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rlau

Hall of Fame
I'm getting my V3 TC97 16x19 later today, and I'm just wondering, does anyone have the stringing specs?

I'll be doing a two piece job, per my normal hybrid setup.
T = Throat / H = Head
• First string loop in T
• Mains skips: 7T, 7H, 9T, 9H
• Mains tie-offs: 6T
• Starting knot on 5H
• Last cross string tie-off 11T

Please note that two-piece stringing the TC97/95 16x19 in my experience is a royal PITA – I really hope Paul will some day improve the design of this model to take care of this problem for us amateur stringers – due to the blocked grommet hole on 7T. So try to enlarge that hole before you start string, cut the string with a sharp tip, and use an awl to make room for pushing the string through, without damaging the string of course. Good luck!
 

topspn

Legend
Hi topspn,

I saw that you use “powerpads” in your tc95...

What’s the advantage of powerpads at tc95?

Why do you use 135 string gauge? (Because do you want better string life)

Tks

Eiki




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The power pads are just a signature of my stringer but in all honesty it doesn’t seem to make a discernible difference. I tried 1.35 gauge and liked it because i was trying to close space a bit in string bed and it worked. I got a better control and higher level precision.
 

Eiki Saito

New User
The power pads are just a signature of my stringer but in all honesty it doesn’t seem to make a discernible difference. I tried 1.35 gauge and liked it because i was trying to close space a bit in string bed and it worked. I got a better control and higher level precision.
Good
I will try/test 1.35 too [emoji2]
Tks


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t_pac

Semi-Pro
T = Throat / H = Head
• First string loop in T
• Mains skips: 7T, 7H, 9T, 9H
• Mains tie-offs: 6T
• Starting knot on 5H
• Last cross string tie-off 11T

Please note that two-piece stringing the TC97/95 16x19 in my experience is a royal PITA – I really hope Paul will some day improve the design of this model to take care of this problem for us amateur stringers – due to the blocked grommet hole on 7T. So try to enlarge that hole before you start string, cut the string with a sharp tip, and use an awl to make room for pushing the string through, without damaging the string of course. Good luck!
Loop a spare piece of string under the strings that block the hole as you go, then you can just lift them out of the way when you come to threading the cross through the blocked hole.

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rlau

Hall of Fame
Loop a spare piece of string under the strings that block the hole as you go, then you can just lift them out of the way when you come to threading the cross through the blocked hole.
Yes, that's also a good tip, but you have to be quick...
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
T = Throat / H = Head
• First string loop in T
• Mains skips: 7T, 7H, 9T, 9H
• Mains tie-offs: 6T
• Starting knot on 5H
• Last cross string tie-off 11T

Please note that two-piece stringing the TC97/95 16x19 in my experience is a royal PITA – I really hope Paul will some day improve the design of this model to take care of this problem for us amateur stringers – due to the blocked grommet hole on 7T. So try to enlarge that hole before you start string, cut the string with a sharp tip, and use an awl to make room for pushing the string through, without damaging the string of course. Good luck!
Thanks! I'll be sure to bore out that 7T hole with my awl before I start stringing.

Yeah, that is a pretty bad design flaw, especially considering how popular the two piece job is, with all the hybrid setups.
 
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supineAnimation

Hall of Fame
I always struggle with lead 3&9 because I feel it slows down the head (compared with no added lead in the same racket, of course)

I think what can help you is finding if your racquet is too much depolarized (mgR/I) and then, if that is the case, just add weight in the top of your handle. This will give more plowthrough, that may compensate for a thinner beam in a flexible frame. And it won't change much your balance and swingweight (just the total weight). I would start adding 5 grams, above the grip, test, go up or down... Then, when you find if it works and how much needed, put it under the grip

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Try 2" at 12. That always seems to help with the 3 and 9 issue slowing the swing speed, and my go to lead setup for decades has been 4-5" at 3 and 9 and 2" at 12.
 

ed70

Professional
One of my partners for doubles brought Clash to try. I saw him hitting quite loopy shots, sound was terrific, frame was quite wide - so, I decided that it principally not for me, so I rejected event to try it.
I get to test any of the new Wilson racquets that are of interest to me (friends sponsored coach) don’t bother unless frames under 65 RA. Clash was one of the weirdest frames I’ve hit with! 2015 green and black blades and the 315g red and black prostaff way better than anything out of Wilson over past 4 years.
 

MilanA

New User
TC 100 or Prince Tour 290 or Prince Tour 310... This is also my question at this time? can anyone compare these in terms of power and maneuverability etc.?
Well in terms of power I dare to say those two Prince have nothing on the TC100. Maneuverability wise I'd say it depends what spec TC100 would you take.

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teocem

Rookie
Well in terms of power I dare to say those two Prince have nothing on the TC100. Maneuverability wise I'd say it depends what spec TC100 would you take.

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V3 TC 100, 300 gr, 70 RA. Do you mean both of those Prince racquets are less powerful? And if you have tried all these 3 can you compare please?
 

MilanA

New User
@teocem I haven't tried the Prince sticks but there aren't many racquets in this size that are more powerfull than Angell TC100. [emoji39]

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what_army

Rookie
Quick question: I just got a TC95 and was a bit surprised at the throat section as the beam is much rounder than I though it would be. I had previously played with a tc95 v1 and don't recall it having this D shaped beam in the throat, I remember it being more like a rounded box beam.

Am I wrong? are the molds exactly the same between the v1 and v2 tc95?

Also, is the v2 cosmetic going to be discontinued soon?
 

saleem

Semi-Pro
Quick question: I just got a TC95 and was a bit surprised at the throat section as the beam is much rounder than I though it would be. I had previously played with a tc95 v1 and don't recall it having this D shaped beam in the throat, I remember it being more like a rounded box beam.

Am I wrong? are the molds exactly the same between the v1 and v2 tc95?

Also, is the v2 cosmetic going to be discontinued soon?
I have both versions and they are exactly the same D shape beams, the only difference V1 has higher sw than v2.
could it be that you are had tc97 before which is box beam.
 

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
@teocem I haven't tried the Prince sticks but there aren't many racquets in this size that are more powerfull than Angell TC100. [emoji39]

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The Prince Beast 100 surely is! But the tour 100s are lower than the TC in power though have more control and a bit more feel.

I can't use any of them b/c the string patterns are too open for my liking.

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teocem

Rookie
V3 TC 100, 300 gr, 70 RA. versus Prince Tour 100 (290) versus Prince Tour 100 (310).... Can anyone compare these regarding power and feedback please...?
 

what_army

Rookie
I have both versions and they are exactly the same D shape beams, the only difference V1 has higher sw than v2.
could it be that you are had tc97 before which is box beam.
Thanks for confirming salee, it must have been the tc97 in that case.

would anyone happen to know whether the tc95 v2 is being discontinued soon?
 

topspn

Legend
Thanks for confirming salee, it must have been the tc97 in that case.

would anyone happen to know whether the tc95 v2 is being discontinued soon?
Yes, naturally it will. I said it a long time ago, it makes zero sense to keep manufacturing the same models in two different ways.
 

MilanA

New User
Was hitting today with my buddy who's a more of a beginner to intermediate player and damn I struggled to keep the ball inside the field on my forehand. Damn that powerful TC100...need to tame it down somehow...or my hand [emoji23]

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topspn

Legend
Well the difference between v2 and v3 is only cosmetic, right?
V3 has a new method for the flow pattern in manufacturing called micro braiding. It created tighter tolerances and effectively seems to have kept SW more in line with target. It is lower SW then V2 also due to the PJ. The V2 PJ was heavier due to the grey patches and lettering
 

ed70

Professional
Played a match today, first time with 17g Black knight strings in my tc97, strung at 50 lbs. very nice string, has good power, comfort and spin. Thanks for recommending TopSpn.
 

haqq777

Legend
Played a match today, first time with 17g Black knight strings in my tc97, strung at 50 lbs. very nice string, has good power, comfort and spin. Thanks for recommending TopSpn.
That is a great string no doubt. I had that in my 18x20 at 45lbs. Loved it.
 

topspn

Legend
Played a match today, first time with 17g Black knight strings in my tc97, strung at 50 lbs. very nice string, has good power, comfort and spin. Thanks for recommending TopSpn.
Terrific string, really enjoyed it so much in TC95, however used the 1.28 gauge which probably doesn’t play as lively as the gauge you used. Start hitting big heavy strokes and control is quite good! As any poly i’ve ever tried, wish it lasted longer. It either breaks or starts dying around hour 8.
 

kailash

Professional
TC95 has more spin and little bit more power, feel is different dr98 is more muted with bigger sweet spot and more fast through the air, tc95 is more demanding with bigger serve
Ok, thanks. What is the closest Angell to a tweener like Pure Srike/DR98? I see there is K7 Red and also TC97.

Son playing with a leaded Pure Strike. Got a used TC100 70RA to try; he says its big. Previously tried TC97 pro, liked it, but was light; and got some wrist discomfort, most probably because of a smaller grip size.

Basically looking for a foam filled Pure Strike!
 

Nick777

Semi-Pro
Ok, thanks. What is the closest Angell to a tweener like Pure Srike/DR98? I see there is K7 Red and also TC97.

Son playing with a leaded Pure Strike. Got a used TC100 70RA to try; he says its big. Previously tried TC97 pro, liked it, but was light; and got some wrist discomfort, most probably because of a smaller grip size.

Basically looking for a foam filled Pure Strike!
tc 97 tour is 320gr unstrung so its heavier in stock form strike or dr,at custom 95/97 he can choose specs at the site when order.Tc 97 flexes more on the head like old prestige line,tc95 has uniform flex so its a matter of personal preference, if he plays at high level tc95 would probably be a better choice with a little bit of lead for stability because of bigger serve,more spin,k7 red is not as competitive as the custom line with less stability,power,plow throw but easier to play with,tc95/97 are rock solid with great feel and heavy ball
 

kailash

Professional
tc 97 tour is 320gr unstrung so its heavier in stock form strike or dr,at custom 95/97 he can choose specs at the site when order.Tc 97 flexes more on the head like old prestige line,tc95 has uniform flex so its a matter of personal preference, if he plays at high level tc95 would probably be a better choice with a little bit of lead for stability because of bigger serve,more spin,k7 red is not as competitive as the custom line with less stability,power,plow throw but easier to play with,tc95/97 are rock solid with great feel and heavy ball
Ok, thanks. I will have him try TC95 and TC97; maybe used ones first to narrow down the specs.
 
I've had a couple of brief hitting sessions with the TC97 16x19. I should caveat what I say below with the following: I bought it used and it's strung up with an unidentified hybrid (gear-shaped poly mains and a softer round poly cross) that is about ready to be cut out.

I can confirm that the response is on the cripser side, yet still very comfortable. Angell struck a great balance here. My guess is that most of this can be attributed to the foam core.

The racquet definitely has its flex concentrated in the hoop. When I first read that in this thread I sort of downplayed it, thinking that the difference would not be noticeable between this and a racquet with flex throughout the frame. I'll admit I was wrong. After switching from the TC97 to my Phantom Pro 100P, I really felt the full-frame buttery flex in the Prince that I have come to love and appreciate. I'm not feeling that in the TC97 but, in all fairness, I was not expecting for these racquets to feel the same.

I seemed to serve quite well with the Angell, and got a lot of easy depth on groundstrokes. Volleys were not great but I'm blaming at least part of this on the strings. I'll be interested to see if feel and touch improve when I get some Hyper G 17g in there.

At this point, I can't give an overall verdict on the TC97. All I can say is I'm looking forward to more sessions with this frame.
 

Nick777

Semi-Pro
I've had a couple of brief hitting sessions with the TC97 16x19. I should caveat what I say below with the following: I bought it used and it's strung up with an unidentified hybrid (gear-shaped poly mains and a softer round poly cross) that is about ready to be cut out.

I can confirm that the response is on the cripser side, yet still very comfortable. Angell struck a great balance here. My guess is that most of this can be attributed to the foam core.

The racquet definitely has its flex concentrated in the hoop. When I first read that in this thread I sort of downplayed it, thinking that the difference would not be noticeable between this and a racquet with flex throughout the frame. I'll admit I was wrong. After switching from the TC97 to my Phantom Pro 100P, I really felt the full-frame buttery flex in the Prince that I have come to love and appreciate. I'm not feeling that in the TC97 but, in all fairness, I was not expecting for these racquets to feel the same.

I seemed to serve quite well with the Angell, and got a lot of easy depth on groundstrokes. Volleys were not great but I'm blaming at least part of this on the strings. I'll be interested to see if feel and touch improve when I get some Hyper G 17g in there.

At this point, I can't give an overall verdict on the TC97. All I can say is I'm looking forward to more sessions with this frame.
Strings and tension is important and abjustment period offcourse, used to play a little bit with 100p and had to string 4-5 times to finally set at 46lbs, for some reason that stick needs low tension and for me didn't have enough power, beside that great feel and control
 

t_pac

Semi-Pro
Ok, thanks. What is the closest Angell to a tweener like Pure Srike/DR98? I see there is K7 Red and also TC97.

Son playing with a leaded Pure Strike. Got a used TC100 70RA to try; he says its big. Previously tried TC97 pro, liked it, but was light; and got some wrist discomfort, most probably because of a smaller grip size.

Basically looking for a foam filled Pure Strike!
ASL?

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kailash

Professional
ASL?

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Thanks; looked at that earlier, but is very light. He is already playing with racquets in 11.8 to 12 oz range.
Maybe it will work if there is an ASL Tour version! Something similar to Pure Drive/Aero Tour at 11.7 oz strung weight!!
 

topspn

Legend
Yes, but I have been successful only in adding weight to the hoop. Adding to the handle always gave me trouble; tried silicon, lead, foam etc few times. I would rather have the racquet come with the right weight/balance.
You try applying your weight 7” from the buttcap. Pretty easy and will offset some of the weight you added in the head and smooth out your swing. Give it try maybe you’ll like it
 

ed70

Professional
I've had a couple of brief hitting sessions with the TC97 16x19. I should caveat what I say below with the following: I bought it used and it's strung up with an unidentified hybrid (gear-shaped poly mains and a softer round poly cross) that is about ready to be cut out.

I can confirm that the response is on the cripser side, yet still very comfortable. Angell struck a great balance here. My guess is that most of this can be attributed to the foam core.

The racquet definitely has its flex concentrated in the hoop. When I first read that in this thread I sort of downplayed it, thinking that the difference would not be noticeable between this and a racquet with flex throughout the frame. I'll admit I was wrong. After switching from the TC97 to my Phantom Pro 100P, I really felt the full-frame buttery flex in the Prince that I have come to love and appreciate. I'm not feeling that in the TC97 but, in all fairness, I was not expecting for these racquets to feel the same.

I seemed to serve quite well with the Angell, and got a lot of easy depth on groundstrokes. Volleys were not great but I'm blaming at least part of this on the strings. I'll be interested to see if feel and touch improve when I get some Hyper G 17g in there.

At this point, I can't give an overall verdict on the TC97. All I can say is I'm looking forward to more sessions with this frame.
Took me a month of regular tennis to make the change to the TC97, in this time I played exclusively with the TC97 so I could dial it in. I found synth gut poly hybrid/ or origin/poly to work extremely well, but have since settled on full bed of soft poly (scorpion) I’ve recently strung one of my frames with black knight which is very promising as it has similar attributes to scorpion but more spin. Rs Lyon and silverstring also work well, although I went a few lbs lower in tension with these.
Tension is important on the TC97, i’ve Settled at 50lbs with current set ups, need to be careful not to string too high on thin beam frames can feel a bit boardy or like frying pan if you string too high.
 

ed70

Professional
Also I meant to add I wouldn’t really describe the tc97 as feeling crisp with its slight head flex and roughly 63ra strung specs, so maybe it’s the string set up. Depending on your interpretation of “crisp”.
 

Nick777

Semi-Pro
Took me a month of regular tennis to make the change to the TC97, in this time I played exclusively with the TC97 so I could dial it in. I found synth gut poly hybrid/ or origin/poly to work extremely well, but have since settled on full bed of soft poly (scorpion) I’ve recently strung one of my frames with black knight which is very promising as it has similar attributes to scorpion but more spin. Rs Lyon and silverstring also work well, although I went a few lbs lower in tension with these.
Tension is important on the TC97, i’ve Settled at 50lbs with current set ups, need to be careful not to string too high on thin beam frames can feel a bit boardy or like frying pan if you string too high.
Thats right if you strung high it will feel boardy and power less, i like 48lbs with poly like silverstring or cream and i also like hubrid with a moulti
 
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