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haqq777

Legend
As it is, I'm still kind of unsure who the TC101 caters to. Haven't played with one yet so I don't know, maybe it plays amazing. But on paper, I am not very impressed by a 101 sq in, box beam design.

I am all for 8 main TC100 in a D beam construction, like our good friend topspn mentioned above.
Had a hit from someone who recently got a hold of it and hate to say it but the racquet (minus it's fantastic octane PJ) was very underwhelming. And last Angell I used was TC97 (still have three of those and three of TC100). But hey, everyone has different likes and dislikes and tastes, some may love it. I'm more of a TC100 kind of a guy. The TC101 plays nothing like it.
 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
Had a hit from someone who recently got a hold of it and hate to say it but the racquet (minus it's fantastic octane PJ) was very underwhelming. And last Angell I used was TC97 (still have three of those and three of TC100). But hey, everyone has different likes and dislikes and tastes, some may love it. I'm more of a TC100 kind of a guy. The TC101 plays nothing like it.
Does it play like a bigger TC97?
 

haqq777

Legend
Does it play like a bigger TC97?
Not at all. It is neither here nor there. It lacks the authoritative baseline prowess you would expect from the TC100 (or most 100 sq tweeners these days), lacks the maneuverability you would expect from a good volleying stick (TC95 or TC97), doesn't have the sublime feel of K series, and overall feels cumbersome in every aspect of the game. Control is good, but TC97 definitely offers more precision as you would expect with a smaller headsize. So, yeah, I'm not exactly sure what it brings to the table, really.
 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
Not at all. It is neither here nor there. It lacks the authoritative baseline prowess you would expect from the TC100 (or most 100 sq tweeners these days), lacks the maneuverability you would expect from a good volleying stick (TC95 or TC97), doesn't have the sublime feel of K series, and overall feels cumbersome in every aspect of the game. Control is good, but TC97 definitely offers more precision as you would expect with a smaller headsize. So, yeah, I'm not exactly sure what it brings to the table, really.
Thanks, nice succinct feedback! I'm a TC100 gal myself too although I like mixing things up now and then. Probably will keep an eye for newer Angell offerings, this 101 just doesn't entice me.
 

esm

Legend
Not at all. It is neither here nor there. It lacks the authoritative baseline prowess you would expect from the TC100 (or most 100 sq tweeners these days), lacks the maneuverability you would expect from a good volleying stick (TC95 or TC97), doesn't have the sublime feel of K series, and overall feels cumbersome in every aspect of the game. Control is good, but TC97 definitely offers more precision as you would expect with a smaller headsize. So, yeah, I'm not exactly sure what it brings to the table, really.
Cool. Thanks for the feedback.
can I ask which racquet(s) from other manufacturers does it reminds you of?
Do you know the strung spec? Thanks
 

haqq777

Legend
Cool. Thanks for the feedback.
can I ask which racquet(s) from other manufacturers does it reminds you of?
Do you know the strung spec? Thanks
It was 332.5g static weight strung and balance close to 5 point HL, as per the owner. Had Tourna grip overgrip on. Owner didn't know swing weight and which string since she bought it slightly used. To me it felt like mid 320s swingweight, and string looked and played like it was black Cyclone.

I am not sure if it reminded me of any other racquet, to be honest.
 
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Prince Vegeta

Semi-Pro
I have 6 K7 Reds all supplied new and matched by Paul Angell.
The average unstrung swingweight is 297 and the strung swingweight average 326. All have lead added at 3 and 9 and the modified swingweight is 308 unstrung and 337 strung.

Paul also at my request added silicone to the handle of each of the rackets to give me an unstrung weight of 320gm with the standard grip.
That's higher swingweight numbers for the k7 red than what I got. I requested a matched pair and got 288 & 289.
 

Prince Vegeta

Semi-Pro
I agree to a point, but, adding to swingweight alone does not add sufficient authority to this frame in my experience. Prior to these 6 frames, i have owned a number of K7 Reds and Limes and have found them to be extremely comfortable but lacking consistent depth of shot and authority.
In this configuration I find them to be not only the most comfortable Angell frames I have played with but they also have more consistent depth of ground strokes with topspin or slice.
i was trying to get close to the strung specs of Andy Murrays PT57A with 16x19 pattern and if he is as happy with his rackets as I am with mine then I see why he stays with them!

I ended up adding 12 grams at noon to my k7s and for some reason they play way differently than angell's other frames. The TC line has a lot more authority. Does anyone know why?
 

topspn

G.O.A.T.
It was 332.5g static weight strung and balance close to 5 point HL, as per the owner. Had Tourna grip overgrip on. Owner didn't know swing weight and which string since she bought it slightly used. To me it felt like mid 320s swingweight, and string looked and played like it was black Cyclone.

I am not sure if it reminded me of any other racquet, to be honest.
What’s your string setup on TC100? I have been playing Revolution 1.25 and Revolve Spin 1.25 @54lbs
 

haqq777

Legend
What’s your string setup on TC100? I have been playing Revolution 1.25 and Revolve Spin 1.25 @54lbs
Been playing my APDs this season. But when I played TC100 last, I went with either Lyon, Silverstring and YPTS at 50 lbs. For Hyper G I found it best at 53-54 lbs. Haven't played Revolution or Revolve Spin yet. How has your experience been?
 

topspn

G.O.A.T.
Been playing my APDs this season. But when I played TC100 last, I went with either Lyon, Silverstring and YPTS at 50 lbs. For Hyper G I found it best at 53-54 lbs. Haven't played Revolution or Revolve Spin yet. How has your experience been?
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Wow surprised a bit you’re playing those since they are stiffer. I did demo the new pure aero and probably the most comfort. I like both strings on the TC100. The revolve spin pockets more and revolution has great bite on the ball.
 

haqq777

Legend
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Wow surprised a bit you’re playing those since they are stiffer. I did demo the new pure aero and probably the most comfort. I like both strings on the TC100. The revolve spin pockets more and revolution has great bite on the ball.
APD 2013 play similar to the new PA (infact better IMO) and are 68 RA strung. The new PA you demoed is 67 RA strung so pretty much the same in stiffness. I've never felt any pain or arm issues with my APDs since I don't string above 52 to 54 lbs poly. What you lack in feel and feedback overall obviously, you make up with that addictive power on tap.

Will have to try both Revolve Spin and Revolution. Haven't tried them yet and sounds like I'll like them.
 

topspn

G.O.A.T.
APD 2013 play similar to the new PA (infact better IMO) and are 68 RA strung. The new PA you demoed is 67 RA strung so pretty much the same in stiffness. I've never felt any pain or arm issues with my APDs since I don't string above 52 to 54 lbs poly. What you lack in feel and feedback overall obviously, you make up with that addictive power on tap.

Will have to try both Revolve Spin and Revolution. Haven't tried them yet and sounds like I'll like them.
Yes, certainly both are worth trying, revolve spin will feel a bit softer in your APDs. I also have Confidential and S7T in 16g that i’ll string in TC100 eventually to try out.
 
I’ve been getting my TC95 dialed in and it’s pretty much perfect now to the point where I want to order a second one. Before I do, I was wondering if anyone could compare the TC95 and TC97 in terms of feel, especially after adding lots of lead at 12?
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I’ve been getting my TC95 dialed in and it’s pretty much perfect now to the point where I want to order a second one. Before I do, I was wondering if anyone could compare the TC95 and TC97 in terms of feel, especially after adding lots of lead at 12?

I know it's not the response you want... but it's been covered quite extensively by many people on this thread before... just search for that topic and see what comes up within the thread.
 

rlau

Hall of Fame
I am all for 8 main TC100 in a D beam construction, like our good friend topspn mentioned above.
I would also love an 8 main TC100 in a D beam construction (16/19 and/or 18/20), but with a rounder head shape than the current oval head shape, which is barely any wider than a TC95/TC97. Sort of like a Head Gravity Pro, but then foam filled.
 

Happi

Hall of Fame
I would also love an 8 main TC100 in a D beam construction (16/19 and/or 18/20), but with a rounder head shape than the current oval head shape, which is barely any wider than a TC95/TC97. Sort of like a Head Gravity Pro, but then foam filled.

The head shape of the TC are the most beautiful, please dont chage that. 18x20 TC100 is on my list.
 

ed70

Professional
As it is, I'm still kind of unsure who the TC101 caters to. Haven't played with one yet so I don't know, maybe it plays amazing. But on paper, I am not very impressed by a 101 sq in, box beam design.

I am all for 8 main TC100 in a D beam construction, like our good friend topspn mentioned above.

not really true box beam the tc97’s - 101’s, only got box beam in the throat area of the frame & not the head like true box beams.
The squarer shape in the throat can actually help the frame deform more uniformly to the impact with the ball & less likely to twist, for me this helps increase stability & control & is the reason why I can play a tc97 at 330g strung & it’s solid needs no weight.
Not hit the 101, and although as I mentioned it’s only part box beam..box beams traditionally work better in smaller head sizes.
 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
not really true box beam the tc97’s - 101’s, only got box beam in the throat area of the frame & not the head like true box beams.
The squarer shape in the throat can actually help the frame deform more uniformly to the impact with the ball & less likely to twist, for me this helps increase stability & control & is the reason why I can play a tc97 at 330g strung & it’s solid needs no weight.
Not hit the 101, and although as I mentioned it’s only part box beam..box beams traditionally work better in smaller head sizes.
Sure but you will be hard pressed to find a "proper" box beam in this day and age anyway. The only ones I can think of top off my head are PS85 and some classic Prince sticks. Box beam nowadays is square or rectangular beam (as opposed to oval or roundish) starting from above handle to the bridge area and starting of hoop. Don't think any manufacturer is doing square or rectangular box construction from handle top all way around hoop. And yes, great feel and control oriented racquets.

TC97 is actually very similar to older Prestiges and Dunlops in that regard. Very stable, no doubt and great control.
 

itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
I'm finally dialing in tension ranges on this TC97 18x20. Last racquet I strung up full poly, BHB7 mains and Oehms Black Pearl Rough Crosses at about 54lbs. First hit out was terrible. Couldn't find my range, stringbed felt like crap. I almost went home that first day and cut the strings out cuz I hated it so much. Buddy of mine convinced me to give it one more try, and holy crap, once the stringbed loosened up a bit, it was amazing. Control went way up, spin went way up, I was hitting big from both sides, landing drop volleys everywhere. I felt like a dang rock star.

Strung up the second racquet last night with BHB7 and Cyberflash crosses at 50lbs this time. Won't have time to hit for a while but man, I haven't strung in the low 50's in years. I may try to go into the 40's.
 

tpro2000

Rookie
Random funny thought. We all have our personal tension ranges we like for certain racquet/strings. Here some stats from this past week's pro tournaments:

Marseille: lowest tension 20kg, highest 28kg (62)

Delray Open: lowest 14kg (most likely a dubs player), highest 25kg (55#).

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emhtennis

Hall of Fame
I've strung my TC97 18x20 at 46lbs and like it after about 3hrs. I'm going to go with 45 or maybe even 44lbs next time. String is MSV Focus Hex 1.18

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SAG72

New User
Haven't posted in years. Wanted to try an Angell , but not sure which one I should get? Currently playing with 2015 Wilson Blade 18x20. Love the racquet, just a little too stiff. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Take care everyone.
 

haqq777

Legend
@topspn you've upped your tensions from what I remember. Going more towards mid 50s now I see (I remember because we exchanged notes a lot when I was using my TC100s). Was it because you were using your TC95 back then and now are wanting more control with bigger headsize? My baseline is still 50 lbs. Usually go up or down a couple of pounds but that's it.
 

itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
Haven't posted in years. Wanted to try an Angell , but not sure which one I should get? Currently playing with 2015 Wilson Blade 18x20. Love the racquet, just a little too stiff. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Take care everyone.

Are you looking to stay with the 18x20 pattern? If so, then the TC95 63RA 18x20 sounds like the way to go, or maybe even the K7 Lime.

The TC95 is customizable, but the K7 is not.
 

topspn

G.O.A.T.
@topspn you've upped your tensions from what I remember. Going more towards mid 50s now I see (I remember because we exchanged notes a lot when I was using my TC100s). Was it because you were using your TC95 back then and now are wanting more control with bigger headsize? My baseline is still 50 lbs. Usually go up or down a couple of pounds but that's it.
Yes my friend, that is exactly right the TC100 is more forgiving and has less control then TC95 which for most strings I strung @48lbs. I have been playing with 1.25 gauge as well both revolution and revolve spin and of course are more lively than 16g. So i have been playing around 54lbs and decided to go down a lb for 16g. Maybe i will eventually go down a bit. Btw, have two demos on the way, the new diadems elevate tour and nova. It was pretty good demo deal so couldn’t resist ;)
 

SAG72

New User
Are you looking to stay with the 18x20 pattern? If so, then the TC95 63RA 18x20 sounds like the way to go, or maybe even the K7 Lime.

The TC95 is customizable, but the K7 is not.
Are you looking to stay with the 18x20 pattern? If so, then the TC95 63RA 18x20 sounds like the way to go, or maybe even the K7 Lime.

The TC95 is customizable, but the K7 is not.
I can't play with anything but 18x20s. I'm 47, former top 15 ranked junior in Alabama, top 50 Southern. Grew up playing with the Max 200g. Got back into tennis 10 years ago, and I can't find anything I'm totally comfortable with. Its been a struggle to put it mildly.
 

SAG72

New User
I can't play with anything but 18x20s. I'm 47, former top 15 ranked junior in Alabama, top 50 Southern. Grew up playing with the Max 200g. Got back into tennis 10 years ago, and I can't find anything I'm totally comfortable with. Its been a struggle to put it mildly.
I string my own racquets, and customize them as well, lead, etc. I was thinking the k7 lime customized. I like around 12oz, 335sw, 6pts hl.
 

itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
After playing for years with a Vantage 95 (basically the very first gen TC95) 16x19, I recently made the switch to a TC97 18x20, 320g/10HL and I've been absolutely loving it. The TC97 is slightly stiffer on paper vs the TC95 (66 vs 63), but from most people here, it's not so much that it FEELS stiffer, it's just where it flexes that's the difference between the TC95 and TC97. After strings, overgrip, dampener, and head tape, it came in at 12.2g strung, about 7p HL. I haven't even messed with lead tape yet cuz I love how it hits right now in its stock form.

The general consensus is that the TC95 has a bit more free power over the TC97. Both racquets give that solid, plush THUMP on impact and are very comfortable.
 

SAG72

New User
After playing for years with a Vantage 95 (basically the very first gen TC95) 16x19, I recently made the switch to a TC97 18x20, 320g/10HL and I've been absolutely loving it. The TC97 is slightly stiffer on paper vs the TC95 (66 vs 63), but from most people here, it's not so much that it FEELS stiffer, it's just where it flexes that's the difference between the TC95 and TC97. After strings, overgrip, dampener, and head tape, it came in at 12.2g strung, about 7p HL. I haven't even messed with lead tape yet cuz I love how it hits right now in its stock form.

The general consensus is that the TC95 has a bit more free power over the TC97. Both racquets give that solid, plush THUMP on impact and are very comfortable.
Is it super stable with no lead, and how is the trajectory (hitting flat with it)? I hang on the baseline, hit just about everything flat, hitting the ball on the rise. What I liked about the 2015 blade was the flat, linear trajectory. Best racquet I've found yet hitting flat. Just too stiff.
 

itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
Is it super stable with no lead, and how is the trajectory (hitting flat with it)? I hang on the baseline, hit just about everything flat, hitting the ball on the rise. What I liked about the 2015 blade was the flat, linear trajectory. Best racquet I've found yet hitting flat. Just too stiff.

I'm a flat ball hitter myself. TC97 might have the lowest trajectory of the Angell line, certainly quite a bit lower than the TC95 16x19. Took me a little while to get used to HOW much lower the trajectory was, as I found myself consistently hitting the middle of the net on the first day switching.

Thus far, I've had no issues with stability, though the racquet does demand quite a bit more footwork outta me in order to thrive. My hitting partners have noticed that my shots have quite a bit more bite and spin to them, despite the tighter string pattern, but I also attribute that to me retooling my strokes and not being lazy.

My little group of hitting partners are all pretty good players. One of 'em was a former d3 player who was about .500 through his career (we all graduated several years ago.) Not bad, but also not 5.0 players, and I'll usually beat him if we're playing points or tie breaks for fun.

If you lived in the Dallas area, I'd gladly let you demo the sticks!
 

SAG72

New User
I'm a flat ball hitter myself. TC97 might have the lowest trajectory of the Angell line, certainly quite a bit lower than the TC95 16x19. Took me a little while to get used to HOW much lower the trajectory was, as I found myself consistently hitting the middle of the net on the first day switching.

Thus far, I've had no issues with stability, though the racquet does demand quite a bit more footwork outta me in order to thrive. My hitting partners have noticed that my shots have quite a bit more bite and spin to them, despite the tighter string pattern, but I also attribute that to me retooling my strokes and not being lazy.

My little group of hitting partners are all pretty good players. One of 'em was a former d3 player who was about .500 through his career (we all graduated several years ago.) Not bad, but also not 5.0 players, and I'll usually beat him if we're playing points or tie breaks for fun.

If you lived in the Dallas area, I'd gladly let you demo the sticks!
I live in Jacksonville, Al about halfway between Birmingham and Atlanta. Really hard to find anyone to play with period. I used to beat players on JSU's tennis team, many moons ago. I appreciate that, and you answering. I think I'm going to go with the k7 lime and customize it since I have foam filled 2015 blades and ultra tours. Take it easy.
 

Jouke

Professional
I live in Jacksonville, Al about halfway between Birmingham and Atlanta. Really hard to find anyone to play with period. I used to beat players on JSU's tennis team, many moons ago. I appreciate that, and you answering. I think I'm going to go with the k7 lime and customize it since I have foam filled 2015 blades and ultra tours. Take it easy.
Try the K7 lime or the new V7 Blade.

V7 blade is great and much softer than 2015 blade! Has a real pro stock feel to it.
 
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itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
I live in Jacksonville, Al about halfway between Birmingham and Atlanta. Really hard to find anyone to play with period. I used to beat players on JSU's tennis team, many moons ago. I appreciate that, and you answering. I think I'm going to go with the k7 lime and customize it since I have foam filled 2015 blades and ultra tours. Take it easy.

Good luck and let us know!
 

ed70

Professional
I can't play with anything but 18x20s. I'm 47, former top 15 ranked junior in Alabama, top 50 Southern. Grew up playing with the Max 200g. Got back into tennis 10 years ago, and I can't find anything I'm totally comfortable with. Its been a struggle to put it mildly.

if you liked the max 200g I’d of thought you’d love the TC97 18x20.
 

ed70

Professional
Sure but you will be hard pressed to find a "proper" box beam in this day and age anyway. The only ones I can think of top off my head are PS85 and some classic Prince sticks. Box beam nowadays is square or rectangular beam (as opposed to oval or roundish) starting from above handle to the bridge area and starting of hoop. Don't think any manufacturer is doing square or rectangular box construction from handle top all way around hoop. And yes, great feel and control oriented racquets.

TC97 is actually very similar to older Prestiges and Dunlops in that regard. Very stable, no doubt and great control.
Yes shame really, I guess the demands not there anymore & maybe true box beam will never return.
 

stephenclown

Professional
Sure but you will be hard pressed to find a "proper" box beam in this day and age anyway. The only ones I can think of top off my head are PS85 and some classic Prince sticks. Box beam nowadays is square or rectangular beam (as opposed to oval or roundish) starting from above handle to the bridge area and starting of hoop. Don't think any manufacturer is doing square or rectangular box construction from handle top all way around hoop. And yes, great feel and control oriented racquets.

TC97 is actually very similar to older Prestiges and Dunlops in that regard. Very stable, no doubt and great control.

Sorry just chiming in, the Phantom P series are box beams, 14x18 93P, 18x20 93P, 97P and 100P

TC97 uses the hybrid beam to create a very nice overall feel and playable frame. Great stability compared to the 95/90 frames and a low launch angle. Great feel off the stringbed as well.

I wish the TC90 was replaced with a true box beam 90 16x19 though - <18mm beam would be sweet. TC90 in a thinner version of the 97P would also be amazing.
 

graycrait

Legend
Does someone know if the TC95 320/310 18x20 63RA 27.5" plays similarly to the Pure Storm 95 LTD+ GT? Specs are close but was wondering about the head shape, possible string pattern and slight RA differences. PS 95 LTD+ GTs are rarer than hens teeth and I thought maybe the Angell TC95 might solve my problem in finding more PS 95 LTD+ GTs.
 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
Sorry just chiming in, the Phantom P series are box beams, 14x18 93P, 18x20 93P, 97P and 100P

TC97 uses the hybrid beam to create a very nice overall feel and playable frame. Great stability compared to the 95/90 frames and a low launch angle. Great feel off the stringbed as well.

I wish the TC90 was replaced with a true box beam 90 16x19 though - <18mm beam would be sweet. TC90 in a thinner version of the 97P would also be amazing.
Phantom P series aren't "proper" box beams either though. They have tapered beams (20.5mm -19.5mm -16.5mm) instead of constant box construction throughout. For example, PS 85, the holy grail, is a 17mm -17mm -17mm. Or Max 200G was constant/straight box beam as well. As I mentioned in my earlier comment, I don't think any manufacturer is making true box beams anymore.

I'm a TC97 fan as well having tried those many times. Not my main racquet of choice but I definitely agree about stability, and feel. I also find them to have excellent control, perhaps due to this beam construction as well.

Have never tried TC90. I don't think I could go that low in head size, not that high level of a player and shank much as it is.
 

rlau

Hall of Fame
Sorry just chiming in, the Phantom P series are box beams, 14x18 93P, 18x20 93P, 97P and 100P

TC97 uses the hybrid beam to create a very nice overall feel and playable frame. Great stability compared to the 95/90 frames and a low launch angle. Great feel off the stringbed as well.
Hi @stephenclown, how would you compare Phantom 97P to Angell TC97 16x19? I believe PP97P is now your main frame? I just bought one too, but I have not hit with it yet.
 
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haqq777

Legend
Does someone know if the TC95 320/310 18x20 63RA 27.5" plays similarly to the Pure Storm 95 LTD+ GT? Specs are close but was wondering about the head shape, possible string pattern and slight RA differences. PS 95 LTD+ GTs are rarer than hens teeth and I thought maybe the Angell TC95 might solve my problem in finding more PS 95 LTD+ GTs.
I have played with both.Very very different, racquets. TC95 is a powerhouse whereas Pure Storm LTD was already low on power as it is. Different beam construction if I recall as too. TC95 plays much crisper (Pure Storm is more plush) and you can feel the difference in flex as well. The Pure Storm LTD flexes old school hoop flex way (think Prestiges or Older Prince) whereas TC95 has a modern, more uniform flex.

Edit:
Seems I had a similar answer for you earlier as well ;)

 
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haqq777

Legend
Yes my friend, that is exactly right the TC100 is more forgiving and has less control then TC95 which for most strings I strung @48lbs. I have been playing with 1.25 gauge as well both revolution and revolve spin and of course are more lively than 16g. So i have been playing around 54lbs and decided to go down a lb for 16g. Maybe i will eventually go down a bit. Btw, have two demos on the way, the new diadems elevate tour and nova. It was pretty good demo deal so couldn’t resist ;)
Makes sense! I'm eager to hear your feedback on both Diadems. I remember when we were clicking with our PSTGT we both tried the Elevate and it was good stick, both nothing extraordinary. Hopefully this new iteration makes it a bit better. Are they both foam filled or just the Elevate?
 
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