides to make handle more square.

Also, which stiffness for TC95?
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but I've searched the forums and haven't found the answer: which Angell grip choice would match the grip shape of my YouTek Prestige Pros? Nearly convinced myself to shell out the cash for a custom TC97, so I want to try to get it to match my current frames as closely as I can. Thanks in advance.
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but I've searched the forums and haven't found the answer: which Angell grip choice would match the grip shape of my YouTek Prestige Pros? Nearly convinced myself to shell out the cash for a custom TC97, so I want to try to get it to match my current frames as closely as I can. Thanks in advance.
A, the rectangular grip.
 

morten

Hall of Fame
Are they the same a Vantage? Never really liked the 90v i got... And how would you compare a tc95 to the Wilson sixone series ?
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but I've searched the forums and haven't found the answer: which Angell grip choice would match the grip shape of my YouTek Prestige Pros? Nearly convinced myself to shell out the cash for a custom TC97, so I want to try to get it to match my current frames as closely as I can. Thanks in advance.
Actually, the B shape grip would be a close match to the modern TK82 Head pallets.
I think the A shape is more akin to the Volkl pallet shape.
 
Are they the same a Vantage? Never really liked the 90v i got... And how would you compare a tc95 to the Wilson sixone series ?
yeah same as Vantage. Competition for the sixone series to be sure but if you hated the feel of the Vantage 90 (same as TC90) I doubt the TC95 would please you... if its a power issue maybe you would like the TC95, but the feel of the TC90 and 95 should be familial and similar. There are others here who can hopefully chime in on the comparison to sixones.
 

supineAnimation

Hall of Fame
Actually, the B shape grip would be a close match to the modern TK82 Head pallets.
I think the A shape is more akin to the Volkl pallet shape.
Thanks.

A general question for anyone that has dealt with Angell: how long did it take for Paul to get back to you after you contacted him through the angelltennis website?
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
Thanks.

A general question for anyone that has dealt with Angell: how long did it take for Paul to get back to you after you contacted him through the angelltennis website?
A while. Probably a week each time I contacted him. Increased Angell popularity along with the launch of the TC97 has Paul very busy.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Thanks.

A general question for anyone that has dealt with Angell: how long did it take for Paul to get back to you after you contacted him through the angelltennis website?
It depends. Sometimes it's been a few hours. Other times it was a few days.
Considering it's Paul himself replying, I give a lot of flexibility regarding timeliness. He once wrote me when he was physically at the plant overseeing raw frame manufacturing.
 

supineAnimation

Hall of Fame
A while. Probably a week each time I contacted him. Increased Angell popularity along with the launch of the TC97 has Paul very busy.
He got back to me within 3 days with a very polite and substantive response that indicated that he read my email carefully and actually gave significant thought to his answers. Can't imagine getting that kind of engagement from one of the major racquet companies (although I realize that's kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison).

I'm pretty much sold on ordering a custom TC97. My only concern is really that the weather where I am recently turned (after 75 degree weather in late December) and I don't know how much I'd be able to try out the racquet these days. So I may wait until spring, but I'm almost definitely getting at least one.
 

Bogdan_TT

Professional
Probably a question for Paul. I don't really care to see the plant myself. I just know what comes out of there and what ends up in my hands are exactly what I want.
By the way... Where is the plant? China or Japan? He sais on the website that the carbon used is Japanese. But it doesn't say if it's made in Japan or China.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
No clue. My guess is China.
I wouldn't be so sure because he doesn't have the numbers to mass produce like Wilson and ship to the UK for final assembly. I would not be surprised at all if it is the UK. A Chinese factory would need large numbers for the cost efficiencies.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
I wouldn't be so sure because he doesn't have the numbers to mass produce like Wilson and ship to the UK for final assembly. I would not be surprised at all if it is the UK. A Chinese factory would need large numbers for the cost efficiencies.
no argument here. but Chinese manufacturers are sort of like "co packers" found anywhere in the world that make similar products for different brands. paul wouldn't be the only line in production so it wouldn't surprise me if it were China.
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
He got back to me within 3 days with a very polite and substantive response that indicated that he read my email carefully and actually gave significant thought to his answers. Can't imagine getting that kind of engagement from one of the major racquet companies (although I realize that's kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison).

I'm pretty much sold on ordering a custom TC97. My only concern is really that the weather where I am recently turned (after 75 degree weather in late December) and I don't know how much I'd be able to try out the racquet these days. So I may wait until spring, but I'm almost definitely getting at least one.
I didn't mean to indicate that Paul didn't care, just that he's busy and it takes time to get a response, especially because (as you said) he actually takes the time to give full answers and give advice.

The recent weather change here has me sad as well. 71 degrees Christmas Eve, I get a new PS85, temperatures are now 9 degrees. Guess I gotta wait till Spring.
 

supineAnimation

Hall of Fame
I didn't mean to indicate that Paul didn't care, just that he's busy and it takes time to get a response, especially because (as you said) he actually takes the time to give full answers and give advice.

The recent weather change here has me sad as well. 71 degrees Christmas Eve, I get a new PS85, temperatures are now 9 degrees. Guess I gotta wait till Spring.
I didn't think that; I just wanted to let people know how quickly and substantively he responded. We've exchanged a few emails already today.

Yeah, I'm in Philly, so I shouldn't be acting like the teens in early January are bumming me out when it was ridiculously (and somewhat alarmingly) warm the last few weeks here. But from a tennis junkie standpoint I was diggin being able to hit outside in shorts and a t-shirt a couple days before Christmas.
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
I didn't think that; I just wanted to let people know how quickly and substantively he responded. We've exchanged a few emails already today.

Yeah, I'm in Philly, so I shouldn't be acting like the teens in early January are bumming me out when it was ridiculously (and somewhat alarmingly) warm the last few weeks here. But from a tennis junkie standpoint I was diggin being able to hit outside in shorts and a t-shirt a couple days before Christmas.
I'm about an hour outside Philly. Temps sure have dropped.
 

JohnBPittsburgh

Hall of Fame
We should definitely meet up in the spring, I will take you all down with the power of the TC-100!!! Lol, it would be fun to have a TT doubles match, or a tournament!! I would be up for an Angell only tournament, and I love road trips!
 

supineAnimation

Hall of Fame
So maybe you guys can help me with this. I'm trying to figure out which weight/balance option to choose from the Angell racket builder selection form to be able to match my preferred specs as closely as I can. I don't want to keep bugging Paul if I don't have to.

My favorite YTPP has a strung swingweight of 326 (by way of the iPhone app), a static strung weight of 360g (with an overgrip, a thin synthetic grip that I swapped out for the leather grip, some lead at 3 and 9, and some lead tape and cotton in the handle) and 7pts HL when strung.

I added 2g of lead to each side of the hoop at 3 and 9 for a total of 4 grams of lead to stabilize the head a bit at impact, particularly the torsion stability. I've done that for most of the racquets I've used over the years, and I have no issue with adding lead to the hoop of the TC97, if need be, but also no real compulsion to add it if it doesn't feel like it needs it. I also glued some squares of lead to the underside of my YTPP's buttcap and filled the handle with cotton to get to those specs. I assume the TC97 handles are filled with something already, but again, I don't mind having to add some lead to the underside of the buttcap of the TC97 and I don't mind not doing it. I only added it to my YTPP to counterbalance the lead at 3 and 9. I just want to be able to get the TC97 I order, one way or another, to match these specs as closely as possible.

So my question would be which weight/balance option to choose when I order the TC97? Here's a link to the Angell racket builder selection form: http://www.angelltennis.com/racket-config/?configurator_id=562f75eb69c7a&product_id=875 in case you forgot what the options are. Thanks in advance.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
So maybe you guys can help me with this. I'm trying to figure out which weight/balance option to choose from the Angell racket builder selection form to be able to match my preferred specs as closely as I can. I don't want to keep bugging Paul if I don't have to.

My favorite YTPP has a strung swingweight of 326 (by way of the iPhone app), a static strung weight of 360g (with an overgrip, a thin synthetic grip that I swapped out for the leather grip, some lead at 3 and 9, and some lead tape and cotton in the handle) and 7pts HL when strung.

I added 2g of lead to each side of the hoop at 3 and 9 for a total of 4 grams of lead to stabilize the head a bit at impact, particularly the torsion stability. I've done that for most of the racquets I've used over the years, and I have no issue with adding lead to the hoop of the TC97, if need be, but also no real compulsion to add it if it doesn't feel like it needs it. I also glued some squares of lead to the underside of my YTPP's buttcap and filled the handle with cotton to get to those specs. I assume the TC97 handles are filled with something already, but again, I don't mind having to add some lead to the underside of the buttcap of the TC97 and I don't mind not doing it. I only added it to my YTPP to counterbalance the lead at 3 and 9. I just want to be able to get the TC97 I order, one way or another, to match these specs as closely as possible.

So my question would be which weight/balance option to choose when I order the TC97? Here's a link to the Angell racket builder selection form: http://www.angelltennis.com/racket-config/?configurator_id=562f75eb69c7a&product_id=875 in case you forgot what the options are. Thanks in advance.
So I play my TC97s at 350g/10pts HL. I add one Wilson OG, string and rubber band. This is a stock frame order of 330g/12pts HL with leather grip from Angell. The swingweight works out to something in the mid to high 320s. Similar to yours.
If you wanted to hit your static weight of 360g and 7 pts HL, you would probably still need to add lead at both ends. The hairpin is filled with foam so no cotton balls. More likely a few grams of either bluetak in the trapdoor or some under the grip at the hand. Or, maybe some lead at the throat to simply increase weight and keep the balance.

However, I think if you asked Paul to hit a raw frame weight of 340g or 345g, he can probably do it.
 

supineAnimation

Hall of Fame
So I play my TC97s at 350g/10pts HL. I add one Wilson OG, string and rubber band. This is a stock frame order of 330g/12pts HL with leather grip from Angell. The swingweight works out to something in the mid to high 320s. Similar to yours.
If you wanted to hit your static weight of 360g and 7 pts HL, you would probably still need to add lead at both ends. The hairpin is filled with foam so no cotton balls. More likely a few grams of either bluetak in the trapdoor or some under the grip at the hand. Or, maybe some lead at the throat to simply increase weight and keep the balance.

However, I think if you asked Paul to hit a raw frame weight of 340g or 345g, he can probably do it.
So this is what Paul responded to these questions yesterday and I'm not sure what to make of it exactly and, more to the point, which option I should choose from those options on the racket builder page:

As you already know, the highest weight we offer on the site is 330g which would be approximately 345g, 325 SW and 9pts HL when strung. Adding the over grip won't affect the SW but to counter balance with lead at 3 and 9 will definitely increase it to beyond 330. Do you use the lead to stabilise your current frame or is it purely to increase weight?

I explained that I added the 4 total grams at 3 and 9, filled the handle with cotton and glued some squares of lead tape the underside of the buttcap to balance out the lead in the hoop. He hasn't responded yet - which is fine, it's been less than a day - and I know he's probably super busy, so I thought maybe you guys could help instead. If I choose the 330g unstrung weight/315mm balance option, and then add 4 grams at 3 and 9, would that be the best option to get closest to 360g strung, 7ptsHL and a swingweight of ~326? Or would it be better to choose the 320g/320mm option and then add lead at 3 and 9 and under the buttcap?
 

teekaywhy

Professional
So this is what Paul responded to these questions yesterday and I'm not sure what to make of it exactly and, more to the point, which option I should choose from those options on the racket builder page:

As you already know, the highest weight we offer on the site is 330g which would be approximately 345g, 325 SW and 9pts HL when strung. Adding the over grip won't affect the SW but to counter balance with lead at 3 and 9 will definitely increase it to beyond 330. Do you use the lead to stabilise your current frame or is it purely to increase weight?

I explained that I added the 4 total grams at 3 and 9, filled the handle with cotton and glued some squares of lead tape the underside of the buttcap to balance out the lead in the hoop. He hasn't responded yet - which is fine, it's been less than a day - and I know he's probably super busy, so I thought maybe you guys could help instead. If I choose the 330g unstrung weight/315mm balance option, and then add 4 grams at 3 and 9, would that be the best option to get closest to 360g strung, 7ptsHL and a swingweight of ~326? Or would it be better to choose the 320g/320mm option and then add lead at 3 and 9 and under the buttcap?
My vote is to go 330g 9pts HL but with no leather grip.
Add the leather grip yourself which will add around 10g (net) plus an OG which will add 5~9 depending on brand. Then string and dampener and some lead (maybe 2~4g @ 3/9) and done.
 

jhusein

Rookie
So maybe you guys can help me with this. I'm trying to figure out which weight/balance option to choose from the Angell racket builder selection form to be able to match my preferred specs as closely as I can. I don't want to keep bugging Paul if I don't have to.

My favorite YTPP has a strung swingweight of 326 (by way of the iPhone app), a static strung weight of 360g (with an overgrip, a thin synthetic grip that I swapped out for the leather grip, some lead at 3 and 9, and some lead tape and cotton in the handle) and 7pts HL when strung.

I added 2g of lead to each side of the hoop at 3 and 9 for a total of 4 grams of lead to stabilize the head a bit at impact, particularly the torsion stability. I've done that for most of the racquets I've used over the years, and I have no issue with adding lead to the hoop of the TC97, if need be, but also no real compulsion to add it if it doesn't feel like it needs it. I also glued some squares of lead to the underside of my YTPP's buttcap and filled the handle with cotton to get to those specs. I assume the TC97 handles are filled with something already, but again, I don't mind having to add some lead to the underside of the buttcap of the TC97 and I don't mind not doing it. I only added it to my YTPP to counterbalance the lead at 3 and 9. I just want to be able to get the TC97 I order, one way or another, to match these specs as closely as possible.

So my question would be which weight/balance option to choose when I order the TC97? Here's a link to the Angell racket builder selection form: http://www.angelltennis.com/racket-config/?configurator_id=562f75eb69c7a&product_id=875 in case you forgot what the options are. Thanks in advance.
I have about 10 hours (doubles and some singles) on my TC97 (320g, 310mm or 10pt HL and 297 SW) and leather grip. Strung Specs with Co-Focus 1.18 and an OG is 338g and 8pt HL. To me (at these specs) the racket plays lighter than its weight suggests. Its stable enough and very maneuverable which is great for doubles. I can easily add (and I may if I think it needs it) 10-15 grams to the racket and I think it will still play excellent. I tested the MG Prestige Pro years ago and I don't remember much about it but in the last 8 years or so I mainly played with the MG Prestige Mid, PB 10 MID, IG Radical Pro, (have a Donnay Pro One 97 that I am also testing right now) and I also tested many many more including the recent Textreme 95. To me (and it may still be the honeymoon period), the TC97 is the easiest racket to swing. It hits a soild/clean ball, has ample amount of spin even though I hit mostly flat. My flat serves are getting better and better as I use the racket more (I am still dialing in my seconds) and after two or three hours of playing, my arm and shoulders still thank me compared to to the demanding Mids I used in the past. I have not even tried my favorite strings in the racket and I am looking forward to do so in the next few days.

Based on your description, I agree with teekaywhy that unstrung 330g, 310mm and leather maybe be a good choice for you if you want to move away from the Prestige Pro.



not sure why the PIC of the T97 is not showing!
 

supineAnimation

Hall of Fame
My vote is to go 330g 9pts HL but with no leather grip.
Add the leather grip yourself which will add around 10g (net) plus an OG which will add 5~9 depending on brand. Then string and dampener and some lead (maybe 2~4g @ 3/9) and done.
I prefer synthetic grips, but if I add the 4g of lead at 3 and 9 and the overgrip that should get me to 340-345g unstrung, plus the string should get me close to 360g. But will that take the balance from 9pts HL to 7pts HL?
 
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