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joohan

Hall of Fame
Maybe not the best thread to ask, I admit, but it looks like Vantage racquets are still up and running? Their website would suggest so.
 

markus666

Rookie
Anyone can compare V3 TC95 16x19 vs Yonex ezone 2020? Very diferent rackets for sure, i had the 18x20 and i had the chance to hit ezone 2020 for 10min, not enought time to make a decision.Pros or cons ?
@topspn maybe you could help me with.
Thanks in advance.
 

topspn

Legend
@markus666 You mean the new ezone 100 to TC95? So as i mentioned on a different thread, I have not hit that much with the ezone yet. Maybe around 3 hours overall and once conditions were pretty crappy outdoor with cold and a seemingly frozen court. Anyway, i have spec’d up my racquet with a leather grip and weight 2, 10 and 12. It is strung with confidential @53lbs and i normally strung TC95 around 48lbs. They are different racquets for sure as the ezone is more tweener territory and certainly quite easy to pick and play. Does everything well as far as i can tell so far and seems firm but confirmable. More in the realm of the 70RA TC95 then 63RA on firm feel. Ezone string pattern is a bit a tighter in the middle so launch angle is more moderate and TC95 is naturally a bit higher. Depending on the specs of your TC95, it can be a serve monster. I like it in 320g/9HL unstrung spec. Ezone is easy to serve with and has some good punch. I liked it on flats down the line and spin serves. I need to spend more time with it and work on kick serves. TC95 kick serves are a pleasure and have a big walllop behind it. Ezone power is pretty good and will challenge TC95 power. Ezone also takes tweener to the next level with a super friendly string bed. Anyway, hope that helps.
 

haqq777

Legend
Hey @topspn I know you weren't a fan of the green PJ when it was released but did you every get to hit with Vcore Pro 100? 100 sq inch head, 8 mains in throat, 21mm constant beam, mid 320s swingweight and mid 60s flex. Looks a bit enticing to me for control-tweener type racquets.
 

topspn

Legend
Hey @topspn I know you weren't a fan of the green PJ when it was released but did you every get to hit with Vcore Pro 100? 100 sq inch head, 8 mains in throat, 21mm constant beam, mid 320s swingweight and mid 60s flex. Looks a bit enticing to me for control-tweener type racquets.
Yep, exactly and I did think about it for exact specs you mention which sound like a good fit for me. I only tried the previous version for a bit. Someone i was hitting with had it in stock form and i hit with it for 20mins or so. It was at least a year ago and I don’t remember string or tension but my impression was, fairly easy to play but more control then tweener power for sure. It had a good feel to it and easy spin, just lacked authority. I was disappointed when i tired it on serves were it really lacked power. I remember having to really swing into the ball to get a decent first serve. It could have been as simple as lack of weight but it didn’t encourage me to try the green. You’re right though in terms of the idea with the specs of this frame
 
Hi folks, so maybe this is the best place to ask this question.

Currently playing with Head Gravity Tour. Absolutely love the way the racquet feels upon impact, it's the perfect combination of flex, power, comfort and overall feel. I also love the way it has a larger sweetspot and the way the head shape is more forgiving (for reference I was shanking way too many shots with my Ultra Tour). What I dislike about the racquet is that it feels really sluggish, because it's head heavy (one sits at 330mm and 325 SW strung, the other at 335mm and 330 SW strung). I've tried fixing this with weight in the handle, it did improve things a lot, but the one that has 330 SW is already above my limit (around 325), even though it clocks 305g. Second thing that I could use is a little bit more spin friendliness.

That being said, would like to know if the TC101 is something I should consider. I just love the Octane paintjob lol... By the way, I've hit with the TC97 and really enjoyed it, but head size is too small and I still shanked too many balls.
I was in the exact situation. was playing with the Head Gravity Tour weighted up to 350gms strungs (to make it headlight) before I tried all the Angell racquets except the TC100 and TC101. I felt the Head Gravity was too powerful for my strokes, I was hitting long more often and this was making me hesitant to make shots. I tried K7 lime first and liked it a lot since it allowed me to make full swings. The I tried TC95 and 97 both 16x19 and 18x20 patterns and settled with the TC97 18x20. I was able to make full swings and the ball would have enough spin and landed in most times once i cleared the net. I was shanking at first too but once getting used to the frame, its amazing to play with especially if things are going your way on a day.

TC 97 has given me the confidence to play more aggressively and still being consistent. I would encourage you to give the TC97 a little more time to see if you can adapt to the head size.
 

haqq777

Legend
BTW @haqq777 the web site longbodies has that racquet in 27.25. Little extended with very interesting specs
Very cool. Will check it out. I tried XL sticks but never really gelled with them. To be fair, I never gave them a thorough run too either. Maybe I should try something a bit extended next time I am on court and give the trial some time. For some reason my OHBH suffers the most. I did love them on serves and could feel the longer reach at times. Also net play was a bit awkward (but I'm awkward at net anyway so who knows). How has your experience been with longer racquets?
 

topspn

Legend
Very cool. Will check it out. I tried XL sticks but never really gelled with them. To be fair, I never gave them a thorough run too either. Maybe I should try something a bit extended next time I am on court and give the trial some time. For some reason my OHBH suffers the most. I did love them on serves and could feel the longer reach at times. Also net play was a bit awkward (but I'm awkward at net anyway so who knows). How has your experience been with longer racquets?
No, I am like you little experience with them and leery how it will effect my OHBH. Only tried a demo once of a PK +5X pro which i thought played well but also felt slower on more hurried or reactions shots. But i am wondering if only a .25 extension then should be easier in that regard.
 
No, I am like you little experience with them and leery how it will effect my OHBH. Only tried a demo once of a PK +5X pro which i thought played well but also felt slower on more hurried or reactions shots. But i am wondering if only a .25 extension then should be easier in that regard.
Yeah I love XL racquets for my first serve but it definitely effects my OHBH and return some... and since it is a strength of my game I just cant give it up. But if Im gonna compete in a 1st serve speed contest XL is gonna be what I take.
 
that K7 looks great - pity it is bit too heavy to start with..... 300g or even 305g would be nicer 8-B
(i have the TC95/95 red grommet on my K7 Red, and it looks pretty cool too)
the k7lime is exactly the look I wanted... unfortunately Im used tho the ra53 16x19 tc95 and just dont want to alter my strokes for a 18x20. otherwise gorgeous
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
He has the TC95 63RA version. He made a typo and i have no idea where you saw him write it twice, I just see one. Angell quote their RA for hairpin so once pallet, grip and string are in, will measure lower but no one has ever reported as low as 53 for the 63RA version.
There's another typo in the sentence two words before the 'ra53,' but I don't know why people have to point stuff like that out, lol.

Back to business, my 63RAs feel like upper 50s strung. I'd prefer it if it were actually 62-63 strung.
 

topspn

Legend
There's another typo in the sentence two words before the 'ra53,' but I don't know why people have to point stuff like that out, lol.

Back to business, my 63RAs feel like upper 50s strung. I'd prefer it if it were actually 62-63 strung.
Oh, I thought he meant, he saw him write RA53 twice :D So that is why i have 70RA version which are closer to 65/66 not quite 63 strung
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Oh, I thought he meant, he saw him write RA53 twice :D So that is why i have 70RA version which are closer to 65/66 not quite 63 strung
I think I'd like the 63RA more if the beam were thicker (21-22mm). After 15 years of tennis, I realize that my first frame (Dunlop 300G) may have had my perfect platform specs (98", 63-65RA, 21.5mm). And it was designed by Paul Angell.

Edit: Just saw in another thread that BC listed the RA as 53 there as well. Maybe his are flexed out.
 
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topspn

Legend
I think I'd like the 63RA more if the beam were thicker (21-22mm). After 15 years of tennis, I realize that my first frame (Dunlop 300G) may have had my perfect platform specs (98", 63-65RA, 21.5mm). And it was designed by Paul Angell.

Edit: Just saw in another thread that BC listed the RA as 53 there as well. Maybe his are flexed out.
As i remember he had two TC95s that he made fairly hefty but i can’t dream how they could be 53 strung that’s pretty noodly territory
 

haqq777

Legend
I've kept my V2 TC100 for almost 4 years now. They were 63RA option. Strung them a lot and even enough times to change grommets on all of them as well. RA never went below 60. Measured on Babolat RDC.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
I've kept my V2 TC100 for almost 4 years now. They were 63RA option. Strung them a lot and even enough times to change grommets on all of them as well. RA never went below 60. Measured on Babolat RDC.
I've always preferred 62-64 RA (but as we all know it's more complex than just a number). Maybe my v3 TC95 18x20s are in fact 63 or close, but I think they're lower.
 
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esm

Hall of Fame
this came via email today.... is that a sign of new things to come (to clear the stock... :unsure:)


For a limited period you can now purchase a matched pair of ASL3 frames for just £200.
Targeted sections of the ASL3 frame are constructed with a layer of active Siloxane to dramatically reduce impact stress and incoming ball speed. This immediate reduction in ball speed means less power is absorbed from the players swing and more pace is loaded onto the outgoing shot.

Unstrung Specifications

Head Size – 100″
String Pattern – 16×19
Weight -295g / 10.4oz
Balance – 325mm / 6 pts HL
Stiffness – 66RA
Swing weight – 285
Length – 27” / 685.8mm
Beam Width – 21mm Hoop to 23mm Shaft
 
He has the TC95 63RA version. He made a typo and i have no idea where you saw him write it twice, I just see one. Angell quote their RA for hairpin so once pallet, grip and string are in, will measure lower but no one has ever reported as low as 53 for the 63RA version.
lol 63 ra, carry on... the #'s are right next to each other for some reason
 
I've always preferred 62-64 RA (but as we all know it's more complex than just a number). Maybe my v3 TC95 18x20s are in fact 63 or close, but I think they're lower.
yeah the RA63 play like 58-59 strung ... years ago somebody got a rating in that zone. Dont remember when or where. but its dynamic flex so to some it will feel stiffer since many judge flex by hoop flex which the TC 95/100 doesnt do as much as throat flex. I judge things by feel (usually on heavy returns when there is a lot of force and dwell time) so the actual ratings dont matter to me. It feels sub 60RA to me.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
yeah the RA63 play like 58-59 strung ... years ago somebody got a rating in that zone. Dont remember when or where. but its dynamic flex so to so4me it will feel stiffer since many judge flex by hoop flex which the TC 95/100 doesnt do as much as throat flex. I judge things by feel (usually on heavy returns when there is a lot of force and dwell time) so the actual ratings dont matter to me. It feels sub 60RA to me.
Couldn't agree more. I felt every bit of the 66 RA of the TC97 18x20 that I bought and hit all of two times. I realize that frame is probably 63/64 strung, and to many it's butter, but to me it was stiff. The best dynamic combo of flex/feel I've ever experienced in a frame was the 2014 PCT, but it didn't produce nearly as menacing a ball as the TC95.
 
Couldn't agree more. I felt every bit of the 66 RA of the TC97 18x20 that I bought and hit all of two times. I realize that frame is probably 63/64 strung, and to many it's butter, but to me it was stiff. The best dynamic combo of flex/feel I've ever experienced in a frame was the 2014 PCT, but it didn't produce nearly as menacing a ball as the TC95.
The TC95 is a menacing beast (here I go again but I havent been too active here lately). One can lay back and hit rally balls with just a little bit of interest added to things to subtly take over a rally or simply wait for the a good candidate ball in the strike zone to pounce upon. The 1-2 punch of subtle pressure and absolute destruction if you have big strokes is just so addictive. Yes other racquets can be like this but Ive never found another that goes from relaxed pressure to punishing with such precision. It's a fun and rare combination.

Now I hope I can still find RS Lyon when the courts are opened up again.
 

haqq777

Legend
yeah the RA63 play like 58-59 strung ... years ago somebody got a rating in that zone. Dont remember when or where. but its dynamic flex so to some it will feel stiffer since many judge flex by hoop flex which the TC 95/100 doesnt do as much as throat flex. I judge things by feel (usually on heavy returns when there is a lot of force and dwell time) so the actual ratings dont matter to me. It feels sub 60RA to me.
Surprisingly none of my TC100 or TC95 (V3 or otherwise) have sub 60 RA and I have yet to play with a D beam that plays or feels like a sub 60 RA. I have about 7 at the moment and have owned over a dozen at one point. All have been measured on Babolat RDC. I even have a V2 TC95 that is 62 RA strung.

For me personally, I can never associate Angell 'D' beam with below 60 RA sort of feedback anyway. That would take away the modern crisp feedback it is pretty popular for. I think while maybe in the sixties is sort of hard to differentiate, a high 50s versus low 60s RA is the easiest to discern. The 'D' beams feel like low sixties which also corresponds with RDC readings I got.

But hey everyone is different so perhaps you feel differently. Just giving you what my racquets read on the RDC that's all.
 

haqq777

Legend
Anyone know the approx RA of the k7Red strung?

It shows 64 unstrung on the website.

Thanks
If it was from earlier batches, it will be high 50s. Mine was 57 strung. I believe @Subaruvich reported same and same for @topspn I believe. But with later batches, it was supposed to be back up to advertised RA in low sixties. Either way, I have not come across from any K7 Red owner complaining about feel/feedback. Everyone who has owned it (earlier batches or newer) swears by its plush feel and feedback.
 

Faris

Professional
Surprisingly none of my TC100 or TC95 (V3 or otherwise) have sub 60 RA and I have yet to play with a D beam that plays or feels like a sub 60 RA. I have about 7 at the moment and have owned over a dozen at one point. All have been measured on Babolat RDC. I even have a V2 TC95 that is 62 RA strung.

For me personally, I can never associate Angell 'D' beam with below 60 RA sort of feedback anyway. That would take away the modern crisp feedback it is pretty popular for. I think while maybe in the sixties is sort of hard to differentiate, a high 50s versus low 60s RA is the easiest to discern. The 'D' beams feel like low sixties which also corresponds with RDC readings I got.

But hey everyone is different so perhaps you feel differently. Just giving you what my racquets read on the RDC that's all.
Agreed. Both of my 63 RA TC95 (one is silver with white lettering original v1 and other is black v2) are 61 RA strung measured on rdc. I also dont feel them to be in high 50s RA as well. They play too crisp for that. The swingweight for both is 333 and 336 strung.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
If it was from earlier batches, it will be high 50s. Mine was 57 strung. I believe @Subaruvich reported same and same for @topspn I believe. But with later batches, it was supposed to be back up to advertised RA in low sixties. Either way, I have not come across from any K7 Red owner complaining about feel/feedback. Everyone who has owned it (earlier batches or newer) swears by its plush feel and feedback.
Thanks. I'm hoping its around 58 to 60. No higher than 62.
 

tennis347

Professional
If it was from earlier batches, it will be high 50s. Mine was 57 strung. I believe @Subaruvich reported same and same for @topspn I believe. But with later batches, it was supposed to be back up to advertised RA in low sixties. Either way, I have not come across from any K7 Red owner complaining about feel/feedback. Everyone who has owned it (earlier batches or newer) swears by its plush feel and feedback.
Absolutely correct! This racquet is a real classic in my mind! It's a such a joy to play with! Definitely has a unique feel compared to the modern racquets made today!
 

tennis347

Professional
Thanks. I'm hoping its around 58 to 60. No higher than 62.
As I said to you earlier, even the new ones have a very flexible feel that plays somewhere 60-62. It something about the materials that give it the very plush feel. Not a bit of vibration and the sweet spot is very forgiving!
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
They are little hard to find used. If you have any arm problems, the K7 Red will be a perfect racquet for you. In my 30 years of playing, the K7 Red is definitely one of most comfortable racquets I have played with. I definitely think it is worth buying one from Angell directly!!
No arm problems here. Just like to have actual feel in my racquet. Unfortunately I'm sponsored by a company that doesn't believe in racquets with feel and I'm forced to use/teach with them at my club. Fortunately they cant control what I play with on my own time :)
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
The TC95 is a menacing beast (here I go again but I havent been too active here lately). One can lay back and hit rally balls with just a little bit of interest added to things to subtly take over a rally or simply wait for the a good candidate ball in the strike zone to pounce upon. The 1-2 punch of subtle pressure and absolute destruction if you have big strokes is just so addictive. Yes other racquets can be like this but Ive never found another that goes from relaxed pressure to punishing with such precision. It's a fun and rare combination.

Now I hope I can still find RS Lyon when the courts are opened up again.
'beast' is a good description of the 16x19. You'd be surprised how much the 18x20 pattern tames the beast, though. My ideal pattern is somewhere between the two, preferably a tighter 16x19, but I'm better with the 18x20 than the current 16x19. My son says I hit a heavier ball with my TC95 18x20 than his MG Radical reissues, but it's mostly a wash to give you an idea. I actually feel like I'm doing more with his Radicals (at least half ounce lighter), but he says it's not so. Another example of how differences in dynamic stiffness can skew perception.

If you can't find RS Lyon, get Tier One Black Knight but string it low, at least a few pounds lower than you string Robin.
 

topspn

Legend
Caught a bit of sunlight down here in Tejas, so I brought the ball machine out for some solo isolated hitting. Went back to poly mains/nylon crosses in my tc97.
Wow I love the sunny weather and birds chirping :D I hit with a buddy today in freaking gale winds:eek: It was so ridiculous ball was flying sideways by yards so I am very jealous of your weather
 

Paulo Braz

Semi-Pro
I played with the TC101 in the 300g configuration (285 sw unstrung). For those who liked tc97, but found the sweetspot small and little spin, it is worth testing the TC101.

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