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[BounceHitBounceHit]

How would you compare the TC97 16x19, TC97 18x20, and TC95 16x19? I’ve been a racquet nomad since switching from my K90’s.


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TC97 18x20 felt dead to me. No love. I WANTED to like it because of all the PT57A comparisons but no go. [emoji849]

TC95: Terrific frame but high launch angle plus lots of inherent power spelled loss of control in real playing situations. Absolutely love hitting with it though. Such great feel.




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[One Handed Dynasty]

TC97 18x20 felt dead to me. No love. I WANTED to like it because of all the PT57A comparisons but no go. [emoji849]

TC95: Terrific frame but high launch angle plus lots of inherent power spelled loss of control in real playing situations. Absolutely love hitting with it though. Such great feel.




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Awesome thanks for that! Yeah I saw all of the PT57A comparisons too, I was wondering if they were accurate. I’ve found that all of my Angells needed some lead at 9-10 and 2-3 to really shine but I only have the TC90 and TC95 16x19 63RA.

That’s exactly how I found the TC95 too. I actually like the 27.5 inch version better because the extra power makes it an all out attacking racquet: almost every point is being played and ending on your terms, your opponent doesn’t get to play their game. I had to substitute 4g soft in for ALU power rough in my gut/poly hybrid to tame the power and launch angle, but I still wasn’t able to get the feel and control dialed in like I wanted.

I had the guys at Unstrung Customs make me up a few custom RF97 handles and weight distribution and have been using those for last few weeks. It would be the perfect racquet for me if the RA was just a few points lower. I’m gonna ask Paul if he thinks I could get the TC97 16x19 to have the same specs and plow through as the RF just with the much better Angell feel and lower RA.


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[edelp]

Hi,
I actually think that the tc97 18x20 is similar to the 57a, but it is a question of taste and impressions maybe. Not identical feel but similar, like between 57a and a H22. Dead I would not call them, interesting that you feel it that way.
For sure, an awesome frame for the ones that can use it as go-to frame. I keep one for some hitting or for some "sets", but I am still with the wonderful TC100 RA63 as go-to. Awesome Angell frames.

Am fighting hard to resist buying a TC97 open pattern or a TC95 16x19, do not need them but what does that mean ...

 

[One Handed Dynasty]

Hi,
I actually think that the tc97 18x20 is similar to the 57a, but it is a question of taste and impressions maybe. Not identical feel but similar, like between 57a and a H22. Dead I would not call them, interesting that you feel it that way.
For sure, an awesome frame for the ones that can use it as go-to frame. I keep one for some hitting or for some "sets", but I am still with the wonderful TC100 RA63 as go-to. Awesome Angell frames.

Am fighting hard to resist buying a TC97 open pattern or a TC95 16x19, do not need them but what does that mean ...

What’s the launch angle like? My strokes are pretty vertical with some modern shoulder rotation elements to put enough spin on the ball to bring it down. The only 18x20’s I’ve used are the prestige classic and original 6.1 95, and that was almost 20 years ago. I’m unreasonably scared I’ll have to change my strokes to get the same combo of pace and spin haha.


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[edelp]

What’s the launch angle like? My strokes are pretty vertical with some modern shoulder rotation elements to put enough spin on the ball to bring it down. The only 18x20’s I’ve used are the prestige classic and original 6.1 95, and that was almost 20 years ago. I’m unreasonably scared I’ll have to change my strokes to get the same combo of pace and spin haha.


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what are playing with now? what should I compare it to?
In general the TC97 18x20 has not a high launch angle? But higher than a prestige classic, spin is fine. Superb for flat hitting

 

[One Handed Dynasty]

what are playing with now? what should I compare it to?
In general the TC97 18x20 has not a high launch angle? But higher than a prestige classic, spin is fine. Superb for flat hitting

I’m using an RF97 now


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[edelp]

the TC97 18x20 has a lower trajectory.
And if interesting for you, I think has less power than the RF97, but is more comfortable!

 

[BounceHitBounceHit]

Awesome thanks for that! Yeah I saw all of the PT57A comparisons too, I was wondering if they were accurate. I’ve found that all of my Angells needed some lead at 9-10 and 2-3 to really shine but I only have the TC90 and TC95 16x19 63RA.

That’s exactly how I found the TC95 too. I actually like the 27.5 inch version better because the extra power makes it an all out attacking racquet: almost every point is being played and ending on your terms, your opponent doesn’t get to play their game. I had to substitute 4g soft in for ALU power rough in my gut/poly hybrid to tame the power and launch angle, but I still wasn’t able to get the feel and control dialed in like I wanted.

I had the guys at Unstrung Customs make me up a few custom RF97 handles and weight distribution and have been using those for last few weeks. It would be the perfect racquet for me if the RA was just a few points lower. I’m gonna ask Paul if he thinks I could get the TC97 16x19 to have the same specs and plow through as the RF just with the much better Angell feel and lower RA.


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Never really gelled with the RF97 fully. I think a TC97 16x19 offers all its virtues with better flex and feel. [emoji2]Plus Wilson won’t screw it up next year and all your frames will have identical specs!


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[aehjmeyer]

I also own a TC95 and an ASL2 but do not use them much as I find the K7s to have ample power and far more comfort.

Over the past 3 years I have owned every Angell frame in the custom and prebuilt range in every string configuration with the exception of the TC105.

On the point of the silicone in the K7s, it is injected into the handle via the trapdoor in the buttcap.

i recently tried the VCORE Pro HD. It is a very nice racket and has more power than the K7 Lime. However, despite the RA of 59 on the VCORE Pro being much lower than the K7 Lime, the K7 plays with more comfort and flex!

Served with HD yesterday and it was wonderful. Literally the first 18x20 racket I've hit with, but fortunately the drop off in spin/power was not as drastic as I was anticipating. Kickers were still very lively and I could hit my targets well. Very plush, comfortable and maneuverable as well.
I have some drills tonight. Curious as to how it fares in live ball situations. I can tell already that it will help with my lazy footwork, since I'm sure arriving late will result in some short balls.

If K7 Lime is as good as the HD, then I will have to get my hands on one for sure.

 

[Caol-ila]

TC97 18x20 felt dead to me. No love. I WANTED to like it because of all the PT57A comparisons but no go. [emoji849]

TC95: Terrific frame but high launch angle plus lots of inherent power spelled loss of control in real playing situations. Absolutely love hitting with it though. Such great feel.

I could have written that myself!
I keep changing racquets, just for the fun of trying them and maybe hope to play better, but I keep going back to my beloved and now pretty used TC95 63 RA.
At present I am starting my tennis hours with my K7 red, just to warm up without risk of elbow pains, and after 15 minutes I take my TC95 and do not leave it untill the endgame.

 

[Caol-ila]

K7 Red completely different feel, it’s easy to play with, but I cannot play aggressive game with it, and for some weird reason it bugs my elbow more than TC series.

Could it be for its lower power level, that makes you push more in order to get the same pace as with the TC racquets? After a while your elbow might feel tired.

 

[tennis347]

The K7 Red is probably one of the most flexible racquets made today. It plays much softer than the RA of 64. However, in stock form its not stable enough to handle heavy hitting. I have added 3 grams at 3 and 9 as well as 2 grams on the butt of the handle to maintain a reasonable HL balance. I never had any arm discomfort with this frame.

It could be the string being used. I only play with synthetic strings with a tension in the middle of the range and a bit lower in cooler weather. It's a really a great frame that I would classify between a player and tweener. It can be used for players above 4.5 if a decent amount of weight is added. There is ample room for customization IMO as the stock weight is only around 323 grams strung.

 

[tennis347]

I am curious how the ALS2 compares to the K7 Red in terms of power, spin, control, comfort and stability? They look similar except for the cosmetics and the beam width. What are the big differences?

 

[aehjmeyer]

I'm loving my ASL2 with S7T 1.30mm but have never tried K7 Red. Same excellent comfort as TC series (I've played V3 TC95, TC100) with a bit more free power relative to TC95.

I just finished customizing ASL2 to the strung VCP 97HD specs (340g/319mm/325 SW) since I loved how that felt but prefer a 16x19 stringbed. Based on all the glowing K7 series review, I will probably pick up a K7 Red at some point anyway. I wish I had taken advantage of Black Friday discount a few weeks ago...

 

[topspn]

I am curious how the ALS2 compares to the K7 Red in terms of power, spin, control, comfort and stability? They look similar except for the cosmetics and the beam width. What are the big differences?

Power: ASL2 hands down
Spin: Both generate excellent spin
Control: K7
Comfort: Both are comfortable, K7 certainly has more pronounced flex and cushy deep pocketing feel.
Stability: Both need weight at 3/9 or 2/10 for lateral stability and plow.

 

[tennis347]

Power: ASL2 hands down
Spin: Both generate excellent spin
Control: K7
Comfort: Both are comfortable, K7 certainly has more pronounced flex and cushy deep pocketing feel.
Stability: Both need weight at 3/9 or 2/10 for lateral stability and plow.

Thanks for the feedback. In looking at the specs, I didn't think there would be a big difference. I have the K7 Red and agree that weight was needed to make it more stable.

I see that only real difference is in power with the ASL2. I have enough racquets for now, lol.

 

[topspn]

Thanks for the feedback. In looking at the specs, I didn't think there would be a big difference. I have the K7 Red and agree that weight was needed to make it more stable.

I see that only real difference is in power with the ASL2. I have enough racquets for now, lol.

They also feel quite different. The K7 has more of a classic flexy deep pocketing feel and ASL2 has a more immediate springy feel

 

[dnlcarvalho]

Have any ASL2 users found a go-to/favorite string yet?

I started with Black Knight 1.28 and like it, but still find the set up a bit too powerful on forehand side. Curious what others are using...

I have Max Power 1.25 or 16g Silver 7 Tour that I think would tame it a bit. Other considerations in my bag off the top of my head include: Ytex Hexagon-X (black/1.28), Ice Code (16 and 17g), Yonex Poly Tour Spin and Spin G, RS Lyon 17.

Have you tried the Max Power on it?
Just sent it for srtringing, Max Power 1.20mm mains and MSV Focus Hex 1.10mm crosses.
Also looking forward that this setup will render better control than the full MSV Focus Hex 1.23mm that I was using, without loosing much spin due to the thinner gauges of Max Power and Focus Hex.
Since they are stiff polys, I believe thinner gauges won't be a problem.

 

[aehjmeyer]

Have you tried the Max Power on it?
Just sent it for srtringing, Max Power 1.20mm mains and MSV Focus Hex 1.10mm crosses.
Also looking forward that this setup will render better control than the full MSV Focus Hex 1.23mm that I was using, without loosing much spin due to the thinner gauges of Max Power and Focus Hex.
Since they are stiff polys, I believe thinner gauges won't be a problem.

I have not tried Max Power but have it and MP Rough in my bag right now. S7T 16g is working really well right now—still comfortable with great spin and control.

I loved MPR 17g in my 2nd gen pure strike so I’ll definitely try it at some point. I also have some Ice Code and Ytex Hexagon-X I’m curious to try.

 

[dnlcarvalho]

I have not tried Max Power but have it and MP Rough in my bag right now. S7T 16g is working really well right now—still comfortable with great spin and control.

I loved MPR 17g in my 2nd gen pure strike so I’ll definitely try it at some point. I also have some Ice Code and Ytex Hexagon-X I’m curious to try.

Did you find any similarities between ASL2 and Pure Strike? What are the main as advantages of one over the other and by what margin?


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[aehjmeyer]

Did you find any similarities between ASL2 and Pure Strike? What are the main as advantages of one over the other and by what margin?


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More different than alike. ASL2 way (like infinitely) more comfortable with better feel, slightly more control. PS was great just killed my arm and would’ve required a switch away from the polys I like.

ASL2 does require weight in hoop. My latest customization is 2.5g at 12 and 5g in buttcap with 2g at 7”. This setup approximates the specs of a strung VCore Pro 97HD, which felt great to swing but I just didn’t like the 18x20.

 

[dnlcarvalho]

More different than alike. ASL2 way (like infinitely) more comfortable with better feel, slightly more control. PS was great just killed my arm and would’ve required a switch away from the polys I like.

ASL2 does require weight in hoop. My latest customization is 2.5g at 12 and 5g in buttcap with 2g at 7”. This setup approximates the specs of a strung VCore Pro 97HD, which felt great to swing but I just didn’t like the 18x20.

Did you add leather grip?
What is the current final weight?

 

[aehjmeyer]

Did you add leather grip?
What is the current final weight?

Just OG. Final specs: 340g, 319mm, SW~325

 

[Shaolin]

TC 97 V3 Review

Specs are 18x20, 310g (11oz), 9pt HL (unstrung). String is Oehms Black Pearl – not sure of tension but likely in the low 40s

Warning long post. I apologize up front for grammar, I’m excited but also in a bit of a time crunch so didn’t proof read.

Short version: All court baseliner just purchased a gently used TC97 V3 18x20, put lead at 3 and 9 and thinks that if you too are on the fence about getting an Angell (any Angell) you should get off immediately and buy what you’ve had an eye on, you won’t regret it.

Long version:
Found this thread about 6 months ago, read it cover to cover and originally wanted a TC95 16x19. When haqq777 put his TC97 18x20 up with the exact specs I would have wanted anyway I pulled the trigger so I could finally join the conversation.

Playing history / racket history: Been playing for almost 20 years. Played D1 college tennis (not well), taught for 3 years after school, then played competitive recreational tennis ever since. Normal day I’m a 4.5, good day I’m a 5.0. Always had a strong serve, always had lazy footwork. Groundstrokes are better than my approach/net game but I am slowly become respectable at net. The delusional in me likes to think I have Sampras’ serve with Agassi’s game plan of high percentage cross-court forehands and backhands.

If someone wants me to I can go into my racket history which is a journey in and of itself. I am coming directly from playing with the LM Prestige Mid, 1st gen Pure Strike, and BLX 6.1 95 16x18. Yes, I fell into a non-satisfied hole where I started to rotate between all three depending on mood. Played my best with the pure strike. All are strung with 17g MSV Focus Hex. Found that string about 6 months ago and really like how it plays right off the machine, needs almost no break-in time to feel comfortable and gives very good spin/power for the cost.

So, all that out of the way let me start by saying I played 3 sets with a friend that I’ve played with on a regular basis since June of this year. He’s played against me with me using the above rackets. And today I played our first set with the 97 as-is. Then for the second and third sets I added 3in of lead tape to 3 and 9. If you are good at net and serve and volley at least 2 points a game (or play mostly doubles) I would leave the 97 stock. However, if you’re like me and play at the baseline first I would definitely add lead tape.

Groundstrokes: both sides felt great. Some rackets my backhand never feels right due to swingweight or balance. The 97 felt good stock, and great once I put lead on. The unstrung balance was 9HL, strung stock probably 6HL, with lead probably down to 4HL. The lead turned the racket from a nice baseball bat into a nasty sledgehammer. I’ve never felt this comfortable with a brand new racket this fast. My groundstrokes had a nice consistent trajectory with as much spin as I applied. The TC97 won't give you free 'auto-spin' but if your intent is topspin you will hit with plenty of topspin. If I had good footwork and good preparation I could take huge cuts at the ball with few worries. A lot of my errors came from not being used to the lower 18x20 trajectory off the stringbed so it is going to be real fun dialing this in even further over the next few months.

Slice: it’s 18x20 so slice is almost too good. For me, it’ll take some adjustment to slice deep with pace. Most of my intentional slices were landing a little shorter than I wanted, but on the plus side they stayed low and had wicked spin.

Volleys: Didn’t volley much in our match. During warmups they felt good, I had no doubt the racket will perform once I come to net more.

Returns: My friend serves well and really works wide serves on both sides. When stretched the 97 doesn’t give you much for free so a few points were lost in that sense. On the other hand if the serve wasn’t bordering on unreturnable and I could put a solid square racket face on the ball I could put some punishment on my returns. No issues going crosscourt or down the line on returns I could play.

First Serves: My god the serves. It’s been said by almost everyone on this board, but until you get to do it yourself the words will never do enough justice. They were good without the lead tape, once the second set started and I had the racket weighted up and re-balanced it was like I was serving with a .357 magnum or a .50 desert eagle. Serves were very comfortable, and the TC97 hit everything well, if my toss was good and contact point high that ball was on a frozen rope. My partner and I have played with playsight recently and with my other rackets I was averaging around 105mph with my biggest first serves getting to 110/111mph. I was realistically another 5mph faster on first and second serves.

Second Serves: deserve their own paragraph. Even with the racket being 18x20 my second serves had plenty of action. Slice out wide and into the body, kick out wide and into the body, everything had good action and I immediately trusted the feel of the racket when going for my second serves.

Summary: Can’t say enough good things about the racket. The TC97 will meet you half way. If you put in the work to move your feet and prepare early it will reward you with a powerfully consistent ball. I am really looking forward to settling in with the racket.

I am @emhtennis friend that he hits with in this review. I can verify that he definitely hits a wicked ball with the Angell. Not that his serve wasn't great before but now it is much heavier. 2nd serves have massive spin and hard to deal with.

If I didn't have to use Head frames I would look into getting an Angell or two myself.

 

[rider4ever]

I bought 2 K7 limes from the For sale section from different sellers and both were about 12 gms different in weight. I opened the butt cap in both the frames and found the heavier one have silicone in the handle and the lighter one with no silicone. Does the K7 lime come without silicone in the handle at all? Does this give info on the version of the K7 lime ? (if there are any) I am trying to match these 2 frames. Wondering if I can match the racquets using tungsten putty in the handle or should I just use silicone to fill the handle and match the weight? Is there any preference on what type of silicone to use?

Sorry if this has been discussed earlier. Tried using the search function and couldn't find direct answers after looking through this thread a bit.

 

[nohandedbackhand]

I bought 2 K7 limes from the For sale section from different sellers and both were about 12 gms different in weight. I opened the butt cap in both the frames and found the heavier one have silicone in the handle and the lighter one with no silicone. Does the K7 lime come without silicone in the handle at all? Does this give info on the version of the K7 lime ? (if there are any) I am trying to match these 2 frames. Wondering if I can match the racquets using tungsten putty in the handle or should I just use silicone to fill the handle and match the weight? Is there any preference on what type of silicone to use?

Sorry if this has been discussed earlier. Tried using the search function and couldn't find direct answers after looking through this thread a bit.

Knowing Paul and Angell racquets I would be very surprised if they both came like that stock. Were the grips the same? Any lead under them? Also that silicone could have been added by the seller.

 

[ChrisG]

I don’t think Angell racquets are silicone filled, only foam in the custom series. I would think the original one would be the one without silicone.
Check Angell sports website to compare specs. K7 lime is 315g unstrung if I remember, so it should be around 335-340g with OG and dampener

 

[rider4ever]

Knowing Paul and Angell racquets I would be very surprised if they both came like that stock. Were the grips the same? Any lead under them? Also that silicone could have been added by the seller.

I bought the racquets from 2 different sellers here. So its possible that one of the sellers added silicone. I thought all K7 limes come with silicone in the handle. So was surprised to see one not have silicone in it. I went ahead and added some silicone to match the weight of the racquets and tried to balance them close to each other. Now the two racquets are with 3mm balance which shouldn't be noticeable.

 

[nohandedbackhand]

Out of curiosity from this I just opened up my k7 lime (purchased directly from Angell) and both chambers have some type of either silicone or actually seems like a type of epoxy in the end (clearer and not odorous like typical silicone caulking). Maybe the one seller removed theirs? I suppose anything is possible but I’ve personally experienced nothing but amazing quality control on all my Angells (I’ve owned multiple of almost every model they’ve ever put out except for the asl series)

 

[rider4ever]

Out of curiosity from this I just opened up my k7 lime (purchased directly from Angell) and both chambers have some type of either silicone or actually seems like a type of epoxy in the end (clearer and not odorous like typical silicone caulking). Maybe the one seller removed theirs? I suppose anything is possible but I’ve personally experienced nothing but amazing quality control on all my Angells (I’ve owned multiple of almost every model they’ve ever put out except for the asl series)

exactly what I found on one of the limes. Clear non odorous silicone. May the original buyer requested no silicone in the handle when he purchased from angell. I didn’t see any trace of silicone in the handle , so either the previous owner did a very good job removing the silicone or it was never there

 

[aehjmeyer]

A few more outings have proven ASL2/S7T 16g combo to be a beautiful pairing. Power when needed, great control/spin/feel. Didn’t think about my setup once the entire time I played, which is rare for me. I have a bunch of other strings to try but I like the current setup so much I’ll definitely buy a reel of S7T 16g.

 

[BBender716]

Anyone here have a good gut/poly tension recommendation for the K7 Lime? Trying to decide whether to go with that or Hyper G/Lyon hybrid at 46/44.

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[rider4ever]

Will the Head Zepp sensor fit with the custom frames if I get the Head shaped grip ? Basically I wanna know if the butt cap also follows the same shape/size of the head racquets?

 

[DrTompu]

Anyone here have a good gut/poly tension recommendation for the K7 Lime? Trying to decide whether to go with that or Hyper G/Lyon hybrid at 46/44.

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I'm current playing with Dyreex Super Tour 1.30 at 25 kp with my K7 red, and I'm I feel very comfortable as that combo results.

Will the Head Zepp sensor fit with the custom frames if I get the Head shaped grip ? Basically I wanna know if the butt cap also follows the same shape/size of the head racquets?

Certainly, if you could try and share your experience it would be amazing. I've got first version of zepp, but it anchorage isn't so convinient as possible.

 

[itsstephenyo]

I've been looking at getting new sticks recently and wanted to try some 18x20 sticks. Currently I'm using a pair of old Vantage 95 16x19s that I've weighted up to around 350g. Before that, I was using an old Pro Kennex Copper Ace, with the 90in head and the suuuper flexy frame, which I honestly loved cuz it forced me to have good footwork and stroke mechanics. After years of using the Vantage 95, I noticed I'm just lazy now when it comes to hitting and that my swingspeed is actually down quite a bit from when I used to use the Copper Aces.

I don't want to go back to a 90in head, but I was thinking about trying some TC 95/97s, but I keep reading about how they flex differently. As someone who used to use the super flexy Copper Ace and loved it, which one of those should I go for?

 

[emhtennis]

Itsstephenyo, I've actually got both a Copper Ace and a TC97 V3 18x20 in my bag. I enjoy both, if you want more free power in the frame I would go with the 95, if you want a more classic flex feel go with the 97. But you wont be disappointed in either choice.

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[itsstephenyo]

Itsstephenyo, I've actually got both a Copper Ace and a TC97 V3 18x20 in my bag. I enjoy both, if you want more free power in the frame I would go with the 95, if you want a more classic flex feel go with the 97. But you wont be disappointed in either choice.

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That's exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks a lot!

 

[emhtennis]

No problem, I actually bought the copper ace for $10 about 3 months ago! It's a fun doubles stick for sure.

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[rider4ever]

I'm current playing with Dyreex Super Tour 1.30 at 25 kp with my K7 red, and I'm I feel very comfortable as that combo results.



Certainly, if you could try and share your experience it would be amazing. I've got first version of zepp, but it anchorage isn't so convinient as possible.

I already have 2 limes , 1 TC95 16x19, 1 TC95 18x20 and a TC97 18x20, all of them bought here on the forum with the Wilson handle shape. I will keep my eye out for one with the head handle shape. I also tried the first version of Zepp but was too inconvenient. The Head sensor works great and you don't even know its there.

 

[Dallasatl]

I already have 2 limes , 1 TC95 16x19, 1 TC95 18x20 and a TC97 18x20, all of them bought here on the forum with the Wilson handle shape. I will keep my eye out for one with the head handle shape. I also tried the first version of Zepp but was too inconvenient. The Head sensor works great and you don't even know its there.

Do you feel like the TC95 18x20 is as much of a beast as the 16x19 only with a lower launch angle??


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[itsstephenyo]

I already have 2 limes , 1 TC95 16x19, 1 TC95 18x20 and a TC97 18x20, all of them bought here on the forum with the Wilson handle shape. I will keep my eye out for one with the head handle shape. I also tried the first version of Zepp but was too inconvenient. The Head sensor works great and you don't even know its there.

Can you compare the 2 18x20s?

 

[Classic-TXP-IG MID]

Do you feel like the TC95 18x20 is as much of a beast as the 16x19 only with a lower launch angle??


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I know you didn't ask me, however, I thought I'll add my thoughts as well and you can consider several viewpoints.

I think the answer to this question will depend on several factors: your style of play; your choice of string gauge; and the kinds of shots you usually execute being amongst them.

My simple answer is YES. In fact, for me, maybe the 18x20 is even more of a beast.

Now, the answer will depend on those factors I mentioned. I can play with both the 16x19 and the 18x20 TC95 63RA. I just find that with the 16x19 I sometimes need to focus more as I can easily overhit by making the shots too loopy or make my BH slice too floaty and a sitter. When I'm focused and my racquet-head speed is up and I'm swinging through the ball, there is no problem. But, it does require that additional focus, and if my RHS drops and the balls just come off the racquet with the higher launch angle and less work on them, my opponent will either be able to take control of the point and dictate more easily by stepping in and taking the balls on the rise (as they don't have enough work on them due to lower RHS), or because the balls are more floaty they will sit up or be less precise.

I am going to start experimenting with thicker gauge strings in order to reduce the launch angle and provide more control. This is not a problem, it will just require patience and time to find the right combo. But it means that I have not just picked up the racquet and found I have no issues to solve. Again, this is not a bad thing, nor a knock (necessarily) on the racquet, but speaks to the factors I mentioned before.

When it comes to tennis I have played more with classic racquets like the PT630, Head Prestiges (both Mid and MP), Radical Tour 630s, Volkl C10 Pros, PB10s (both Mid and MP). I don't find that 18x20 racquets lack any spin, I am able to hit any shot if my preparation is correct and my footwork is on-point. I can play with 18x20s, 16x19s, 16x20s, and 16x18s. Most of the racquets that I have tried in these string patterns have had tighter spacing than the TC95 16x19 (and the TC97 16x19 for that matter). For that reason, I have been able to maintain the control aspect of the game more easily.

On my BH side, when I am in trouble or even when I just want to change the pace a bit, I rely on my slice shot. I find that the open 16x19 pattern of the TC95 makes this a more challenging shot (or at least one I have to be much more focused on). If I am off even a bit, the ball will float and make me more of a sitting duck.

When I am using the TC95 63RA 18x20, none of these issues arise for me. I have no problem with the spin (I can produce any shot and dial the spin up or down like a volume knob), the precision is off the charts, and my BH slice is not just a defensive shot but a major weapon with which I can produce finesse, as well as, a brutal and penetrating shot that is like a tenderizing body-blow constantly weakening my opponent. With the TC95 18x20, the first string I chose (MSV Co-Focus 1.18mm) was excellent, and I am looking forward to trying others with the knowledge that I am not trying to fix a problem but looking to strengthen an already powerful weapon.

I may get there with the 16x19 TC95, in fact, I'm sure I will but it will take more time and effort than with the 18x20 version, at least for me.

Sorry about the lengthy answer, but as I said, it will depend on the style of play you enjoy, the shots you usually like to hit and the string you use.

 

[Classic-TXP-IG MID]

Can you compare the 2 18x20s?

After my previous lengthy response to another poster, I'll try to be very brief.

The two racquets flex differently and have different RAs, so it will come to that. They are both brilliant, it just comes down to preference.

The TC95 63RA 18x20 is the winner for me. I like the way it flexes better (from the throat onwards in a uniform fashion), and I like it's comfort levels better. Both have excellent precision, with both I can hit all my shots, but the TC95 18x20 just does it with more comfort, and from the feedback of my hitting partners, with more weight-of-shot and more margin for error.

The TC97 18x20 by itself is brilliant and when I take it out before touching the TC95, I love playing with it. It is comfortable (but firmer than the TC95), has a lower launch angle (which in itself is not a problem), it produces flatter penetrating shots, and flexes from the head. It plays more like a Head Prestige. I have used the Head Prestige (and racquets like it) for the majority of my playing days, so I have no problem with the TC97 18x20, but strung with the same string and at the same tension as the TC95 18x20, it produces a stringbed that is tighter (Dynamic Tension (DT) of 39 Vs a DT of 38 for the TC95), and firmer. As a result, I will use lower tensions with the TC97 in the future in the hope of producing a softer feel.

The TC95 18x20, due to the shape of the beam, also feels better (less chunky) when I'm holding it with my supporting left hand.

Hope that helps.

 

[rider4ever]

I know you didn't ask me, however, I thought I'll add my thoughts as well and you can consider several viewpoints.

I think the answer to this question will depend on several factors: your style of play; your choice of string gauge; and the kinds of shots you usually execute being amongst them.

My simple answer is YES. In fact, for me, maybe the 18x20 is even more of a beast.

Now, the answer will depend on those factors I mentioned. I can play with both the 16x19 and the 18x20 TC95 63RA. I just find that with the 16x19 I sometimes need to focus more as I can easily overhit by making the shots too loopy or make my BH slice too floaty and a sitter. When I'm focused and my racquet-head speed is up and I'm swinging through the ball, there is no problem. But, it does require that additional focus, and if my RHS drops and the balls just come off the racquet with the higher launch angle and less work on them, my opponent will either be able to take control of the point and dictate more easily by stepping in and taking the balls on the rise (as they don't have enough work on them due to lower RHS), or because the balls are more floaty they will sit up or be less precise.

I am going to start experimenting with thicker gauge strings in order to reduce the launch angle and provide more control. This is not a problem, it will just require patience and time to find the right combo. But it means that I have not just picked up the racquet and found I have no issues to solve. Again, this is not a bad thing, nor a knock (necessarily) on the racquet, but speaks to the factors I mentioned before.

When it comes to tennis I have played more with classic racquets like the PT630, Head Prestiges (both Mid and MP), Radical Tour 630s, Volkl C10 Pros, PB10s (both Mid and MP). I don't find that 18x20 racquets lack any spin, I am able to hit any shot if my preparation is correct and my footwork is on-point. I can play with 18x20s, 16x19s, 16x20s, and 16x18s. Most of the racquets that I have tried in these string patterns have had tighter spacing than the TC95 16x19 (and the TC97 16x19 for that matter). For that reason, I have been able to maintain the control aspect of the game more easily.

On my BH side, when I am in trouble or even when I just want to change the pace a bit, I rely on my slice shot. I find that the open 16x19 pattern of the TC95 makes this a more challenging shot (or at least one I have to be much more focused on). If I am off even a bit, the ball will float and make me more of a sitting duck.

When I am using the TC95 63RA 18x20, none of these issues arise for me. I have no problem with the spin (I can produce any shot and dial the spin up or down like a volume knob), the precision is off the charts, and my BH slice is not just a defensive shot but a major weapon with which I can produce finesse, as well as, a brutal and penetrating shot that is like a tenderizing body-blow constantly weakening my opponent. With the TC95 18x20, the first string I chose (MSV Co-Focus 1.18mm) was excellent, and I am looking forward to trying others with the knowledge that I am not trying to fix a problem but looking to strengthen an already powerful weapon.

I may get there with the 16x19 TC95, in fact, I'm sure I will but it will take more time and effort than with the 18x20 version, at least for me.

Sorry about the lengthy answer, but as I said, it will depend on the style of play you enjoy, the shots you usually like to hit and the string you use.

Nice comparison. Much more detailed than what I would have written. I just bought the TC97 18x20 and the TC 97 18x20 and haven’t received them yet. I will post my feedback once I get a chance to play with them.

 

[esm]

Nice to read on the 18x20s.
recently sparked the interest again on the 18x20. Had loads of fun times with the Prestige in the last. Bought a couple of Blade 98 18x20 to give it a go.
Thought about the Angell 18x20s but decide to go with the Blade for now and keep the 16x19 with the Angell lol

 

[itsstephenyo]

After my previous lengthy response to another poster, I'll try to be very brief.

The two racquets flex differently and have different RAs, so it will come to that. They are both brilliant, it just comes down to preference.

The TC95 63RA 18x20 is the winner for me. I like the way it flexes better (from the throat onwards in a uniform fashion), and I like it's comfort levels better. Both have excellent precision, with both I can hit all my shots, but the TC95 18x20 just does it with more comfort, and from the feedback of my hitting partners, with more weight-of-shot and more margin for error.

The TC97 18x20 by itself is brilliant and when I take it out before touching the TC95, I love playing with it. It is comfortable (but firmer than the TC95), has a lower launch angle (which in itself is not a problem), it produces flatter penetrating shots, and flexes from the head. It plays more like a Head Prestige. I have used the Head Prestige (and racquets like it) for the majority of my playing days, so I have no problem with the TC97 18x20, but strung with the same string and at the same tension as the TC95 18x20, it produces a stringbed that is tighter (Dynamic Tension (DT) of 39 Vs a DT of 38 for the TC95), and firmer. As a result, I will use lower tensions with the TC97 in the future in the hope of producing a softer feel.

The TC95 18x20, due to the shape of the beam, also feels better (less chunky) when I'm holding it with my supporting left hand.

Hope that helps.

Is there a racquet that is similar to the tc95? I'm still torn between the tc97 and tc95, but I honestly think I may just be overthinking it.

I have the same experience now with my Vantage 95s 16x19 as you do as well. I have to really focus on getting good spin or else the ball flies a bit on me. That's why I'm leaning towards an 18x20 string pattern. I love how the Vantage 95 feels in my hand, though.

I've hit with a Prestige 93 several times before and have liked it. I feel like if I just had my Vantage 95 with an 18x20 string pattern that I'd love it, but dang it, I'm so torn on which to choose!

 

[Deleted member 54265]

Is there a racquet that is similar to the tc95? I'm still torn between the tc97 and tc95, but I honestly think I may just be overthinking it.

I have the same experience now with my Vantage 95s 16x19 as you do as well. I have to really focus on getting good spin or else the ball flies a bit on me. That's why I'm leaning towards an 18x20 string pattern. I love how the Vantage 95 feels in my hand, though.

I've hit with a Prestige 93 several times before and have liked it. I feel like if I just had my Vantage 95 with an 18x20 string pattern that I'd love it, but dang it, I'm so torn on which to choose!

Its easy: get borh and sell the one you like the least.

It’s christmas and you deserve an angell by your side.

 

[itsstephenyo]

Its easy: get borh and sell the one you like the least.

It’s christmas and you deserve an angell by your side.

That's... an amazing idea! Or better yet two of each so I can save on shipping?!

 

[Classic-TXP-IG MID]

Is there a racquet that is similar to the tc95? I'm still torn between the tc97 and tc95, but I honestly think I may just be overthinking it.

I have the same experience now with my Vantage 95s 16x19 as you do as well. I have to really focus on getting good spin or else the ball flies a bit on me. That's why I'm leaning towards an 18x20 string pattern. I love how the Vantage 95 feels in my hand, though.

I've hit with a Prestige 93 several times before and have liked it. I feel like if I just had my Vantage 95 with an 18x20 string pattern that I'd love it, but dang it, I'm so torn on which to choose!

The TC95 63RA 18x20 is a Vantage 95 with an 18x20 string pattern...

I'm not sure which other racquets are like the TC95, but why look for others when you can get the TC95. I also like how @Toby14 is thinking... get both and sell the one you like less. Win-Win

 

[itsstephenyo]

I decided to stop second guessing it and went with TC97's. Read a bunch of other people stating it feels like an old school racquet and that's exactly what I'm looking for. Gonna put all my eggs in one basket and order two of the dang things!

If I went with a 320g 12pt HL, after overgrips and everything it should be around 340g and 6ish pts HL?