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Not to mention they look so damn good! (Because we all know that matters wayyy more, lol)



I playtest the new Srixon Dunlop CX and while that is a great looking racquet, people were asking more about my V3 than that as I switched back and forth. That copper/black catches everyone's eyes.

'Psychodynamic technique' A cognitive understanding of therapeutic racquetholism, great book ;-)
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
Back to TC100? (y) you are changing a lot - it is interesting to guess your next move :)
Yeah, sold all my TC100s a while back and played PSTGTs and on occasion p17. i wanted to try the V3 so got a new TC95 and it was terrific and i do think its a bit more enhanced then V2 feel wise. Now i have three of them and sold everything else except the PSTGT, that one is staying. I got lucky and settled on the right string as well so no changes anytime soon. But i will always try different frames on occasion because i enjoy it
 
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AMG30

New User
Hi Everyone,
I have two K7's (playing with them and enjoy them) also have a couple of TC97's and 1 TC95 18X20.
I should at least get rid of the TC 97's since I no longer play with them but that aside, I am thinking of purchasing
a V3 open pattern. Do any of you notice any differences in feel or arm friendliness of the V3 vs the TC95 18X20. If there is little difference there is no point in buying the V3. I assume you can get a little more spin with open pattern.
I string my sticks with gut on the mains ands lately Halo1 on the crosses.
Thanks for your input.
 

saleem

Semi-Pro
Hi Everyone,
I have two K7's (playing with them and enjoy them) also have a couple of TC97's and 1 TC95 18X20.
I should at least get rid of the TC 97's since I no longer play with them but that aside, I am thinking of purchasing
a V3 open pattern. Do any of you notice any differences in feel or arm friendliness of the V3 vs the TC95 18X20. If there is little difference there is no point in buying the V3. I assume you can get a little more spin with open pattern.
I string my sticks with gut on the mains ands lately Halo1 on the crosses.
Thanks for your input.
@topspn will be the perfect guy to answer that question since he used 18x20 and 16x19 tc95s
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
Hi Everyone,
I have two K7's (playing with them and enjoy them) also have a couple of TC97's and 1 TC95 18X20.
I should at least get rid of the TC 97's since I no longer play with them but that aside, I am thinking of purchasing
a V3 open pattern. Do any of you notice any differences in feel or arm friendliness of the V3 vs the TC95 18X20. If there is little difference there is no point in buying the V3. I assume you can get a little more spin with open pattern.
I string my sticks with gut on the mains ands lately Halo1 on the crosses.
Thanks for your input.
You seem to be using open pattern and V3 interchangeably but I think you’re asking for differences between the TC95 18 x20 and 16x19 patterns. In terms of arm friendliness, both are pretty arm friendly and you are playing them with gut mains and multi crosses so you’re hitting with melted butter :-D I only play full poly so keep that in mind. The 18x20 I’d play at a lower tension of around 42 or 43lbs (full poly) to get a string bed equivalent to the open pattern at 46lbs. The 18x20 has a more firm feeling string bed comparatively. Playability, 16x19 naturally hits a bit bigger and if you hit with heavy spin then a heavier ball. Both are great serving sticks and beautiful authoritative volley sticks. I also find the 18x20 requires a thinner gauge string around 1.20mm while the 16x19 plays best with a larger gauge string around 1.3mm. The V3 Angells overall seem to have upped feedback a bit. At the end of the day the choice between the two is dependent on your hitting style. If you are more prone to falter hitting then stay with the 18x20 and if you hit heavy top spin or like to interchange spin then get the 16x19.
 

AMG30

New User
You seem to be using open pattern and V3 interchangeably but I think you’re asking for differences between the TC95 18 x20 and 16x19 patterns. In terms of arm friendliness, both are pretty arm friendly and you are playing them with gut mains and multi crosses so you’re hitting with melted butter :-D I only play full poly so keep that in mind. The 18x20 I’d play at a lower tension of around 42 or 43lbs (full poly) to get a string bed equivalent to the open pattern at 46lbs. The 18x20 has a more firm feeling string bed comparatively. Playability, 16x19 naturally hits a bit bigger and if you hit with heavy spin then a heavier ball. Both are great serving sticks and beautiful authoritative volley sticks. I also find the 18x20 requires a thinner gauge string around 1.20mm while the 16x19 plays best with a larger gauge string around 1.3mm. The V3 Angells overall seem to have upped feedback a bit. At the end of the day the choice between the two is dependent on your hitting style. If you are more prone to falter hitting then stay with the 18x20 and if you hit heavy top spin or like to interchange spin then get the 16x19.
Thanks Topspn for your input. I am playing with the K7 and most people would not think of playing with another but I like playing around with sticks like many of us. I find the 95 18X20 a bit. firmer as you suggest. The question I had would the V3 be comparable to theTC9516X19 for the most part and would the V3 provide something the 18X20 does not. I like the feel of the K7. You suggest the V3 gives you more feedback. Does that mean it is a little harsher? I have had elbow issues in the past so that is why I do not play with full poly.
Thanks again. I appreciate it.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Looking for tension suggestions for my TC95 18x20s. I have some Klip Gut and Volk V-Star on the way, both 18g. I agree with topspn above on keeping thin, full poly in the low 40s, but what about this gut in the mains? What are others stringing gut in the TC95 18x20?
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
Looking for tension suggestions for my TC95 18x20s. I have some Klip Gut and Volk V-Star on the way, both 18g. I agree with topspn above on keeping thin, full poly in the low 40s, but what about this gut in the mains? What are others stringing gut in the TC95 18x20?
I string my TC95 18x20 with Head RIP Control 1.20mm (mains) and MSV CoFocus 1.18mm (crosses) at 24/22 kg.
 

topspn

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Thanks Topspn for your input. I am playing with the K7 and most people would not think of playing with another but I like playing around with sticks like many of us. I find the 95 18X20 a bit. firmer as you suggest. The question I had would the V3 be comparable to theTC9516X19 for the most part and would the V3 provide something the 18X20 does not. I like the feel of the K7. You suggest the V3 gives you more feedback. Does that mean it is a little harsher? I have had elbow issues in the past so that is why I do not play with full poly.
Thanks again. I appreciate it.
Ah yes, the difference between the 16x19 in V2 and V3 is not a large departure by any means. It is the same racquet after all. The V3 is not harsher in the least and is playing extremely comfortable for me. I do think feel of the V3 is upped a bit, however this could also easily be do to the Black Night string I am currently playing which seems a great match for my frames
 

AMG30

New User
I string the gut anywhere from 53-57. I bought up a bunch of Wilson gut on the internet as it is my preferred gut. Unfortunately , it is no longer available. Most of the other gut I have tied is far too stiff.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
I string my TC95 18x20 with Head RIP Control 1.20mm (mains) and MSV CoFocus 1.18mm (crosses) at 24/22 kg.
Thanks for the reference. I assume this Klip gut will be more powerful. I might shoot for gut/v-star at 50/50. V-Star is a very soft poly that probably loses tension quickly.

I string the gut anywhere from 53-57. I bought up a bunch of Wilson gut on the internet as it is my preferred gut. Unfortunately , it is no longer available. Most of the other gut I have tied is far too stiff.
Some say Wilson gut is the best there is. I'll bet that Klip gut is indeed stiffer, so I'll try 50lbs or upper 40s. Thanks.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
I string the gut anywhere from 53-57. I bought up a bunch of Wilson gut on the internet as it is my preferred gut. Unfortunately , it is no longer available. Most of the other gut I have tied is far too stiff.
I thought Wilson gut is just Babolat VS touch repackaged for Wilson.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
No. Wilson Gut was the same as the pre-KT7
Babalot gut. These strings have that buttery feeling I associate with gut.
I remember it was a Babolat factory making the string for Wilson and it was the same VS touch but as you said that was before Babolat added BT7 coating. I wasn’t sure if afterwards they continued supplying Wilson with gut with BT7 coating or continued making without for Wilson. So now Wilson will start getting the same VS touch with BT7?
 

AMG30

New User
I remember it was a Babolat factory making the string for Wilson and it was the same VS touch but as you said that was before Babolat added BT7 coating. I wasn’t sure if afterwards they continued supplying Wilson with gut with BT7 coating or continued making without for Wilson. So now Wilson will start getting the same VS touch with BT7?
Luxilon is now making Wilson’s gut.For a few years Babolat made the pre-BT7 for Wilson
Even while Babolat had transitioned to the BT7.
 

DelPeric

New User
I bought Angell TC97 16x19 (310g, 315mm balance) one month ago. The stock version is a bit more HH than my preferred balance setup so i was having a hard time adjusting to it. My racquet of choice for over 2 years was Wilson Pro staff 97 -315 g, so i decided to lead up my Angell a little bit.. I put 3 g under the butt cap, 1 g on 12 o'clock(just to get little more weight on that location 'cause of power and possible problem of tight string spot on the top of the raquet head that people are talking about) I also switched black base grip with Fairway leather grip and put overgrip over like always... and got around my preffered 10 pts HL unstrung balance.
I tried it yesterday and it was amazing, prerfect! What a difference this leather fairway replacement grip makes!! And with my usual balance now this Angell is a joy to play with!

 
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CosmosMpower

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I bought Angell TC97 16x19 (310g, 315mm balance) one month ago. The stock version is a bit more HH than my preferred balance setup so i was having a hard time adjusting to it. My racquet of choice for over 2 years was Wilson Pro staff 97 -315 g, so i decided to lead up my Angell a little bit.. I put 3 g under the butt cap, 1 g on 12 o'clock(just to get little more weight on that location 'cause of power and possible problem of tight string spot on the top of the raquet head that people are talking about) I also switched black base grip with Fairway leather grip and put overgrip over like always... and got around my preffered 10 pts HL unstrung balance.
I tried it yesterday and it was amazing, prerfect! What a difference this leather fairway replacement grip makes!! And with my usual balance now this Angell is a joy to play with!

Wow nice job wrapping the grip, looks perfect. Any tips on how to best install the leather grip? I have a hard time getting it to sit flat especially at the start and finish at the top.

Is that the 3/4 or 7/8 size?
 

DelPeric

New User
Wow nice job wrapping the grip, looks perfect. Any tips on how to best install the leather grip? I have a hard time getting it to sit flat especially at the start and finish at the top.

Is that the 3/4 or 7/8 size?
Thanx. It's 7/8.. I wraped it in the morning and let it stay wrapped around the handle till the evening(just that it gets shaped a bit, not glued). Than in the evening i took the super glue and put one tiny drop on the beginning of the grip. Glued it to the proper place on the handle and after few minutes started to wrap it around the handle. I had to use my strenght when doing the job and my wife was helping heating it with hair dryer so that i can strech it better. You have to be patient and look at the paper that comes with grip..there you can see the right thicknes when folding it over the previous circle of wrap..(1 or 2 mm maximux)..
At the begininng i wraped full circle and after about full circle and one edge i started going down.. At the end i used pencil to spot first and second spot where grip touches the wanted height on the handle and used my scissors to cut it... That was it..
 
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CosmosMpower

Hall of Fame
Thanx. It's 7/8.. I wraped it in the morning and let it stay wrapped around the handle till the evening(just that it gets shaped a bit, not glued). Than in the evening i took the super glue and put one tiny drop on the beginning of the grip. Glued it to the proper place on the handle and after few minutes started to wrap it around the handle. I had to use my strenght when doing the job and my wife was helping heating it with hair dryer so that i can strech it better. You have to be patient and look at the paper that comes with grip..there you can see the right thicknes when folding it over the previous circle of wrap..(1 or 2 mm maximux)..
At the begininng i wraped full circle and after about full circle and one edge i started going down.. At the end i used pencil to spot first and second spot where grip touches the wanted height on the handle and used my scissors to cut it... That was it..
I followed a similar process but always have trouble on the last wrap, it always seems too thick and doesn't sit flush like yours. At the start after the first full circle how do you start the downward angle and get it to sit flush?
 

DelPeric

New User
I followed a similar process but always have trouble on the last wrap, it always seems too thick and doesn't sit flush like yours. At the start after the first full circle how do you start the downward angle and get it to sit flush?
After first full circle go straight one more edge of the handle.. And than go down following the fold thickness of 1-2mm.. Not too much in down dirrection, look at my picture...
Look at some videos on youtube with replacememlnt grips...
 

ATX Tennis

New User
Quick question - I recently bought a TC100 - 16x19, 63RA, 300/330 (4pts HL). I usually use a 100in Ultra CounterVail...both strung with gut. Strictly a doubles player.

I love the Angell to serve...easy power and most importantly, great control on my spin second serve. I've never had more confidence that my second serve will be good...I usually tap flat my second, and it's not really an issue at 3.5, but I'm likely to be bumped to 4.0 and need a real second serve. My problem is that my current Angell setup hasn't been good for my serve and volley game. Harder hitters are giving me trouble when I approach after my serve. The racket just doesn't feel very substantial...harder hitters are causing me errors volleying wide because their shots are pushing through me. I'm not placing my volley...just hoping it will go in.

My question is what I should change on my current Angell setup? I'm guessing it needs to be heavier? More HL? Also, should I stick with the 63 RA? Hitting with this racket feels nice, but it occasionally feels spongy. I've only had it a few months, but outside of volleying hard shots, my only real issue has been harnessing the power of this racket. I some times over hit...more than I do with my Ultra. I have it strung at 55...might go to 58 next time.

Thanks for any help you can provide!
 

redmini

Rookie
Quick question - I recently bought a TC100 - 16x19, 63RA, 300/330 (4pts HL). I usually use a 100in Ultra CounterVail...both strung with gut. Strictly a doubles player.

I love the Angell to serve...easy power and most importantly, great control on my spin second serve. I've never had more confidence that my second serve will be good...I usually tap flat my second, and it's not really an issue at 3.5, but I'm likely to be bumped to 4.0 and need a real second serve. My problem is that my current Angell setup hasn't been good for my serve and volley game. Harder hitters are giving me trouble when I approach after my serve. The racket just doesn't feel very substantial...harder hitters are causing me errors volleying wide because their shots are pushing through me. I'm not placing my volley...just hoping it will go in.

My question is what I should change on my current Angell setup? I'm guessing it needs to be heavier? More HL? Also, should I stick with the 63 RA? Hitting with this racket feels nice, but it occasionally feels spongy. I've only had it a few months, but outside of volleying hard shots, my only real issue has been harnessing the power of this racket. I some times over hit...more than I do with my Ultra. I have it strung at 55...might go to 58 next time.

Thanks for any help you can provide!
I had one of similar specs but didn’t have the same problems. It was one of the more stable racquets I found. Certainly as stable as say a pure drive or APD and I felt it more so than the Ultra 100 when it originally came out. It was especially good against heavier hitters. I tended to use a hybrid of rpm and synthetic gut at around 54lbs. Mine had a good sized grip though - size 5 (ie 4&5/8”). Maybe a larger grip would help here ? Topspn on this forum found better stability on his K7 when he increased grip size , if I remember correctly.


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ATX Tennis

New User
I had one of similar specs but didn’t have the same problems. It was one of the more stable racquets I found. Certainly as stable as say a pure drive or APD and I felt it more so than the Ultra 100 when it originally came out. It was especially good against heavier hitters. I tended to use a hybrid of rpm and synthetic gut at around 54lbs. Mine had a good sized grip though - size 5 (ie 4&5/8”). Maybe a larger grip would help here ? Topspn on this forum found better stability on his K7 when he increased grip size , if I remember correctly.


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Thanks! I may go up in grip size. I got a 1 this time but double wrap it. I like the thin grip...just like feeling like I can turn my wrist. Maybe I'll go up to a 3 and see if that improves things.
 
I had an opportunity to buy and play with TC95 V1, 1st generation....I felt it was rock solid and played great..normally I keep 1g each at 3&9 for better stability...but I didn’t feel the need on V1...:I feel it must have higher SW than my V2s...struggled on serve due to higher SW but my FH, 1HBH, returns etc were solid. SW of All my other racquets would be Around 335...but this one felt even heavier, must be between 340-345...but overall I really liked it...from my experience I really think that TC95 performs better at higher SWs...
 

Nick777

Semi-Pro
I had an opportunity to buy and play with TC95 V1, 1st generation....I felt it was rock solid and played great..normally I keep 1g each at 3&9 for better stability...but I didn’t feel the need on V1...:I feel it must have higher SW than my V2s...struggled on serve due to higher SW but my FH, 1HBH, returns etc were solid. SW of All my other racquets would be Around 335...but this one felt even heavier, must be between 340-345...but overall I really liked it...from my experience I really think that TC95 performs better at higher SWs...
Thats really high sw! Most rackets if you increases the sw that much would play great but the thing is that are Hard to swing especially on serve, thats my only con about Angell rackets
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
I had an opportunity to buy and play with TC95 V1, 1st generation....I felt it was rock solid and played great..normally I keep 1g each at 3&9 for better stability...but I didn’t feel the need on V1...:I feel it must have higher SW than my V2s...struggled on serve due to higher SW but my FH, 1HBH, returns etc were solid. SW of All my other racquets would be Around 335...but this one felt even heavier, must be between 340-345...but overall I really liked it...from my experience I really think that TC95 performs better at higher SWs...
It may also have had a different balance thus the feel of heavier but it would certainly be very high from the average TC95 SW given that the V2 had most likelihood of higher SW. I was a bit concerned about SW in all honesty on the V3 but it actually seems to have translated to better control and quickness but can still hammer the ball. I have to say i like V3 the most as I also think i get more touch but strings contribute to that as well.
 

redmini

Rookie
I had an opportunity to buy and play with TC95 V1, 1st generation....I felt it was rock solid and played great..normally I keep 1g each at 3&9 for better stability...but I didn’t feel the need on V1...:I feel it must have higher SW than my V2s...struggled on serve due to higher SW but my FH, 1HBH, returns etc were solid. SW of All my other racquets would be Around 335...but this one felt even heavier, must be between 340-345...but overall I really liked it...from my experience I really think that TC95 performs better at higher SWs...
That swingweight reminds me of the swingweight of the extended length racquets like the VCore or Ezone 98+. Am guessing you got the v1 tc95 second hand so could it be an extended length version ? I don’t know how / if the length spec is shown on the racquet. Just thought I’d mention it in case useful.


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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
I had an opportunity to buy and play with TC95 V1, 1st generation....I felt it was rock solid and played great..normally I keep 1g each at 3&9 for better stability...but I didn’t feel the need on V1...:I feel it must have higher SW than my V2s...struggled on serve due to higher SW but my FH, 1HBH, returns etc were solid. SW of All my other racquets would be Around 335...but this one felt even heavier, must be between 340-345...but overall I really liked it...from my experience I really think that TC95 performs better at higher SWs...
I have the tc95 16x19 in all three versions. No doubt V3 is the most stable, because stability is uniformly across the frame (which does not happen in V1 and v2). She is a racket that likes to play heavy, with heavy balls, the heavier the ball of the opponent, the hotter the racket is.

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Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Having just switched from v2 TC95 16x19s with 330sw to v3 TC95 18x20s with 320-325sw, I haven't missed the extra sw at all. I find v3 to be more stable, and with Paul's new layup, I suspect that the v3 16x19s are a bit more controlled and precise. The frame is just very consistent and balanced, and I don't think it's just the differences between string patterns.
 

Nick777

Semi-Pro
I have the tc95 16x19 in all three versions. No doubt V3 is the most stable, because stability is uniformly across the frame (which does not happen in V1 and v2). She is a racket that likes to play heavy, with heavy balls, the heavier the ball of the opponent, the hotter the racket is.

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Which version has the highest sw?
 
That swingweight reminds me of the swingweight of the extended length racquets like the VCore or Ezone 98+. Am guessing you got the v1 tc95 second hand so could it be an extended length version ? I don’t know how / if the length spec is shown on the racquet. Just thought I’d mention it in case useful.


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No it’s the regular length. And balance is 12 pts hL...when I checked the SW using swing tool app, it showed me 340+...not sure how accurate it is. But I really love it on ground strokes but really feeling the weight on the serve. Tried few sessions...getting it strung with lower gauge and less weight strings to see how it feels...
 
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