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topspn

Hall of Fame
Looking for some advice, if anyone can help...Planning to buy an Angell, and have narrowed it down to two possibles:
TC100 310g 70 RA 9HL
or
ASL2 310g 62 RA 9HL
Obviously the specs seem pretty similar, given that the 70RA drops when racket gets assembled...so my question is, will there be any meaningful difference between the two in how they play, and if so, what? Or can I just go for the better looking racket?
Thanks.
First, keep in mind you’re comparing a 97 to a 100 so there will be some inherent mobility/forgiveness compromise. TC100 is a terrific racquet with excellent power and good feel. The one thing that anyone has to be critical of is they’d like more control. The ASL2 is not what I think of as a control racquet. The smaller head size is a bit more precise but it was engineered for a bit more response and it does give you that. It is a different design beam but you can feel the heritage of the TC line. It is an explosive frame once you start hitting with intent to overpower and does a better job in versatility of shots of flat or loopy heavy spin. The TC100s response is more uniform with a bit higher launch angle. ASL2 feel is more responsive and it can go to a different gear
 

Vigo

New User
Thanks - that's very helpful. Will give it some thought, but sounds like I'll be getting a good racket whichever one I choose, so I should probably stop worrying and just choose one!
 

mxblink

Rookie
Do you have an idea of how an ASL2 would perform vs a TC95 at similar spec? How do you feel th ASL2 compares to the TC95 in terms of stability?
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
Do you have an idea of how an ASL2 would perform vs a TC95 at similar spec? How do you feel th ASL2 compares to the TC95 in terms of stability?
Like I said, ASL2 has a different gear when you elevate to aggressive hitting. It is also more forgiving and stable then a similar spec TC95. It is still to light for me stock and I had to add weight in the head and leather grip but that is my personal preference
 

ed70

Professional
Worth remembering the the tc line are all players / control frames. It’s not like they are wide beam high powered tweeners. Power is there if you have the correct technique and can generate racquet head speed. It’s not like you will pick up a tc100 and think it’s some kind of rocket launcher. It has some nice controllable power. Having used the ai and dr I settled with the tc97 and have used them 99.9% of my matches. Can’t comment on the asL’s for me they complicate the Angell range somewhat and you wonder if there’s something your missing out on! but I suspect you need new models to keep enough interest with the brand.
 

esm

Professional
Thanks - that's very helpful. Will give it some thought, but sounds like I'll be getting a good racket whichever one I choose, so I should probably stop worrying and just choose one!
good call, and it will be a slippery slope from there on..... lol
 
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Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
Someone who has played with Donnay pro one penta or hexa 97 16x19 can compare with the tc97 for comfort, feel, stability, vibration. What are the main differences between them?

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aehjmeyer

New User
Do you have an idea of how an ASL2 would perform vs a TC95 at similar spec? How do you feel th ASL2 compares to the TC95 in terms of stability?
I asked the boss himself this very question recently, specifically with regard to whether ASL2 would be more forgiving. His response from today is below:

"All things being equal on both frames the ASL 2 will give a stiffer reaction on impact which result in an increase in free power compared to the V3 TC95.

Personally I wouldn’t say this is more forgiving and essentially the TC range is still our best performance range."

Speaking only for myself, I will definitely be trying an ASL2 next and then deciding on whether to order a 2nd TC95 16x19 V3 or 2nd ASL2 thereafter.
 

haqq777

Legend
Someone who has played with Donnay pro one penta or hexa 97 16x19 can compare with the tc97 for comfort, feel, stability, vibration. What are the main differences between them?

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Good racquets if you can get on spec since their quality control is terrible. Slightly more powerful, equally stable, similar comfort, but less control for me. I felt they were less maneuverable as well. I had two Dual Cores and two Pentas at one time. Dual Cores are more muted, Pentas as well but not as muted as Dual Cores. Each was off-spec considerably and needed customization to bring it to spec. If you are okay with that going forward, you will have no issues.

I personally will never recommend this company in a million years though. Some of the worst customer service I have ever seen, at least here in US. Spent over $600 dollars and they still owe me a free tennis bag and string reel. Company has changed ownership a few times and they have nothing to do with Donnay of the past. Very shady pricing practices and they will try to get anything they can out your wallet.

I would recommend if you want to get one, buy used and try it first. But to be honest, no comparison with Angells. Angells are superior in every aspect.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Good racquets if you can get on spec since their quality control is terrible. Slightly more powerful, equally stable, similar comfort, but less control for me. I felt they were less maneuverable as well. I had two Dual Cores and two Pentas at one time. Dual Cores are more muted, Pentas as well but not as muted as Dual Cores. Each was off-spec considerably and needed customization to bring it to spec. If you are okay with that going forward, you will have no issues.

I personally will never recommend this company in a million years though. Some of the worst customer service I have ever seen, at least here in US. Spent over $600 dollars and they still owe me a free tennis bag and string reel. Company has changed ownership a few times and they have nothing to do with Donnay of the past. Very shady pricing practices and they will try to get anything they can out your wallet.

I would recommend if you want to get one, buy used and try it first. But to be honest, no comparison with Angells. Angells are superior in every aspect.
Good to know... sounds like very sound advice.
 

monax

New User
Hello guys I'm looking for some info on Angell frames.
As it is difficult to test them I wanted to know (in your opinion) which "known" frames were close to the following rackets:

Custom TC 97 16x19

Custom TC 100 16x19

K7 red 16x19

ASL 3 16x19

ASL 2 16x19

Thank you!
 

ed70

Professional
Hello guys I'm looking for some info on Angell frames.
As it is difficult to test them I wanted to know (in your opinion) which "known" frames were close to the following rackets:

Custom TC 97 16x19

Custom TC 100 16x19

K7 red 16x19

ASL 3 16x19

ASL 2 16x19

Thank you!
TC97 16x19 310g reminds me of my Head Youtek Prestige Mid Plus 18x20
320g
Similar feel, spin, plow and launch angle. TC has more power, prestige a little more control.

Can’t comment on ASL 3 but it’s gonna need weight. TC100 v3 I’ve used, nice frame easy to use there isn’t a frame that sticks out that’s similar - thinnish beam 100sq inch 16x19 63RA.

K7 red needs a lot of weight if you play a good level, low sw, comfort and touch is sublime, reminds me of no other frame I’ve used.
 

t-swede

Semi-Pro
Using the world's finest "oversize" -- TC 105s (300 gram) with 20 grams of weight added on the lower 2/3 of the hoop. Racquets come to just under 12 ounces strung, plenty of plow yet very agile with the weight kept a little lower on the hoop (this also prevents it from being excessively powerful). Monstrous sweet spot, a joy to play with.
do you still play with this racket and setup?
 
Hey guys. I have been a tc97 16x19 (classic/v2) user for a while (330 gms, 12 pts HL, 6 gms under the bumper at 12 o clock). Tried several sticks intermittently, but keep coming back to it. The mix of control, power, feel and specs just works out best for me in matches. Lately I have been feeling maybe few gms lighter might be helpful in longer matches, and also wanting to try the 18x20 version of tc97. Was hoping to get some comparative thoughts from players who have used with both 18x20 and 16x19 version of tc97. How is the spin potential, power, control and feel different. Thanks a lot!
 

ed70

Professional
Hey guys. I have been a tc97 16x19 (classic/v2) user for a while (330 gms, 12 pts HL, 6 gms under the bumper at 12 o clock). Tried several sticks intermittently, but keep coming back to it. The mix of control, power, feel and specs just works out best for me in matches. Lately I have been feeling maybe few gms lighter might be helpful in longer matches, and also wanting to try the 18x20 version of tc97. Was hoping to get some comparative thoughts from players who have used with both 18x20 and 16x19 version of tc97. How is the spin potential, power, control and feel different. Thanks a lot!
I use the 16x19 have played with the 18x20 too. It’s your normal toss up between 16x19 and 18x20, no different to most other frame offering these 2 alternatives.
A little more power & spin with the 16x19...a little more control with the 18x20... for me they were small margins between the 2, the 16x19 is not a spin frame.
 
Set my heart on a TC100 63RA, 27.5inch, B shaped, 310g 9HL with hydrid grip setup racket.
Currently its just out of my range after delivery charge so hoping there will be a sale sometime soon.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
What's the nearest comparable string? Max power?

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I do not know if it reminds of any other string. It has a bit of elasticity but not too much, it is very comfortable with a nice pocketing response. It is not the most control poly out there but has pretty good control, a bit of power is attainable. It is not a spin machine but very respectable spin. It just seems to do everything well without being an exaggerated aspect of one thing.
 

BBender716

Semi-Pro
I do not know if it reminds of any other string. It has a bit of elasticity but not too much, it is very comfortable with a nice pocketing response. It is not the most control poly out there but has pretty good control, a bit of power is attainable. It is not a spin machine but very respectable spin. It just seems to do everything well without being an exaggerated aspect of one thing.
Sounds a lot like BHB7 actually.

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aehjmeyer

New User
I do not know if it reminds of any other string. It has a bit of elasticity but not too much, it is very comfortable with a nice pocketing response. It is not the most control poly out there but has pretty good control, a bit of power is attainable. It is not a spin machine but very respectable spin. It just seems to do everything well without being an exaggerated aspect of one thing.
Almost to a T, this is how I would describe Square-X. Would you agree?
 

aehjmeyer

New User
Square-x is the best powerful poly around probably. BK doesn’t have as much power, has more control and better longevity
Sounds great. I love Square X and have 3 sets of BK to try. Also curious to compare BK to Hexagon X from Ytex (which I also have a few sets of), as Hexagon X is supposed to have more control/durability than Square X.
 
I use the 16x19 have played with the 18x20 too. It’s your normal toss up between 16x19 and 18x20, no different to most other frame offering these 2 alternatives.
A little more power & spin with the 16x19...a little more control with the 18x20... for me they were small margins between the 2, the 16x19 is not a spin frame.
Thank you! In that case I might stick with the 16x19 then.
 

ed70

Professional
The 63 RA really better than the 70?
I think on the V3’s where the 70RA and 63RA have very similar SW’s it’s a simple preference between the 2 options, 70RA is slightly crisper with a direct response from stringbed. The 63RA has a slightly softer dampened feel on connection. Neither is better than the other, if your moving from a high RA frame like some of the babolats or Wilson burn line looking for something with more comfort, the 70RA TC100 would be well worth considering
 

alexdedo

New User
Today a doubles matchup but friendly not a league so decided to play both ASL2 and Blade. I started with blade and it sure is a good serving stick with precision, power and a heavy ball. Control is really good and played beautifully threw out. Tour bite @48lbs firmed feel up compared to BBO so i could go lower. I moved on to the ASL2 after an hour and the immediate difference was the responsiveness and easy heavy spin. I just felt the tip was still a bit light and will add a bit more weight there. I don’t believe I’m at 330SW yet but not to far off, maybe another 5 or 6pts. Felt on serve as well were I lost the tip a bit and sometimes felt too fast for the timing i wanted. I can hit big heavy loopy top spin but when you flatten out, watch out (y)
Hi there,
I have played in the past the Angell TC95 63RA 16x19 for a long while, beautiful racket. But when I found my old KBlades I could not believe how much more power I was getting from those. So I ended up selling and ordered some new V3 TC95 70RA 16x19 to see whether I could get a similar experience, but I just could not get the same free power the Blade had on serve and forehand (bearing in mind that the KBlade was pretty stiff, 69 strung). Not sure what the reason is but it was noticeable on playsight data. The only issue I have with the KBlade is that it gives me some arm tenderness. I have now ordered the V7Blade to test. Could you please compare again with the ASL2? I know you already did this, I am just wondering if the Angell can produce the same kind of pop the blades are known for and became one of the most popular frames ever. I have a powerful game from both wings and try to flatten out within 6-7 shots, so would not benefit much from crazy topspin, though it would help me a bit with net clearance. Many thanks for your help
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
Hi there,
I have played in the past the Angell TC95 63RA 16x19 for a long while, beautiful racket. But when I found my old KBlades I could not believe how much more power I was getting from those. So I ended up selling and ordered some new V3 TC95 70RA 16x19 to see whether I could get a similar experience, but I just could not get the same free power the Blade had on serve and forehand (bearing in mind that the KBlade was pretty stiff, 69 strung). Not sure what the reason is but it was noticeable on playsight data. The only issue I have with the KBlade is that it gives me some arm tenderness. I have now ordered the V7Blade to test. Could you please compare again with the ASL2? I know you already did this, I am just wondering if the Angell can produce the same kind of pop the blades are known for and became one of the most popular frames ever. I have a powerful game from both wings and try to flatten out within 6-7 shots, so would not benefit much from crazy topspin, though it would help me a bit with net clearance. Many thanks for your help
Hmm..not sure what the issue is with the TC95 in either RA. In all honesty, they served pretty big for me and hit pretty heavy balls. Just for context, I had the 320g/9HL ordered spec and once strung up with poly around 48lbs and a bit of weight @2&10 and OG was 344g approx. The responsiveness of the ASL2 is certainly upped and i have silver 7 tour @48 which is meant to be a crisp control string but it is my first time trying it. Yes, it has bigger power than a TC95 and a bit forgiveness. I haven’t played that much with ASL2 yet, however it is pretty comfortable and I truly can’t imagine that it is low powered at all although it is not a PD like racquet. My ASL2 does have some weight @7” from the butt cap, OG and a bit of weight at the tip and 2&10, it’s 335.4g. My blade is 340g at this point strung with tour bite @48. I think it surprisingly is serving big and with good action on the ball but it has been my experience that tour bite does help there. Comparing power, I would not say it has more free power. This is first and foremost a more control oriented frame but does have decent power with good mechanics. The blade really shines with its tight 16x19 pattern that gives some good precision. All things equal the ASL2 would have more power, the blade has more precision, control and not a big drop off in power. Especially so with my blade at 12oz.
 

BBender716

Semi-Pro
Honestly I feel that the Blade comes with more of that "feel" and plow through because it's got the unique characteristic of being more head heavy while still being an advanced frame that has lots of flex and overall high-ish stock swing weight. If you want that out of an Angell, move it to more like 4-6pts head light and weight it up to 320g.

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krikamons

New User
Honestly I feel that the Blade comes with more of that "feel" and plow through because it's got the unique characteristic of being more head heavy while still being an advanced frame that has lots of flex and overall high-ish stock swing weight. If you want that out of an Angell, move it to more like 4-6pts head light and weight it up to 320g.

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The feel at impact is really great on the blade. I have tc97 310 6pts and it is as stable as blade but feels more boardy. Blade feels how tc97 would feel if i used one of the multi colour kids tennis balls. Some may not like it but I find it very nice. tc95 63ra 320 10pts is as flexible/soft at impact (perhaps even more) but doesn't have the stability. I am still deliberating if I should move the weights in the handle to make it 4-6pts in the hope of fixing the issue
 

Dansan

Rookie
I think the K7 Lime is exactly what you're looking for. I actually just made the switch from my TC95s. I didn't even want to - The TC95 has a certain versatility and playfulness that the K7 lime doesn't quite replicate and that I really enjoy... but only when I'm on. Unfortunately I haven't been able to play as much as I want, and the Lime is just an easier stick to play with. More stable in stock form. I added 4.5g to the tip and it hits a huge ball as well.
There is something very addictive about the K7 Lime that I can't really explain but I think it has to do with the way it feels when hitting the ball. I think it's a bit string sensitive/tension sensitive - I'm slowly dialing that in. I've also been experimenting with lead....I'll try adding some to 12 and see what it does for me because in stock form it needed a little extra pop, I tried 3 and 9...which added some stability but I think adding to the tip will help me hit a heavier ball
 

Caol-ila

New User
I agree about the K7 lime. I did not have a good experience with the TC97 18x20, I found it too boardy, so when I got the TC95 18x20 and the K7lime I was quite doubtful. I got them out of curiosity - another name of racquetholism - and was pleseantly surprised by the K7lime feeling and performance. It feels “soft” but powerful enough to close points from the baseline. Forgiving but precise, and very maneuvrable. It is a pleasure to play with. I added 3 + 3 grams at hrs 3 and 9 for more stability and power, so far I am happy.
 

ed70

Professional
I agree about the K7 lime. I did not have a good experience with the TC97 18x20, I found it too boardy, so when I got the TC95 18x20 and the K7lime I was quite doubtful. I got them out of curiosity - another name of racquetholism - and was pleseantly surprised by the K7lime feeling and performance. It feels “soft” but powerful enough to close points from the baseline. Forgiving but precise, and very maneuvrable. It is a pleasure to play with. I added 3 + 3 grams at hrs 3 and 9 for more stability and power, so far I am happy.
18x20’s can feel “boardy” with the wrong string & tension, I’ve always dropped tension lower on 18x20. I’ve not hit the lime but there’s no reason for the 18x20 tc97 to feel more boardy than the tc95 18x20. The tc97 18x20 I’ve hit was a comfortable flexi stick that was solid and had good power and spin potential.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Like I said, ASL2 has a different gear when you elevate to aggressive hitting. It is also more forgiving and stable then a similar spec TC95. It is still to light for me stock and I had to add weight in the head and leather grip but that is my personal preference
I might have to try one after advertisement like this.

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Has anyone tried to fit 18x20 Angell grommets to Dunlop Bio 300 Tour? Just out of curiosity.
 
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Keoni068

Rookie
I need some advice: what tricks do you guys use when stringing a hybrid on the TC100/ASL3 with the blocked hole prior to the cross tie off? The main tie off blocks the hole on both sides, and I’m wondering if there’s a fix?
 
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