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MCN

Rookie
Quick update - I pulled the plug and ordered a TC95 V3 16x19 RA63 320g 9HL (unstrung). The racquet is beautifully finished and came in EXACTLY to spec. I’ve previously tried the TC97 briefly (didn’t like the way it flexed) and a TC100 RA70 (slightly too stiff, should have tried the RA63). Strung the new TC95 with Volkl Cyclone Tour at 48lb but not modified further, so total static weight of around 340g. The head looks a little larger than other 95 racquets and there’s little perceptible difference from some 98 racquets I’ve used previously.

Had a brief hit and first thoughts are ... so plush and power on tap. No arm issues at all. The head light balance and thin beam cuts through the air really quickly. Sweet spot seems good enough. Can flatten shots or whip up decent topspin. It’s definitely an attacking racquet and you need to go for your shots though. I’ve become a bit lazy over the last couple of years with more evenly balanced heavy racquets and tend to block the ball more, especially volleys. You can’t do that as easily with the TC95 because of the more head light nature, but when you attack the ball, it really is a sweet stick.

It’s early days but I’m loving the feel and will need to adapt my game a little, but am really looking forward to using this.
 

ed70

Professional
Can anyone comment on how a full bed of Hyper G 17g plays in the TC97 16x19 (I have the 310g/9 pts. HL model)? I'm coming from the Prince Phantom Pro 100P and I strung that around 45lb., but I've read a few posts that indicate polys in the TC97 are best when strung in the 50-55lb. range. Thanks for the feedback everyone.

I have the same frame weight and balance to you, best part of 2 years with it now. I string between 50 & 52 depending on string used. 50’s fine with poly, I’ve used revolve, scorpion, rs Lyon, silverstring and all play nice. Can’t comment on Hyper G, tried it in a blade a few years back and found it horrendous.
 

ed70

Professional
I am not sure why you would go thinner and more powerful? You will get more power, erratic string bed, higher launch, less precision and less durability.
I’ve always Preferred thinner strings, as they play with more "feel" and control to thicker strings, bites into the ball better. Just my opinion but I don’t buy poly thicker than 17g and currently play 17L. I guess thicker gauge lasts longer but have often lost some playability/tension so I’d sooner just break a thinner gauge earlier!
 

topspn

Legend
I’ve always Preferred thinner strings, as they play with more "feel" and control to thicker strings, bites into the ball better. Just my opinion but I don’t buy poly thicker than 17g and currently play 17L. I guess thicker gauge lasts longer but have often lost some playability/tension so I’d sooner just break a thinner gauge earlier!
I understand someone enjoying the more lively powerful feel of thinner gauges, however string bed predictability and control both suffer in open patterns. It’s just not as natural of a combination to those criteria. I am actually very surprised when I experimented with thicker strings on my TC95 and ASL how much better control and precision they were giving me with zero negatives. I had no trouble with any lack of power and no issue at all with spin. I think of the strings gauge now as a compatibility issue with string beds so tighter then go thinner and open go thicker.
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
For me it is closely related to the frame power.
I cannot used thin strings in TC100 (except SPPP that is very dead one). It can become in to the rocket launcher. 1.25 is optimal for me.
However, TC95 is less powerful and thicker strings does not provide this level of power I need. Another thing that with thinner gauge I feel that sweet zone is a bit bigger.
Anyway, 10 hours is not enough for final decisions. :D I need to experiment more. Maybe I'll find 1.25 gauge string that suites me well. I loved Black Code for the first two hours - but it died quickly and ended being stiff and unresponsive.
 

topspn

Legend
So besides the best fit or compatability issue of gauge and string pattern there is the player variable. Thickness or thinness also plays into players needs for power, control, response, predictability given a particular pattern. So it makes sense. Just if you like thin and you have an open pattern and are lacking control or precision then doesn’t make sense to go thinner to resolve or vice versa but I’m loving Tour XC 1.35 in TC95. Superb power, spin and precision that is addictive to attacking. Yes for my game at least
 

ed70

Professional
Advantages of poly for me is that they are low powered so you can have a good cut at the ball without over hitting, thinner polys grab the ball better, whilst they still cant really be classed as a power string. Disadvantages of poly, stiffness and holding tension. I use softer poly’s 17 or 17L, they either break or lose playability so either way when I’m playing regular my stringers busy.
 

Nick777

Semi-Pro
Advantages of poly for me is that they are low powered so you can have a good cut at the ball without over hitting, thinner polys grab the ball better, whilst they still cant really be classed as a power string. Disadvantages of poly, stiffness and holding tension. I use softer poly’s 17 or 17L, they either break or lose playability so either way when I’m playing regular my stringers busy.
Have you tried full bed velocity at tc97? I find very good results for a multi, nice spin, control, durability and low power
 

topspn

Legend
Have you tried full bed velocity at tc97? I find very good results for a multi, nice spin, control, durability and low power
I tried velocity once in a demo and I did like the feel and was getting good bite on the ball while it lasted. Broke though in under 2hrs
 

Nick777

Semi-Pro
I tried velocity once in a demo and I did like the feel and was getting good bite on the ball while it lasted. Broke though in under 2hrs
Yea especially at 1.25 gauge breaks Very Quick in open pattern but at 18/20 lasts longer, 1.30 lasts 4-5 hours to me
 
Quick update - I pulled the plug and ordered a TC95 V3 16x19 RA63 320g 9HL (unstrung). The racquet is beautifully finished and came in EXACTLY to spec. I’ve previously tried the TC97 briefly (didn’t like the way it flexed) and a TC100 RA70 (slightly too stiff, should have tried the RA63). Strung the new TC95 with Volkl Cyclone Tour at 48lb but not modified further, so total static weight of around 340g. The head looks a little larger than other 95 racquets and there’s little perceptible difference from some 98 racquets I’ve used previously.

Had a brief hit and first thoughts are ... so plush and power on tap. No arm issues at all. The head light balance and thin beam cuts through the air really quickly. Sweet spot seems good enough. Can flatten shots or whip up decent topspin. It’s definitely an attacking racquet and you need to go for your shots though. I’ve become a bit lazy over the last couple of years with more evenly balanced heavy racquets and tend to block the ball more, especially volleys. You can’t do that as easily with the TC95 because of the more head light nature, but when you attack the ball, it really is a sweet stick.

It’s early days but I’m loving the feel and will need to adapt my game a little, but am really looking forward to using this.
Sounds about right... with cyclone it must have a lot of spin. I think of it as a relaxed attacking racquet... my old and definative review: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/angell-tc95-16x19-flexy-shakedown.553138/

For me tc95 although is a great stick dont like it as much as pt57a, not the same stability, feel, control
apples and oranges... TC95 is just a very different kind of stick. Tc95 has far more punishing power and spin potential and a very different feel but its unique with its spin potential yet feel and dwell time + accuracy. Those old heads are just designed for a different kind of tennis.... when I redesigned my game with a new semiwestern forehand and hyperspinny second serve I switched from the 18x20 prestiges to a pacific 16x19 then found home with the TC95. I took at least 6 months to get used to that kind of power on tap but now the ball often hops off the court... yet I can still use my old flatter shots as well. I had to completely revamp my tactics as well, using the spinny bite of my backhand differently to open the court... or simply rely on depth and heavy balls to win points when not going for the kill (you can do that with the tc95... just use its heavy ball and depth with big hops to force unforced errors).

Also, I applaud Paul for listening to players and not just value engineering his sticks... the reason Head doesnt bring back the old aramid prestiges is profit margin. I did like their new speed series from this last summer and it had that same "make the ball jump" vibe ... just not the thin beam of the TC95 and its smaller more accurate head size.
 
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OlgaOM

New User
I have a question on Lime and TC95 18x20 users... has anyone considered to reduce the weight on Lime? Is this doable even (by removing weight from the handle) and If it is, would it effect the dynamics of the racket?

I really enjoy 18x20 strings for my control game and find 340 grams (12 ounce) little heavy, would prefer a tad less weight (and SW) so I am also considering TC95 18x20 at 310 grams max or even 300 grams with some lead. My other sticks are 305 grams unstrung and really work well for my game (as I can provide the power) at this stage. What are users experience with this, and especially if possible comparison to stock form of Lime.

I am looking a for a lighter 18x20. Suggestion are welcome. I have a flat FH and OHBH, and play lots of slices and come to net occasionally.
You can't change weigh of K7 racquets - they don't have weights inside the handle. K7 Red is quite a bit lighter than Lime... I have both, but I prefer heavier Lime, though it's a matter of taste I guess.
If I like the racquet which feels heavy yet I play well with it, I just do some gym exercises to strengthen shoulders/ arms and within 2-3 weeks weight stops bothering me...
 

recsoares

Rookie
Hi.
As an ex-Angell player,I’m curious to know how can the K7 Lime be compared to the 2015 TT100p(my new racquet of choice).
Anyone tried both?


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topspn

Legend
You can't change weigh of K7 racquets - they don't have weights inside the handle. K7 Red is quite a bit lighter than Lime... I have both, but I prefer heavier Lime, though it's a matter of taste I guess.
If I like the racquet which feels heavy yet I play well with it, I just do some gym exercises to strengthen shoulders/ arms and within 2-3 weeks weight stops bothering me...
Lol that’s the spirit (y)
 

anfield

Semi-Pro
Can anyone give a definitive answer on the newer batches of K7 Red being firmer than the first? Around what date did the new batch ship out?

I had first batch and I like flexy sticks and all, but it was too unstable, even with lead. I'm using the Lime now and love it, super comfy, but 18x20 does not give me enough feel/touch, and medium paced shots are a struggle. With my Duel G and gut-poly or even poly-syn I can be at the baseline, do a pick-up drop-shot with ease, not so much with full poly and defo not with 18x20.

I also don't feel like I can do easy rollers, I have to accelerate through my shots more to get a reaction from the stringbed, with Duel can do 3/4 shots consistently. I'm not a fan of the Belgian waffle open pattern of the K7 Red, but that might be curbed with 15L strings. Or just stick with the Lime and go 19g strings and 43lbs ( or lower) for more of that mini pop you get from more open pattern that's needed for touch shots?

I'm going to compete with the Duels, I just love the consistent feel and feedback, very linear power. The Lime has great power, but feels non-linear, like there can be a slight turbo boost on some shots. Maybe the kevlar or the flex profile is taking away too much of the linear feedback needed for the kind of precision I like. The TC97 might be an option. Anyone play with a TC97 and/or Lime and Duel that can chime in?
 

anfield

Semi-Pro
I have both, but I prefer heavier Lime
I'm wondering if the extra weight of the Lime is just the silicon in the handle and then a bit heavier when strung because of the much denser string pattern.
Do these numbers support the extra weight just might be the silicon?
Red: Weight - 305g, Balance – 320mm / 7 pts HL
Lime: Weight - 315g, Balance – 310mm / 10 pts HL
 

Caol-ila

New User
Can anyone give a definitive answer on the newer batches of K7 Red being firmer than the first?
That' my experience. I got rid of my older K7 Red because it was too soft, now I am happy with the younger one.

The TC97 might be an option. Anyone play with a TC97 and/or Lime and Duel that can chime in?
Only TC97 18x20, but I did not like it. Maybe the strings, it was a full bed of Velocity 1.30, the racquet felt boardy even if the tension was not much, 21x21 kg, maybe the racquet. I was used to the RA63 TC95 and TC100 feeling, I liked and still like it a lot, the TC97 was different.
 

topspn

Legend
This is my second time when I smash two racquets in one match. On days like this I start thinking that tennis is not for me. I have the shots but I don’t have the nerves.


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Goodness, let me help you dude. You have to enjoy the game and not become anxious and frustrated. Try to play marches like they are just drills or hitting around and have no consequences. Find a way to simply play relaxed and play your game. And look for something else other then the racquet to smack on the ground if you’re having a bad day. Maybe wear a hat when you play and you grab the hat and throw the heck of it on the ground :laughing:
 

Subaruvich

Semi-Pro
Goodness, let me help you dude. You have to enjoy the game and not become anxious and frustrated. Try to play marches like they are just drills or hitting around and have no consequences. Find a way to simply play relaxed and play your game. And look for something else other then the racquet to smack on the ground if you’re having a bad day. Maybe wear a hat when you play and you grab the hat and throw the heck of it on the ground :laughing:
Thanks, good idea about the hat


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stocchero

New User
Interesting. I'm not sure I understand this. TW "procedure" and formula includes balance as parameter. Same with the SwingTool app.
Are you saying that balance is not important in this formula?
The balance is not important for the swingweight, just important for that tw prodedure (that is just what the swingtool does, get a time for 10 swings, the parameters you manually input, and do the tw swingtool calculation).

For example, if you add 3 grams to your racquet head, 12 o clock. You will get a new swingweight (and new balance). But if afterwards you add 3 grams to the buttcap, you will have a different balance, but the same swingweight you had just before.

So, as I see, balance has no reflection in swingweight, just in the time for the pendulum to move, that is used as a way to measure swingweight at home


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saleem

Semi-Pro
Interesting. I'm not sure I understand this. TW "procedure" and formula includes balance as parameter. Same with the SwingTool app.
Are you saying that balance is not important in this formula?
balance does not change sw {if you add weight to the handle) if weight is added to head it will change sw, if 2 rackets with high static and sw HL racket will be easy to move than HH.
 
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Deleted member 54265

Guest
This is my second time when I smash two racquets in one match. On days like this I start thinking that tennis is not for me. I have the shots but I don’t have the nerves.
Nothing is more pathetic than adult rec players smashing racquets. Nothing to to with nerves, it is lack of respect for your gear, the game and having too much money. If you could not afford a new racquet, and have to save money for the next 6 month to buy a new one, I am sure you would be more humble and appreciate your fine racquets.

The good thing is that if you work on the mental side (I am sure you can afford to hire a mental coach) there is a lot to be gained (also outside the court), and your game could improve a lot.

Since you are being open about this "problem" of yours, I wish you the best of luck - having fun on the court should be the driving force for rec players.

Cheers, Toby
 
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anfield

Semi-Pro
I'd say most importantly, it's very disrespectful to the opponent. It's very off putting to them and it can get inside their heads. Not to mess up the results, but it's just nasty to watch. You are making the other person feel bad. I know it's a match, and some say this might be a sign of intensity, but it's not the US Open.

I know this because I used to be a brat on the golf course, throw my clubs, etc. One of my friends pulled me a aside and said for me to get out of my own bubble and think about the other three playing. They are out there for some recreation, to get away from their spouse, kids and acting like a spoilt kid is throwing not just the vibe off, but kind of ruining their day.
 

Eiki Saito

New User
Tc97 16x19 vs Tc100 16x19 ra63. String life?

Hi,

Anyone can compare the string life in this two rackets?

How many time in each one (using same string, same player, etc)?

Tks so much
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
I respect this anger, character and passion to smash a racket. In some cases it is needed to win afterwards, I think it is very personal. :) In other hand I understand that it might be a bit disrespectful to the opponent/others.

P.S., never did this myself, need to try, but I'm afraid that I will not be strong enough to smash it from the very first hit. :laughing:
 

redmini

Semi-Pro
Can anyone give a definitive answer on the newer batches of K7 Red being firmer than the first? Around what date did the new batch ship out?

I had first batch and I like flexy sticks and all, but it was too unstable, even with lead. I'm using the Lime now and love it, super comfy, but 18x20 does not give me enough feel/touch, and medium paced shots are a struggle. With my Duel G and gut-poly or even poly-syn I can be at the baseline, do a pick-up drop-shot with ease, not so much with full poly and defo not with 18x20.

I also don't feel like I can do easy rollers, I have to accelerate through my shots more to get a reaction from the stringbed, with Duel can do 3/4 shots consistently. I'm not a fan of the Belgian waffle open pattern of the K7 Red, but that might be curbed with 15L strings. Or just stick with the Lime and go 19g strings and 43lbs ( or lower) for more of that mini pop you get from more open pattern that's needed for touch shots?

I'm going to compete with the Duels, I just love the consistent feel and feedback, very linear power. The Lime has great power, but feels non-linear, like there can be a slight turbo boost on some shots. Maybe the kevlar or the flex profile is taking away too much of the linear feedback needed for the kind of precision I like. The TC97 might be an option. Anyone play with a TC97 and/or Lime and Duel that can chime in?
I've demoed the tc97 tour and dual g 97 310 and the dual g 100. Liked the tc97 but found it less forgiving. The power it had on the sweet spot was I thought greatest of the three but it was a small and hot one. If you can keep it in hitting flat rockets its great. The other two were rather more controllable with a more even and broader sweet spot. More spin too. Still plenty of power and feel. Their flex is more even too and both are firm-ISH but still arm friendly. The tc97 was quite firm up until the head which is pretty flexible. I found it less comfortable. I slightly preferred the 100 to the 310 97 and bought that. Slight caveat though that I tried the tc97 tour with rpm / syngut at 54 (my preferred set up at the time) and the dual g ones with yonex Poly tour fire 1.2 at 54 (they were boardy and lacking power) ; and then at 46 (at which they were great) .


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Carreau

Semi-Pro
Quick update - I pulled the plug and ordered a TC95 V3 16x19 RA63 320g 9HL (unstrung). The racquet is beautifully finished and came in EXACTLY to spec. I’ve previously tried the TC97 briefly (didn’t like the way it flexed) and a TC100 RA70 (slightly too stiff, should have tried the RA63). Strung the new TC95 with Volkl Cyclone Tour at 48lb but not modified further, so total static weight of around 340g. The head looks a little larger than other 95 racquets and there’s little perceptible difference from some 98 racquets I’ve used previously.

Had a brief hit and first thoughts are ... so plush and power on tap. No arm issues at all. The head light balance and thin beam cuts through the air really quickly. Sweet spot seems good enough. Can flatten shots or whip up decent topspin. It’s definitely an attacking racquet and you need to go for your shots though. I’ve become a bit lazy over the last couple of years with more evenly balanced heavy racquets and tend to block the ball more, especially volleys. You can’t do that as easily with the TC95 because of the more head light nature, but when you attack the ball, it really is a sweet stick.

It’s early days but I’m loving the feel and will need to adapt my game a little, but am really looking forward to using this.
Same findings here as well - I need to work with TC95. :)
 

t_pac

Rookie
I respect this anger, character and passion to smash a racket. In some cases it is needed to win afterwards, I think it is very personal. :) In other hand I understand that it might be a bit disrespectful to the opponent/others.

P.S., never did this myself, need to try, but I'm afraid that I will not be strong enough to smash it from the very first hit. :laughing:
'Character'? That's what you call sulking around a tennis court like some over entitled man-baby, smashing up your toys because you haven't got your own way?

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Carreau

Semi-Pro
I saw a few guys smashing their sticks and they did it obviously for themselves. I would not be able to name this action like "sulking around a tennis court like some over entitled man-baby, smashing up your toys because you haven't got your own way". :) It is very personal I think.
 

DJ-

Hall of Fame
My TC100 getting the Dunlop CX makeover... :) Waaaay cheaper than racquetholism ;-)

This was my 320sw (strung) frame. Now with a little lead at 12 and the side graphics stickers (4grams total) the Swingweight is 331. I'll give it a go before I decide to remove any TW tungsten or not.

- Was 320sw
- Added 1gr at 12 = 323sw
- 4grams (sticker weight) at 3/ 9, added 8sw points, jacked it up to 331 (1g at 3&9 = 2 points in swingweight IME)

Strung with cyclone tour 16g 55m / 53x .... plays very nice, only had one set with it so far.

The color wraps can be a pain to install, just takes some time, re-positioning , e.t.c. If the racquet has some marks then bubbles will show, like mine. Not a big deal anyway, just for you perfectionists to know.
Also the clamps from the stringer can leave little marks...

 
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Subaruvich

Semi-Pro
I agree with all that was said above. Smashing racquet is very personal and in the same time arrogant and disrespectful to tennis and opponent.
Many opponents have liked it by the way, found it funny, some of them confessed they have done it too. Only one guy so far has told me that this is not acceptable. Others didn’t care probably and took it as advantage seeing my weakness.
Here is the picture of palettes and weights from the Angell TCs I have smashed over a period of time. I keep them to be able to customize my new racquets according to my needs.


So here is the commitment: no more racquet abuse until the end of 2019. Will see how it goes.
 

ed70

Professional
I agree with all that was said above. Smashing racquet is very personal and in the same time arrogant and disrespectful to tennis and opponent.
Many opponents have liked it by the way, found it funny, some of them confessed they have done it too. Only one guy so far has told me that this is not acceptable. Others didn’t care probably and took it as advantage seeing my weakness.
Here is the picture of palettes and weights from the Angell TCs I have smashed over a period of time. I keep them to be able to customize my new racquets according to my needs.


So here is the commitment: no more racquet abuse until the end of 2019. Will see how it goes.
Think a few people should lighten up a bit, I’ve no problem with racquet abuse, it always amazes me how many times you have to hit your opponent until the frame breaks.
 

anfield

Semi-Pro
Here is the picture of palettes and weights from the Angell TCs I have smashed over a period of time.
Maybe the best way to burn off this karma is by sharing these tokens of your ongoing path to tennis nirvana. Do you have any L4, in Head shape that you might want to pass on?
 

topspn

Legend
I agree with all that was said above. Smashing racquet is very personal and in the same time arrogant and disrespectful to tennis and opponent.
Many opponents have liked it by the way, found it funny, some of them confessed they have done it too. Only one guy so far has told me that this is not acceptable. Others didn’t care probably and took it as advantage seeing my weakness.
Here is the picture of palettes and weights from the Angell TCs I have smashed over a period of time. I keep them to be able to customize my new racquets according to my needs.


So here is the commitment: no more racquet abuse until the end of 2019. Will see how it goes.
Omg racquet grave yard or salvage yard :D At least when you get your cool back you’re recognizing you may still use parts
 
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