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ed70

Semi-Pro
I understand that as well as the benefit of using one/the same frame all the time. Thing is, and I’m sure we can agree on that, some frames are better for ones game than others. The fact I was using TC97 for a year or so doesn’t necessarily mean it was the right frame for me (at least as far as competitive tennis and results are concerned). I understand the need for good footwork and technique overall, even more so on high balls to my BH on clay. Thing is, I’m much more capable of taking them on the rise with TC100 which allows me to enjoy the game more, not even going to things like serve and put-away forehands. I do like the feel of box beams better but my performance and results speak clearly - I’m much harder to play against while swinging TC100/TC95.

Tour G330 is my golden ticket, it blends almost everything I need and like. Unfortunately, it’s rather throat heavy and I’m struggling to get it going approx after two hours of hitting. It will get better with practice and there’s a high chance it might become my ultimate weapon of choice going onwards if I manage to have a regular/frequent tennis schedule.
Yes I know what you mean about getting the frame going very important to my game (RHS) I tend to favour frames around the 325-330sw. Enables me to hit out at every ball, I’ve struggled with too much SW in the past so I know exactly where I need a frame.
The new blades are worth a try was hitting them last week a club pro had a few, the 16x19s a definite improvement on the last decent blades back in 2015, the 18x20 felt pretty much the same as the 2015 to me tho. Bit of extra weight in the handle and they are ready to go
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Yes I know what you mean about getting the frame going very important to my game (RHS) I tend to favour frames around the 325-330sw. Enables me to hit out at every ball, I’ve struggled with too much SW in the past so I know exactly where I need a frame.
The new blades are worth a try was hitting them last week a club pro had a few, the 16x19s a definite improvement on the last decent blades back in 2015, the 18x20 felt pretty much the same as the 2015 to me tho. Bit of extra weight in the handle and they are ready to go
Yes, I was contemplating a V7 Blade for a while. One of my friends is planning to get one so I’ll have a chance to try it.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
Yes, I was contemplating a V7 Blade for a while. One of my friends is planning to get one so I’ll have a chance to try it.
Yep, I have one V7 16x19. Leather grip, some weight 2&10 and OG. Pretty sweet racquet with very good control/power balance
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Well..I switched quite some time ago and, to be honest, TC97 doesn’t really excite me. For me, D beamed Angells have another gear available both in spin and power.

TC97 18x20 is a sensational frame. Exquisite feel and solid performance. I enjoyed hitting slices, half volleys and volleys with it but I can’t really say it suits all styles or that it’s claycourters dream. My natural shots are more modern, with SW grip and sometimes I like to go full Nadal, too. I struggled when I started to play on clay because I was playing against better (clay) players than I was and my algorithms from hardcourts were not working. When you’re struggling to keep up tactically (because what you’re used to just doesn’t work), there’s not much space for playing out of your technical comfort zone. I naturally reverted to my SW/full W strokes and leaded up TC97 didn’t really agree with that. For instance, I wasn’t good enough to cope with constant high balls to my BH. I couldn’t take them on the rise all the time because of bad bounces, heavy leaded frame didn’t really help when hitting hip and above...that’s when TC100 comes in and I realized how easy tennis can be if you play with a racquet that suits you well.

Could I have buckled down and improve both technically and tactically while using TC97? Absolutely. Again, it didn’t excite me that much for me to try at the time. For instance, I didn’t play much/almost at all from October 2018 until June 2019. Returned to face the same good players that have gotten even better in the meantime. Had a couple of sessions playing with my beloved Tour G330 and quickly conceded I’m just not good enough at the moment to use it. I customized my first ever tennis racquet (Wilson K Rush FX) with a lot of lead into nicely polarized setup and, playing 2-3x a week I got back to business. I even won all six sets of my last two sessions. That experience convinced me I’d be able to adjust to almost any frame...given time and effort. Between Tour G330, TC100, Bio300T and TC90, I’ve got everything I need on tennis court. This project of recreating a setup that I like best is a matter of excitement and exploration. Long story short, TC97 is neither of those things to me.

Sorry for this long post, I could have (...and probably should have) ended after first two sentences.
Why don't you use TC100 anymore? It was 1-year experiment only? I remember your commitment.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Why don't you use TC100 anymore? It was 1-year experiment only? I remember your commitment.
I switched to Yonex Tour G 330 in April 2018...feel and better accuracy were main reasons for that. Serves, power and topspin are easier to access with TC100, but in absolute numbers, there’s not too much between the two. If TC100 is Thor’s hammer, Tour G is a laser cannon (if you can swing it). I was able to do 1 hour of high intensity drills (20-30 min warm up before that) and then 2-3 sets of match play with only slight decrease in racquet head speed and overall shot quality.

When I moved away from home in October 2018, I took my main Tour G and two TC100s with me. I was expecting I wouldn’t play as much as back home but, because of work and other stuff, I ended up playing 3-4 times in total between October 2018 and the end of June 2019. I used Tour G because I wanted to have at least some continuity and a friend of mine used one of the 100s. It was more of a messing around than proper tennis anyway, a bit of work out before heading out for beers (what else would you do in Prague...).

I went back home for two months at the end June ‘19 with my regular tennis gear back at my rental flat in Prague. I have some Tour Gs back home but I quickly realized I’m not anywhere near to my tennis level from summer 2018. I needed some help from my racquet until I got better and TC100 would have been my obvious first choice but it was 700km away. Apart from Tour Gs and some classic midsize frames, I had either DR98 or my old tweener frame to choose from. I remembered Chris from TW and his experiment - he tailweighted a super light tweener frame with excellent results so I went that way. I’ve added some 40g to a 280g stock tweener - heat shrink sleeve to up the gripsize, lead at both ends, leather replacement grip...I managed to build a very interesting racquet indeed, kind of like my personal Aero Pro Drive. Plays really decent but it forced me to re-think and rebuild my tennis a bit. It doesn’t have precision and power of Tour G so I was forced to hit bigger targets and construct points more carefully instead of forcing the issue or going for winners too soon.

I learned a lot and developed my game quite nicely but after those two months of compromising, I’m really looking forward to hitting with TC100 again as I will have much more time for tennis from now on. Tour G is still my main aspiration but TC100 is a machine of a frame and the most reliable servant. I’ll experiment with either 70RA TC95 or ASL 2 to see if I can create something with more accuracy than TC100 and more polarized/whippy action than Tour G while keeping the good stuff. I haven’t bought any tennis racquet for some two years now and I’m curious how Angell frames are evolving. TC100, however, will always be my match-play standard by which other frames are measured.
 
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Carreau

Semi-Pro
I was experimenting a lot with my TC100s. And I found that accuracy will depend on two things (in my case) - weight/balance and string. A slightly not enough head light - and I'm missing control. Same with strings - more control oriented strings and strictly 2 weeks maximum. However, it works for me but it is very individual. Seems you are very analytic and you know your gear, I'm sure you will like both ASL2 and TC9570RA.
 

Toby14

Semi-Pro
I was experimenting a lot with my TC100s. And I found that accuracy will depend on two things (in my case) - weight/balance and string. A slightly not enough head light - and I'm missing control. Same with strings - more control oriented strings and strictly 2 weeks maximum. However, it works for me but it is very individual. Seems you are very analytic and you know your gear, I'm sure you will like both ASL2 and TC9570RA.
Could you elaborate about the weight/balance (I also have TC100 in 310/315 as well as TC95 in the same spec) and also the string and tension.

Thanks, Toby
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Could you elaborate about the weight/balance (I also have TC100 in 310/315 as well as TC95 in the same spec) and also the string and tension.

Thanks, Toby
I'm using same 310g versions currently. And any version that is more head heavy than 315mm (unstrung) becomes too powerful and difficult to control.
I'm using stiffer control oriented strings in summer - Tour Bite, Cyclone, SPPP, Kirschbaum Pro Line Rough. Softer strings works good in winter - Black Code, MSV FocusHEX Ultra, etc.
HyperG and Ultra Cable works good both in summer and winter.
I'm stringing them 21,5/21,5 typically with a pre-stretch. A bit less for Kischbaums and SPPP and a bit more for HyperG, Black Code.
By the way, combination of low powered mains and softer crosses works nice as well. For example SPPP + Co-Focus/BlackCode.
 

TheBaseliner

New User
I am playing with TC 95 RA 63 v2 and SW is 332 measured on machine. I see that on V3 version SW can be 10 points lower for same specification. What can I get, what to loose with lower SW if make transition, except maneuverability?
 

aehjmeyer

New User
ASL2 back from stringer with Black Knight 1.28. (Aside: found a new stringer who clearly knows what he's doing! Grommets look pristine.)

Using TWU tool and my scale, 333gm/322mm/320SW with OG/strings. League match Wednesday and maybe some serves this weekend if weather allows. Gonna try stock for awhile before attempting any customization.
 

what_army

Rookie
Quick question to all wrapped-tc95 users: has anyone experimented with the colour wraps and has an idea as to whether they change much in terms of playing? How much weight / swingweight do they add? Thanks
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I am playing with TC 95 RA 63 v2 and SW is 332 measured on machine. I see that on V3 version SW can be 10 points lower for same specification. What can I get, what to loose with lower SW if make transition, except maneuverability?
A bit of plow through, authority on the ball perhaps, less stability on volleys...

I’d like to extend this question to feel and overall performance. I only played with V1 TC95 (V2 TC97), but I’d hope that V3 “D” beam Angells are not too far off from previous generations.
 

Rysty

Rookie
I have V2 16x19 and V3 18x20 with same specs, I can't recognize any differences but the effects of string pattern.

On the other hand, I bought all of these straight from Paul so it is possible that he has matched the swingweight, too. I bought the V2s last year and V3s about 2 months ago. Edit: 4x V2, 4x V3, all are TC 95s.
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
A bit of plow through, authority on the ball perhaps, less stability on volleys...

I’d like to extend this question to feel and overall performance. I only played with V1 TC95 (V2 TC97), but I’d hope that V3 “D” beam Angells are not too far off from previous generations.
V3 has better feel (a bit more solid) comparing to V2. And less or more consistent SW in terms of performance. I prefer V3.
 

darklore009

Hall of Fame
V3 feels more consistent in feeling than the V2. I have a friend that has his TC100 V2 that he bought from a fellow TT member and i felt slighly disconnected from my shots.

I slapped on Luxilion Gut on my TC95 V3 and boy it spoiled me so hard that it became the best racket setup of all time. (out performs my budget set up of Gosen OG Sheep Mico in the mains, which only last a week)
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
V3 feels more consistent in feeling than the V2. I have a friend that has his TC100 V2 that he bought from a fellow TT member and i felt slighly disconnected from my shots.

I slapped on Luxilion Gut on my TC95 V3 and boy it spoiled me so hard that it became the best racket setup of all time. (out performs my budget set up of Gosen OG Sheep Mico in the mains, which only last a week)
I also think the V3 feels and performs more consistently, but I'm probably persuaded by the string pattern change as well, from V2 16x19 to V3 18x20. Do you hit the TC95? What do you cross the Gosen with?

But I'm with you. I had Klip Gut/V-Star crosses in my TC95 18x20s and it lasted forever. I'm currently just starting to experiment with poly/poly hybrids. I was a long-time Cyclone user, so debating on Cyclone 18 mains/V-Star 18 or Polyfibre Hightec 18 crosses. That said, I bet a Polyfibre/V-Star hybrid would work great (both soft polys). And topspn gave me a pack of Tier One Black Knight 18 that I haven't tried yet either, lol. I'm turning into a stringaholic.
 

c0ppo

New User
Greetings,

My first post here, so hi to all :)

I want to order Angell V3 TC97 with 18x20 string pattern, and 310gr or 320gr (still considering my options), and with leather grip.
What is the approximate swing weight I can expect?
 

edelp

Rookie
Greetings,

My first post here, so hi to all :)

I want to order Angell V3 TC97 with 18x20 string pattern, and 310gr or 320gr (still considering my options), and with leather grip.
What is the approximate swing weight I can expect?
my TC97 V3 300gr and 32,5cm BP has an unstrung SW of 304... does this help?
 

c0ppo

New User
my TC97 V3 300gr and 32,5cm BP has an unstrung SW of 304... does this help?
I can just assume that 310gr or even 320gr version would have higher SW? Sorry for guessing, but I'm a racket noob :D

And yes, it sure helps. Thanks for the help.
 

darklore009

Hall of Fame
I also think the V3 feels and performs more consistently, but I'm probably persuaded by the string pattern change as well, from V2 16x19 to V3 18x20. Do you hit the TC95? What do you cross the Gosen with?

But I'm with you. I had Klip Gut/V-Star crosses in my TC95 18x20s and it lasted forever. I'm currently just starting to experiment with poly/poly hybrids. I was a long-time Cyclone user, so debating on Cyclone 18 mains/V-Star 18 or Polyfibre Hightec 18 crosses. That said, I bet a Polyfibre/V-Star hybrid would work great (both soft polys). And topspn gave me a pack of Tier One Black Knight 18 that I haven't tried yet either, lol. I'm turning into a stringaholic.
I use Pros Pro Black for the cross to keep the cost down to roughly $1 a string job. The setup is good for a good couple of hours until it either gets stiff or loosen tension to the point I try to break it. I'm still debating if I want to stay with Natural gut as I get fussed about tension maintenance being crap, at the same time dont want to dish out the money to buy Natural gut. I will have to see how long Lux gut will last until they break or go too loose where I cant control my shots.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
I use Pros Pro Black for the cross to keep the cost down to roughly $1 a string job. The setup is good for a good couple of hours until it either gets stiff or loosen tension to the point I try to break it. I'm still debating if I want to stay with Natural gut as I get fussed about tension maintenance being crap, at the same time dont want to dish out the money to buy Natural gut. I will have to see how long Lux gut will last until they break or go too loose where I cant control my shots.
Gut/poly is probably the most durable and best value I've found long term. I string my own racquets, so that definitely helps. I've always strung the gut a little too loose for the long haul, so the string bed usually gets a little jumpy, but man does it hold its tension. Next time, I might string the gut in the low-mid 50s. My biggest issue with gut/poly is that I eventually feel like I start losing dwell time (when the poly dies--even though it's still very playable). Just a fraction more dwell time gives me a lot of confidence, so I like hybrids with a softer string in the crosses. If I ever have money to burn (yeah right), I might splurge for poly/gut, but until then, I'm gonna try to find a poly/soft poly combo -- or go back to poly/Gosen.
 

darklore009

Hall of Fame
I play at a much higher tension around 60ibs (10% prestrech) in the mains and 58ibs in the crosses. So far, they played pretty much the same as they come out of the machine.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
@Classic-TXP-IG MID, fantastic comparison between TC95 and TC97. Seems very coherent with other users' experiences. Do you feel the ASL2 has the potential to be close to this true "Goldielocks" racket, based on specs and comparsions that topspn has shared?
ASL2 has the same string spacing of TC95 and grommets fit. Launch angle is on par with TC95 I would say. As you’d expect, precision is somewhere between TC95 and TC100
The post above is straight from @topspn and he would know, as I have never tried the ASL2... Hope that helped.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
I play at a much higher tension around 60ibs (10% prestrech) in the mains and 58ibs in the crosses. So far, they played pretty much the same as they come out of the machine.
I wouldn't expect much drop off at that tension. If you do experience a decrease in performance, I'd venture the crosses are to blame. I play 18x20s, so that tension would be like a board. I think 52/49--55/52 (gut/poly) in my frames would achieve all I could hope for.
 

darklore009

Hall of Fame
As much I wanted to retain my Gut Mains and want to string the crosses only, theres a lot of people that would say no to that as it wont play the same after you string it.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
As much I wanted to retain my Gut Mains and want to string the crosses only, theres a lot of people that would say no to that as it wont play the same after you string it.
Probably true. But you're gonna get at least 15 hours, possibly 20-25 hours, of excellent playability out of each string bed. If you can afford it, it's hard to beat. Now that I brought it up a few posts back, I'm gonna have to try the gut in the crosses just once. By the time they break with a soft poly main, I'd probably want to restring anyway.
 
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topspn

Hall of Fame
You could also get lots of playing hours from the crossfire hybrid. Kevlar mains and ZX crosses with a big tension differential. If you like the feel
 

esm

Semi-Pro
Quick q - is K7 Red stringing instruction is the same as TC97 16x19? The two piece cross tie off seems to be very tight against the last main.....
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Quick q - is K7 Red stringing instruction is the same as TC97 16x19? The two piece cross tie off seems to be very tight against the last main.....
Yep, but is is easy doable and this knot will not affect playability. No worries.
 

landcookie

New User
I switched to Yonex Tour G 330 in April 2018...feel and better accuracy were main reasons for that. Serves, power and topspin are easier to access with TC100, but in absolute numbers, there’s not too much between the two. If TC100 is Thor’s hammer, Tour G is a laser cannon (if you can swing it). I was able to do 1 hour of high intensity drills (20-30 min warm up before that) and then 2-3 sets of match play with only slight decrease in racquet head speed and overall shot quality.

When I moved away from home in October 2018, I took my main Tour G and two TC100s with me. I was expecting I wouldn’t play as much as back home but, because of work and other stuff, I ended up playing 3-4 times in total between October 2018 and the end of June 2019. I used Tour G because I wanted to have at least some continuity and a friend of mine used one of the 100s. It was more of a messing around than proper tennis anyway, a bit of work out before heading out for beers (what else would you do in Prague...).

I went back home for two months at the end June ‘19 with my regular tennis gear back at my rental flat in Prague. I have some Tour Gs back home but I quickly realized I’m not anywhere near to my tennis level from summer 2018. I needed some help from my racquet until I got better and TC100 would have been my obvious first choice but it was 700km away. Apart from Tour Gs and some classic midsize frames, I had either DR98 or my old tweener frame to choose from. I remembered Chris from TW and his experiment - he tailweighted a super light tweener frame with excellent results so I went that way. I’ve added some 40g to a 280g stock tweener - heat shrink sleeve to up the gripsize, lead at both ends, leather replacement grip...I managed to build a very interesting racquet indeed, kind of like my personal Aero Pro Drive. Plays really decent but it forced me to re-think and rebuild my tennis a bit. It doesn’t have precision and power of Tour G so I was forced to hit bigger targets and construct points more carefully instead of forcing the issue or going for winners too soon.

I learned a lot and developed my game quite nicely but after those two months of compromising, I’m really looking forward to hitting with TC100 again as I will have much more time for tennis from now on. Tour G is still my main aspiration but TC100 is a machine of a frame and the most reliable servant. I’ll experiment with either 70RA TC95 or ASL 2 to see if I can create something with more accuracy than TC100 and more polarized/whippy action than Tour G while keeping the good stuff. I haven’t bought any tennis racquet for some two years now and I’m curious how Angell frames are evolving. TC100, however, will always be my match-play standard by which other frames are measured.
Hey @joohan, what strings do you find suits best on your tc100? I'm still playing around with string setups for my TC100s (16/19, 27.5 inches @ 330 SW). I play a relatively heavy topspin game. Currently have RS Lyon 1.25 but not finding much joy. Didn't enjoy rpm, head hawk touch was nice but way too expensive.

Currently thinking Hyper G or Ice code to try next. Tour bite was my go to in my previous racquet (DR 98+) but didn't like how unpredictable it got over time.

Any recommendations? Cheers
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Hey @joohan, what strings do you find suits best on your tc100? I'm still playing around with string setups for my TC100s (16/19, 27.5 inches @ 330 SW). I play a relatively heavy topspin game. Currently have RS Lyon 1.25 but not finding much joy. Didn't enjoy rpm, head hawk touch was nice but way too expensive.

Currently thinking Hyper G or Ice code to try next. Tour bite was my go to in my previous racquet (DR 98+) but didn't like how unpredictable it got over time.

Any recommendations? Cheers
Hi,

I’m afraid I won’t be of much help here. I like softer round polys and RS Lyon, along with WeissCannon Silverstring and Scorpion are my golden standards. I have Kirschbaum Pro Line II 1.25 in my DR98 and TC90 but I’ve never tried it in 63RA Angells because I thought that combination of softer uniform flex and softer poly might result in trampoline effect.

If I were to suggest anything...Yonex Poly Tour Spin might be worth a try as well as WeissCannon Scorpion. Silverstring is quite similar to RS Lyon.

That’s all I have. Not too much savvy about latest poly strings...
 

landcookie

New User
Hi,

I’m afraid I won’t be of much help here. I like softer round polys and RS Lyon, along with WeissCannon Silverstring and Scorpion are my golden standards. I have Kirschbaum Pro Line II 1.25 in my DR98 and TC90 but I’ve never tried it in 63RA Angells because I thought that combination of softer uniform flex and softer poly might result in trampoline effect.

If I were to suggest anything...Yonex Poly Tour Spin might be worth a try as well as WeissCannon Scorpion. Silverstring is quite similar to RS Lyon.

That’s all I have. Not too much savvy about latest poly strings...
Thanks for the insight!
Interesting note about soft poly on the 63 RA. I've found the RS Lyon to feel extremely boardy on my 63 RA TC100, not trampoliney at all. In fact, I have the isospeed baseline spin on my 70RA and that felt like a rocket launcher.

I may have to give poly tour spin a go - you're referring to the blue string, not the red (PTS-g) I would assume?
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Lyon should not feel boardy, unless it was dead already or was strung high.
Blue spin version is quite stiff and feels a bit cheap IMO.
 

DJ-

Hall of Fame
I have been loving cyclone tour 16g in tc100 of late! Been getting 15hrs avg.53/51lbs
Weird thing is plays better sitting for two three weeks after stringing. A bit like @dgoran with his typhoon
 

Dufur719

New User
Anyone knows if Angell rackets support head pallets? I ordered shape A3 in my tc95 but feels different than my pt57e that has tk57 pallets
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Thanks for the insight!
Interesting note about soft poly on the 63 RA. I've found the RS Lyon to feel extremely boardy on my 63 RA TC100, not trampoliney at all. In fact, I have the isospeed baseline spin on my 70RA and that felt like a rocket launcher.

I may have to give poly tour spin a go - you're referring to the blue string, not the red (PTS-g) I would assume?
Yes, the blue one. I find it’s quite a good fit for softer frames with higher SW. Tones the power down a bit.
 

landcookie

New User
Lyon should not feel boardy, unless it was dead already or was strung high.
Blue spin version is quite stiff and feels a bit cheap IMO.
I've got my Lyon strung at 45/43, so not high by any means.

Boardy may not be the right word - that would suggest a harsh string bed; when in fact Lyon is quite the opposite. It's very comfortable.

Perhaps it's the lack of feel/response that I'm trying to describe. Muted maybe? The polar opposite would be something like RPM where I can feel the strings dig into the ball (a sensation I rather like), whereas on Lyon the dwell time feels a lot shorter. Again, just my personal experience.

Maybe I've become too used with shaped polys and have forgotten what round polys feel like. I gotta say though, the more I play with Lyon, the more I'm liking how predictable this string is - something I never get with shaped polys. Its also keeping tension amazingly well.
 
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