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haqq777

Legend
@haq777 I don't use any sensors but I've allways wondered if it's worth buying one.

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As @recsoares mentioned, it is pretty basic and not extremely accurate, but definitely good for giving an idea atleast. I think Sony one is better too. And best one offcourse is what @topspn above mentioned; Playsight. That one is a different playing field altogether for stats monitoring.

As for being worth it or not, I got mine on sale at TW for pretty cheap. I'm pretty satisfied with it.
 

haqq777

Legend
I have it laying around somewhere, tried it for short period of time, but I either forget to charge it of take it with me, so I gave up


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Yeah I completely understand where you are coming from. I'm usually the same way. Just that I found a nice spot for it's charger and I have been remembering to pick it up on my way out lately :)
 

haqq777

Legend
I've also wondered. I tried wearing my Apple Watch on my hitting hand, and using Tennis Keeper, to log shot data, but it was unnatural to have a watch and extra weight there I couldn't take it and gave up. I love metrics, I'd have fun playing around with data.
Yeah its pretty basic but definitely gives a good basic idea of how well you are hitting the ball. Since it wears as a wrist band and I wear those regularly, it blends in well for me.
 

haqq777

Legend
Once you have tried PlaySight it’s level of sophistication is beyond what you can imagine. Just anything you can think of it will slice and dice. Only know of two places around Chicago that have it, Midtown and Northwestern
Playsight is on another level, nothing even comes close to be honest. I played at JTCC last year and was blown away.

Playing there allowed me to get all philosophical as well and I made this thread to answer some serious questions about my game:

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/hitting-flatter-and-a-bit-higher-mph-as-i-age.618134/
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
I'm curious if anyone here uses Babolat POP sensor for tracking their game statistics? It's a great little tool on your wrist that wears like a wrist band and tracks strokes. I have been using Angells for multiple years now, switching between different lines. Have not gotten this high a score consecutively since switching to my V3 TC97 18x20 (topped the US list last night, final PIQ score just a bit under 9K). I averaged before in low 8K and slowly started moving upwards last few weeks. Has to also do with sparring partners I have noticed. Anyway, pretty happy since I can tell when I hit well and when I am sucking. Sticks are keeper for sure. If anyone uses the POP let me know and I'll add profile as a friend on there.
I used the Zepp V1 for a while and it helped me as I revamped my second serve to be more modern and hyper spinny but they screwed up the interface. I love the feedback I got... like the way everyone I was hitting with went to my forehand 75% of the time. Sadly they screwed up the interface and the aspects I used. Wouldnt mind tring a better version with new tech and far more helpful data.
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
I've also wondered. I tried wearing my Apple Watch on my hitting hand, and using Tennis Keeper, to log shot data, but it was unnatural to have a watch and extra weight there I couldn't take it and gave up. I love metrics, I'd have fun playing around with data.
Tennis Keeper data was quite erratic in my case. And same for me - it was not natural to have a watch on my right hand.
 

recsoares

Rookie

topspn

Hall of Fame
Where can I buy online this sensor?
I’ve never heard about it...


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It’s not a sensor, it is a camera system on the court and a terminal to put instructions and get information. You also sign up on their website and email to you all information and video. So it is not a wearable device
 

haqq777

Legend
Where can I buy online this sensor?
I’ve never heard about it...


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They are basically technology integrated courts (smart courts) with cameras and sensors. Not something you can wear or attach somewhere to your equipment. The numbers you get there are far more in-depth and insightful than portable sensors.

Here is a good article with a small video clip explaining it all:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tennis-tech-smart-rackets-and-digital-courts-1401231492
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
I've used the Pop sensor from time to time. I forget to put it on like mentioned above. I think you can find them for about $60 or less at specialty stores.

come find me on there and see my low scores :)
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
My TC95 V3 arrived today, what a beauty!

Probably won’t be able to hit until the weekend, but nothing wrong with the looks.

I opted for grip shape C this time, and that is definitely the right one for me.
The more I try different racquets and even other Angells, the more I appreciate how versatile the playability of this frame is. Best of luck!
 

Kurt0707

New User
Anyone played with K7 Lime and also TC97 16x19, based on specs TC97 is expected to be less flex with more power, and probably also more spin. Curious about how each performs on groundstokes, OHBH top-spin and slices, serves and volleys. Is K7 lime better for doubles and TC97 for singles for example?
 

drak

Hall of Fame
Been playing around with the handle weights in my TC100 for the past weeks. I had been playing with it at around 330 grams total weight (plus or minus 6-7) and about 6-7 pts HL for months but was not really feelin it. I haven't really been happy as if felt sluggish and I had trouble "feeling the head" as I prefer. So I removed the weight near the 7 inch mark and the 2nd weight up from the butt, only handle weight left is the one nearest the butt. Then I added about 5-6 grams of lead tape where I removed the lower weight. Now it weights 315 grams total and is 4.5 pts HL. Have played and hit with it twice and I gotta say this is the best "version" of this frame I have yet hit with, my racket head speed has picked up significantly adding spin and control and frankly I haven't noticed any significant lack of "plow or stability". My hitting partner said my ball speed and spin was noticeably increased, volleys felt better and serve was similar. Frankly if felt a bit more like a TC95 as I could feel the head more and really "whip" the frame more which suits my style of play more. Slice BH remained very good as it excels IMO with the frame. I have to say I love the ability to tweek a frame like this, I'll give it a few more weeks and see if the "bliss" lasts...
 

Taita87

Rookie
Been playing around with the handle weights in my TC100 for the past weeks. I had been playing with it at around 330 grams total weight (plus or minus 6-7) and about 6-7 pts HL for months but was not really feelin it. I haven't really been happy as if felt sluggish and I had trouble "feeling the head" as I prefer. So I removed the weight near the 7 inch mark and the 2nd weight up from the butt, only handle weight left is the one nearest the butt. Then I added about 5-6 grams of lead tape where I removed the lower weight. Now it weights 315 grams total and is 4.5 pts HL. Have played and hit with it twice and I gotta say this is the best "version" of this frame I have yet hit with, my racket head speed has picked up significantly adding spin and control and frankly I haven't noticed any significant lack of "plow or stability". My hitting partner said my ball speed and spin was noticeably increased, volleys felt better and serve was similar. Frankly if felt a bit more like a TC95 as I could feel the head more and really "whip" the frame more which suits my style of play more. Slice BH remained very good as it excels IMO with the frame. I have to say I love the ability to tweek a frame like this, I'll give it a few more weeks and see if the "bliss" lasts...
Maybe that 330 was too much for your strokes
 

drak

Hall of Fame
Maybe that 330 was too much for your strokes
Yeah, I think I play better with a frame modestly lighter and a bit more head heavy - 4 pts HL vs 6-7HL. I did find my messing with and removing some of the weights that I really do NOT like much added weight at the 7 inch position from the butt cap. Like I said the Angell handle system is really nice as one can do some serious experimenting with weights which IMO cam make a big difference.
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Yesterday finally reached my K7 Lime. The test was done using Volkl Cyclone Tour 1.30 with 52 lbs. The test was performed with racket in stock mode and also with lead at 3 and 9 hours (2 grams each side). For comparison, I will compare the following rackets:

- TC95 V3 16x19 63 RA, 9hl, 307 SW 310 grams (unstrung) using the string WeissCannon Scorpion 1.22
- K7 Red using the Volkl Cyclone Tour 1.30 string with 50 lbs (version of the first lot I sold a few months ago).

-> Power

I found k7 lime with a good level of power in stock mode. However, when using lead, the power improved, but without losing control. Compared to Tc95, K7 lime has a little less power. But in relation to K7 Red, I found that Lime has more power even in stock mode

Unleaded: TC95> K7 Lime> K7 Red

With lead: TC95> K7 Lime> K7 Red

-> Control

K7 lime has an excellent level of control, far superior to tc95 and k7 Red. Level control equal to Head Pro Tour 280/630. This extra control is visible during the net game, which shows the very accurate racket.

Unleaded: K7 Lime> TC95> K7 Red

With lead: K7 Lime> TC95> K7 Red

-> Feel and Comfort

K7 lime has excellent feel and comfort. This depends a lot on the string used. Of the racquets I used, the K7 lime and red are the most comfortable. The string used in K7 lime and Red, is a very soft, which disturbs the feel a little, since they are already soft rackets, and this allows you to use harder strings, which favor the feel without disturbing the comfort. However in stock mode it is visible that the L7 Lime is more comfortable than the Red, even having a higher rigidity. Compared to TC95, the K7 lime is much more comfortable, even in balls out of the sweetspot I did not feel any nuisance or unwanted vibration, rather than the tc95 I feel a slight nuisance in balls off the center.

Unleaded: K7 Lime> K7 Red> TC95

With lead: K7 Lime> K7 Red> TC95

Forehand

With K7 lime I got a good forehand, with good speed and depth in both configurations. The throwing angle is the lowest of the three, with a much more plated ball.

-> Backhand

Same forehand behavior, no problems or difficulties during execution.

-> Serves

K7 lime served very well, with optimum power and precision. But it does not even have to compare with TC95, which is a cash machine.

-> Conclusions

The K7 lime behaved very well during all sets played. Racquet with excellent control, stability, with a good level of power. I still need to adjust the ball time with it, which is quite different compared to tc95 which is my current game racket. Also I need to make the choice of rope and tension for Lime, because the string chosen is not ideal for her profile. I need a few more weeks of testing to see if I'll trade the TC95 for her. At first I gained a lot of control with lime, but lost power and spin, which somehow I have to compensate using a proper string and technique.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
Yesterday finally reached my K7 Lime. The test was done using Volkl Cyclone Tour 1.30 with 52 lbs. The test was performed with racket in stock mode and also with lead at 3 and 9 hours (2 grams each side). For comparison, I will compare the following rackets:

- TC95 V3 16x19 63 RA, 9hl, 307 SW 310 grams (unstrung) using the string WeissCannon Scorpion 1.22
- K7 Red using the Volkl Cyclone Tour 1.30 string with 50 lbs (version of the first lot I sold a few months ago).

-> Power

I found k7 lime with a good level of power in stock mode. However, when using lead, the power improved, but without losing control. Compared to Tc95, K7 lime has a little less power. But in relation to K7 Red, I found that Lime has more power even in stock mode

Unleaded: TC95> K7 Lime> K7 Red

With lead: TC95> K7 Lime> K7 Red

-> Control

K7 lime has an excellent level of control, far superior to tc95 and k7 Red. Level control equal to Head Pro Tour 280/630. This extra control is visible during the net game, which shows the very accurate racket.

Unleaded: K7 Lime> TC95> K7 Red

With lead: K7 Lime> TC95> K7 Red

-> Feel and Comfort

K7 lime has excellent feel and comfort. This depends a lot on the string used. Of the racquets I used, the K7 lime and red are the most comfortable. The string used in K7 lime and Red, is a very soft, which disturbs the feel a little, since they are already soft rackets, and this allows you to use harder strings, which favor the feel without disturbing the comfort. However in stock mode it is visible that the L7 Lime is more comfortable than the Red, even having a higher rigidity. Compared to TC95, the K7 lime is much more comfortable, even in balls out of the sweetspot I did not feel any nuisance or unwanted vibration, rather than the tc95 I feel a slight nuisance in balls off the center.

Unleaded: K7 Lime> K7 Red> TC95

With lead: K7 Lime> K7 Red> TC95

Forehand

With K7 lime I got a good forehand, with good speed and depth in both configurations. The throwing angle is the lowest of the three, with a much more plated ball.

-> Backhand

Same forehand behavior, no problems or difficulties during execution.

-> Serves

K7 lime served very well, with optimum power and precision. But it does not even have to compare with TC95, which is a cash machine.

-> Conclusions

The K7 lime behaved very well during all sets played. Racquet with excellent control, stability, with a good level of power. I still need to adjust the ball time with it, which is quite different compared to tc95 which is my current game racket. Also I need to make the choice of rope and tension for Lime, because the string chosen is not ideal for her profile. I need a few more weeks of testing to see if I'll trade the TC95 for her. At first I gained a lot of control with lime, but lost power and spin, which somehow I have to compensate using a proper string and technique.
Yeah, my one comment was going to be the string setup should have been the opposite but you said it. TC95 should have a 1.30 gauge given string spacing. And K7 lime can go thinner gauge given its tighter.
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Yeah, my one comment was going to be the string setup should have been the opposite but you said it. TC95 should have a 1.30 gauge given string spacing. And K7 lime can go thinner gauge given its tighter.
Yes I agree. That only had this string to put on the K7. And I also compared with the K7 red I used the same rope. But the K7 Lime is a frame that allows you to use rigid strings without affecting comfort. I remember when I bought the K7 Red it came with the Luxilon Alu Power 125 and the feel of the net was totally different compared to the Cyclone Tour and the Scorpion I tested on Red, the feel was great.
 

t_pac

Rookie
More power, more control and better comfort over the K7 Red? Seems surprising from just a tighter string pattern, need to give mine another go!
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
More power, more control and better comfort over the K7 Red? Seems surprising from just a tighter string pattern, need to give mine another go!
Yes, I had that impression. My K7 Red was from the first batch. And you can add more stability there.

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krikamons

New User
Does anyone know a definitive date when the k7 batches changed?

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I bought mine on 20 dec 2017
that is the date when the batches with the different grip sizes overlapped. Don't know if the change in stiffness coincided with the handle changes. I am saying "overlapped" because I wanted to buy a second k7 later and wanted identical grips but the manufacturer said cannot know for sure if my first racket bought on that date would have been from the old or new batch. (They proposed a generous alternative solution to me if I ended up unhappy with the two rackets which I did not use because I ended up getting a tc95 instead. That is a great customer service by the way! Hope I am not getting them in trouble by disclosing this). So the new batch was already out at that time. I'd wildly guess (for what it's worth) that probably two or three months after end-December 2017 should be the new one?
 

Subaruvich

Semi-Pro
K7 Lime... I have developed some wrist pain after three seesions with this racquet. The racquet feels very comfortble, so go figure...
I have never had wrist problems before.

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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
K7 Lime... I have developed some wrist pain after three seesions with this racquet. The racquet feels very comfortble, so go figure...
I have never had wrist problems before.

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I had no problem with it so far. The only change I made was to take the lead at 3 and 9 o'clock and climb higher, putting between 10/11 and 1/2 hours. It greatly improved power and handling in this position instead of 3 and 9 hours.

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Gee

Hall of Fame
Probably a technical issue. I can't imagine it is due the K7 Lime
Maybe you are using too stiff strings

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Gee

Hall of Fame
The K7 Lime is indeed very maneuverable.
Especiallly compared to my TC95.
I added 6 grams from 8-10 and 2-4 o'clock position and a vibration dampener of 3 grams at the top cross string. To counterbalance I put a leather grip. The total weight is 348 grams.
This setup still feels more maneuverable than my TC95.

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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
The K7 Lime is indeed very maneuverable.
Especiallly compared to my TC95.
I added 6 grams from 3-10 and 2-4 o'clock position and a vibration dampener of 3 grams at the top cross string. To counterbalance I put a leather grip. The total weight is 348 grams.
This setup still feels more maneuverable than my TC95.

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Do you think the luxilon alu power 125 would look good on K7 Lime?

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Gee

Hall of Fame
Yes, I think it"ll give a crisper feel as the K7 is already rather muted.

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haqq777

Legend
So after hitting last night for the 'last' time, I put my K7 Lime up for sale in the 'For Sale' section here earlier today and I've had multiple offers already. Gotta say, regardless of lines (TC95, TC97, TC100, K7), Angells sell like hot cakes. Has been like this since gunmetal PJ V1 versions. Love it. I am not sure if I should sell it though, someone talk me out of this!
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
So after hitting last night for the 'last' time, I put my K7 Lime up for sale in the 'For Sale' section here earlier today and I've had multiple offers already. Gotta say, regardless of lines (TC95, TC97, TC100, K7), Angells sell like hot cakes. Has been like this since gunmetal PJ V1 versions. Love it. I am not sure if I should sell it though, someone talk me out of this!
I would not sell. I played with my 2 days only and on the second day I had a beautiful evolution with the racket, only missing adjustments in the OHBH.

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topspn

Hall of Fame
So after hitting last night for the 'last' time, I put my K7 Lime up for sale in the 'For Sale' section here earlier today and I've had multiple offers already. Gotta say, regardless of lines (TC95, TC97, TC100, K7), Angells sell like hot cakes. Has been like this since gunmetal PJ V1 versions. Love it. I am not sure if I should sell it though, someone talk me out of this!
Why do you want to sell it? K7 even if it’s not a dictating stick in character with TCs, is still a very unique hitting experience and very nice on the arm. Could easily be a stick to use when you have a tired arm and have a competent easy playability stick.
 

haqq777

Legend
Do you think the luxilon alu power 125 would look good on K7 Lime?

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ALU Power is the gold standard for how a poly should play. Nothing else like it. My only problem with that string is that the Lux effect does not last very long and string dies pretty quickly for me (after maybe 2-3 hours). And yes, it would definitely complement K7 Lime well. As Gee mentioned above, the crisp feedback would go well with hoop flex and muted feedback of Lime.
 

haqq777

Legend
I would not sell. I played with my 2 days only and on the second day I had a beautiful evolution with the racket, only missing adjustments in the OHBH.

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I have no qualms whatsoever with it. I can tweak with weight and play great. I like it so much better than K7 Red too. But I have 3 new V3 TC97 18x20 already and it seems this would not get any playtime whatsoever. I had trouble with OHBH as well in the beginning. In the end I figured it out. It was the swingweight messing with my timing.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
ALU Power is the gold standard for how a poly should play. Nothing else like it. My only problem with that string is that the Lux effect does not last very long and string dies pretty quickly for me (after maybe 2-3 hours). And yes, it would definitely complement K7 Lime well. As Gee mentioned above, the crisp feedback would go well with hoop flex and muted feedback of Lime.
Totally agree, first 2 hours are great then you wonder what the heck happened?? I got some in 138 gauge to try in hopes it will last longer
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
ALU Power is the gold standard for how a poly should play. Nothing else like it. My only problem with that string is that the Lux effect does not last very long and string dies pretty quickly for me (after maybe 2-3 hours). And yes, it would definitely complement K7 Lime well. As Gee mentioned above, the crisp feedback would go well with hoop flex and muted feedback of Lime.
The luxilon was chosen for easy access. But if it works well, I'll look for strings similar to it.
 

haqq777

Legend
Why do you want to sell it? K7 even if it’s not a dictating stick in character with TCs, is still a very unique hitting experience and very nice on the arm. Could easily be a stick to use when you have a tired arm and have a competent easy playability stick.
I know, right? I def agree with the hitting experience. Problem is it will not see a lot of court time and TC97 are easy on the arm, moreso than TC95/100 so kind of redundant in a way. That and I have so many sticks lying around it isn't even funny lol.
 
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