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Why is your K7 so much heavier than mine? What leather grip did you put on your K7 Lime? And what string gauges? My K7 Lime weighs 338 grams with Babolat Natural Leather, Yonex SG Overgrip, Pacific O-dampener and Head RIP Control 1.20 mm / MSV Co.Focus 1.18 mm. The balance (strung) is 31.6 cm.
Can you tell us the actual balance with this configuration?
I need the have about 7/8 points HL strung,with about 330-335grs.
If can get those specs,K7 Lime is for sure my next frame!
 
Why is your K7 so much heavier than mine? What leather grip did you put on your K7 Lime? And what string gauges? My K7 Lime weighs 338 grams with Babolat Natural Leather, Yonex SG Overgrip, Pacific O-dampener and Head RIP Control 1.20 mm / MSV Co.Focus 1.18 mm. The balance (strung) is 31.6 cm.
I don’t have digital scale so I can’t be precise. But it looked to me to be over 340 for sure. I used Angell leather grip. Per Paul (I emailed him before making the purchase), with leather it adds about 8-9g. RS Lyon and Hyper G 1.20. I use the “worm” type of dampener and the overgrip is a Wilson brand, don’t know the specific type.
 
Just from hitting against the wall and also keep in mind my UT is ~340g with tape: the K7 Lime has plenty of power. At 50 lbs it doesn’t feel boardy at all so I might go up a pound if it’s too much power. I’d say it probably has more power than my UT! It’s just easy to swing while the UT now feels sluggish in comparison.

The Lime is about 1/16 of an inch narrower than UT, about 2/16” longer. With leather grip, overgrip, and dampener it weighs about 345ish.

From what I can tell today, power and control shouldn’t be an issue. I’d just adjust the tension. Curious to see how it volleys and returning serve. My UT feels pretty good at the net.

Can you tell us the actual balance with this configuration?
I need the have about 7/8 points HL strung,with about 330-335grs.
If can get those specs,K7 Lime is for sure my next frame!


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Why is your K7 so much heavier than mine? What leather grip did you put on your K7 Lime? And what string gauges? My K7 Lime weighs 338 grams with Babolat Natural Leather, Yonex SG Overgrip, Pacific O-dampener and Head RIP Control 1.20 mm / MSV Co.Focus 1.18 mm. The balance (strung) is 31.6 cm.
Your K7 Lime is very under spec it seems. A dense 18x20, 315g racquet should end up over 345g or so (with OG & dampener) strung up if you have swapped with a leather grip.

For reference, my 310g TC97 (18×20) comes to 344g when I switched to leather plus OG and dampner. Yours being a 315g should be even higher. Super Grap is also a heavier OG on the weight spectrum. Something is off. Perhaps re-weigh and see? Now I do have 17g Hyper-G full bed and poly is indeed heavier but that should not make more than 2-3g difference, I don't think.

In addition, Babolat Leather grip is heavier than Angell leather (I have the latter installed). So with all factors into consideration, yours should be closer to 350g.
 
Can you tell us the actual balance with this configuration?
I need the have about 7/8 points HL strung,with about 330-335grs.
If can get those specs,K7 Lime is for sure my next frame!


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If I did my measurement right, mine is about 7 pts HL (with dampener and everything). If you use Angell’s Leather grip it will add 8-9grams so it might be tough to hit 330g strung. 335-340 is possible. Someone else please correct me if I’m wrong.
 
If I did my measurement right, mine is about 7 pts HL (with dampener and everything). If you use Angell’s Leather grip it will add 8-9grams so it might be tough to hit 330g strung. 335-340 is possible. Someone else please correct me if I’m wrong.
I don't think 330g will be possible. Borderline 335g if racquet is underspec. Please see my post above. I think your K7 Lime is bang on in terms of how a 315g racquet should be.
 
Why is your K7 so much heavier than mine? What leather grip did you put on your K7 Lime? And what string gauges? My K7 Lime weighs 338 grams with Babolat Natural Leather, Yonex SG Overgrip, Pacific O-dampener and Head RIP Control 1.20 mm / MSV Co.Focus 1.18 mm. The balance (strung) is 31.6 cm.
Did you weigh the frame before stringing/gripping it?
 
Should be 10pt HL unstrung, so that would be roughly 7pt when strung, and will be around 330g or 331g depending on what strings are used.

Of course that’s assuming the original grip is kept and no OG.
 

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Your K7 Lime is very under spec it seems. A dense 18x20, 315g racquet should end up over 345g or so (with OG & dampener) strung up if you have swapped with a leather grip.

For reference, my 310g TC97 (18×20) comes to 344g when I switched to leather plus OG and dampner. Yours being a 315g should be even higher. Super Grap is also a heavier OG on the weight spectrum. Something is off. Perhaps re-weigh and see? Now I do have 17g Hyper-G full bed and poly is indeed heavier but that should not make more than 2-3g difference, I don't think.

In addition, Babolat Leather grip is heavier than Angell leather (I have the latter installed). So with all factors into consideration, yours should be closer to 350g.
I rechecked. I don't know exactly the unstrung weight with the original grip anymore. I thought it was 314 grams and 321 grams with leather grip.
However my TC95 330 grams unstrung weighs 351 grams total with 4 grams of lead, same strings, overgrip and dampener. So that is a difference of 9 grams vs my K7 of 338 grams. Thats sounds plausible.
 
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However my TC95 330 grams unstrung weighs 351 grams total with 4 grams of lead, same strings, overgrip and dampener.
Math doesn't add up here. Your TC95 330g unstrung with Yonex SG overgrip comes to 337g. Now add 4 grams of lead. Thats 341g. Dampner is 2g so that is 343g. Even the lightest of strings can not weigh 8g (avg weight strings add is 15-18g) if your end static weight is 351g. Either your 330g isn't actually 330g or your scale isn't measuring right.
 
I rechecked. I don't know exactly the unstrung weight with the original grip anymore. I thought it was 314 grams and 321 grams with leather grip.
However my TC95 330 grams unstrung weighs 351 grams total with 4 grams of lead, same strings, overgrip and dampener. So that is a difference of 9 grams vs my K7 of 338 grams. Thats sounds plausible.
How are u measuring your specs if you do not mind sharing? Sometimes kitchen scales are not very accurate. Your TC 95 that is 330 grams unstrung, can not only adds 17 grams once strings, overgrip and dampener are added. 347 grams ending weight (before you added 4 grams lead) is way too low and not realistic really. Same for ur 338 gram K7 Lime. If it is 315 grams or 314 gram like u said, it should be wayy over 338 gram after replacing with leather grip and adding strings, og and dampener.
 
There is still Völkl and Prince leather made of calfskin:
https://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/Volkl_Leather_Grip_Brown/descpageVOLKLGH-VLGBN.html
https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_Premium_Leather_Replacement_Grip/descpageTWABG-PPLRG.html

I tried Völkl leather into the past and I really liked the feel but the surface with a raised contour.
Yep, my significant other plays with Volkl leather and loves it. I meant Head doesn't make Calfskin available anymore. Just their Tour version leather grip.
 
I seem to be the only one not agreeing with this. I have some of the latest head finest leather calfskins and some Oehms premium leather grips and the oehms doesnt even come close to the head grips. If I remember correctly Topspn said Angelo Oehms in the passed used to provide head with leather grips. I have no idea how long this was ago (might have been quite a while ago), but imho the leather calfskins from head are of far better quality than the Oehms ones. In fact @Gee send me your adress and I will ship them to you for free if you want.

I tried the black pearl rough and really liked it in some frames, some of my teammates now use it as their goto string. I really disliked the string in angells though.
Will know soon enough, mine will be arriving shortly. I'm kinds skeptical now since @saleem mentioned that even the owner knows about quality drop. Wish I had grabbed a few last year when I had the chance.
 
In this post I told about my problems with a replacement grommet set being very brittle and having 11 damaged grommets after 20 hours play on the first string job. I replaced that set with my last replacement set, and although it felt softer when I installed it, after 3 hours of play there's already 1 split grommet. I got these grommet sets in 3/2017 when I bought my racket. Must have been part of a bad batch.

Where's the best place to order more grommet sets in the US, advancedracquets?
 
Your K7 Lime is very under spec it seems. A dense 18x20, 315g racquet should end up over 345g or so (with OG & dampener) strung up if you have swapped with a leather grip.

For reference, my 310g TC97 (18×20) comes to 344g when I switched to leather plus OG and dampner. Yours being a 315g should be even higher. Super Grap is also a heavier OG on the weight spectrum. Something is off. Perhaps re-weigh and see? Now I do have 17g Hyper-G full bed and poly is indeed heavier but that should not make more than 2-3g difference, I don't think.

In addition, Babolat Leather grip is heavier than Angell leather (I have the latter installed). So with all factors into consideration, yours should be closer to 350g.
Math doesn't add up here. Your TC95 330g unstrung with Yonex SG overgrip comes to 337g. Now add 4 grams of lead. Thats 341g. Dampner is 2g so that is 343g. Even the lightest of strings can not weigh 8g (avg weight strings add is 15-18g) if your end static weight is 351g. Either your 330g isn't actually 330g or your scale isn't measuring right.
How are u measuring your specs if you do not mind sharing? Sometimes kitchen scales are not very accurate. Your TC 95 that is 330 grams unstrung, can not only adds 17 grams once strings, overgrip and dampener are added. 347 grams ending weight (before you added 4 grams lead) is way too low and not realistic really. Same for ur 338 gram K7 Lime. If it is 315 grams or 314 gram like u said, it should be wayy over 338 gram after replacing with leather grip and adding strings, og and dampener.
@Gee is using Head RIP Control which is a very light string, one pack of Head RIP Control 1.20 weights 15.5 g and one pack of poly 21 - 22 g, so you are not exactly comparing apples to apples.
 

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@Gee is using Head RIP Control which is a very light string, one pack of Head RIP Control 1.20 weights 15.5 g and one pack of poly 21 - 22 g, so you are not exactly comparing apples to apples.
Indeed that is what I would like to add. A full Head RIP Control adds about 12-13 grams.

Regarding the weight of my TC95 I now remember again that Paul added 3 grams at 12 (because I wanted to order a frame with a higher swingweight) that I removed and after that I placed 4 grams at 10-11. So the weight unstrung should be ca. 331 grams. Together with Yonex SG Overgrip (5 grams) and strings (13 grams) and dampener (2 grams) makes 351 grams in total. (Hereby I estimated the weights of the parts as I didn't weigh each part exactly).
 
@Gee is using Head RIP Control which is a very light string, one pack of Head RIP Control 1.20 weights 15.5 g and one pack of poly 21 - 22 g, so you are not exactly comparing apples to apples.
You are incorrect. Full bed 17 gauge Hyper G comes to 16g-17g in a 18x20 TC97. And like I said in my earlier post, a maximum 2-3 gram difference is understandable. HEAD RIP Control is 15g. There is no way there is a difference of 6-7g like you are suggesting.
 
Indeed that is what I would like to add. A full Head RIP Control adds about 12-13 grams.

Regarding the weight of my TC95 I now remember again that Paul added 3 grams at 12 (because I wanted to order a frame with a higher swingweight) that I removed and after that I placed 4 grams at 10-11. So the weight unstrung should be ca. 331 grams. Together with Yonex SG Overgrip (5 grams) and strings (13 grams) and dampener (2 grams) makes 351 grams in total. (Hereby I estimated the weights of the parts as I didn't weigh each part exactly).
Not sure what to tell you since I actually have measured each thing mentioned here individually on a calibrated scale and your counts are off. A Yonex SG is not 5g. It is minimum 7g, more if you don't trim. I used HEAD RIP Control myself in my APD and PD and then in my Dunlop NT Tour which is same pattern as my TC97 and they measure 15g, never less. Anyway, best of luck to you.
 
@Gee is using Head RIP Control which is a very light string, one pack of Head RIP Control 1.20 weights 15.5 g and one pack of poly 21 - 22 g, so you are not exactly comparing apples to apples.
Indeed that is what I would like to add. A full Head RIP Control adds about 12-13 grams.

Regarding the weight of my TC95 I now remember again that Paul added 3 grams at 12 (because I wanted to order a frame with a higher swingweight) that I removed and after that I placed 4 grams at 10-11. So the weight unstrung should be ca. 331 grams. Together with Yonex SG Overgrip (5 grams) and strings (13 grams) and dampener (2 grams) makes 351 grams in total. (Hereby I estimated the weights of the parts as I didn't weigh each part exactly).
I currently have head RIP Control 18 in my TC95. The strings weigh 15g on the dot. It does not weighh any less than that. And I have strung mine up multiple times. With polys it is maybe 2g more. When I used thicker YPTP 17, it came out 2 grams more at 17g. A poly vs multi isn't going to give you 7 or 8 gram difference like you are making it out to be. That is too big a difference.
 
@Gee is using Head RIP Control which is a very light string, one pack of Head RIP Control 1.20 weights 15.5 g and one pack of poly 21 - 22 g, so you are not exactly comparing apples to apples.
Well @haqq777 already replied to you but just to reiterate, a full poly in 18x20 once strung doesn't come to "21-22g" like you are saying. I use a 100 sq inch Head Graphene 360 Speed Pro at times. My string weight comes to barely 18 grams. I use Solinco Tourbite 1.25 which is a full poly and thicker than 1.20. And we are talking about TC95 here, not even 100 square inches head size. String type differences are not usually more than 2 -2.5 grams.
 
I currently have head RIP Control 18 in my TC95. The strings weigh 15g on the dot. It does not weighh any less than that. And I have strung mine up multiple times. With polys it is maybe 2g more. When I used thicker YPTP 17, it came out 2 grams more at 17g. A poly vs multi isn't going to give you 7 or 8 gram difference like you are making it out to be. That is too big a difference.
Well @haqq777 already replied to you but just to reiterate, a full poly in 18x20 once strung doesn't come to "21-22g" like you are saying. I use a 100 sq inch Head Graphene 360 Speed Pro at times. My string weight comes to barely 18 grams. I use Solinco Tourbite 1.25 which is a full poly and thicker than 1.20. And we are talking about TC95 here, not even 100 square inches head size. String type differences are not usually more than 2 -2.5 grams.
Correct. I recently did a playtest for Dunlop Srixon CX200 (link here) for TW. I first used Dunlop Silk 16, a light multi. And then I used Volkl Cyclone 16, an avg weight poly. Measured all specs as I am pretty anal about those things. The weight difference in strings? 2g.
 
You are taking this too serious, I said one pack of string that is 12 m of uninstalled string.

I did not said anybody is right or wrong, I was just pointing out that a big difference in string weight is actually possible because of diffrent string types.
 
You are taking this too serious, I said one pack of string that is 12 m of uninstalled string.

I did not said anybody is right or wrong, I was just pointing out that a big difference in string weight is actually possible because of diffrent string types.
I understand, I wasn't taking it too seriously by any means. Was just giving you my humble take as I have seen myself. Off course as you mentioned your experience has been different. Also, I was talking about strung up racquets. I measure my racquet unstrung and then after it has been strung (with just addition of strings). Difference gives me weight of strings. And my specs are measured on my local pro shops RDC unit.
 
Since we were talking grips and accessories, I thought I would share this here. It is an excellent resource for grip weights and sizes:

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...pecs-weight-thickness-into-one-thread.465717/

I think Angell leather wasn't updated in there. But I took a picture of all of my leather grips taken off from racquets as they were installed from Angell. They came in at 20g installed, on the dot. Both tan and black. Hope that helps whoever is looking for such specs.



I also shared pictures way back on this thread of Angell Synthetic ones that came off of TC100 and TC95 racquets. They were 13.3g and 13.1g. Will share them if I find them in my computer or phone. So you are basically looking at another 7-8 grams or whereabouts when you plan to switch from synthetic to leather (within Angell brand). More, if you choose heavier leather grips like those from Oehms, Volkl or Fairway.
 
Since we were talking grips and accessories, I thought I would share this here. It is an excellent resource for grip weights and sizes:

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...pecs-weight-thickness-into-one-thread.465717/

I think Angell leather wasn't updated in there. But I took a picture of all of my leather grips taken off from racquets as they were installed from Angell. They came in at 20g installed, on the dot. Both tan and black. Hope that helps whoever is looking for such specs.



I also shared pictures way back on this thread of Angell Synthetic ones that came off of TC100 and TC95 racquets. They were 13.3g and 13.1g. Will share them if I find them in my computer or phone. So you are basically looking at another 7-8 grams or whereabouts when you plan to switch from synthetic to leather (within Angell brand). More, if you choose heavier leather grips like those from Oehms, Volkl or Fairway.
Very nice. I think Oehms will need to be updated in that link after what Saleem mentioned above. I really hope my Oehms I have ordered arent like those cheap flimsy grips. I just don't want to be disappointed after hearing such raving reviews of Oehms from a lot of posters here.
 
Hard to gauge a frame going straight in adding 15g to the handle with the grip changes, then hitting against a wall. Obviously the balance will of changed etc, and them walls have a canny way of getting everything back.
 

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Very nice. I think Oehms will need to be updated in that link after what Saleem mentioned above. I really hope my Oehms I have ordered arent like those cheap flimsy grips. I just don't want to be disappointed after hearing such raving reviews of Oehms from a lot of posters here.
I also hope so.
 
Since we were talking grips and accessories, I thought I would share this here. It is an excellent resource for grip weights and sizes:

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...pecs-weight-thickness-into-one-thread.465717/

I think Angell leather wasn't updated in there. But I took a picture of all of my leather grips taken off from racquets as they were installed from Angell. They came in at 20g installed, on the dot. Both tan and black. Hope that helps whoever is looking for such specs.



I also shared pictures way back on this thread of Angell Synthetic ones that came off of TC100 and TC95 racquets. They were 13.3g and 13.1g. Will share them if I find them in my computer or phone. So you are basically looking at another 7-8 grams or whereabouts when you plan to switch from synthetic to leather (within Angell brand). More, if you choose heavier leather grips like those from Oehms, Volkl or Fairway.
You had to trim quite a bit of the Oehms to match the Angell grip weight. I suspect around 7-8g but did it shorten the Oehms too much?
 
You had to trim quite a bit of the Oehms to match the Angell grip weight. I suspect around 7-8g but did it shorten the Oehms too much?
Yep, close to 5g actually if I recall correctly. No it didn't shorten it because the grip was long enough and I stretched it well too before wrapping. I think mine was 25g untrimmed (will have to double check but I think that's right) so it wasn't hard to bring it down to 20g. Took me a few tries though as it was by trial and error. But doable for sure.
 
Yep, close to 5g actually if I recall correctly. No it didn't shorten it because the grip was long enough and I stretched it well too before wrapping. I think mine was 25g untrimmed (will have to double check but I think that's right) so it wasn't hard to bring it down to 20g. Took me a few tries though as it was by trial and error. But doable for sure.
I have a previously used Angell leather that measures 19g and you’re right about Oehms. I have a new one with backing on it and measures 25g. Good to know it doesn’t get to short.
 
I recently bought tc95 63ra 16x19 and k7 lime :) now I just need to pick the one that will be my main racquet :) So far I played with tc 95 16x19 v3 and I am quite surprised with the control it offers. I had absolutely no issues going from my tc95 18x20. Perhaps different string setups but still... very good racquet! :) It seems I just love tc95 design no matter the string pattern.
 
I recently bought tc95 63ra 16x19 and k7 lime :) now I just need to pick the one that will be my main racquet :) So far I played with tc 95 16x19 v3 and I am quite surprised with the control it offers. I had absolutely no issues going from my tc95 18x20. Perhaps different string setups but still... very good racquet! :) It seems I just love tc95 design no matter the string pattern.
Got to test the K7 Lime?

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I have a previously used Angell leather that measures 19g and you’re right about Oehms. I have a new one with backing on it and measures 25g. Good to know it doesn’t get to short.
here is a good tip for the leather grip, 2-3 times a season remove overgrip, apply castor oil liberally on the leather grip let it sit for 6-8 hours and re do your overgrip, it makes your leather grip very soft and comfortable again.
 
Would be easy enough to keep the weight down - played stock it should be about 332/31/320.

My setup:

Monogut ZX / Velocity @ 56/54
Wilson Shockshield
Babolat VS Overgrip
3g tape at the top of the hoop

348g, 31.6cm, 330sw

All matched (within 2g) of my Reds. Wanted to keep everything the same to give a fair comparison.

Will give my thoughts on how it plays tomorrow.
 
Would be easy enough to keep the weight down - played stock it would be about 332/31/320.

My setup:

Monogut ZX / Velocity @ 56/54
Wilson Shockshield
Babolat VS Overgrip
3g tape at the top of the hoop

348g, 31.6cm, 330sw

All matched (within 2g) of my Reds. Wanted to keep everything the same to give a fair comparison.

Will give my thoughts on how it plays tomorrow.
How much grs for the Wilson Shock Shield grip?is it heavier than most of leather grips?


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