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ed70

Semi-Pro
Does anyone have problem generating power if hits are off-center / out of sweet spot a little? I've been playing with the the TC100, up around 350g, 31.cm balance and I feel like if I connect on the outer edges of the frame (yes, I know, don't hit it there hahah), I get no help, like it feels stiff almost. Coming from my Tour 95 where i could snap it on the reach and it'd feel solid, this feels a bit dead. Maybe I'm also having trouble making the 95 to 100sq in adjustment? lol

It could also be the strings which I'm still testing....just curious though. Obviosuly when I hit dead on it's amazing, beautiful power and feel.
Lol sounds like your last frame was a magic wand if you could hit the outer edges and still hit with power! Joking aside I found the tc100 to have the biggest sweet spot of the Angells (not hit tc105) sounds to me that coming from a 95 upto 100 will take a while to adjust, maybe a smaller head is easier to hit in the middle than a larger head.
 

ChrisG

New User
I also found some difficulties to come back to a 100sq frame. Last week I brought to the court three racquet with different head sizes to have some fun comparing them, and I had no worries changing my main frame TC95 to my PT630, but when I got the TC100, the feeling was quite vague and I didn't feel as connected.

Finally I played a tournament this week, and the TC95 magic is back, my fitness needs to adapt but the frame is rock solid. absolutely love it.
 

tpro2000

Rookie
Lol sounds like your last frame was a magic wand if you could hit the outer edges and still hit with power! Joking aside I found the tc100 to have the biggest sweet spot of the Angells (not hit tc105) sounds to me that coming from a 95 upto 100 will take a while to adjust, maybe a smaller head is easier to hit in the middle than a larger head.
Lol, exactly. That damn Tour 95 was a magic stick haha. What I found though, is after adding quite a bit of lead (basically 10 to 2 - from second cross string across the hoop to the other side), that it offset the weight I put in my handle on purpose to build up the grip while adding mass.

With that I have more feel on the top end, and it seems to have made it all more solid again.

With that said, you're absolutely right - It's an adjust period coming form a 95. I'm dialing it in more and more, and it's a super fun racquet. I'll just be ruined going forward if I ever want a different frame haha! :)
 

tpro2000

Rookie
I also found some difficulties to come back to a 100sq frame. Last week I brought to the court three racquet with different head sizes to have some fun comparing them, and I had no worries changing my main frame TC95 to my PT630, but when I got the TC100, the feeling was quite vague and I didn't feel as connected.

Finally I played a tournament this week, and the TC95 magic is back, my fitness needs to adapt but the frame is rock solid. absolutely love it.
Being that I modded my TC100 to a spec similar to the Tour 95 I had, has definitely helped. Main difference is the swingweight between the two, but I'm getting used to it.

Well, If you want another TC95 V2, I have one I'm not using :)
 

Unchi

Rookie
Hi guys,
could anyone please tell me how I can change the shape of my existing TC custom V2 rackets?
I enjoy trying out different rackets and now own about 20+ Angell sticks(9 of them being TC90).
I recently found out I prefer the A shape over B shape but Angell wouldn't answer my questions.
Also, how difficult is it to take off those stapled pallets?
Thank you in advance!
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
Hi guys,
could anyone please tell me how I can change the shape of my existing TC custom V2 rackets?
I enjoy trying out different rackets and now own about 20+ Angell sticks(9 of them being TC90).
I recently found out I prefer the A shape over B shape but Angell wouldn't answer my questions.
Also, how difficult is it to take off those stapled pallets?
Thank you in advance!
1st you would have to source the desired pallet. I think Angell doesn't sell pallets or it's not something they like to do.

It's fairly easy to remove the pallet. Some Angells I've seen have a nail that you have to pry off. If you can do it successfully, keep it to reuse. Remove the butt cap and also try and carefully remove the staples to either reuse but more importantly not to damage the pallet. Have a heat gun if possible to warm up the pallet/adhesive but don't warp the pallet. You can save the pallet for reuse or sell them. Use a flat screw driver to use as a wedge to pry the pallets off.

Often times the adhesive residue on the racquet will be enough to hold the new pallet on. I've added double sided sticky tape or sprayed it with adhesive. From there...reverse the process and you have a new pallet on the racquet.
 

tpro2000

Rookie
I just tried it, and it has the 150, then adds 25 for shipping. So, mine says 175. If you chose a leather grip, or the racquet sac, either one of those adds 5 to make it 155.

Not sure if any of that actually helps....
 

Jouke

Semi-Pro
is angell really worth it? i see so many of them up for sale on stringforum everyday.
I think about 3 years ago there werent many very good options. With stiff and arm wrecking frames being standard. Also a lot of frames are out of spec. And Angell provides excellent frames and a matching service so you get matched frames.

Nowadays there are a lot of good options and stores providing matching services. I personally sold all my angells, but kept my K7 Lime, which is one of the best rackets out there.
 

shuaigezfy

New User
I bought a TC95 last month, and found that little spots of the beautiful glossy paint fall off themselves, is this a case for everyone? Its like at first there was an uneven surface, then when i touched it, it cracks, then the fragments of paint came off.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I bought a TC95 last month, and found that little spots of the beautiful glossy paint fall off themselves, is this a case for everyone? Its like at first there was an uneven surface, then when i touched it, it cracks, then the fragments of paint came off.
I can only speak about V1 and V2 but Angell usually has the highest standard regarding paint. V1 paints were as good as bulletproof...no chips even with rougher handling.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
I bought a TC95 last month, and found that little spots of the beautiful glossy paint fall off themselves, is this a case for everyone? Its like at first there was an uneven surface, then when i touched it, it cracks, then the fragments of paint came off.
Wow I have had V1, V2 and V3 paint jobs and they were all pretty bullet proof comparatively speaking.
 

Jouke

Semi-Pro
I can only speak about V1 and V2 but Angell usually has the highest standard regarding paint. V1 paints were as good as bulletproof...no chips even with rougher handling.
My v2s chipped a lot. I have been reading a lot about paint quality and how superb it is on the angells. Its good when new. But if it starts to chip big chuncks can come out of the paint. V3 had the issue of paint coming of when wrapping overgriptape on the base of the handle.
And my K7s have started to lose random paint chips ( a la ultra tour), also around the grommets.

Grommets are (too) soft and are damaged very easily.
 

tpro2000

Rookie
I think all of this stuff happens for a few companies. Prince Textreme was some of the worst - if you sneezed on it it would leave a chip. My racquets looked destroyed most of the time. I took to filling in chips with black marker haha
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
My v2s chipped a lot. I have been reading a lot about paint quality and how superb it is on the angells. Its good when new. But if it starts to chip big chuncks can come out of the paint. V3 had the issue of paint coming of when wrapping overgriptape on the base of the handle.
And my K7s have started to lose random paint chips ( a la ultra tour), also around the grommets.

Grommets are (too) soft and are damaged very easily.
That is interesting i’ve had Angell for as long as 2 years and never a chip in paint.
 

SaaKha

New User
So I decided to hit with my TC97 16x19 after having it shelves for months. First had it strung with a gut/poly at 58/55 but didn’t like it all. Decided to try Wilson Revolve at 53 and man does it feel so much better. Very plush. Would recommend trying it.

And about the paint, I’ve noticed that mine has chipped pretty easily, especially on the throat. Also the times I’ve had it strung there were marks left on the racquet. Happened before I got to even hit with it which was a bummer lol.
 

tennis347

Semi-Pro
I bought 2 Angell K7 Red frames used about a month ago and initially did not like them. After a little customization, I have really dialed in with K7 Red. The K7 Red has to be one of most forgiving racquets with great feel, spin and decent pop. I also had purchased the new version of the Wilson Blade 98 about a month and half ago. The new Blade is a good frame but it took me a month to realize that my game is more geared to the Angell K7 Red!
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
My v2s chipped a lot. I have been reading a lot about paint quality and how superb it is on the angells. Its good when new. But if it starts to chip big chuncks can come out of the paint. V3 had the issue of paint coming of when wrapping overgriptape on the base of the handle.
And my K7s have started to lose random paint chips ( a la ultra tour), also around the grommets.

Grommets are (too) soft and are damaged very easily.
Hmm...doesn’t sound too good.
 

Jouke

Semi-Pro
Hmm...doesn’t sound too good.
Well I always like to be honest about things. Angells get a lot of praise here, and for good reason. They are great rackets, and paul is a very knowledgeable guy. He makes great sticks. For me the K7 lime might even be the best 18x20 out there, and I have tried them all.
I have bought and tried almost every Angell there is. TC90,95,97,100,k7red, k7lime. In the end I have sold them all except my K7 Lime. I really love that thing and it works for me.
But sometimes I get the impression that people feel the need to justify what they have paid for. I have spent thousands of euros on angells. And I dont regret it! They are great products! I just wanted to make clear that, like every other product, angells also have their flaws.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Well I always like to be honest about things. Angells get a lot of praise here, and for good reason. They are great rackets, and paul is a very knowledgeable guy. He makes great sticks. For me the K7 lime might even be the best 18x20 out there, and I have tried them all.
I have bought and tried almost every Angell there is. TC90,95,97,100,k7red, k7lime. In the end I have sold them all except my K7 Lime. I really love that thing and it works for me.
But sometimes I get the impression that people feel the need to justify what they have paid for. I have spent thousands of euros on angells. And I dont regret it! They are great products! I just wanted to make clear that, like every other product, angells also have their flaws.
I think I might have 50-60% of all of my posts on TT in this forum and have extensively played with half of Angells custom line but ended up with another brand. As good as Angells are, they’re not some magic remedies or universal cures and, as you stated, every product has its flaws. Hopefully, this feedback gets where it should go and will be taken into account.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
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Well I always like to be honest about things. Angells get a lot of praise here, and for good reason. They are great rackets, and paul is a very knowledgeable guy. He makes great sticks. For me the K7 lime might even be the best 18x20 out there, and I have tried them all.
I have bought and tried almost every Angell there is. TC90,95,97,100,k7red, k7lime. In the end I have sold them all except my K7 Lime. I really love that thing and it works for me.
But sometimes I get the impression that people feel the need to justify what they have paid for. I have spent thousands of euros on angells. And I dont regret it! They are great products! I just wanted to make clear that, like every other product, angells also have their flaws.
It’s a bit unrealistic to think others want to justify their purchase as if anyone person has a hold on an absolute reality. We all describe our experiences. I have owned every frame in the Angell lineup other then 90 and 105. I have always portrayed my personal experience and of course when I disagreed with anyone else it was based on that personal experience. I do not own an Angells right now as I am playing with more controlled string beds. Truly one area i found amazingly bullet proof were PJs that showed amazing resilience compared to anything else I’ve played. Again, that was my experience
 

teocem

Rookie
310/320mm was too powerful for me. Slightly not enough manoeuvrable for doubles, net game. 310/315mm I think is optimal. 300g vs 310g will have typical advantages - more stable, heavier shot, etc.
Give 310 grams, 7 HL (320) another chance ;)
 

Caol-ila

New User
is angell really worth it? i see so many of them up for sale on stringforum everyday.
I think it mostly depends on the difficulty to try an Angell before buying it. After reading about Angells I bought a used TC100, I liked it, then a used TC95, I liked it better, then a new K7red and a new TC97 18x20. I ended disliking the last one, so I sold it. Now I think I am going to sell also the TC100, it stays at home getting sad for not being used.
You see, there is a lot of movement, even if people love such racquets.

As for the pj, each of my sticks has some scratches, because I play on play-it. I cannot believe that hitting that surface does not leave some sign on the pj, it is too hard. I think that even if it were metal, some sign would appear. Anyway I was surprised to read about chips on the throat. It cannot depend on the court surface.
 

OlgaOM

New User
I think it mostly depends on the difficulty to try an Angell before buying it. After reading about Angells I bought a used TC100, I liked it, then a used TC95, I liked it better, then a new K7red and a new TC97 18x20. I ended disliking the last one, so I sold it. Now I think I am going to sell also the TC100, it stays at home getting sad for not being used.
You see, there is a lot of movement, even if people love such racquets.

As for the pj, each of my sticks has some scratches, because I play on play-it. I cannot believe that hitting that surface does not leave some sign on the pj, it is too hard. I think that even if it were metal, some sign would appear. Anyway I was surprised to read about chips on the throat. It cannot depend on the court surface.
I own, 4 Angells and the very first one (V3) chipped during the first week of use, it chipped in the throat and it happened right after the stringing job was done... Other than that this and the rest Angell’s racquets are holding very well...
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I have several Angell racquets (2 TC97s; 4 TC95s; and I had a K7 Red which I sold)... None of them have had issues with the paint. I have bought them new and used, but I don't have any V3s... which is where the paint problems complaints started, for the most part.

I don't play on hard courts much. If I did, there would be more scrapes... but I think that can be expected as @Caol-ila has pointed out.

I do agree that on the whole racquets these days are not as high quality in many departments compared to the past.
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
I have bought 8 sticks, all new ones. Two V2s were more vulnerable - there were small chipping marks.
No complains regarding V3 paint at all.
 

ed70

Semi-Pro
I think about 3 years ago there werent many very good options. With stiff and arm wrecking frames being standard. Also a lot of frames are out of spec. And Angell provides excellent frames and a matching service so you get matched frames.

Nowadays there are a lot of good options and stores providing matching services. I personally sold all my angells, but kept my K7 Lime, which is one of the best rackets out there.
Pretty much spot on reply to the question.
Seems to me some are moved on far too quickly, takes a while to get right string choice, tension then a couple months dialling in. I use TC97, have sold Tc100, TC95 & K7...I’ve also sold a few of my TC97’s as I didn’t really need 5 matched frames lol.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I have several Angell racquets (2 TC97s; 4 TC95s; and I had a K7 Red which I sold)... None of them have had issues with the paint. I have bought them new and used, but I don't have any V3s... which is where the paint problems complaints started, for the most part.

I don't play on hard courts much. If I did, there would be more scrapes... but I think that can be expected as @Caol-ila has pointed out.

I do agree that on the whole racquets these days are not as high quality in many departments compared to the past.
I don’t know. One of my favourite brands and frames - Fischer VT98Pro and Vacuum Pro Mid - has very brittle PJ. It chips if you look at it too harsh. That’s mid to late 90s and ceramic layup.

I treat my frames like the ladies they are so I’m maybe not the one to judge but if I can cope with those Fischers, I sure can “abuse” Angells with little to no damage at all...
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I don’t know. One of my favourite brands and frames - Fischer VT98Pro and Vacuum Pro Mid - has very brittle PJ. It chips if you look at it too harsh. That’s mid to late 90s and ceramic layup.

I treat my frames like the ladies they are so I’m maybe not the one to judge but if I can cope with those Fischers, I sure can “abuse” Angells with little to no damage at all...
@joohan my friend, nothing is absolute... Having said that, my Fischer VT Pro 95 (which I bought used) and have played with against hard-hitting opponents, still doesn't have a scratch on it. Likewise for my Fischer M Comp 95. My VT 98 Pro (330g) I have kept in a racquet cover and racquet bag (but I bought it used) so I can't comment as I have not hit with it yet, but it doesn't have a scratch on it so far. Most of my used Head Radical Tour 630s, PT630s, LM Radical MP, Microgel Prestige Pro, iPrestige MP, etc still look like they are almost new, all things considered.

I think it's definitely a personal thing and depends on the surface you play most of the time, as well as, how you treat your racquets. There are definitely exceptions and examples of bad craftsmanship all over the place and throughout all the eras and decades.
 
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Rysty

Rookie
Hmm. I have 4 v2s and 4 V3s (from this summer -not the first batches), and no scratching or chipping. One of my V2s hit the ball hopper, and it only got a small dent. If your Angells "chip" easily, I suspect there is something wrong in their paint.
 
is angell really worth it? i see so many of them up for sale on stringforum everyday.
It depends on how you relate to the racket. For example Angell (btw like any other racket) cannot raise your NTRP level from 4 to 5 just after buying it. But IMHO Angell gives you a very good opportunity to buy a high quality racket with a lot of options for a reasonable price if you understand what you need in a racket to fit your game
 

tpro2000

Rookie
It depends on how you relate to the racket. For example Angell (btw like any other racket) cannot raise your NTRP level from 4 to 5 just after buying it. But IMHO Angell gives you a very good opportunity to buy a high quality racket with a lot of options for a reasonable price if you understand what you need in a racket to fit your game
I'll second this. I knew what I wanted down to the spec, and out of the box (luckily because I bought mine a little used) all 4 I got from the same person were all the same - the QC had it dead on. Unlike other companies where things could be 14g different, IMO that's worth it for an OCD tinkerer like me.
 

ChrisG

New User
I think no racquet is perfect per se. It’s the matching with the player that makes it good or bad (imagine Rafa playing with Roger PS haha) So Angells are no magic frames, but I do believe they provide what they advertise with the best accuracy/honesty in the market. I’ve played 3 days in a row against better opponents, and this morning I have complaints from everywhere except my shoulder, that’s why for me Angells are the best racquets
 

Kurt0707

New User
Well I always like to be honest about things. Angells get a lot of praise here, and for good reason. They are great rackets, and paul is a very knowledgeable guy. He makes great sticks. For me the K7 lime might even be the best 18x20 out there, and I have tried them all.
I have bought and tried almost every Angell there is. TC90,95,97,100,k7red, k7lime. In the end I have sold them all except my K7 Lime. I really love that thing and it works for me.
But sometimes I get the impression that people feel the need to justify what they have paid for. I have spent thousands of euros on angells. And I dont regret it! They are great products! I just wanted to make clear that, like every other product, angells also have their flaws.
I am with you on the Lime, I have not only tried many Angells (TC95s, TC97, TC100) but also other brands especially in 18x20 pattern but also 16x19, with different specs. It also works well for me and I keep on coming back to it, but its a very personal thing as people have different preferences, styles, strengths, weaknesses etc.. Also flaws are probably personal too.

If I didn't use K7 Lime than probably I would still be happy with my Wilson Blade 2015 18x20 or probably one of the newer Wilsons/Head/Yonexes. As tennis players we should be so lucky that there are so many different options out there, but yes it takes some budget to test or use many rackets... And yes no racket is perfect, and Lime surely does not serve as well as some of the Yonexes for example, but many attributes fit my game and provides me the best combination of comfort and playability (for my game).

I am actually curious about how others customize their Lime, I have tried lead on 12 as well as 10&2, and really enjoy it at 340-345gr weight and 330-335SW (OHBH player)... not many Lime users out there but do drop me note directly if you prefer, thank you.
 

Carreau

Semi-Pro
Hmm. I have 4 v2s and 4 V3s (from this summer -not the first batches), and no scratching or chipping. One of my V2s hit the ball hopper, and it only got a small dent. If your Angells "chip" easily, I suspect there is something wrong in their paint.
I think we are digging to deep in this chipping case. Angell is quite small manufacturer. And there might be small deviations in the production. Some of the production might be even outsourced. There were cases with slightly different batches, handle sizes, etc. - it clearly shows that QA cannot be bullet proof in all cases. However, I see that these bad quality cases are quite rare, quality in general is very very good (except the weakness/flaw that was mentioned earlier - soft grommets). Another thing - they do have excellent customer communication and I believe all these quality control questions can be solved directly with them. :)
 

ChrisG

New User
Speaking about handle sizes, can someone with a TC 95 (or else) V2 with size 4 pallets grip + OG measure the handle circumference ?
I have a Size 3 handle and find it too small so I have 2 OG over the grip. It works well but I was thinking about switching to size 4 pallets. I only fear it might get too big, that's why I'm asking for help !!

thanks !!
 

tpro2000

Rookie
Speaking about handle sizes, can someone with a TC 95 (or else) V2 with size 4 pallets grip + OG measure the handle circumference ?
I have a Size 3 handle and find it too small so I have 2 OG over the grip. It works well but I was thinking about switching to size 4 pallets. I only fear it might get too big, that's why I'm asking for help !!

thanks !!
Funny you say this. I got a 4 3/8 grip, knew I was going to add weight to the handle, but I used thin electrical tape to build the grip. Tried one wrapping from the base of the butt cap to just above where my hand sits, then two, until I liked how it felt. 4 1/2 is too big for me , but 4 3/8 is too small (with an overgrip as well).

It was a little trial an error but happy with the results. If you don't like the extra weight then it's a tough call
 
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