The Official Angell Users Club

[joohan]

Joohan,

How soft does it feel compared to the Donnay P1 and the Fischers? The reason I'm asking is because some people said that it's not really that soft, more like low 60 instead of below 60. What is your opinion based on how it feels compared to other racquets?

I'll do my best to describe...

Fischer (the #252 mold in VT98Pro/Pro 1) almost does not flex compared to Donnay P1 and TC95. It feels much stiffer because of the ceramic lay-up and mainly due to the tapered beam. Mainly because the Vacuum Pro Mid has the same ceramic lay-up, only in constant, thin 19mm beam and its flex is significantly more pronounced compared to VT98. Donnay P1 has sort of a "never-ending" flex. You just can't feel when the frame stops flexing, you can only feel the ball leaving the string bed. I think it's due to the 50% fiberglass composition because the flex of my fiberglass containing Fischer M Speed Pros feels very similar, albeit not as "never-ending" because of their tapered, 20-23-25mm beam.

Now the TC95 flexes very similar to the Vacuum Pro Mid. Flex is very uniform and you can clearly feel when the flexing stops. It's kind of like jumping on a very soft bed - you feel the softness of the mattress all the way to the point when you feel the bed frame underneath it for a split second, just before the mattress shoots you up into the air. If Donnay has the flex in the region of mid 50ties, my arm would describe the flex of the TC95 around 60 - just like the flex of the Fischer Vacuum Pro Mid.

 

[BounceHitBounceHit]

Can anyone comment on the weight distribution in the TC95 and/or TC97? I'm not keen on racquets that put a lot of weight in the throat, so was wondering from that perspective.

I know excactly what you mean and dislike that feel too-it kills the sense of maneuverability. The TC97 feels polarized to me, but mine is (futher??) customized.

 

[supineAnimation]

not to go down this TT95 rabbit hole any further...

but has anyone played the TT95/TC95 (either string pattern)/TC97 and a Redondo 98 or Prestige MP (pref i.Prestige or even a Prestige Pro)?

I played the YTPP for the last ~7 years and now I've switched to the TC97. I reviewed the Textreme 95 last year and liked it a lot. But my wife ended loving it and I was able to get them to let me keep one for her.

What do you wanna know?

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

YES!! Couldn't agree more. There is a unique feel to the Angell 97, honestly something I've never before encountered apart from some older Fischer frames I owned (VT98's, I think) Best, BHBH

Yeah Paul is definitely doing the flexy solid European style players frame thing. Many of us seem to have tases for that type of frame. I have no idea why Head is copying Bablolat when many of the best mens pros (#1 and #2) prefer flexy solid european style players frames. Nothing against babolat... they are what they are...in fact I applaud their personality. Why Head, Dunlop and Volkl are going their way seems insane. Simply tell everyone what Murray really swings and sell something similar in the prestige line... a sub 60 PT630 like frame with dampening twaron. duh.

Paul may be the only experienced racquet engineer that gets first and last say on his designs. ...put that in your boardroom and smoke it. 6-7 years ago I decided against a Vantage... it was possibly a mistake but life is a journey. Ive had fun playing tennis and that is all that matters.

 

[joohan]

He's talking about himself. A lot of this stuff is just projecting and assuming everyone is the same way.

It's really cool to hear you like the frame so much. To be honest you had some pretty high standards for it compared to your other frames, so I was interested if it would pass the test. Not an easy one to pass, and it's awesome that it worked out for you.

I was very pleasantly surprised. Not that I did not believe the Angell frames were excellent but, as I've already stated, I tried to approach the TC95 with no bias whatsoever so that I can assess it thoroughly.

 

[JediMindTrick]

I would say both frames feel like they have a flex of 57-58RA strung. The TC95 is easier to play with because of a bigger sweetspot and more power.

Gee, thanks!

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

I know excactly what you mean and dislike that feel too-it kills the sense of maneuverability. The TC97 feels polarized to me, but mine is (futher??) customized.

My TC95 feels pretty polarized... so much so I added a little weight to the V of the throat to depolarize it. That is the area I add or remove weight from most depending on the season and conditions. I do have a bit of weight in the tail of my TC95 compared to the way Paul makes/ships them.

 

[JackB1]

It does seem a bit like a "lurk" approach with racquets that you have tried and then moved away from.

If you do get an Angell I hope it is at the specs you really want so you can give it a fair shake.

I have only tried a TC100, which was bought used from another TT member. The TC100 probably gets the least amount of accolades on this forum compared to the other models.
I would definitely give an honest and fair assessment to a TC97 or TC95 if I can ever get ahold of one. I cannot afford a $225 purchase though without a demo, so ordering a new
one isn't an option right now.

 

[djNEiGht]

@Gee & @Backhanded Compliment - Thanks for that.

I would say both frames feel like they have a flex of 57-58RA strung. The TC95 is easier to play with because of a bigger sweetspot and more power.

The extra power and sweet spot would help me when I'm tired or have a usual day (a bad day). Sometimes after a 3rd set I'm so cooked I need that forgiveness and power.

Now I will take that into account and look for TC95 versus TC97

 

[JackB1]

Sounds like he was talking about you bud. You are the one who got hot and bothered that I prefer this frame to the Prince. Nobody here really gets that upset if someone doesn't like an Angell frame. We ask why, suggest tweaks and then move on with it.

I am not bothered by it at all....I just think you never gave the TT95 a fair shake and your comments made me wonder if you even tried it at all. But if you are 100% happy with your TC95,
then it's a moot point really. Until I can test a TC95 myself, it's not worth discussing further. Lets just say I'm skeptical and leave it at that for now.

 

[Power Player]

Ok Jack, so you want to insinuate that I lied and never played with the frame. You could have come out and said that earlier and I would have laughed like I am doing now because you really are a piece of work.

I guess I just went back in time and made this post up right? - http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...f-a-racketaholic.347887/page-434#post-9475960

Seriously, get over it. I think I'm just going to put you on ignore you since you have derailed this thread enough with your passive aggressive little jabs. It's just so unbecoming to read and really lame. I have no respect for people like that and Im sick of the thread clutter.

And yeah, I thought the Prince was pretty awesome. Just a testament to what I think of the TC95.

 

[JackB1]

Ok Jack, so you want to insinuate that I lied and never played with the frame. You could have come out and said that earlier and I would have laughed like I am doing now because you really are a piece of work.

I guess I just went back in time and made this post up right? - http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/inde...f-a-racketaholic.347887/page-434#post-9475960

Seriously, get over it. I think I'm just going to put you on ignore you since you have derailed this thread enough with your passive aggressive little jabs. It's just so unbecoming to read and really lame. I have no respect for people like that and Im sick of the thread clutter.

And yeah, I thought the Prince was pretty awesome. Just a testament to what I think of the TC95.

I never said you lied and I apologize if I insinuated that. I am saying that your comments about the TT95 didn't make sense to me. I have never so completely disagreed with you before, which is why I was so perplexed by this. But maybe the TC95 is just that good? Since it's nearly impossible for me to test one without buying one, I may never know for sure.

As far as clutter goes, if you aren't interested in what I have to say, then that's what the ignore button is for...what can I tell you. You just don't like when anyone disagrees with you...never have.

 

[joohan]

But maybe the TC95 is just that good?

Only logical.

You just don't like when anyone disagrees with you...never have.

I don't think that's what's going on. It's the manner, not the message per se...

 

[Power Player]

The guy just doesn't get it. It's really tiring. Instead of cluttering the thread with more nonsense, I just ignored so we can continue and I won't engage him anymore.

 

[teekaywhy]

not to go down this TT95 rabbit hole any further...

but has anyone played the TT95/TC95 (either string pattern)/TC97 and a Redondo 98 or Prestige MP (pref i.Prestige or even a Prestige Pro)?

I've played all but the TC95. I still own a Redondo 98, Prestige MP, Graphene Prestige Pro.
In my opinion TC97>GPP>Redondo=MP.

 

[teekaywhy]

I have only tried a TC100, which was bought used from another TT member. The TC100 probably gets the least amount of accolades on this forum compared to the other models.
I would definitely give an honest and fair assessment to a TC97 or TC95 if I can ever get ahold of one. I cannot afford a $225 purchase though without a demo, so ordering a new
one isn't an option right now.

I got a chance to hit with a TC100 locally through a guy who is starting to rep/demo Angells. It felt awfully similar to the TC97. Great stick on its own accord. Not as much plow but that wasn't all that surprising.

 

[JackB1]

Only logical.

I don't think that's what's going on. It's the manner, not the message per se...

Maybe so, but I've known him a LOT longer than you have Joohan. If he doesn't want to interact with me anymore that's his choice, its a free country. It's a little sad though, but I'll get over it Not sure I can change my "manner" since it's not intentional, so if it annoys anyone else, they can go the same route as PP.

 

[djNEiGht]

I played the YTPP for the last ~7 years and now I've switched to the TC97. I reviewed the Textreme 95 last year and liked it a lot. But my wife ended loving it and I was able to get them to let me keep one for her.

What do you wanna know?

With my R98 and my i.Prestige MP ( I also had a YTPP for a while) it plays well when I am in a groove and have my foot on the gas. But on an off day and when I'm tired I need something a bit more forgiving and something with a little more power. I have a POG OS which is very nice but the extra real estate makes the control portion of it challenging. I have a TC100 which seems to be doing okay for me but like the POG, sometimes the control is lacking.

If you could share your experiences with how the TC97 plays compared to the YTPP.
feel
power
spin
forgiveness
sweet spot
control

cheers

 

[djNEiGht]

I have only tried a TC100, which was bought used from another TT member. The TC100 probably gets the least amount of accolades on this forum compared to the other models.
I would definitely give an honest and fair assessment to a TC97 or TC95 if I can ever get ahold of one. I cannot afford a $225 purchase though without a demo, so ordering a new
one isn't an option right now.

I play with the TC100 and think if you ever come across some mad money you should consider one that is at your spec. I enjoy it very much. I know you have played with the DC London.

spin - TC100
Control - DC London (could be due to the strings)
Feel - par
Power - slight edge to the tC100 (could be due to strings I've been using)
Stability and plow also goes to the TC100 but it is also 0.5 oz heavier

 

[djNEiGht]

I've played all but the TC95. I still own a Redondo 98, Prestige MP, Graphene Prestige Pro.
In my opinion TC97>GPP>Redondo=MP.

I think I have the same feeling as you (minus the TC97 since I haven't tried it). I like the open pattern of the TYPP and wonder if it's the same as the Graphene.

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

I'll do my best to describe...

Fischer (the #252 mold in VT98Pro/Pro 1) almost does not flex compared to Donnay P1 and TC95. It feels much stiffer because of the ceramic lay-up and mainly due to the tapered beam. Mainly because the Vacuum Pro Mid has the same ceramic lay-up, only in constant, thin 19mm beam and its flex is significantly more pronounced compared to VT98. Donnay P1 has sort of a "never-ending" flex. You just can't feel when the frame stops flexing, you can only feel the ball leaving the string bed. I think it's due to the 50% fiberglass composition because the flex of my fiberglass containing Fischer M Speed Pros feels very similar, albeit not as "never-ending" because of their tapered, 20-23-25mm beam.

Now the TC95 flexes very similar to the Vacuum Pro Mid. Flex is very uniform and you can clearly feel when the flexing stops. It's kind of like jumping on a very soft bed - you feel the softness of the mattress all the way to the point when you feel the bed frame underneath it for a split second, just before the mattress shoots you up into the air. If Donnay has the flex in the region of mid 50ties, my arm would describe the flex of the TC95 around 60 - just like the flex of the Fischer Vacuum Pro Mid.

for me the tc95 plays distinctly sub 60, a lot like the dunlop biomimetic 200 (rated 58ra) but with a more uniform flex. I feel this most on serves and returns where greater forces are at work..

as for comparing the tc95 to the ytpp... i played with the Youtek Prestige Pro for 3-4 years as my wind racquet.

ytpp is much much stiffer and id say they play similarly whippy. the tc95 16x19's sweetspot and power level is much bigger and is much more dampened and plush feeling. Id say the tc95 has much more spin too. i alwsys felt the ytpp was far too stiff.

 

[BounceHitBounceHit]

Yeah Paul is definitely doing the flexy solid European style players frame thing. Many of us seem to have tases for that type of frame. I have no idea why Head is copying Bablolat when many of the best mens pros (#1 and #2) prefer flexy solid european style players frames. Nothing against babolat... they are what they are...in fact I applaud their personality. Why Head, Dunlop and Volkl are going their way seems insane. Simply tell everyone what Murray really swings and sell something similar in the prestige line... a sub 60 PT630 like frame with dampening twaron. duh.

Paul may be the only experienced racquet engineer that gets first and last say on his designs. ...put that in your boardroom and smoke it. 6-7 years ago I decided against a Vantage... it was possibly a mistake but life is a journey. Ive had fun playing tennis and that is all that matters.

My TC97 has an RA of 66, which I think is very consistent with how it feels in play. But the thing is just so SOLID and CONSISTENT!! It's hard to describe but a very unique experience which for me so far translated to a very predictable frame that inspires confidence in one's shots. BHBH

 

[joohan]

for me the tc95 plays distinctly sub 60, a lot like the dunlop biomimetic 200 (rated 58ra) but with a more uniform flex. I feel this most on serves and returns where greater forces are at work..

as fir comparing the tc95 to the ytpp... i played with the Youtek Prestige pro for 3-4 years as my wind racquet.

ytpp is much much stiffer and id say they play similarly whippy. the tc95 16x19's sweetspot and power level is much bigger and is much more dampened and plush feeling. Id say the tc95 has much more spin too. i alwsys felt the ytpp was far too stiff.

It might be that Donnay Pro One is really very soft and in comparison, TC95 feels stiffer. Well...it's not a huge difference for sure, only that snapback sensation is almost completely absent in Donnay.

 

[BounceHitBounceHit]

Now, all we need are Angell T shirts, hats, and 12 pack bags. BHBH

 

[JackB1]

I play with the TC100 and think if you ever come across some mad money you should consider one that is at your spec. I enjoy it very much. I know you have played with the DC London.

spin - TC100
Control - DC London (could be due to the strings)
Feel - par
Power - slight edge to the tC100 (could be due to strings I've been using)
Stability and plow also goes to the TC100 but it is also 0.5 oz heavier

Yes I loved the London, but my game is different now. The TC100 was too OPEN in the center for my pref's. Good for baseliners that want to hit spinny
shots with good net clearance with good power and comfort.

 

[supineAnimation]

Remember there are also many that have tried them and for whatever reason didn't care for them, but they usually don't come here and say anything because they know they will probably be shot down. So they just post their racquets on the classifieds and go back to their Wilson, Head or Prince. etc. No more or less than any other racquet brand. I think there is some amount of "fanboy" exaggeration here, but that happens with every thread for a certain racquet model users. I think Angell is a solid brand and a good quality product, but at the end of the day it's just a tennis racquet. It won't magically transform your game or be crazy different from other similar spec'd racquets. The main benefit from an Angell racquet is the customization aspect of it. If you don't require that, then you will be served just fine with whatever Prince, Head , Babolat or whatever suits you best.

I definitely agree that's there a bit too much worship here at times, but I can honestly say that I was skeptical about them at first and yet found mine to be pretty singular.

Writing reviews has allowed me to test virtually every new frame anywhere near my preferred spec range over the last few years, so it's not like I haven't tested the competition. Only two frames have been close in terms of comfort/control/sweetspot, the Textreme 95 and the Pro One GT, but the Angell is markedly superior to those two.

I only started considering an Angell because I started developing TE last year for the first time ever. I sh*t you not: every other racquet- my YTPPs, the Prince, the Donnay- has at least put my arm on the brink of pain and caused fatigue, if not worse. The TC97 is the only frame that hasn't.

I feel nothing after using it. I did 5 games of 21, so lots of groundies, and 5 breakers the other day with it. Nothing afterwards. Felt like I hadn't played at all. That alone sets it apart. Take that for what it's worth.

But they're not for everybody and it sounds like they're not for you. But why hang around and throw shade at the people who've been clearly very satisfied with them?

 

[JackB1]

I got a chance to hit with a TC100 locally through a guy who is starting to rep/demo Angells. It felt awfully similar to the TC97. Great stick on its own accord. Not as much plow but that wasn't all that surprising.

Where was this? In the States?

 

[veecee]

I played the YTPP for the last ~7 years and now I've switched to the TC97. I reviewed the Textreme 95 last year and liked it a lot. But my wife ended loving it and I was able to get them to let me keep one for her.

What do you wanna know?

Hi mate. I'd really like to get your comparison between YTPP vs TC97 in terms of:

• Feel
  
• Control
• Power
• Spin potential
• Maneuverability
• Sweetspot size
• OHBH
• Volleys
• Serves

I bought a 2nd hand YTPP (already strung with Alu Power at 53lb) and really enjoyed my first hit-out with it last night. It was surprising powerful, had great spin potential, sweet on the BH slice (couldn't get it quite hooked up on topspin OHBH), great at the net and serves. Feel was decent - would have liked a plusher feel - may be down to string choice/tension.

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

Hi mate. I'd really like to get your comparison between YTPP vs TC97 in terms of:

• Feel
  
• Control
• Power
• Spin potential
• Maneuverability
• Sweetspot size
• OHBH
• Volleys
• Serves

I bought a 2nd hand YTPP (already strung with Alu Power at 53lb) and really enjoyed my first hit-out with it last night. It was surprising powerful, had great spin potential, sweet on the BH slice (couldn't get it quite hooked up on topspin OHBH), great at the net and serves. Feel was decent - would have liked a plusher feel - may be down to string choice/tension.

yeah thats the ytpp... it just isnt plush at all. but i found mine was great on topspin ohbh. perhaps add silicone in the handle? and drop tension a bit. i used tourna silver rough in mine but yonex poly tour pro might be kinder.

there just arent many plush 16x19 players frames out there. i hsvent used a tc97 or else id give you an assessment. tc95 is more muted than the tc97 apparently

 

[BounceHitBounceHit]

yeah thats the ytpp... it just isnt plush at all. but i found mine was great on topspin ohbh. perhaps add silicone in the handle? and drop tension a bit. i used tourna silver rough in mine but yonex poly tour pro might be kinder.

there just arent many plush 16x19 players frames out there. i hsvent used a tc97 or else id give you an assessment. tc95 is more muted than the tc97 apparently

If the 95 is more plush than the 97 I gotta try it. [emoji106][emoji462][emoji106]

 

[jhusein]

Now, all we need are Angell T shirts, hats, and 12 pack bags. BHBH

and maybe another new TC97 with Clear or Red grommets

 

[robok9]

Just got my TC95 today! I went with 16x19, 310g, 320mm, 27in., 70RA, B3. Couldn't play with it yet today due to rain, but I hit in some racquetball courts to get a feel, and I love what little taste I got so far. It only took 5 minutes with it for me to echo what everyone else is saying- this thing is a serving monster! I can't wait to hit the courts first thing tomorrow.

 

[BounceHitBounceHit]

and maybe another new TC97 with Clear or Red grommets

Perhaps.....but gotta try the TC95 first, as I am after all a long time Wilson Pro Staff user!!!

 

[BounceHitBounceHit]

Just got my TC95 today! I went with 16x19, 310g, 320mm, 27in., 70RA, B3. Couldn't play with it yet today due to rain, but I hit in some racquetball courts to get a feel, and I love what little taste I got so far. It only took 5 minutes with it for me to echo what everyone else is saying- this thing is a serving monster! I can't wait to hit the courts first thing tomorrow.

Looking forward to your review!!

 

[teekaywhy]

Where was this? In the States?

Yes. PA.

 

[supineAnimation]

With my R98 and my i.Prestige MP ( I also had a YTPP for a while) it plays well when I am in a groove and have my foot on the gas. But on an off day and when I'm tired I need something a bit more forgiving and something with a little more power. I have a POG OS which is very nice but the extra real estate makes the control portion of it challenging. I have a TC100 which seems to be doing okay for me but like the POG, sometimes the control is lacking.

If you could share your experiences with how the TC97 plays compared to the YTPP.
feel
power
spin
forgiveness
sweet spot
control

cheers

The Angell is slightly to moderately better in each category.

I need more tension than I strung it with this first time, and with the sweetspot being so much larger it takes some adjustment, so I've had a bit less control than I had with my YTPPs. But I suspect that will change once I get the tension right and get used to the enlarged sweetspot

 

[supineAnimation]

Hi mate. I'd really like to get your comparison between YTPP vs TC97 in terms of:

• Feel
  
• Control
• Power
• Spin potential
• Maneuverability
• Sweetspot size
• OHBH
• Volleys
• Serves

I bought a 2nd hand YTPP (already strung with Alu Power at 53lb) and really enjoyed my first hit-out with it last night. It was surprising powerful, had great spin potential, sweet on the BH slice (couldn't get it quite hooked up on topspin OHBH), great at the net and serves. Feel was decent - would have liked a plusher feel - may be down to string choice/tension.

I found the YTPP to be quite plush, but I generally played with softer polys at slightly lower tensions. The TC97 is significantly more flexible, but less crisp.

• Feel: it's close, but I suspect with the right tension and more time the TC will be a little better
  
• Control: same as feel
• Power: definitely more with the TC
• Spin potential: very similar
• Maneuverability: the YTPP. The TC has a higher stock swingweight
• Sweetspot size: the TC, by a lot
• OHBH: not sure, I have a two-hander
• Volleys: so far the YTPP, but that's also likely due in part to how long I used them compared to such a short time with the TC
• Serves: the TC, definitely

 

[veecee]

yeah thats the ytpp... it just isnt plush at all. but i found mine was great on topspin ohbh. perhaps add silicone in the handle? and drop tension a bit. i used tourna silver rough in mine but yonex poly tour pro might be kinder.

there just arent many plush 16x19 players frames out there. i hsvent used a tc97 or else id give you an assessment. tc95 is more muted than the tc97 apparently

How would you compare the TC95 to the YTPP? I'd be keen on your thoughts too. So hard to choose between the TC95 63RA and the TC97 right now...

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

How would you compare the TC95 to the YTPP? I'd be keen on your thoughts too. So hard to choose between the TC95 63RA and the TC97 right now...

yeah if you love more muted and more flexable sticks go tc95. the ytpp gives a lot more higher pitched feedback than a tc95 63ra and from all ive heard the tc97 has a less dampened feel... more similar to a prestige but still more dampened as it is a foamed frame.

the tc95 doesnt flex much in the head... if you want that go tc97... Paul would know more ofc.

Still as a former prestige user i had no problem using the tc 95 which definitely has more power but similar good manners.

 

[Power Player]

How would you compare the TC95 to the YTPP? I'd be keen on your thoughts too. So hard to choose between the TC95 63RA and the TC97 right now...

If it helps, i picked the 95 because i prefer the low flex.

 

[sma1001]

I feel nothing after using it.

It's the unbearable lightness of being.

 

[JackB1]

I definitely agree that's there a bit too much worship here at times, but I can honestly say that I was skeptical about them at first and yet found mine to be pretty singular.

Writing reviews has allowed me to test virtually every new frame anywhere near my preferred spec range over the last few years, so it's not like I haven't tested the competition. Only two frames have been close in terms of comfort/control/sweetspot, the Textreme 95 and the Pro One GT, but the Angell is markedly superior to those two.

I only started considering an Angell because I started developing TE last year for the first time ever. I sh*t you not: every other racquet- my YTPPs, the Prince, the Donnay- has at least put my arm on the brink of pain and caused fatigue, if not worse. The TC97 is the only frame that hasn't.

I feel nothing after using it. I did 5 games of 21, so lots of groundies, and 5 breakers the other day with it. Nothing afterwards. Felt like I hadn't played at all. That alone sets it apart. Take that for what it's worth.

But they're not for everybody and it sounds like they're not for you. But why hang around and throw shade at the people who've been clearly very satisfied with them?

If you found something that lets you play without any pain, that is reason enough to use it. Luckily I haven't had any TE issues in over 5 years and I only got them when I started playing due to terrible backhand technique. I agree Angell is not for everybody and most of you guys seem to like that old school, heavy, flexy type of frame that is so hard to find these days. So its good that you folks that like that type of racquet still have a place to get them.

 

[JediMindTrick]

It might be that Donnay Pro One is really very soft and in comparison, TC95 feels stiffer. Well...it's not a huge difference for sure, only that snapback sensation is almost completely absent in Donnay.

joohan,

Amazing description of how the various racquets flex, thank you. It's possible that the Fischer, being so old, got softer in time, so by now it's flex 58 or so, so both of you guys are right.

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

joohan,

Amazing description of how the various racquets flex, thank you. It's possible that the Fischer, being so old, got softer in time, so by now it's flex 58 or so, so both of you guys are right.

Everyone perceives flex differently but its possible a well loved p1 could be 55 etc. All i can say is my 61Ra xfp95 (it is used now so maybe 60) feels much stiffer than my tc95... i can feel the flex of the tc95 quite distinctly, whereas my xfp95 and igpmp are far less pronounced. Lead placement also effects flex perception. All quite subjective... but we both agree it is a flexable frame. The kind we like and have trouble finding new these days. Honestly i find the subjective differences fascinating.

 

[joohan]

joohan,

Amazing description of how the various racquets flex, thank you. It's possible that the Fischer, being so old, got softer in time, so by now it's flex 58 or so, so both of you guys are right.

I played the TC95 side by side with the Vacuum Pro Today. Feel is almost completely identical save from the snap-back sensation "at the bottom of the flex", which is crisper in Vacuum Pro. Amazing similarity.

Edit: forgot to mention yesterday - TC95 is absolute confidence enhancing tennis racquet. There is not a shot I am afraid to attempt and placing serve anywhere inside the service box feels like a piece of cake with this monster. W.O.W.

 

[BounceHitBounceHit]

I played the TC95 side by side with the Vacuum Pro Today. Feel is almost completely identical save from the snap-back sensation "at the bottom of the flex", which is crisper in Vacuum Pro. Amazing similarity.

Edit: forgot to mention yesterday - TC95 is absolute confidence enhancing tennis racquet. There is not shot I am afraid to attempt and placing serve anywhere inside the service box feels like a piece of cake with this monster. W.O.W.

I think the observation about the frame inspiring confidence is right on the money. It's the consistency of response that most distinguishes the TC97 in my experience. [emoji106] BHBH

 

[djNEiGht]

argh...now what to do should I get some mad money...

TC95/97

If I do get I'll prob keep my TC100 for when I need more pop and forgiveness

Need to ditch some sticks or hide them in the back of the closet. Who's interested in a Mizuno Turbo Pro/POG Mid/Redondo 98/DC London/APD Original/POG OS? I'll prob keep x1 R98 as well as both i.Prestige MP

 

[The_Racketeer]

I think the observation about the frame inspiring confidence is right on the money. It's the consistency of response that most distinguishes the TC97 in my experience. [emoji106] BHBH

I agree. My backhand has never been very good so I'm often hesitant to hit a topspin backhand in a match when I'm much more consistent with my slice. But with the TC95 I'm swinging out and hitting much more consistent backhands. To the point that I'm having more fun hitting them than my slice.

 

[The_Racketeer]

argh...now what to do should I get some mad money...

TC95/97

If I do get I'll prob keep my TC100 for when I need more pop and forgiveness

Need to ditch some sticks or hide them in the back of the closet. Who's interested in a Mizuno Turbo Pro/POG Mid/Redondo 98/DC London/APD Original/POG OS? I'll prob keep x1 R98 as well as both i.Prestige MP

This is my dilemma too. Another TC95 or TC97? I'm playing great with my TC95 but I'm missing that satisfying thud from my Prince Graphite 100. With its box beam and more similar head size, I'm wondering if the TC97 would deliver in that regard.

Can anyone else chime in on a comparison between the Prince Graphite 100 and the TC95/TC97?

 

[joohan]

I think the observation about the frame inspiring confidence is right on the money. It's the consistency of response that most distinguishes the TC97 in my experience. [emoji106] BHBH

If I had only one thing to point out when asked about the TC95(63RA,18X20), it would be the confidence factor. It is that prominent.

I agree. My backhand has never been very good so I'm often hesitant to hit a topspin backhand in a match when I'm much more consistent with my slice. But with the TC95 I'm swinging out and hitting much more consistent backhands. To the point that I'm having more fun hitting them than my slice.

I had also my Dunlop Bio 300T with me today and while the accuracy was about the same, in feel and confidence department it was a no-contest in TC95s favor. Backhand side was probably the most prominent regarding the confidence factor. Plus I am really glad I did not go through with my initial 330g/305mm unstrung specs as I am thoroughly enjoying the plow-through of a more head heavy set-up. Serves are monstrous...just monstrous.

Edit: Tomorrow I will take only the TC95 and Donnay P1 with me. I guess it will be a deciding contest about wether or not to contemplate a 16x19 TC95.