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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
My ex is from Vilnius, so many pictures of the lakehouse on her FB. Watched "The Other Dream Team" with her and her friends, they cried at the end. Required watching.

Also had first full hit with K7 Lime today. At 355g, 32cm, Gosen AK Pro (waiting for VS Team in the mail) mains @57lbs, Max Power Rough 18 crosses @47 lbs on a hand crank machine. I really had to take a full cut to keep it in but I also had a serious tailwind. With my similar spec Duel G and Tour G with Champions Choice I don't have to go through the ball as much, seems really important with the 18x20. But I was crushing the forehand, very intoxicating. The OHBD was not as lethal as with the Yonex, but it was grooving more after two hours.

Volleys were great, pickups and half volleys, when the ball was at a low velocity, did not work out as great, is does not pop off the strings like the Yonex. It was also 45 degrees, but the Yonex reacted better with those shots. Slice was almost as good when doing normal underspin, but not on par when carving sidespin. Probably because the hoop is a lot more stable. I guess it's a trade off, but the Lime swings so much easier than the Yonex, it does not feel feel it's weight when slicing through the air. I did not attempt to serve in the because of the wind.

The Lime does not feel as connected as the Yonex, not as much feedback and that organic '90s graphite feel. I kind dubbed it a "NASA feel," I can't say I've hit anything like it, but it's a very nice feeling, very comfy and prolly better for my arm, that Twaron is doing it's job, that "Head feel" feel people go on about.

I'm new to the 18x20 world, 16x20 is what I'm used to, but this blows away the UT and PPMP I recently demoed. The UT is just round and awkward feeling, the PPMP feels too plasticky. I'd say Paul has a runaway hit with this Lime. Shame the K7 Red I tried (first batch) was really flimsy and did not take weight well. Also the string pattern looks like a Belgian waffle.

Also, I posted earlier, the is a trap door, just need to use a small flathead to get it off. There is silicon in there, almost to the end, but enough room to put a bit of putty if needed. Cap pops right back on, not as easy as normal trap door, but it's there.

Any recommendations to get more pop/reaction with pickups/half volleys? Should I go down on my gut mains, 52 lbs, 46 Max Power Rough 18g crosses? Or go even thinner with my crosses? Hyper G comes in 20g.
What modifications have you made to your Lime K7? Did I add lead and leather grip? I already had the duel g 330g, and I agree with you that the feeling of connection with the ball in it is incomparable. I would say that in this sense, the duel is the best racket I played in this respect.

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haqq777

Legend
I was reading some threads on kevlar hybrids recently and got intrigued. I know you played with kevlar hybrid with like a huge differential @topspn and I know you were pretty pleased with playability in your Storms. Comfort was great too. Did you abandon it because you didn't like the feel anymore or for some other reason? I think for full bed poly users we sort of revert to it every time because of the way it plays. Just wanted to get your thoughts.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
I also put Oehms leather on my K7 Lime. Mine is really dark brown (Premium). Is yours the Pro version?
Long story! Based on talking to @saleem, it seems the premium dark brown nappa leather was going away because they can’t find supply anymore with demand for leather being high in many other products. So the new leather grip, the one I got which is not on sale yet will be replacement. I also talked to Angelo who is a very nice guy btw, he said this current batch and next one will be the last of the premium dark brown
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
I was reading some threads on kevlar hybrids recently and got intrigued. I know you played with kevlar hybrid with like a huge differential @topspn and I know you were pretty pleased with playability in your Storms. Comfort was great too. Did you abandon it because you didn't like the feel anymore or for some other reason? I think for full bed poly users we sort of revert to it every time because of the way it plays. Just wanted to get your thoughts.
Yeah, i played with differential of 10 so 55/45lbs kevlar/ZX. Comfort is not a problem, opens up a bit after 1st couple of hours hitting. It does last long for sure and spin is good. Overall, worth a try but I lost some touch/feel and it took away from the serve a bit.
 

redmini

Rookie
Long story! Based on talking to @saleem, it seems the premium dark brown nappa leather was going away because they can’t find supply anymore with demand for leather being high in many other products. So the new leather grip, the one I got which is not on sale yet will be replacement. I also talked to Angelo who is a very nice guy btw, he said this current batch and next one will be the last of the premium dark brown
You get your grips from Angelo and your rackets from Angell... Coincidence, or conspiracy? ;-)


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topspn

Hall of Fame

This one lasted pretty long time I have to admit. But everything has it’s ending.


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i hereby throne you as king destroyer, obliterater of racquets and grand smasher
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This one lasted pretty long time I have to admit. But everything has it’s ending.


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I hereby throne you king destroyer, obliterater of racquets and grand poobah of smashers :eek::D
 

bkfinch

Rookie
I've been using the 6.1 95 18x20 for a few years but i was thinking of trying out the TC 95 18x20 using the heaviest customizable option (330 grams 10pt HL). Anyone here know how that would compare feel wise and power? Also, those RA spec choices (70 or 63) I'm assuming are unstrung? So strung up it would go down in RA correct?
When I had a TC95 18x20 63ra the frame it reminded me the most of was the 6.1 18x20. I would say the TC has generally more juice, spin and feel. Neither rackets were quite my thing so I don’t have them anymore. The 63ra also has a fairly firm hoop IMO so not a noodle. I am also fairly sure that both have comparable twistweights.


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anfield

Semi-Pro
What modifications have you made to your Lime K7?
I'm not sure I will stick with these mods, but I just wanted to match my Duel G and Tour G 310s at @355g 32cm as a baseline.

First I put 3g under the bumper at 12. Then 3 total at 9&3. Gamma leather grip to make the L3 grip a bit bigger, and what every Yonex user should have, a Tourna Power Cap on the butt of the handle. That adds 5-6g, you can also cut off the bottom bit that covers the trap door and save 2-3g. The silicon in the handle is almost full, I did not put in putty in there.

I'm going to experiment and take off weight. This material seems like I could go lighter and get same comfort. I'll know more once I start serving with it. Spring can't come soon enough, more snow on the way.

Edit: just got specs from Saleem for mgr/i. So I'm at 21 with 351g 32cm and 336 SW. Thanks for that. Can anyone make the snow go away now?
 
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skeeter

Professional
I had an hour hit with a buddy this morning with ASL3 333.8g, 6.5HL and BBO@48lbs. Damned now we’re talking :) The extra weight certainly brings this frame alive for me. I don’t think anyone is gonna need to hit bigger then this baby so power on tap is very generous. And the sweet spot which also felt generous so a forgiving hit for sure. It smacks a serve big and felt comfortable on my OHBH. Even slice seemed easy and didn’t require anything special on my part. Very comfy, I had zero issues there and BBO is not exactly a comfort string. Feel is good as well and a flex that is in between the 63 and 70RA. This has a shot of being my favorite 100 in the Angel line :cool:
Is the head shape of the ASL3 similar or different than the TC100? Any thoughts yet on serve comparison between the two?
 

ChrisG

New User
They have a demo package for first-time customers. All string sets 40% off. I ordered gauge 17.




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Thanks !! For whatever reason the link from the US site to to European site didn't work for me. So I bookmark this one !

I've just bought 2 sets of RS Lyon, 1,20 and 1,25. Any recommandation regarding tension and gauge on the TC95 v2 ?
 

Subaruvich

Semi-Pro
You must be great fun to play with

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I am not proud of my temper and I am working on it. But so far it’s not working

Now I have a dilemma, shall I get another TC95 or try that new ASL.


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matchpoint9

Rookie
Anyone here playing with 18x20 Angell -- TC or K7, what's the lowest tension you've used (mainly interested in full poly)? I keep dropping my tension from 50, now down to 47/46, it seems to play better and better the lower the tension. Thinking about 45/43 next time. Has anyone done <45 lbs?

I'm currently testing with Black Knight & RS Lyon hybrid. Damn... beautiful control, ball pocketing, soft feeling. All too often my opponents just let the ball go only to realize it's way in :p
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Anyone here playing with 18x20 Angell -- TC or K7, what's the lowest tension you've used (mainly interested in full poly)? I keep dropping my tension from 50, now down to 47/46, it seems to play better and better the lower the tension. Thinking about 45/43 next time. Has anyone done
I'm currently testing with Black Knight & RS Lyon hybrid. Damn... beautiful control, ball pocketing, soft feeling. All too often my opponents just let the ball go only to realize it's way in :p
Currently in my Lime K7 I am using the Weisscannon scorpion 1.22 string with 40 lbs. Before I was using 45 lbs and even with 5 lbs less the control is still excellent and the power increased without losing control.

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haqq777

Legend
Anyone here playing with 18x20 Angell -- TC or K7, what's the lowest tension you've used (mainly interested in full poly)? I keep dropping my tension from 50, now down to 47/46, it seems to play better and better the lower the tension. Thinking about 45/43 next time. Has anyone done <45 lbs?

I'm currently testing with Black Knight & RS Lyon hybrid. Damn... beautiful control, ball pocketing, soft feeling. All too often my opponents just let the ball go only to realize it's way in :p
TC97 18x20 here and I am at 42lbs currently. Started at 50lbs and you are right, the lower I went, the more I loved it. Dwell time has increased, stringbed has become softer and heaps of control because of the denser pattern. I'm hitting deeper too than usual. I did notice a slight increase in launch angle but that is very adjustable. I am using Black Knight at the moment.
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
TC97 18x20 here and I am at 42lbs currently. Started at 50lbs and you are right, the lower I went, the more I loved it. Dwell time has increased, stringbed has become softer and heaps of control because of the denser pattern. I'm hitting deeper too than usual. I did notice a slight increase in launch angle but that is very adjustable. I am using Black Knight at the moment.
Do you think the Weisscannon ultra cable would look good on TC97 18x20 or K7 Lime? Would it help in spin?

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haqq777

Legend
Do you think the Weisscannon ultra cable would look good on TC97 18x20 or K7 Lime? Would it help in spin?

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I'm not a fan of the UC, in all honesty. It plays far too crisp and firm for my taste. Crazy level of spin though. Also, the string died too quickly for me and tension maintenance was terrible. I posted pictures here a long time back. I was using TC100s back then and the string ate through my grommets as well. But yes, you will get great spin.

Also, keep in mind it is a thicker string than advertised. If I were to rate it's true gauge, I would rate it very close to 15L, not the 17 that it is advertised at. Not a good fit for denser patterns, better fit for more open patterns, IMHO.
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
I'm not a fan of the UC, in all honesty. It plays far too crisp and firm for my taste. Crazy level of spin though. Also, the string died too quickly for me and tension maintenance was terrible. I posted pictures here a long time back. I was using TC100s back then and the string ate through my grommets as well. But yes, you will get great spin.

Also, keep in mind it is a thicker string than advertised. If I were to rate it's true gauge, I would rate it very close to 15L, not the 17 that it is advertised at. Not a good fit for denser patterns, better fit for more open patterns, IMHO.
Got it. Is Hyper-G 1.20, would it be a good choice?

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redmini

Rookie
Thanks !! For whatever reason the link from the US site to to European site didn't work for me. So I bookmark this one !

I've just bought 2 sets of RS Lyon, 1,20 and 1,25. Any recommandation regarding tension and gauge on the TC95 v2 ?
Fyi tier one strings can also be got from stringers world - a good UK site. Wonder why tw don't stock them?


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redmini

Rookie
I am not proud of my temper and I am working on it. But so far it’s not working

Now I have a dilemma, shall I get another TC95 or try that new ASL.


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Neither - you need either an original Dunlop max 200g - had one for 20+ years and it was more or less indestructible, or head microgel radical pro - unbelievably hard to smash - I know from experience - I've broken slabs of concrete more easily!




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anfield

Semi-Pro
For the Lime I'm going to give VS Team 17g/HyperG 20g, it's winter here, I was thinking 53/49. Just trying to open it up a bit, but keep it from launching. Took a leap of faith and ordered a Sergetti sheet. Will keep you posted.
 

redmini

Rookie
Yes, for sure. I liked Hyper-G much more. Softer than UC so arm stays happy, better tension maintenance and playability, and has great spin/control as well.
Interesting.
I've found hyper g 1.18 more stiff than UC but better spin. More visible dip on the ball too with hyper g, I was using them in different racquets though but the UC was in a 66ra 16x20 and the hyper g in a 59ra 18x19 frame. Until I tried them I'd hence expected more comfort and less spin in the 59ra frame with hyper g . But got the opposite in practice.


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haqq777

Legend
Interesting.
I've found hyper g 1.18 more stiff than UC but better spin. More visible dip on the ball too with hyper g, I was using them in different racquets though but the UC was in a 66ra 16x20 and the hyper g in a 59ra 18x19 frame. Until I tried them I'd hence expected more comfort and less spin in the 59ra frame with hyper g . But got the opposite in practice.


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Wow, that has definitely not been my experience and I played with Hyper-G a lot. I played with maybe 2 sets of UC and that was two many. What tensions did you use the Hyper-G at? Although that shouldn't matter since I've gone as high up as 55 lbs on Hyper-G without issues in my TC100. I did use thicker gauge than 1.18 however. I think it was 17 (1.20).
 

haqq777

Legend
Interesting.
I've found hyper g 1.18 more stiff than UC but better spin. More visible dip on the ball too with hyper g, I was using them in different racquets though but the UC was in a 66ra 16x20 and the hyper g in a 59ra 18x19 frame. Until I tried them I'd hence expected more comfort and less spin in the 59ra frame with hyper g . But got the opposite in practice.


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I'm sorry. I misread your post earlier. I thought when you talked about dip, you were talking about playability, not the spin. Yes, Hyper-G definitely has great spin. I am still unsure why it played stiffer for you compared to UC. Perhaps string pattern and tension in the mix.
 

Jouke

Semi-Pro
Currently in my Lime K7 I am using the Weisscannon scorpion 1.22 string with 40 lbs. Before I was using 45 lbs and even with 5 lbs less the control is still excellent and the power increased without losing control.

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How do you like that string? Are you switching to the Lime?
 

ed70

Semi-Pro
How do you like that string? Are you switching to the Lime?

still my go to string in my tc97 16x19 i use 1.22g. Good power and comfort for a poly, keeps tension well, at least it does until it breaks for me! Not a spin string although the tc97 doesn't play as open as the 16x19 pattern looks either so i feel i need to use proper shot mechanics to get that nice topspin shape going.
Haven't tried any other strings for a while now, but may order a pack of that tier 1BK as it's getting good reviews!
Still contemplating a v3 tc100 but might just be too open for me.
 
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