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tennis347

Professional
What kind of beam construction does the ASL2 have? I noticed that the throat is a bit wider than the hoop? Does this help with stability?
 
What kind of beam construction does the ASL2 have? I noticed that the throat is a bit wider than the hoop? Does this help with stability?
It’s a box beam, but does taper from the throat to the hoop in a continuous manner, but opposite of the Prince CTS. A little bit of lead at 12 o’clock helps with power.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
Genuine question (this may already bee covered previously) - since TC97 and K7 have box beams, how do they compare. I have never played with TC97 but I have a K7 Red. The K7 Red plays very plush and nicely. Do they flex similar. I understand one is 97 and the other is 98.
I miss my K7 Red. Mate if mine has it atm. I will probably get it back next week, so I will change the string and have a go at it again. :p
 

tennis347

Professional
It’s a box beam, but does taper from the throat to the hoop in a continuous manner, but opposite of the Prince CTS. A little bit of lead at 12 o’clock helps with power.
I put 5 grams at 3 and 9 to help increase stability and add some plow. The ASL2 is very HL. I previously had the K7 Red which is a very plush and comfortable frame.
I wanted a tad more power and thought the ASL2 would be a good fit. I also understand it's a bit firmer than the K7 Red even though the RA is a tad lower.
 
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topspn

Legend
Genuine question (this may already bee covered previously) - since TC97 and K7 have box beams, how do they compare. I have never played with TC97 but I have a K7 Red. The K7 Red plays very plush and nicely. Do they flex similar. I understand one is 97 and the other is 98.
I miss my K7 Red. Mate if mine has it atm. I will probably get it back next week, so I will change the string and have a go at it again. :p
K7 red needs some weight for stability but plays much plusher, more flexy although more uniform flex then TC97
 

esm

Hall of Fame
K7 red needs some weight for stability but plays much plusher, more flexy although more uniform flex then TC97
Thanks for that. Good to know. If I remembered correctly, I have weights on the hoop and at the throat to bumps up the SW and string weight. I will need to take a good look again when I get it back next week
 

topspn

Legend
Thanks for that. Good to know. If I remembered correctly, I have weights on the hoop and at the throat to bumps up the SW and string weight. I will need to take a good look again when I get it back next week
I liked K7 the most with leather grip, weight 2&10 and more weight 7” spot top of the grip. In total 12oz
 

Prince Vegeta

Semi-Pro
Does anyone have experience with the angell tc2 backpack? What I want to know is if the zippers are like every other tennis backpack and fall down with the racquet handles sticking out during transportation.
 

adriantennis

New User
Why not go for TC100 instead? It has plenty of assistance itself and you’ve got many contributors here who have played it or are playing with TC100 as their main frame now, which means plenty of experience with string and racquet customizing. 105 is probably not that different but still, the 100 has a cult following here (even I like it very much, although it might not look like it at times) and it would be a shame not to make the best of it. Plus it’s re-sale value might be higher in case you don’t like it.

I googled the specs of your current frame (is that V Feel 8 300?) and those specs should be rather easy to recreate with a 70RA TC100. You’d be getting a killer frame in very familiar specs...
Hi again to all. Pulled the trigger and bought an angell v3 100 from a recommendation from Joohan. Have played a good 15 hrs with this frame and all I can say is wow. The specs of the racket are 330g strung. 32.6 cm balance point. 328 swing weight. Prebuilt stiffness of 70.I strung the racket with signum pro yellow jacket 17gauge at 58 pounds. 5.0 all court player. Previously using the volkl v feel 300. Now will write about my experience with the racket. Firstly paint and build quality are top notch. Absolute serve monster. Person I play with is 5.5 level and has said my serves are bigger with more pace. Ground strokes have heaps more plow. Spin monster as well. Balls are kicking at my opponents heads. And the racket can absorb more pace as well. Solid as a rock at the net. Does not get pushed around. But most importantly the feel for me is as smooth as silk. Have never experienced a great feeling racket like this before.I feel like my game has gone up another level. And I have been playing for almost 35 yrs. I am 45 yrs old. Importantly I feel no soreness in my elbow. And I was a long time volkl user. Finally my racket search is well and truely over. Will purchase one more and a bag in the near future. I would like to thank joohan again for the recommendation. And Paul for a great racket. Hoping everyone on the forum has a great day.
 

Rysty

Rookie
Does anyone have experience with the angell tc2 backpack? What I want to know is if the zippers are like every other tennis backpack and fall down with the racquet handles sticking out during transportation.
Yes, unfortunately they do. In general, Angell bags are not bad, but not the same quality as the racquets.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Hi again to all. Pulled the trigger and bought an angell v3 100 from a recommendation from Joohan. Have played a good 15 hrs with this frame and all I can say is wow. The specs of the racket are 330g strung. 32.6 cm balance point. 328 swing weight. Prebuilt stiffness of 70.I strung the racket with signum pro yellow jacket 17gauge at 58 pounds. 5.0 all court player. Previously using the volkl v feel 300. Now will write about my experience with the racket. Firstly paint and build quality are top notch. Absolute serve monster. Person I play with is 5.5 level and has said my serves are bigger with more pace. Ground strokes have heaps more plow. Spin monster as well. Balls are kicking at my opponents heads. And the racket can absorb more pace as well. Solid as a rock at the net. Does not get pushed around. But most importantly the feel for me is as smooth as silk. Have never experienced a great feeling racket like this before.I feel like my game has gone up another level. And I have been playing for almost 35 yrs. I am 45 yrs old. Importantly I feel no soreness in my elbow. And I was a long time volkl user. Finally my racket search is well and truely over. Will purchase one more and a bag in the near future. I would like to thank joohan again for the recommendation. And Paul for a great racket. Hoping everyone on the forum has a great day.
I’m glad it you like it, enjoy .)
 

OlgaOM

New User
Genuine question (this may already bee covered previously) - since TC97 and K7 have box beams, how do they compare. I have never played with TC97 but I have a K7 Red. The K7 Red plays very plush and nicely. Do they flex similar. I understand one is 97 and the other is 98.
I miss my K7 Red. Mate if mine has it atm. I will probably get it back next week, so I will change the string and have a go at it again. :p
I prefer TC97. Though, I’m playing with both 97 and K7 Red. The latter one is way less stable and lacks some control for me. Tried to lead it up but couldn’t make it “play” better :)) K7 is a tad more forgiving. In terms of flex - most here say TC97 has a “unique” flex in the hoop. I don’t feel that, but it works better for my TE issue.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I prefer TC97. Though, I’m playing with both 97 and K7 Red. The latter one is way less stable and lacks some control for me. Tried to lead it up but couldn’t make it “play” better :)) K7 is a tad more forgiving. In terms of flex - most here say TC97 has a “unique” flex in the hoop. I don’t feel that, but it works better for my TE issue.
I prefer the TC97 to the K7 Red too... haven't tried the K7 Lime though (as a result of not being able to gel with the Red).
 

Paul Johnson

New User
Has anyone with a K7 Red requested one with an unstrung SW near 300 (as Paul has told me directly is possible)?
I have 6 K7 Reds all supplied new and matched by Paul Angell.
The average unstrung swingweight is 297 and the strung swingweight average 326. All have lead added at 3 and 9 and the modified swingweight is 308 unstrung and 337 strung.

Paul also at my request added silicone to the handle of each of the rackets to give me an unstrung weight of 320gm with the standard grip.
 

aehjmeyer

New User
I have 6 K7 Reds all supplied new and matched by Paul Angell.
The average unstrung swingweight is 297 and the strung swingweight average 326. All have lead added at 3 and 9 and the modified swingweight is 308 unstrung and 337 strung.

Paul also at my request added silicone to the handle of each of the rackets to give me an unstrung weight of 320gm with the standard grip.
Getting a K7 Red with higher SW seems like it would address the consistent commentary about lacking authority, which is why I’m curious
 
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Paul Johnson

New User
Getting a K7 Red with higher SW seems like it would improve the consistent umber commentary about lacking authority, which is why I’m curious
I agree to a point, but, adding to swingweight alone does not add sufficient authority to this frame in my experience. Prior to these 6 frames, i have owned a number of K7 Reds and Limes and have found them to be extremely comfortable but lacking consistent depth of shot and authority.
In this configuration I find them to be not only the most comfortable Angell frames I have played with but they also have more consistent depth of ground strokes with topspin or slice.
i was trying to get close to the strung specs of Andy Murrays PT57A with 16x19 pattern and if he is as happy with his rackets as I am with mine then I see why he stays with them!
 
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Brand77

New User
Well I had a couple of sessions with the TC101 but the circumstances were not that great (weather, physical) so will need to play some more before I can decide if I like it enough to keep it in rotation.
It does feel a bit less whippy compared to my TC100 so I probably need to improve my strokes and timing a bit more :-D
 

esm

Hall of Fame
I think we may have already covered this already - does anyone have any idea what new racquets we may see this year from Mr. Angell?
8-B
 

esm

Hall of Fame
The new slogan is - Go One Better....
Now we already have the 101, so... shall we be expecting...
91
96
98
99
106
8-B :X3:
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
The new slogan is - Go One Better....
Now we already have the 101, so... shall we be expecting...
91
96
98
99
106
8-B :X3:
He's also flipped the Beam profiles, so the 101 has a Box beam from the TC97 (instead of the D-Beam from the TC100)... so...98 with a D-Beam... Maybe a heavier K7 Blue with a D-Beam... Different string patterns... we'll see. Fingers crossed it's awesome.
 

haqq777

Legend
As it is, I'm still kind of unsure who the TC101 caters to. Haven't played with one yet so I don't know, maybe it plays amazing. But on paper, I am not very impressed by a 101 sq in, box beam design.

I am all for 8 main TC100 in a D beam construction, like our good friend topspn mentioned above.
Had a hit from someone who recently got a hold of it and hate to say it but the racquet (minus it's fantastic octane PJ) was very underwhelming. And last Angell I used was TC97 (still have three of those and three of TC100). But hey, everyone has different likes and dislikes and tastes, some may love it. I'm more of a TC100 kind of a guy. The TC101 plays nothing like it.
 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
Had a hit from someone who recently got a hold of it and hate to say it but the racquet (minus it's fantastic octane PJ) was very underwhelming. And last Angell I used was TC97 (still have three of those and three of TC100). But hey, everyone has different likes and dislikes and tastes, some may love it. I'm more of a TC100 kind of a guy. The TC101 plays nothing like it.
Does it play like a bigger TC97?
 

haqq777

Legend
Does it play like a bigger TC97?
Not at all. It is neither here nor there. It lacks the authoritative baseline prowess you would expect from the TC100 (or most 100 sq tweeners these days), lacks the maneuverability you would expect from a good volleying stick (TC95 or TC97), doesn't have the sublime feel of K series, and overall feels cumbersome in every aspect of the game. Control is good, but TC97 definitely offers more precision as you would expect with a smaller headsize. So, yeah, I'm not exactly sure what it brings to the table, really.
 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
Not at all. It is neither here nor there. It lacks the authoritative baseline prowess you would expect from the TC100 (or most 100 sq tweeners these days), lacks the maneuverability you would expect from a good volleying stick (TC95 or TC97), doesn't have the sublime feel of K series, and overall feels cumbersome in every aspect of the game. Control is good, but TC97 definitely offers more precision as you would expect with a smaller headsize. So, yeah, I'm not exactly sure what it brings to the table, really.
Thanks, nice succinct feedback! I'm a TC100 gal myself too although I like mixing things up now and then. Probably will keep an eye for newer Angell offerings, this 101 just doesn't entice me.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
Not at all. It is neither here nor there. It lacks the authoritative baseline prowess you would expect from the TC100 (or most 100 sq tweeners these days), lacks the maneuverability you would expect from a good volleying stick (TC95 or TC97), doesn't have the sublime feel of K series, and overall feels cumbersome in every aspect of the game. Control is good, but TC97 definitely offers more precision as you would expect with a smaller headsize. So, yeah, I'm not exactly sure what it brings to the table, really.
Cool. Thanks for the feedback.
can I ask which racquet(s) from other manufacturers does it reminds you of?
Do you know the strung spec? Thanks
 

haqq777

Legend
Cool. Thanks for the feedback.
can I ask which racquet(s) from other manufacturers does it reminds you of?
Do you know the strung spec? Thanks
It was 332.5g static weight strung and balance close to 5 point HL, as per the owner. Had Tourna grip overgrip on. Owner didn't know swing weight and which string since she bought it slightly used. To me it felt like mid 320s swingweight, and string looked and played like it was black Cyclone.

I am not sure if it reminded me of any other racquet, to be honest.
 
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Prince Vegeta

Semi-Pro
I have 6 K7 Reds all supplied new and matched by Paul Angell.
The average unstrung swingweight is 297 and the strung swingweight average 326. All have lead added at 3 and 9 and the modified swingweight is 308 unstrung and 337 strung.

Paul also at my request added silicone to the handle of each of the rackets to give me an unstrung weight of 320gm with the standard grip.
That's higher swingweight numbers for the k7 red than what I got. I requested a matched pair and got 288 & 289.
 

Prince Vegeta

Semi-Pro
I agree to a point, but, adding to swingweight alone does not add sufficient authority to this frame in my experience. Prior to these 6 frames, i have owned a number of K7 Reds and Limes and have found them to be extremely comfortable but lacking consistent depth of shot and authority.
In this configuration I find them to be not only the most comfortable Angell frames I have played with but they also have more consistent depth of ground strokes with topspin or slice.
i was trying to get close to the strung specs of Andy Murrays PT57A with 16x19 pattern and if he is as happy with his rackets as I am with mine then I see why he stays with them!
I ended up adding 12 grams at noon to my k7s and for some reason they play way differently than angell's other frames. The TC line has a lot more authority. Does anyone know why?
 

topspn

Legend
It was 332.5g static weight strung and balance close to 5 point HL, as per the owner. Had Tourna grip overgrip on. Owner didn't know swing weight and which string since she bought it slightly used. To me it felt like mid 320s swingweight, and string looked and played like it was black Cyclone.

I am not sure if it reminded me of any other racquet, to be honest.
What’s your string setup on TC100? I have been playing Revolution 1.25 and Revolve Spin 1.25 @54lbs
 

haqq777

Legend
What’s your string setup on TC100? I have been playing Revolution 1.25 and Revolve Spin 1.25 @54lbs
Been playing my APDs this season. But when I played TC100 last, I went with either Lyon, Silverstring and YPTS at 50 lbs. For Hyper G I found it best at 53-54 lbs. Haven't played Revolution or Revolve Spin yet. How has your experience been?
 

topspn

Legend
Been playing my APDs this season. But when I played TC100 last, I went with either Lyon, Silverstring and YPTS at 50 lbs. For Hyper G I found it best at 53-54 lbs. Haven't played Revolution or Revolve Spin yet. How has your experience been?
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Wow surprised a bit you’re playing those since they are stiffer. I did demo the new pure aero and probably the most comfort. I like both strings on the TC100. The revolve spin pockets more and revolution has great bite on the ball.
 

haqq777

Legend
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Wow surprised a bit you’re playing those since they are stiffer. I did demo the new pure aero and probably the most comfort. I like both strings on the TC100. The revolve spin pockets more and revolution has great bite on the ball.
APD 2013 play similar to the new PA (infact better IMO) and are 68 RA strung. The new PA you demoed is 67 RA strung so pretty much the same in stiffness. I've never felt any pain or arm issues with my APDs since I don't string above 52 to 54 lbs poly. What you lack in feel and feedback overall obviously, you make up with that addictive power on tap.

Will have to try both Revolve Spin and Revolution. Haven't tried them yet and sounds like I'll like them.
 

topspn

Legend
APD 2013 play similar to the new PA (infact better IMO) and are 68 RA strung. The new PA you demoed is 67 RA strung so pretty much the same in stiffness. I've never felt any pain or arm issues with my APDs since I don't string above 52 to 54 lbs poly. What you lack in feel and feedback overall obviously, you make up with that addictive power on tap.

Will have to try both Revolve Spin and Revolution. Haven't tried them yet and sounds like I'll like them.
Yes, certainly both are worth trying, revolve spin will feel a bit softer in your APDs. I also have Confidential and S7T in 16g that i’ll string in TC100 eventually to try out.
 
I’ve been getting my TC95 dialed in and it’s pretty much perfect now to the point where I want to order a second one. Before I do, I was wondering if anyone could compare the TC95 and TC97 in terms of feel, especially after adding lots of lead at 12?
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I’ve been getting my TC95 dialed in and it’s pretty much perfect now to the point where I want to order a second one. Before I do, I was wondering if anyone could compare the TC95 and TC97 in terms of feel, especially after adding lots of lead at 12?
I know it's not the response you want... but it's been covered quite extensively by many people on this thread before... just search for that topic and see what comes up within the thread.
 

rlau

Hall of Fame
I am all for 8 main TC100 in a D beam construction, like our good friend topspn mentioned above.
I would also love an 8 main TC100 in a D beam construction (16/19 and/or 18/20), but with a rounder head shape than the current oval head shape, which is barely any wider than a TC95/TC97. Sort of like a Head Gravity Pro, but then foam filled.
 

Happi

Semi-Pro
I would also love an 8 main TC100 in a D beam construction (16/19 and/or 18/20), but with a rounder head shape than the current oval head shape, which is barely any wider than a TC95/TC97. Sort of like a Head Gravity Pro, but then foam filled.
The head shape of the TC are the most beautiful, please dont chage that. 18x20 TC100 is on my list.
 

ed70

Professional
As it is, I'm still kind of unsure who the TC101 caters to. Haven't played with one yet so I don't know, maybe it plays amazing. But on paper, I am not very impressed by a 101 sq in, box beam design.

I am all for 8 main TC100 in a D beam construction, like our good friend topspn mentioned above.
not really true box beam the tc97’s - 101’s, only got box beam in the throat area of the frame & not the head like true box beams.
The squarer shape in the throat can actually help the frame deform more uniformly to the impact with the ball & less likely to twist, for me this helps increase stability & control & is the reason why I can play a tc97 at 330g strung & it’s solid needs no weight.
Not hit the 101, and although as I mentioned it’s only part box beam..box beams traditionally work better in smaller head sizes.
 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
not really true box beam the tc97’s - 101’s, only got box beam in the throat area of the frame & not the head like true box beams.
The squarer shape in the throat can actually help the frame deform more uniformly to the impact with the ball & less likely to twist, for me this helps increase stability & control & is the reason why I can play a tc97 at 330g strung & it’s solid needs no weight.
Not hit the 101, and although as I mentioned it’s only part box beam..box beams traditionally work better in smaller head sizes.
Sure but you will be hard pressed to find a "proper" box beam in this day and age anyway. The only ones I can think of top off my head are PS85 and some classic Prince sticks. Box beam nowadays is square or rectangular beam (as opposed to oval or roundish) starting from above handle to the bridge area and starting of hoop. Don't think any manufacturer is doing square or rectangular box construction from handle top all way around hoop. And yes, great feel and control oriented racquets.

TC97 is actually very similar to older Prestiges and Dunlops in that regard. Very stable, no doubt and great control.
 

itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
I'm finally dialing in tension ranges on this TC97 18x20. Last racquet I strung up full poly, BHB7 mains and Oehms Black Pearl Rough Crosses at about 54lbs. First hit out was terrible. Couldn't find my range, stringbed felt like crap. I almost went home that first day and cut the strings out cuz I hated it so much. Buddy of mine convinced me to give it one more try, and holy crap, once the stringbed loosened up a bit, it was amazing. Control went way up, spin went way up, I was hitting big from both sides, landing drop volleys everywhere. I felt like a dang rock star.

Strung up the second racquet last night with BHB7 and Cyberflash crosses at 50lbs this time. Won't have time to hit for a while but man, I haven't strung in the low 50's in years. I may try to go into the 40's.
 

tpro2000

Rookie
Random funny thought. We all have our personal tension ranges we like for certain racquet/strings. Here some stats from this past week's pro tournaments:

Marseille: lowest tension 20kg, highest 28kg (62)

Delray Open: lowest 14kg (most likely a dubs player), highest 25kg (55#).

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emhtennis

Rookie
I've strung my TC97 18x20 at 46lbs and like it after about 3hrs. I'm going to go with 45 or maybe even 44lbs next time. String is MSV Focus Hex 1.18

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