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esm

Hall of Fame
Thanks guys. Looks like the D beam Angell is closer in similarity. That is good as I have more experience with the D beam (TC100 and TC95).
just intrigued with the Ezone range as I have seen quite a few times recently from various threads and also currently going through the 98 size phase.... hence the question.
 

Rui Lopes

Rookie
The Ezone 98 are slightly stiff in the upper hoop on ball contact, crisp playing and you can feel the throat flex on big swings. Still very comfy though.

TW agrees as well. This is from their description:

Additional updates include the use of a hyper modulus graphite (Hyper-MG) in the upper hoop. The upshot, according to Yonex, is less frame bending at impact, resulting in greater energy transfer to the ball. As a result, this racquet feels a tad firmer (especially in the upper hoop).


I don't think you'll find a good similarity with any particular Angell feedback, in all honesty. This is because the 95 and 100 are 'D' beams with uniform flex and the TC97 has an old school sort of hoop flex (think Classic Prestige or Phantoms). I think you will find the 'D' beams Angell offering more similar in feedback (more uniform flex from above handle) if you were to insist on a comparison. As opposed to very clear hoop flex of the box beam TC97.
Ok i agree , but i use lead on the hoop , and that makes that flex go away...
 

OlgaOM

Rookie
I belive it´s something like 321 strung and stock. With the lead tape on the handle and head its 340g weight and 343 swingweight...Takes some time to adjust after a break to recover from TE , but it won´t take long , and as soon as i can swing that baby easly , the bombs are dropping like rain...
Hmm, it’s a bit weird. Mine is 299 strung as I learned recently, and I believe I have the same specs (310, 9points HL)...
 

ChrisG

Semi-Pro
Hmm, it’s a bit weird. Mine is 299 strung as I learned recently, and I believe I have the same specs (310, 9points HL)...
299 string is impossible. It must be the unstrung SW.
Using the swing tool app, my Tc 95 and 100 are around 345 strung (335g, 33cm balance, 2g @10, 2g@2)
 

Porschkub

New User
My current spec
Head Protour630
a little custom
Weight 350
Balance 32.4
Swing Weight 340
Changed Pallet to Tk82S

I need more spin
I need more power
Thin beam
A little more twist weight

Which one i should try

what do you thinking about
Tc95 16x19 to replace my Protour630
and Pallet style is closest to Head Tk82S
 
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ChrisG

Semi-Pro
I have a PT630 with closed specs, only a bit lighter (343g). I use a TC95 16x19.
They are very different frames, Tc95 will give your exactly what you’re looking for. my only doubt is could it be too much? Maybe tc95 18x20 might be enough in terms of additional spin and power ?
Also people on these boards have compared the box beam TC97 to the PT630, but then it could be too close to what you already have.
Anyways, Tc95 16x19 is an awesome frame, you can’t go wrong
 

Porschkub

New User
I have a PT630 with closed specs, only a bit lighter (343g). I use a TC95 16x19.
They are very different frames, Tc95 will give your exactly what you’re looking for. my only doubt is could it be too much? Maybe tc95 18x20 might be enough in terms of additional spin and power ?
Also people on these boards have compared the box beam TC97 to the PT630, but then it could be too close to what you already have.
Anyways, Tc95 16x19 is an awesome frame, you can’t go wrong
What a difference between 63RA and 70RA
a little power free power ?
 

Rui Lopes

Rookie
Hmm, it’s a bit weird. Mine is 299 strung as I learned recently, and I believe I have the same specs (310, 9points HL)...
It can´t be that low strung. 290 unstrung seems correct , but with strings it has to be at leas very close to 320 swingweight. How did you mesure it?
 

topspn

Legend
Hmm, it’s a bit weird. Mine is 299 strung as I learned recently, and I believe I have the same specs (310, 9points HL)...
I agree with ChrisG, that does not sound like a good measurement. It means an unstrung SW around 269 which is way off
 

topspn

Legend
What a difference between 63RA and 70RA
a little power free power ?
You would think that would be the case, however power seems parallel all things being equal. The V2 the 63RA had a bit more SW so may give tad more weight to your shot, however the V3 seems to have equalized SW so no longer a discernible factor. True difference is in feel with 70RA being a bit firmer feel. The 63RA is not noodly at all and both frames have a uniform flex to them and comfort is not an issue.
 

BBender716

Semi-Pro
I put gut/poly on my TC95 16x19 and hate it. I just blew a bunch of money on the string job and feel like I can't cut it out :( should have just went back to hyper g or two sets of confidential I have.

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sanister

Professional
I put gut/poly on my TC95 16x19 and hate it. I just blew a bunch of money on the string job and feel like I can't cut it out :( should have just went back to hyper g or two sets of confidential I have.

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I actually found the TC95 to be very string sensitive. Any string I put in, the feedback sort of gets amplified for me. I'm guessing if you're used to full bed of poly, you will feel a big difference with gut/poly. I recommend playing with it till you break gut. Maybe you end up gelling with it, who knows! Better than cutting it out and blowing the money.
 

BBender716

Semi-Pro
I actually found the TC95 to be very string sensitive. Any string I put in, the feedback sort of gets amplified for me. I'm guessing if you're used to full bed of poly, you will feel a big difference with gut/poly. I recommend playing with it till you break gut. Maybe you end up gelling with it, who knows! Better than cutting it out and blowing the money.
Yeah it's always super long. I'm used to hyper g full bed.

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sanister

Professional
Yeah it's always super long. I'm used to hyper g full bed.

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I see. Yeah, I'm guessing that spin you get (that brings balls down inside baseline) from full bed of Hyper G isn't translating fully with gut/poly strings hence balls going long. I don't think you'll get more spin with the gut/poly than a full bed of poly like Hyper G. Afraid you'll have to change up tactics if you're a baseline player, and maybe rely more on touch feel type of a game. Just my $0.02
 

Jouke

Semi-Pro
While some of us are talking about strings, any opinions on Yonex Poly Tour Pro? I see it recommended all the time but would like to see some Angell users' inputs on it.
Its my go to string. I love it in my blade. But, I hate it in angells! It just didnt feel good in any angell I played it in. I loved rslyon in my Angell and hated that in my blade. Go figure..
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Yeah it's always super long. I'm used to hyper g full bed.

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This is just a suggestion before you cut the gut out. Since the gut produces more power, try to not hit your shots as hard through the ball, but focus on brushing the ball and coming from low to high with lots of force (I hope I'm making sense). This may still make the ball go a similar depth as with Hyper-G but not sail long.

I'm not sure what tension you had the strings at, but I bought a TC95 63RA 16x19 from the Bay and it had Klip Legend gut (black) in the Mains and Yonex PTP (yellow) in the Crosses @ 53 lbs for both from the sticker on the throat. It played very well, but when I put some extra juice on my shots, I needed to focus on giving it the extra racquet head speed and a real good brush from low to high for the ball to go in. If I did that the shot just rocketed in.

I hope it helps. Pity to waste the gut.
 
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landcookie

Semi-Pro
Hey folks. What's the difference between the D beam of 95/100 and the box beam of 97?

Also, for those who have both the 95 and 100, how do they compare?

Thanks!
 

sanister

Professional
This is just a suggestion before you cut the gut out. Since the gut produces more power, try to not hit your shots as hard through the ball, but focus on brushing the ball and coming from high to low with lots of force (I hope I'm making sense). This may still make the ball go a similar depth as with Hyper-G but not sail long.

I'm not sure what tension you had the strings at, but I bought a TC95 63RA 16x19 from the Bay and it had Klip Legend gut (black) in the Mains and Yonex PTP (yellow) in the Crosses @ 53 lbs for both from the sticker on the throat. It played very well, but when I put some extra juice on my shots, I needed to focus on giving it the extra racquet head speed and a real good brush from high to low for the ball to go in. If I did that the shot just rocketed in.

I hope it helps. Pity to waste the gut.
Surely you mean low to high? As in exaggerating in sort of a windshield wiper stroke? I'm trying to take a mental image of a high to low brush and keep picturing a slap like swat.
 

sanister

Professional
Hey folks. What's the difference between the D beam of 95/100 and the box beam of 97?

Also, for those who have both the 95 and 100, how do they compare?

Thanks!
Quick summary would be that D beams are more powerful and crisper playing. Box beams are more control oriented, hoop flexy feeling and less powerful comparatively. From personal experience, I also find TC97 tad more stable than TC95 (but as stable as TC100). Maybe something to do with twistweight there for TC95 but I don't know the exact physics for that, to be honest. Just how I feel when playing.

Quick comparison between the TC95 and TC100: Well, the TC100 is tad more powerful and lacks the precision and control you get from TC95. It's still a lethal, potent weapon in the right hands.
 

BBender716

Semi-Pro
This is just a suggestion before you cut the gut out. Since the gut produces more power, try to not hit your shots as hard through the ball, but focus on brushing the ball and coming from high to low with lots of force (I hope I'm making sense). This may still make the ball go a similar depth as with Hyper-G but not sail long.

I'm not sure what tension you had the strings at, but I bought a TC95 63RA 16x19 from the Bay and it had Klip Legend gut (black) in the Mains and Yonex PTP (yellow) in the Crosses @ 53 lbs for both from the sticker on the throat. It played very well, but when I put some extra juice on my shots, I needed to focus on giving it the extra racquet head speed and a real good brush from high to low for the ball to go in. If I did that the shot just rocketed in.

I hope it helps. Pity to waste the gut.
Yup I'm going to work at it a bit more. I typically hit very topspin heavy almost to my own detriment (my coach is focusing on having me hit at a lower height above the net consistently). However with gut/poly it's just so tough to gauge. But maybe I'll try exaggerating and even moving to full semiwestern from eastern.

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topspn

Legend
Quick summary would be that D beams are more powerful and crisper playing. Box beams are more control oriented, hoop flexy feeling and less powerful comparatively. From personal experience, I also find TC97 tad more stable than TC95 (but as stable as TC100). Maybe something to do with twistweight there for TC95 but I don't know the exact physics for that, to be honest. Just how I feel when playing.

Quick comparison between the TC95 and TC100: Well, the TC100 is tad more powerful and lacks the precision and control you get from TC95. It's still a lethal, potent weapon in the right hands.
That does some it up nicely and yes due to the oval shape, twist weight is not real high on TC95 but TC100 is wider which inherently gives it a bit more twist weight. If it bothers someone then add a bit of weight to 10&2
 

BBender716

Semi-Pro
That does some it up nicely and yes due to the oval shape, twist weight is not real high on TC95 but TC100 is wider which inherently gives it a bit more twist weight. If it bothers someone then add a bit of weight to 10&2
I have a TC95 that stock is 10pts HL and I applied lead at 9 and 3 for this reason.

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landcookie

Semi-Pro
Quick summary would be that D beams are more powerful and crisper playing. Box beams are more control oriented, hoop flexy feeling and less powerful comparatively. From personal experience, I also find TC97 tad more stable than TC95 (but as stable as TC100). Maybe something to do with twistweight there for TC95 but I don't know the exact physics for that, to be honest. Just how I feel when playing.

Quick comparison between the TC95 and TC100: Well, the TC100 is tad more powerful and lacks the precision and control you get from TC95. It's still a lethal, potent weapon in the right hands.
Thanks for the responses guys.

I currently play with 2xTC 100 @ 27.5 inches (a 63 and 70 RA). It's a monster of a racquet. Recently I went to poly/gut setup and am finding the power hard to manage.

I often wonder how the TC95, or even the TC 97 compares.

Twist weight is important to me and I'm not a fan of putting lead at 10/3 or anywhere but 12. I find it makes the racquet sluggish.
 

topspn

Legend
Thanks for the responses guys.

I currently play with 2xTC 100 @ 27.5 inches (a 63 and 70 RA). It's a monster of a racquet. Recently I went to poly/gut setup and am finding the power hard to manage.

I often wonder how the TC95, or even the TC 97 compares.

Twist weight is important to me and I'm not a fan of putting lead at 10/3 or anywhere but 12. I find it makes the racquet sluggish.
I only play it in a full poly with decent control.
 

sanister

Professional
Thanks for the responses guys.

I currently play with 2xTC 100 @ 27.5 inches (a 63 and 70 RA). It's a monster of a racquet. Recently I went to poly/gut setup and am finding the power hard to manage.

I often wonder how the TC95, or even the TC 97 compares.

Twist weight is important to me and I'm not a fan of putting lead at 10/3 or anywhere but 12. I find it makes the racquet sluggish.
I know its definitely very personal but I much prefer TC97 with gut/poly. But with TC95/100 nothing beats full poly for me. Maybe it is the inherent power levels or control between the two beam shapes
I only play it in a full poly with decent control.
 

landcookie

Semi-Pro
I know its definitely very personal but I much prefer TC97 with gut/poly. But with TC95/100 nothing beats full poly for me. Maybe it is the inherent power levels or control between the two beam shapes
What's a poly that you guys find work with the TC100?
I've tried hyper g, element, RS Lyon, PTS, and a few others with varied success. Next on the list is Cyclone Tour and Adrenaline.

Just love how gut /poly plays though
 

Grieeegoorr

Rookie
I put gut/poly on my TC95 16x19 and hate it. I just blew a bunch of money on the string job and feel like I can't cut it out :( should have just went back to hyper g or two sets of confidential I have.

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Not sure if you want to keep spending money on something that your not gelling with, in an effort to tame the power you could try cutting out the crosses and restringing them a bit tighter or restringing them with a poly that is pretty dead like Kirschbaum Max Power.
 

BBender716

Semi-Pro
Not sure if you want to keep spending money on something that your not gelling with, in an effort to tame the power you could try cutting out the crosses and restringing them a bit tighter or restringing them with a poly that is pretty dead like Kirschbaum Max Power.
I'm not going to KEEP spending money on it. I'll give it a try for 2-3 sessions and figure out if I want to stick with it or revert back to full poly.

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Grieeegoorr

Rookie
I'm not going to KEEP spending money on it. I'll give it a try for 2-3 sessions and figure out if I want to stick with it or revert back to full poly.

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Completely understand, the main reason I brought a stringing machine and learnt to string was because it was getting too expensive when my experiments didn't work out how I had hoped.
 

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
Quick summary would be that D beams are more powerful and crisper playing. Box beams are more control oriented, hoop flexy feeling and less powerful comparatively. From personal experience, I also find TC97 tad more stable than TC95 (but as stable as TC100). Maybe something to do with twistweight there for TC95 but I don't know the exact physics for that, to be honest. Just how I feel when playing.

Quick comparison between the TC95 and TC100: Well, the TC100 is tad more powerful and lacks the precision and control you get from TC95. It's still a lethal, potent weapon in the right hands.
Hate that the last two versions of the Wilson blade aren't D beam, the natural power and stability of that shape was the heart and soul of that frame, imho.

Also, high time there was an 18×19 angell 100 option!
 

topspn

Legend
Hate that the last two versions of the Wilson blade aren't D beam, the natural power and stability of that shape was the heart and soul of that frame, imho.

Also, high time there was an 18×19 angell 100 option!
One of my leagues is doubles and my partner plays an old nBlade and that frame hits beautifully
 

BBender716

Semi-Pro
Completely understand, the main reason I brought a stringing machine and learnt to string was because it was getting too expensive when my experiments didn't work out how I had hoped.
If I were younger Id do the same. Can't explain to the Mrs why I need a stringing machine when I play twice a week lol

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what_army

Rookie
Hi, I am after a few handle weights to rebalance two tc95s that I just acquired - can anyone in Europe hook me up? TIA

(I'll also take any L4B pallets, L4 buttcap, angell leather and tc95 16x19 black grommets).
 

Unchi

Rookie
Has anyone successfully customize Tc101 and make it work? Would love to hear more thoughts on how the frame feels.
Really hope they release the rest of TC line in the Octane paint soon!
Also, any updates on Paul's condition?
 

topspn

Legend
Has anyone successfully customize Tc101 and make it work? Would love to hear more thoughts on how the frame feels.
Really hope they release the rest of TC line in the Octane paint soon!
Also, any updates on Paul's condition?
I assume Paul wants some privacy on his condition so no information.
 

emhtennis

Semi-Pro
Can anyone give a more thorough review of the ASL-2 now that it's been on the market for a few months?

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Unchi

Rookie
I recently played with old Vantage 95 16x19 63ra and these broken-in ones just feel fantastic! strung with rpm blast 17 at 42lbs. They are noticeably softer(less crisp and less powerful) than V2 TC95.
 

what_army

Rookie
I recently played with old Vantage 95 16x19 63ra and these broken-in ones just feel fantastic! strung with rpm blast 17 at 42lbs. They are noticeably softer(less crisp and less powerful) than V2 TC95.
I also have a couple vantages 16x19 63ra and they do feel soft although I only have tc95 v2 70ra to compare to. I strung my vantages with biphase x1 mains and cream crosses which also doesn't help. What I think is even more noticeable when comparing to V2s is the higher swingweight.
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
Hi, I am after a few handle weights to rebalance two tc95s that I just acquired - can anyone in Europe hook me up? TIA

(I'll also take any L4B pallets, L4 buttcap, angell leather and tc95 16x19 black grommets).
THose weights might be tough to come by. I'd just look into tungsten putty
 
Can anyone give a more thorough review of the ASL-2 now that it's been on the market for a few months?

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Angell ASL2

Still liking it. Playable in stock form depending on your style / level, but also room to customize. I’ve mine up at 350g, pretty evenly distributed (balance around 31cm, IIRC). Soft poly feels great right out the gate. Stiffer strings seem to get better with (the strings’) age for me, but I’ve not experimented too much.
 
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