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haqq777

Legend
For what it’s worth I had the V1 (Vantage) version and it did have the issue that Joohan referred to. It was fine until I got golfers elbow from a head racquet and then the v1 tended to aggrevate it. I was too chicken to go for the Ra70 at the time as I couldn’t demo it and moved to a Yonex dual g which was fine though stiffer. Glad to hear the Ra70 doesn’t suffer that so it’s tempting to come back into the fold as am looking around for a change again.


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I see. Actually V1 Angell was the gunmetal paint job with white graphics. Those were the very first Angells after they transitioned from Vantage brand (Vantages were just called as Vantages). And I have had absolutely no buzzing or vibration issues with 63RA versions. I had a V1 TC100 as well (in fact was my first Angell which I purchased from @topspn years ago). No vibration issue at all. After that I went through at least a dozen V2 versions from different batches, never had one buzz or virlbrate on me. Have been sharing photos and updates on this thread for a long time now, as you probably know. I always used fresh string setup and strung in the 48-52 lbs range though and most here, I notice, keep using old polys with string jobs some as old as from previous seasons.

I currently own one V2 TC100 70RA, three V2 TC100 63RA, two V3 TC100 70RA, and 3 V3 TC97 18X20. Not a single one buzzes or sends vibrations. Zero complaints from me. And I am not even using Angells as my main sticks (using my Babs this season).
 

Rui Lopes

Rookie
I see. Actually V1 Angell was the gunmetal paint job with white graphics. Those were the very first Angells after they transitioned from Vantage brand (Vantages were just called as Vantages). And I have had absolutely no buzzing or vibration issues with 63RA versions. I had a V1 TC100 as well (in fact was my first Angell which I purchased from @topspn years ago). No vibration issue at all. After that I went through at least a dozen V2 versions from different batches, never had one buzz or virlbrate on me. Have been sharing photos and updates on this thread for a long time now, as you probably know. I always used fresh string setup and strung in the 48-52 lbs range though and most here, I notice, keep using old polys with string jobs some as old as from previous seasons.

I currently own one V2 TC100 70RA, three V2 TC100 63RA, two V3 TC100 70RA, and 3 V3 TC97 18X20. Not a single one buzzes or sends vibrations. Zero complaints from me. And I am not even using Angells as my main sticks (using my Babs this season).
If you are using babolats and are ok with that **** , than you have to be great with any Angell , either they have some defect or not...
 

haqq777

Legend
If you are using babolats and are ok with that **** , than you have to be great with any Angell , either they have some defect or not...
Actually, I have a vast pallet when it comes to tennis racquets so it's not like I am used to Babolats alone. I used Phantoms for a long time when they were released, as well as older, flexy sticks like MG Prestiges, PK Redondos etc. Before that, I also used Pure Storms and older Pure Controls that were some of the best Babolat ever made.
 

Faris

Professional
If you are using babolats and are ok with that **** , than you have to be great with any Angell , either they have some defect or not...
Babolats get a bad rep on this forum. They play pretty ok and are what they are. The stereotype that Babolat player doesnt play with touch and feel and isn't sensitive to vibes is absolutely wrong. I have played with @haqq777 here in DC and he is a great player. Im a lowly 4.0 myself but he beat a local 5.0 in my club in straight sets and you can tell he played college tennis. You can't get to that high a level and not be sensitive to how a racquet plays.
 

redmini

Semi-Pro
I see. Actually V1 Angell was the gunmetal paint job with white graphics. Those were the very first Angells after they transitioned from Vantage brand (Vantages were just called as Vantages). And I have had absolutely no buzzing or vibration issues with 63RA versions. I had a V1 TC100 as well (in fact was my first Angell which I purchased from @topspn years ago). No vibration issue at all. After that I went through at least a dozen V2 versions from different batches, never had one buzz or virlbrate on me. Have been sharing photos and updates on this thread for a long time now, as you probably know. I always used fresh string setup and strung in the 48-52 lbs range though and most here, I notice, keep using old polys with string jobs some as old as from previous seasons.

I currently own one V2 TC100 70RA, three V2 TC100 63RA, two V3 TC100 70RA, and 3 V3 TC97 18X20. Not a single one buzzes or sends vibrations. Zero complaints from me. And I am not even using Angells as my main sticks (using my Babs this season).
Good to know. I only noticed the issue with mine once I had the golfers elbow as up to then it was very arm friendly. Had the same issue with a yonex DR98 at the time too but not with some firmer frames. By then it was pretty old, though the strings weren’t so maybe the frame was just old and knackered like me! The tc100 63RA used to be higher swing weight than the RA70, but that’s meant to have changed with the v3. I go for frames in the 300-305g unstrung weight and 32cm-ish balance and play mostly doubles. Can you comment on how a TC100 RA70 plays compared to the RA63 at that sort of weight spec? (Otherwise after demos I’ll probably go for a Gravity or one of the current 100” Yonex offerings (tried and like them all but for different reasons).


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jdeloach

Hall of Fame
Hello
Does Paul still get in here? I am a friend from waaayyyy back and would love to see how he is doing after I saw the post about his health. He is an amazing man and pray he will be back to his brilliant self again soon.


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itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
Does anyone know a recent estimate on how long it takes to get your racquet in the US after ordering? I have the tough job of patiently waiting on my new racquet.
Has anyone tried Luxilon Element in a TC100? I want to give it a try because of the color combination with the V3s.

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During Christmas I ordered two sticks, and both of em got to my door in about less than two weeks.

I gotta say though, that was a looooong two weeks
 

JLaw516

New User
I got an email earlier today that it was completed and shipped. Estimated delivery is scheduled tomorrow. Seems incredibly fast for shipping. Placed my order on Sunday.

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haqq777

Legend
Good to know. I only noticed the issue with mine once I had the golfers elbow as up to then it was very arm friendly. Had the same issue with a yonex DR98 at the time too but not with some firmer frames. By then it was pretty old, though the strings weren’t so maybe the frame was just old and knackered like me! The tc100 63RA used to be higher swing weight than the RA70, but that’s meant to have changed with the v3. I go for frames in the 300-305g unstrung weight and 32cm-ish balance and play mostly doubles. Can you comment on how a TC100 RA70 plays compared to the RA63 at that sort of weight spec? (Otherwise after demos I’ll probably go for a Gravity or one of the current 100” Yonex offerings (tried and like them all but for different reasons).


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Ah, gotchya. Hope your GE is better, those things take a while to heal fully too.

Yes, the V2 TC100 with 63RA were considerably higher swingweight compared to V2 TC100 with 70RA, unless you specifically requested Paul for a lower swingweight one but that was rare, as Paul told me.

To give you an idea, for V3 TC100 63RA, the strung swingweight probably dropped by maybe 4 or 5 points compared to V2 TC100 63RA. My V2 TC100 were 332/333 swingweight. My V3 TC100 are 327/328 ish. All stock at 310g/315mm option.

For the 70 RA, you'll find the them to be a tad crisper at same specs, a little less stable (easily solved with adding weight to hoop) and quick to move through the air. For net play, I will still give the edge to 63RA because it feels more stable and solid. In the end though, I think it is personal preference really.
 

Rui Lopes

Rookie
Babolats get a bad rep on this forum. They play pretty ok and are what they are. The stereotype that Babolat player doesnt play with touch and feel and isn't sensitive to vibes is absolutely wrong. I have played with @haqq777 here in DC and he is a great player. Im a lowly 4.0 myself but he beat a local 5.0 in my club in straight sets and you can tell he played college tennis. You can't get to that high a level and not be sensitive to how a racquet plays.
I´m not talking about payability. Babolats are the easy rackets to play , that´s why all beginners make a big jump in their game after they start playing with a Babolat. But those rackets are **** to your arm and they favour the development of bad strokes...
The discussion was about feeling some bad vibrations on some Angell rackets , and what i ´ve said is that if you are ok with the vibrations of that Babolats crap , then you will never feel anything wrong in an Angell...
 

Rui Lopes

Rookie
Ah, gotchya. Hope your GE is better, those things take a while to heal fully too.

Yes, the V2 TC100 with 63RA were considerably higher swingweight compared to V2 TC100 with 70RA, unless you specifically requested Paul for a lower swingweight one but that was rare, as Paul told me.

To give you an idea, for V3 TC100 63RA, the strung swingweight probably dropped by maybe 4 or 5 points compared to V2 TC100 63RA. My V2 TC100 were 332/333 swingweight. My V3 TC100 are 327/328 ish. All stock at 310g/315mm option.

For the 70 RA, you'll find the them to be a tad crisper at same specs, a little less stable (easily solved with adding weight to hoop) and quick to move through the air. For net play, I will still give the edge to 63RA because it feels more stable and solid. In the end though, I think it is personal preference really.
Ah, gotchya. Hope your GE is better, those things take a while to heal fully too.

Yes, the V2 TC100 with 63RA were considerably higher swingweight compared to V2 TC100 with 70RA, unless you specifically requested Paul for a lower swingweight one but that was rare, as Paul told me.

To give you an idea, for V3 TC100 63RA, the strung swingweight probably dropped by maybe 4 or 5 points compared to V2 TC100 63RA. My V2 TC100 were 332/333 swingweight. My V3 TC100 are 327/328 ish. All stock at 310g/315mm option.

For the 70 RA, you'll find the them to be a tad crisper at same specs, a little less stable (easily solved with adding weight to hoop) and quick to move through the air. For net play, I will still give the edge to 63RA because it feels more stable and solid. In the end though, I think it is personal preference really.
Yep ,
Paul confirmed me that my 2 V3 TC97 were 4 points lower in swingweight than my V2 TC97. It has to do with the new paint job being less complicated on the 3 and 9 positions.
That´s what he told me...
 

tpro2000

Rookie
I got an email earlier today that it was completed and shipped. Estimated delivery is scheduled tomorrow. Seems incredibly fast for shipping. Placed my order on Sunday.

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Yeah - when I got mine it was like a few days to "build" for a TC95 and a TC90 for my coworker but it was overnight shipping after that. Pretty cool!
 

Faris

Professional
I´m not talking about payability. Babolats are the easy rackets to play , that´s why all beginners make a big jump in their game after they start playing with a Babolat. But those rackets are **** to your arm and they favour the development of bad strokes...
The discussion was about feeling some bad vibrations on some Angell rackets , and what i ´ve said is that if you are ok with the vibrations of that Babolats crap , then you will never feel anything wrong in an Angell...
You do know that older Babs felt really good, right? If you don't know what I am referring to, pick up a PSGT LTD. Very much a players racquet. Also, they made racquets close to player's racquets specs till not too long ago as well.

Second, I disagree about player developing bad strokes using Babolats. This topic has been beaten to death with a stick. If you take lessons and fundamentals are taught properly, you don't develop bad strokes regardless of racquet. That is like saying heavier racquets stop you from developing bad strokes. Quote the opposite, you start abbreviating swings to cope with heavy weight and your mechanics get shot. You will also injure your shoulder and if you try hitting heavy topspin modern strokes with old heavy racquets. Just because a racquet is heavy doesn't mean it makes your strokes fundamentals correct. Lessons. That is the key.

Third, if you are insinuating they are easy to play racquets for beginners, I suggest you look at higher level players using them. Plenty of those people around in all walks of the game.

And that is why I said, this is a very stereotypical look at Babolats and modern game. I certainly don't agree with that take. If Babolats were so **** like you keep on saying, you'd think they wouldn't be popular and best sellers in current market.

Also, as I said, the guy is a high level player who can feels everything. To suggest that since he plays with Babolats he will somehow be okay with Angells vibrating is flawed. He just told you in a post above that he has played with all sorts of racquets and knows feedbacks. How can you impose on him what he feels and doesn't feel?
 

haqq777

Legend
The discussion was about feeling some bad vibrations on some Angell rackets , and what i ´ve said is that if you are ok with the vibrations of that Babolats crap , then you will never feel anything wrong in an Angell...
Do you think that simply because I play with Babolats this season, I will forget how Angells played or I will become insensitive to their feedback? Quite naive.
 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
You do know that older Babs felt really good, right? If you don't know what I am referring to, pick up a PSGT LTD. Very much a players racquet. Also, they made racquets close to player's racquets specs till not too long ago as well.

Second, I disagree about player developing bad strokes using Babolats. This topic has been beaten to death with a stick. If you take lessons and fundamentals are taught properly, you don't develop bad strokes regardless of racquet. That is like saying heavier racquets stop you from developing bad strokes. Quote the opposite, you start abbreviating swings to cope with heavy weight and your mechanics get shot. You will also injure your shoulder and if you try hitting heavy topspin modern strokes with old heavy racquets. Just because a racquet is heavy doesn't mean it makes your strokes fundamentals correct. Lessons. That is the key.

Third, if you are insinuating they are easy to play racquets for beginners, I suggest you look at higher level players using them. Plenty of those people around in all walks of the game.

And that is why I said, this is a very stereotypical look at Babolats and modern game. I certainly don't agree with that take. If Babolats were so **** like you keep on saying, you'd think they wouldn't be popular and best sellers in current market.

Also, as I said, the guy is a high level player who can feels everything. To suggest that since he plays with Babolats he will somehow be okay with Angells vibrating is flawed. He just told you in a post above that he has played with all sorts of racquets and knows feedbacks. How can you impose on him what he feels and doesn't feel?
Agree with all of your post. I am currently a 4.0 and taking lessons with multiple very good tennis pros and every one of them thinks that this whole "light racquets lead to bad strokes" is dated and old school thinking. Its not like heavier racquets magically fix your form. For a rec player he/she will either arm the ball or move to a racquet that helps him generate better ball if uncoached. If properly coached, he/she will use any racquet correctly. That is why coaching and lessons are fundamental in developing good technique. Let me tell you, you can develop bad technique with both a 13oz frame or a 10 oz one.
 

sanister

Semi-Pro
You do know that older Babs felt really good, right? If you don't know what I am referring to, pick up a PSGT LTD. Very much a players racquet. Also, they made racquets close to player's racquets specs till not too long ago as well.

Second, I disagree about player developing bad strokes using Babolats. This topic has been beaten to death with a stick. If you take lessons and fundamentals are taught properly, you don't develop bad strokes regardless of racquet. That is like saying heavier racquets stop you from developing bad strokes. Quote the opposite, you start abbreviating swings to cope with heavy weight and your mechanics get shot. You will also injure your shoulder and if you try hitting heavy topspin modern strokes with old heavy racquets. Just because a racquet is heavy doesn't mean it makes your strokes fundamentals correct. Lessons. That is the key.

Third, if you are insinuating they are easy to play racquets for beginners, I suggest you look at higher level players using them. Plenty of those people around in all walks of the game.

And that is why I said, this is a very stereotypical look at Babolats and modern game. I certainly don't agree with that take. If Babolats were so **** like you keep on saying, you'd think they wouldn't be popular and best sellers in current market.

Also, as I said, the guy is a high level player who can feels everything. To suggest that since he plays with Babolats he will somehow be okay with Angells vibrating is flawed. He just told you in a post above that he has played with all sorts of racquets and knows feedbacks. How can you impose on him what he feels and doesn't feel?
Agree with all of your post. I am currently a 4.0 and taking lessons with multiple very good tennis pros and every one of them thinks that this whole "light racquets lead to bad strokes" is dated and old school thinking. Its not like heavier racquets magically fix your form. For a rec player he/she will either arm the ball or move to a racquet that helps him generate better ball if uncoached. If properly coached, he/she will use any racquet correctly. That is why coaching and lessons are fundamental in developing good technique. Let me tell you, you can develop bad technique with both a 13oz frame or a 10 oz one.
I agree with you guys. Just my quick two cents here on a sidenote as I know this is an Angell thread and discussion should be mostly on that.

My son is a freshman tennis player for a division one school in mid west with a good tennis program. I have traveled with him a lot through the course of him starting tennis as a kid until he chose his school, met with numerous college parents, attended tournaments, met lots of coaches, met staff at events, you name it (if you know the tennis woes of parents you'll know this traveling bit is a big one). His coach I hired during high school is a great guy who worked directly under Adam Steinberg, Michigan's Head Tennis coach. Anyway, let me tell you, not once have I seen any these college kids using heavier old school control racquets so so popular here on TW forum. Its either Babolats, Radicals, or Blades. Maybe Yonex in last two years. My son's current head coach and I were discussing this just a few months back and he also said that these types of racquets are conducive to modern game style and every kid who has to survive, has to hit big and heavy. And as for technique, I can't even begin to tell you how good these college kids are these days. They all learned on light modern sticks and they all have beautiful modern technique. Tweener type racquets aren't giving them bad strokes or making their tennis form poor. In fact they are helping them play the modern game better.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Cool , that´s what i need. Can you compare it with other poly? or it´s one of a kind?
It's just a great round poly. I found it to play really well. I executed all my strokes well and it gave me the confidence to go for my shots and aim near the lines.

The only string I have had a problem with (and I can't explain why) was Tourna Big Hitter Black 7. For some reason, I just couldn't serve properly or control my shots. That night that I tried it, the racquet was freshly strung and it was a racquet I used before (a Prestige MP), but I could not hit my shots if my life depended on it. Since we were playing doubles, and I felt bad for my partner, I changed to the same racquet strung with a different string and immediately I was nailing all my shots and had no problems for the rest of the night (even after I pulled out several different racquets from the bag, so it wasn't even that I was having a bad night).

The reason I mentioned this is that I play ok with most strings. The MSV Co-Focus 1.18mm was a very good string and at the price point rises to excellent for me. It doesn't have as much spin as a Weiss Cannon Ultra Cable (which I also like very much, but due to the thickness of the string and therefore the added weight to the string bed, I would only use in open string patterns), or a Weiss Cannon Red Ghost, or Tecnifibre Black Code 4S, but in my Angell TC95 63RA 18x20 it was a string with which I could hit any shot I thought of, and I could boss my opponent around (or hang with a very good opponent). I didn't feel like it had many (if any) flaws.
 
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Rui Lopes

Rookie
It's just a great round poly. I found it to play really well. I executed all my strokes well and it gave me the confidence to go for my shots and aim near the lines.

The only string I have had a problem with (and I can't explain why) was Tourna Big Hitter Black 7. For some reason, I just couldn't serve properly or control my shots. That night that I tried it, the racquet was freshly strung and it was a racquet I used before (a Prestige MP), but I could not hit my shots if my life depended on it. Since we were playing doubles, and I felt bad for my partner, I changed to the same racquet strung with a different string and immediately I was nailing all my shots and had no problems for the rest of the night (even after I pulled out several different racquets from the bag, so it wasn't even that I was having a bad night.

The reason I mentioned this is that I play ok with most strings. The MSV Co-Focus 1.18mm was a very good string and at the price point rises to excellent for me. It doesn't have as much spin as a Weiss Cannon Ultra Cable (which I also like very much, but due to the thickness of the string and therefore the added weight to the string bed, I would only use in open string patterns), or a Weiss Cannon Red Ghost, or Tecnifibre Black Code 4S, but in my Angell TC95 63RA 18x20 it was a string with which I could hit any shot I thought of, and I could boss my opponent around (or hang with a very good opponent). I didn't feel like it had many (if any) flaws.
Great , thats what i look for in a string. Will try it for shure...
The TW Lab gives a low stifeness to the Ultra Cable , but people seem not to look at it as that soft. What do you think in terms of Confort?.
And i´ve tried the Black Code 4S once , it seemed ok in terms of confort but the TW Lab scares people with it stifnnes. How was the confort of those two for you? I suppose the Red Ghost it´s confy , wright?
 

topspn

Legend
I agree with you guys. Just my quick two cents here on a sidenote as I know this is an Angell thread and discussion should be mostly on that.

My son is a freshman tennis player for a division one school in mid west with a good tennis program. I have traveled with him a lot through the course of him starting tennis as a kid until he chose his school, met with numerous college parents, attended tournaments, met lots of coaches, met staff at events, you name it (if you know the tennis woes of parents you'll know this traveling bit is a big one). His coach I hired during high school is a great guy who worked directly under Adam Steinberg, Michigan's Head Tennis coach. Anyway, let me tell you, not once have I seen any these college kids using heavier old school control racquets so so popular here on TW forum. Its either Babolats, Radicals, or Blades. Maybe Yonex in last two years. My son's current head coach and I were discussing this just a few months back and he also said that these types of racquets are conducive to modern game style and every kid who has to survive, has to hit big and heavy. And as for technique, I can't even begin to tell you how good these college kids are these days. They all learned on light modern sticks and they all have beautiful modern technique. Tweener type racquets aren't giving them bad strokes or making their tennis form poor. In fact they are helping them play the modern game better.
The one caveat i have with tweeners is stiffness and if your arm can handle it, no argument on playability.
 

sanister

Semi-Pro
The one caveat i have with tweeners is stiffness and if your arm can handle it, no argument on playability.
Yeah, for sure. I know so many who like the opposite of soft and noodly and gravitate to stiffer tweener type racquets. Matter of preference really. And if arm is good with that, I say enjoy!
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Great , thats what i look for in a string. Will try it for shure...
The TW Lab gives a low stifeness to the Ultra Cable , but people seem not to look at it as that soft. What do you think in terms of Confort?.
And i´ve tried the Black Code 4S once , it seemed ok in terms of confort but the TW Lab scares people with it stifnnes. How was the confort of those two for you? I suppose the Red Ghost it´s confy , wright?
I found the Ultra Cable very comfortable... mine was strung in a Yonex RDiS 100 MP (16x19) @ 47 Mains/ 44 Crosses. This was a tad too low... still had plenty of directional and depth control as well as loads of spin, but could have been just a bit tighter. Next time I'll string the racquet at 48M/45C or 49M/46C.

The Black Code 4S is stiffer in comparison, but still comfortable.

Red Ghost is very comfortable, but I think the Ultra Cable is softer or more muted... they have a different feel. Because the Red Ghost is not as thick I can use it in more racquets.
 

tennis347

Professional
The one caveat i have with tweeners is stiffness and if your arm can handle it, no argument on playability.
Totally agree, arm health first. You certainly get easier power and spin with the modern tweener but I still believe that you lose feel. But today's game is all about power and spin. IMO it adds another dimension to your game if you the touch shots in your arsenal.
 

Rui Lopes

Rookie
I found the Ultra Cable very comfortable... mine was strung in a Yonex RDiS 100 MP (16x19) @ 47 Mains/ 44 Crosses. This was a tad too low... still had plenty of directional and depth control as well as loads of spin, but could have been just a bit tighter. Next time I'll string the racquet at 48M/45C or 49M/46C.

The Black Code 4S is stiffer in comparison, but still comfortable.

Red Ghost is very comfortable, but I think the Ultra Cable is softer or more muted... they have a different feel. Because the Red Ghost is not as thick I can use it in more racquets.
Cool. Thanks for the help.
What about Cyclone Tour? Have you tried it? Is it really softer than all of the above?
 

topspn

Legend
Yeah, for sure. I know so many who like the opposite of soft and noodly and gravitate to stiffer tweener type racquets. Matter of preference really. And if arm is good with that, I say enjoy!
Yeah, but it doesn’t have to be either extreme. I have a V7 blade in my bag and no issue at all with comfort. I also play a TC100 70RA but it is again very comfortable and brings some of that tweener playability. Also have the new yonex ezone 100, another tweener like frame with comfort.
 

topspn

Legend
Totally agree, arm health first. You certainly get easier power and spin with the modern tweener but I still believe that you lose feel. But today's game is all about power and spin. IMO it adds another dimension to your game if you the touch shots in your arsenal.
As i mentioned above, there are some good compromises out there for more tweener playability with comfort ;)
 

sanister

Semi-Pro
Yeah, but it doesn’t have to be either extreme. I have a V7 blade in my bag and no issue at all with comfort. I also play a TC100 70RA but it is again very comfortable and brings some of that tweener playability. Also have the new yonex ezone 100, another tweener like frame with comfort.
And to add, Ezone 100 is 69 RA strung btw. So that is why I always suggest to play with racquet and see how arm feels. Sometimes even the more stiffer racquets on paper can feel ok on arm and play comfortable, varies so much from player to player. The new Pure Aero is 66 or 67 strung RA on paper. Plays pretty comfortable. The last iteration of Aeropro Drive was a winner as well in that regard. Same high sixties RA strung. Blades are a good example like you said. And I own a 70RA TC100, that is magnificent too. In the end I believe the one using the racquet is the best judge, not someone sitting online suggesting arbitrarily that some racquets are crap and some are nice. So many racquets out in the market, best way is to demo if you know your desired specs already. Usually unless you are a beginner, you know what you gravitate towards.
 

haqq777

Legend
Yeah, but it doesn’t have to be either extreme. I have a V7 blade in my bag and no issue at all with comfort. I also play a TC100 70RA but it is again very comfortable and brings some of that tweener playability. Also have the new yonex ezone 100, another tweener like frame with comfort.
How are you like the new Ezone 100 btw? Yonex makes such great quality sticks. Can you do perhaps a quick comparison with your TC100s?
 

topspn

Legend
How are you like the new Ezone 100 btw? Yonex makes such great quality sticks. Can you do perhaps a quick comparison with your TC100s?
For sure, happy to do so. I should be getting the ezone 100 today strung @53lbs with confidential 1.25. I am debating playing a match with it in the morning and not caring about results but test right off the bat in a match :unsure: Also debating if i should try stock first (pretty light) or at least throwing on a leather grip. Give me some time to test out and I’ll do the compare NP
 

haqq777

Legend
For sure, happy to do so. I should be getting the ezone 100 today strung @53lbs with confidential 1.25. I am debating playing a match with it in the morning and not caring about results but test right off the bat in a match :unsure: Also debating if i should try stock first (pretty light) or at least throwing on a leather grip. Give me some time to test out and I’ll do the compare NP
Great. FWIW I liked the Solinco Confidential string in 1.25. Easy ball depth, and placement. Spin was fairly decent. Good comfort. It is definitely more muted that Cyclone and similar strings.
 

topspn

Legend
Great. FWIW I liked the Solinco Confidential string in 1.25. Easy ball depth, and placement. Spin was fairly decent. Good comfort. It is definitely more muted that Cyclone and similar strings.
I have been playing revolution and S7T on the TC100. Hopefully confidential doesn’t have the muted hyper-g sensation. Anyway, different racquet altogether so I’ll just see how that combo feels.
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
TC95 was back in action last night. Grey with the Gamma Fat Core synthetic and the Grey/Black with Gamma Professional multi. Even with all the string movement, the shots were predictable. One thing that I enjoy about synthetics is that it keeps you honest.
 

itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
While some of us are talking about strings, any opinions on Yonex Poly Tour Pro? I see it recommended all the time but would like to see some Angell users' inputs on it.
 

ChrisG

Rookie
While some of us are talking about strings, any opinions on Yonex Poly Tour Pro? I see it recommended all the time but would like to see some Angell users' inputs on it.
It happens that I’m currently testing it on my TC95 16x19 63Ra. 1.25 yellow @23kg.
I mainly hit with Tier1 Black knight for a year, and wanted to try new things.
I’m very positive about PTP, great control, enough power (in this pretty powerful frame), confort seems to be here too, spin is very good for my play style ( I hit flat from attacking position but I’m confortable with some spinning help in rallies), strings don’t’ move, tension maintenance is good.
I only noticed that the first hour is very dull, then all said above come to life.
I don’t know if this bad first hour is my fault (I played very badly also that day) or not. I played 3 competitive matches and apart from the first the others were truly magnificent.
I’m planning to test the 1.20 gauge, as I’m not a string breaker. Might be too thin for my open pattern?
 

Rui Lopes

Rookie
While some of us are talking about strings, any opinions on Yonex Poly Tour Pro? I see it recommended all the time but would like to see some Angell users' inputs on it.
For the price it´s great. To me the worst thing it´s the poor ball grab on some shotes , sometimes it feels like the ball slips on the stringbed , but for the price it´s really great. For my TC97 , 51 or 53 tension it´s great , but give it some time to settle in...
And the yellow it´s much better than the black...
 

esm

Hall of Fame
Quick q - with some Yonex talks here. Can I ask which from the Angell range is the closest to the 2017 Ezone 98 (either the blue or green version). Thanks.
 

itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
It happens that I’m currently testing it on my TC95 16x19 63Ra. 1.25 yellow @23kg.
I mainly hit with Tier1 Black knight for a year, and wanted to try new things.
I’m very positive about PTP, great control, enough power (in this pretty powerful frame), confort seems to be here too, spin is very good for my play style ( I hit flat from attacking position but I’m confortable with some spinning help in rallies), strings don’t’ move, tension maintenance is good.
I only noticed that the first hour is very dull, then all said above come to life.
I don’t know if this bad first hour is my fault (I played very badly also that day) or not. I played 3 competitive matches and apart from the first the others were truly magnificent.
I’m planning to test the 1.20 gauge, as I’m not a string breaker. Might be too thin for my open pattern?
I've actually read a few reviews that said the strings got better after the first hour. Interesting.

I think I'll buy a reel. Everyone's favorite Rainforest Retailer has a reel of the 1.25 yellow for about 85 bucks shipped.
 

topspn

Legend
It happens that I’m currently testing it on my TC95 16x19 63Ra. 1.25 yellow @23kg.
I mainly hit with Tier1 Black knight for a year, and wanted to try new things.
I’m very positive about PTP, great control, enough power (in this pretty powerful frame), confort seems to be here too, spin is very good for my play style ( I hit flat from attacking position but I’m confortable with some spinning help in rallies), strings don’t’ move, tension maintenance is good.
I only noticed that the first hour is very dull, then all said above come to life.
I don’t know if this bad first hour is my fault (I played very badly also that day) or not. I played 3 competitive matches and apart from the first the others were truly magnificent.
I’m planning to test the 1.20 gauge, as I’m not a string breaker. Might be too thin for my open pattern?
lol yes pretty thin for open patter TC95
 

OlgaOM

New User
Yep ,
Paul confirmed me that my 2 V3 TC97 were 4 points lower in swingweight than my V2 TC97. It has to do with the new paint job being less complicated on the 3 and 9 positions.
That´s what he told me...
What’s the SW of your V3? Thanks
 

tpro2000

Rookie
Has anyone hit with a TC100 and Prince Phantom 100P (16x18)? My TC100 started at 310g/315mm. Just curious - seems like they're close but idk about the power of the 100P?
 

Rui Lopes

Rookie
What’s the SW of your V3? Thanks
I belive it´s something like 321 strung and stock. With the lead tape on the handle and head its 340g weight and 343 swingweight...Takes some time to adjust after a break to recover from TE , but it won´t take long , and as soon as i can swing that baby easly , the bombs are dropping like rain...
 

itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
I'm also kinda curious as to what my v3 TC97 swingweight is. Mine are 320g/310mm balance unstrung, no lead, but I use head tape and an overgrip.
 

haqq777

Legend
Quick q - with some Yonex talks here. Can I ask which from the Angell range is the closest to the 2017 Ezone 98 (either the blue or green version). Thanks.
The Ezone 98 are slightly stiff in the upper hoop on ball contact, crisp playing and you can feel the throat flex on big swings. Still very comfy though.

TW agrees as well. This is from their description:

Additional updates include the use of a hyper modulus graphite (Hyper-MG) in the upper hoop. The upshot, according to Yonex, is less frame bending at impact, resulting in greater energy transfer to the ball. As a result, this racquet feels a tad firmer (especially in the upper hoop).


I don't think you'll find a good similarity with any particular Angell feedback, in all honesty. This is because the 95 and 100 are 'D' beams with uniform flex and the TC97 has an old school sort of hoop flex (think Classic Prestige or Phantoms). I think you will find the 'D' beams Angell offering more similar in feedback (more uniform flex from above handle) if you were to insist on a comparison. As opposed to very clear hoop flex of the box beam TC97.
 

haqq777

Legend
I'm also kinda curious as to what my v3 TC97 swingweight is. Mine are 320g/310mm balance unstrung, no lead, but I use head tape and an overgrip.
V3 TC97 have an average of 295 unstrung swingweight, as per Paul. With new manufacturing process, there is more consistency and tighter tolerances. With V2 versions you could find hairpins with bigger variations.

Also, Angell TC lines static weight and balance are adjusted by weight in the pallets. Hairpins are the same for all configurations in same line. So regardless of configuration, as long as the racquet is standard length (27 inches) they will have same swingweight.

For example, the 300g and 310g TC97 with 9pt HL and 6pt HL balance will have the same swingweight, just different weights in handle which determine their balance. Weight placement in handle has minimal affect on swingweight.

Hope that helps.
 
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