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Praetor

New User
Hi all,
Long time lurker and first time poster in this thread. I've been using the 16x19/63ra TC95 for almost three years now, and it's a great frame that helped me significantly recover from some recurring arm injuries I suffered with.

To preface the rest of the post, I'm a tournament level player trying to play D1 college tennis. I'm in a bit of an off season from tournament play right now and I'm pretty open-minded towards changes I can make to my game, be it technical or equipment related.

The other day, I was playing some situational points with a few friends and got the chance to play with the matte black RF97, where I immediately felt the benefit of the extra weight. Now, imo my 320gram 12pts headlight TC95s are probably 95% more solid than any other racquet on the market today, but playing with the RF felt like a huge difference from every aspect of the court, especially on returns and for my one handed backhand, which I switched to at the beginning of the year. Not to mention that the little bit of extra head size proved useful, particularly on quick groundstroke exchanges. The overall feel of the racquet also took me a bit by surprise and, honestly, I felt like the feel of the RF was more enjoyable for me than the TC95's (I'm sure a portion of this had to do with the weight difference between the two frames, but if I'm not mistaken I think the handle of the RF is foam filled.) Overall, the RF's feel didn't feel too far off from my old TC97 tour which was my first ever Angell frame (I switched away from it since it was too heavy for me at the time, although that is the best feeling racquet I've ever hit with)

The reason I'm mostly posting in this thread, and not making my own separate one, is because I'm looking for some comparisons between the RF and a similarly weighted TC97. Playing with the RF made me start lusting (for lack of a better word) for the feel of a boxier, heavier frame and I'm trying to get an idea of which frame I'd like to pursue after. I really appreciate Angell as a company and am a bit hesitant to jump ship on them, but I'm just trying to play the best tennis I possibly can, and at the moment I don't think the 95 is the racquet for me.

Thanks for reading, any feedback is appreciated!
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
Hi all,
Long time lurker and first time poster in this thread. I've been using the 16x19/63ra TC95 for almost three years now, and it's a great frame that helped me significantly recover from some recurring arm injuries I suffered with.

To preface the rest of the post, I'm a tournament level player trying to play D1 college tennis. I'm in a bit of an off season from tournament play right now and I'm pretty open-minded towards changes I can make to my game, be it technical or equipment related.

The other day, I was playing some situational points with a few friends and got the chance to play with the matte black RF97, where I immediately felt the benefit of the extra weight. Now, imo my 320gram 12pts headlight TC95s are probably 95% more solid than any other racquet on the market today, but playing with the RF felt like a huge difference from every aspect of the court, especially on returns and for my one handed backhand, which I switched to at the beginning of the year. Not to mention that the little bit of extra head size proved useful, particularly on quick groundstroke exchanges. The overall feel of the racquet also took me a bit by surprise and, honestly, I felt like the feel of the RF was more enjoyable for me than the TC95's (I'm sure a portion of this had to do with the weight difference between the two frames, but if I'm not mistaken I think the handle of the RF is foam filled.) Overall, the RF's feel didn't feel too far off from my old TC97 tour which was my first ever Angell frame (I switched away from it since it was too heavy for me at the time, although that is the best feeling racquet I've ever hit with)

The reason I'm mostly posting in this thread, and not making my own separate one, is because I'm looking for some comparisons between the RF and a similarly weighted TC97. Playing with the RF made me start lusting (for lack of a better word) for the feel of a boxier, heavier frame and I'm trying to get an idea of which frame I'd like to pursue after. I really appreciate Angell as a company and am a bit hesitant to jump ship on them, but I'm just trying to play the best tennis I possibly can, and at the moment I don't think the 95 is the racquet for me.

Thanks for reading, any feedback is appreciated!
Well, you already mentioned your spec on TC95 is 320g/12HL. My spec is actually 320g but 10HL which i feel is a better balance but you can also have 330g/12HL if you want more weight. Or just play around with adding weight and see what might work for you. I am a bit stumped in all honesty how you are striving for D1 and just switched to a 1 hander, thats a very big change for that level. TC97 IMO will never play like an RF97A if that is your goal. The flex and feel is so different and it just will never obliterate the ball like an RF. TC95 with added weight has that dictating prowess but you may want extra head size forgiveness. So if TC95 won’t work for you, check out the TC100 which is Thor’s hammer
 

Username_

Hall of Fame
Hi all,
Long time lurker and first time poster in this thread. I've been using the 16x19/63ra TC95 for almost three years now, and it's a great frame that helped me significantly recover from some recurring arm injuries I suffered with.

To preface the rest of the post, I'm a tournament level player trying to play D1 college tennis. I'm in a bit of an off season from tournament play right now and I'm pretty open-minded towards changes I can make to my game, be it technical or equipment related.

The other day, I was playing some situational points with a few friends and got the chance to play with the matte black RF97, where I immediately felt the benefit of the extra weight. Now, imo my 320gram 12pts headlight TC95s are probably 95% more solid than any other racquet on the market today, but playing with the RF felt like a huge difference from every aspect of the court, especially on returns and for my one handed backhand, which I switched to at the beginning of the year. Not to mention that the little bit of extra head size proved useful, particularly on quick groundstroke exchanges. The overall feel of the racquet also took me a bit by surprise and, honestly, I felt like the feel of the RF was more enjoyable for me than the TC95's (I'm sure a portion of this had to do with the weight difference between the two frames, but if I'm not mistaken I think the handle of the RF is foam filled.) Overall, the RF's feel didn't feel too far off from my old TC97 tour which was my first ever Angell frame (I switched away from it since it was too heavy for me at the time, although that is the best feeling racquet I've ever hit with)

The reason I'm mostly posting in this thread, and not making my own separate one, is because I'm looking for some comparisons between the RF and a similarly weighted TC97. Playing with the RF made me start lusting (for lack of a better word) for the feel of a boxier, heavier frame and I'm trying to get an idea of which frame I'd like to pursue after. I really appreciate Angell as a company and am a bit hesitant to jump ship on them, but I'm just trying to play the best tennis I possibly can, and at the moment I don't think the 95 is the racquet for me.

Thanks for reading, any feedback is appreciated!
Why not just stick with the RF? It doesn't sound like you are dissatisfied with it.
 

galapagos

Semi-Pro
Hi all,
Long time lurker and first time poster in this thread. I've been using the 16x19/63ra TC95 for almost three years now, and it's a great frame that helped me significantly recover from some recurring arm injuries I suffered with.

To preface the rest of the post, I'm a tournament level player trying to play D1 college tennis. I'm in a bit of an off season from tournament play right now and I'm pretty open-minded towards changes I can make to my game, be it technical or equipment related.

The other day, I was playing some situational points with a few friends and got the chance to play with the matte black RF97, where I immediately felt the benefit of the extra weight. Now, imo my 320gram 12pts headlight TC95s are probably 95% more solid than any other racquet on the market today, but playing with the RF felt like a huge difference from every aspect of the court, especially on returns and for my one handed backhand, which I switched to at the beginning of the year. Not to mention that the little bit of extra head size proved useful, particularly on quick groundstroke exchanges. The overall feel of the racquet also took me a bit by surprise and, honestly, I felt like the feel of the RF was more enjoyable for me than the TC95's (I'm sure a portion of this had to do with the weight difference between the two frames, but if I'm not mistaken I think the handle of the RF is foam filled.) Overall, the RF's feel didn't feel too far off from my old TC97 tour which was my first ever Angell frame (I switched away from it since it was too heavy for me at the time, although that is the best feeling racquet I've ever hit with)

The reason I'm mostly posting in this thread, and not making my own separate one, is because I'm looking for some comparisons between the RF and a similarly weighted TC97. Playing with the RF made me start lusting (for lack of a better word) for the feel of a boxier, heavier frame and I'm trying to get an idea of which frame I'd like to pursue after. I really appreciate Angell as a company and am a bit hesitant to jump ship on them, but I'm just trying to play the best tennis I possibly can, and at the moment I don't think the 95 is the racquet for me.

Thanks for reading, any feedback is appreciated!
I would play more with the specs of your tc95 before changing everything and start from the beginning. RF is heavier and maybe even have bigger SW (you didnt mention your tc's SW) You played with tc for 3 years and it helped you recover from injuries. Staying injury free is one of the biggest aspect in tennis IMO :) as a experienced player you should stick to one racquet and grow your tennis with it. If you already like your tc95 there Is no reason to change it after a one hitting session with different racquet ;p its probably just honeymoon . btw I find tc97 heavier than tc95 even with same specs. I guess slightly thinner bridge and smaller head makes the difference :) there are no perfect racquets. Just the racquets you can win with :)
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
I'm in the UK so hopefully should get mine pretty soon after it's dispatched on the 17th, should get some decent court time with it over Xmas too for a review/comparison with the k7 red.

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Already with your K7 Lime in hand?

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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Green or lime wouldn’t be a color I gravitate to but frame looks nice, congrats
I thought it was pretty. A different color I have not seen in any current racquet. Let's see the performance of the racket, I'm very curious about that.

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t_pac

Rookie
I think the green works really well, will look even better with a white overgrip

Will string it up tonight or tomorrow and hopefully hit with it Thursday. Guessing the handle is siliconed as it doesn't have a removable butt cap. Two overgrips and a little lead at 12 should have it at the same specs as my Reds...



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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
I think the green works really well, will look even better with a white overgrip

Will string it up tonight or tomorrow and hopefully hit with it Thursday. Guessing the handle is siliconed as it doesn't have a removable butt cap. Two overgrips and a little lead at 12 should have it at the same specs as my Reds...



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Too bad the lid is not removable. I would like to see if it has silicone on the cord (I think it should have) the size of the hilt is bigger than the custom models? For my K7 Red L3, had a handle larger than the Tc95 L3.

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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
I think the green works really well, will look even better with a white overgrip

Will string it up tonight or tomorrow and hopefully hit with it Thursday. Guessing the handle is siliconed as it doesn't have a removable butt cap. Two overgrips and a little lead at 12 should have it at the same specs as my Reds...



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Please do not forget to do a review for us.

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topspn

Hall of Fame
That is very strange, indeed there is no gap to release the butt cap. Even if there is Silicone which i was curious if there is, why discourage removal of the butt cap. I am also curious if someone that owns a TC95 18x20 could compare string pattern density the new K7
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
The buttcap is quite different, more rounded. It should be much more comfortable for those who get along at the end of the rope.

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The edges look more rounded but no release for the butt cap, just odd. I had zero problem with the other end cap
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
Of course I'll.
However I still don't know yet when I am able to play with it. My hitting partners are too busy fathers during this time of the year ;)
Once you string, you can just see how the string density looks and compares to TC95 ;)
 
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Gee

Hall of Fame
Yes, I also see no reason not to have the cover. Maybe they still do not make this kind of cap end cap.

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It should be more comfortable especially if you hold the racket at the end of the handle. I am curious about that.
 

Nick777

Semi-Pro
I think the green works really well, will look even better with a white overgrip

Will string it up tonight or tomorrow and hopefully hit with it Thursday. Guessing the handle is siliconed as it doesn't have a removable butt cap. Two overgrips and a little lead at 12 should have it at the same specs as my Reds...



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Same grip size as k7 Red? Probably silicone inside but gives you no choice to put some if already doesnt have plus silicone inside the handle should Change to New one every 2 years at least with fresh one at my opinion
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
I also think so. I'll know that tomorrow.
Besides I'll replace the synthetic grip with a leather grip and and lead strips at 3 and 9.
When I charge mine I will add lead at 3, 9 and 12 o'clock. But I will not add leather.

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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Interesting! I guess the K7 Lime might be very similar as it also has graphite/kevlar (twaron) composition.
I had a K7 Red and really the feel was very close despite the different string pattern. I think K7 Lime will get very close to pt630. Head PT630 to tc95 are rackets that I love. And in the future the k7 lime will be my second 18x20 in the backpack.

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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
I think the green works really well, will look even better with a white overgrip

Will string it up tonight or tomorrow and hopefully hit with it Thursday. Guessing the handle is siliconed as it doesn't have a removable butt cap. Two overgrips and a little lead at 12 should have it at the same specs as my Reds...



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Put more pictures of K7 Lime from other angles, photo of sticker and etc.

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Praetor

New User
I would play more with the specs of your tc95 before changing everything and start from the beginning. RF is heavier and maybe even have bigger SW (you didnt mention your tc's SW) You played with tc for 3 years and it helped you recover from injuries. Staying injury free is one of the biggest aspect in tennis IMO :) as a experienced player you should stick to one racquet and grow your tennis with it. If you already like your tc95 there Is no reason to change it after a one hitting session with different racquet ;p its probably just honeymoon . btw I find tc97 heavier than tc95 even with same specs. I guess slightly thinner bridge and smaller head makes the difference :) there are no perfect racquets. Just the racquets you can win with :)
You're totally right here and I forgot to mention that I have been playing with weight the last couple of days, 6 grams at 3 & 9 o'clock with TW titanium tape. The racquet totally does feel much better overall, but I'm not getting that ball crushing feel that I'd really like. I'm totally open to suggestions about where else to put some, as I do think that my post yesterday was little bit too negative towards my 95s, which are great frames. I've spent some more time thinking about it, and I think what I'd really benefit more from is extra weight, not a different racquet.
Well, you already mentioned your spec on TC95 is 320g/12HL. My spec is actually 320g but 10HL which i feel is a better balance but you can also have 330g/12HL if you want more weight.
Not trying to sound ignorant but just curious why you do you feel 320g 10hl is a better balance?
I am a bit stumped in all honesty how you are striving for D1 and just switched to a 1 hander, thats a very big change for that level.
Agree with you that it is a big change, however I first learned to play the game with a one hander and developed pretty good technique and feel. Eventually, I was told to switch to two hands which I did for about 4 years, although I never really developed feel and couldn't generate much topspin. It took me about 6 months of thinking about it and deliberation with my coach but I think it was the right call for me to switch overall. I'm able to generate actual topspin now, and I've found myself to be a lot more comfortable with my game as a whole.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
[QUOTE="


Not trying to sound ignorant but just curious why you do you feel 320g 10hl is a better balance?

Agree with you that it is a big change, however I first learned to play the game with a one hander and developed pretty good technique and feel. Eventually, I was told to switch to two hands which I did for about 4 years, although I never really developed feel and couldn't generate much topspin. It took me about 6 months of thinking about it and deliberation with my coach but I think it was the right call for me to switch overall. I'm able to generate actual topspin now, and I've found myself to be a lot more comfortable with my game as a whole.[/QUOTE]

Same racquet in same weight and less HL means more mass towards the head and will hit with more authority. Good luck moving back to a 1HBH and keep in mind these custom angells have a weight system under the pallet so you can add weight and adjust balance. You could certainly make adjustments and add weight in the head as well. You can get a frame that hits just as big as an RF which is not a stretch at all with power the frame already has.
 

Jouke

Semi-Pro
I think it is a shame to see Angell move away from the custom aspect more with the K7 green. The static weight now has become too much for me, and with no trap door one of the counterweight possibilities (or possibilities to remove silicon have been taken from us).
305gram, around 7-9 points headlight, 18-20, K7 Ra would have been so nice and would have made me stay with Angell the rest of my life I guess.
 

Nick777

Semi-Pro
I think it is a shame to see Angell move away from the custom aspect more with the K7 green. The static weight now has become too much for me, and with no trap door one of the counterweight possibilities (or possibilities to remove silicon have been taken from us).
305gram, around 7-9 points headlight, 18-20, K7 Ra would have been so nice and would have made me stay with Angell the rest of my life I guess.
Why dont you ask Paul if he can figure out something? If you dont like the tc95-97 custom 18/20 options you might order a k7 lime with trap door if possible
 

Praetor

New User
Same racquet in same weight and less HL means more mass towards the head and will hit with more authority. Good luck moving back to a 1HBH and keep in mind these custom angells have a weight system under the pallet so you can add weight and adjust balance. You could certainly make adjustments and add weight in the head as well. You can get a frame that hits just as big as an RF which is not a stretch at all with power the frame already has.
Thank you, and that makes sense with the 10pts hl instead of 12.

I am aware of the weight system under the pallet but is it actually possible for a consumer to tinker with? Or am I better off just wrapping lead around the handle?
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
Thank you, and that makes sense with the 10pts hl instead of 12.

I am aware of the weight system under the pallet but is it actually possible for a consumer to tinker with? Or am I better off just wrapping lead around the handle?
I have not done it myself, however others on this forum have done it. In addition, we have a professional racquet customizer on this forum @Geoff who has made adjustments to my frames before. Of course, wrapping lead under the grip and to the head is an alternative as well. @saleem can show you some pics and tips on removing the pallet and making weight adjustments.
 

Praetor

New User
I have not done it myself, however others on this forum have done it. In addition, we have a professional racquet customizer on this forum @Geoff who has made adjustments to my frames before. Of course, wrapping lead under the grip and to the head is an alternative as well. @saleem can show you some pics and tips on removing the pallet and making weight adjustments.
Thanks for the suggestions and references, appreciate it. If anyone is even able link to past pages in the thread where there's mention of how to make those weight adjustments that'd be great!
 

CosmosMpower

Hall of Fame
Thank you, and that makes sense with the 10pts hl instead of 12.

I am aware of the weight system under the pallet but is it actually possible for a consumer to tinker with? Or am I better off just wrapping lead around the handle?
It's easy to remove and move the weights around to achieve your desired total weight and balance but if you break a pallet have fun trying to get a replacement! They are made from a cheap hard foam material and after stapling and removing a few times they will crumble and break (especially where the butt cap attaches).
 

Praetor

New User
It's easy to remove and move the weights around to achieve your desired total weight and balance but if you break a pallet have fun trying to get a replacement! They are made from a cheap hard foam material and after stapling and removing a few times they will crumble and break (especially where the butt cap attaches).
Thanks for letting me know. I'm sure wrapping lead around the handle would be fine as well.
 

saleem

Semi-Pro
Thank you, and that makes sense with the 10pts hl instead of 12.

I am aware of the weight system under the pallet but is it actually possible for a consumer to tinker with? Or am I better off just wrapping lead around the handle?
It is not difficult to shift the weights around inside the pallets, if you remove the grip you will see there are 3-4 staples on the buttcap and 2 in the middle of pallets, remove those staples carefully (I have re used the buttcap one's) using execto knife cut the glue from middle of the two halves, heat the top and bottom side of the pallets with hair dryer for 25-30 seconds, slowly peel of the both halves of the pallet.... take a picture of the weight locations, you will find 3 weights inside in your case the heaviest weight would be close the butt cap swap that weight with the furthest one toward bottom of the grip (it is 7" away from the buttcap) I added tiny bit of bluetak to keep the weight inside the slots but it is not necessary.

You can reassemble it by using the staples in the middle, I end up using packing tape on it instead of staples.

Here is picture of Angell pallet disassembled
 
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Praetor

New User
It is not difficult to shift the weights around inside the pallets, if you remove the grip you will see there are 3-4 staples on the buttcap and 2 in the middle of pallets, remove those staples carefully (I have re used the buttcap one's) using execto knife cut the glue from middle of the two halves, heat the top and bottom side of the pallets with hair dryer for 25-30 seconds, slowly peel of the both halves of the pallet.... take a picture of the weight locations, you will find 3 wheights inside in your case the heaviest weight would be close the butt cap swap that weight with the furthest one toward bottom of the grip (it is 7" away from the buttcap) I added tiny bit of bluetak to keep the weight inside the slots but it is not necessary.

You can reassemble it by using the staples in the middle, I end up using packing tape on it instead of staples.

Here is picture of Angell pallet disassembled
Thanks a lot for this reply, it’s very informative.

I think I might try this first on one of my older frames that has a small crack in the hoop, to see if I’m capable of the reassembly. If not I’ll just wrap some lead around the handle.

What changes in spec did you notice with swapping the weights?
 

saleem

Semi-Pro
Thanks a lot for this reply, it’s very informative.

I think I might try this first on one of my older frames that has a small crack in the hoop, to see if I’m capable of the reassembly. If not I’ll just wrap some lead around the handle.

What changes in spec did you notice with swapping the weights?
I like my rackets above 350 grams 31.40 balance, it helps with all court game including quick exchanges at the net, balance is personal preference, if you are base line player 5-7 hl is good enough if you play doubles and/or serve and volley player 8-10 hl is good.
 

Praetor

New User
I like my rackets above 350 grams 31.40 balance, it helps with all court game including quick exchanges at the net, balance is personal preference, if you are base line player 5-7 hl is good enough if you play doubles and/or serve and volley player 8-10 hl is good.
So you’re saying that swapping the weights gives an increase in static weight and makes the racquet several points less hl? Not sure if I’m grasping the exact difference this makes.

Is it possible to estimate what the difference in spec will be? What difference in the spec did you notice for yourself? I imagine it varies racquet to racquet. My TC95s are 27.25” 320g 12hl for reference.

Sorry for barraging you with questions, just trying to understand this haha
 
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