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NachosLotion

New User
I finally decided to support Paul and the Company a bit by bying an ASL 2 this month. Was looking for a slightly more powerful and stable racket than K7 Red and I think it was a good choise.
It arrived in 5 days to Ukraine and I think it's great considering the circumstances. The racket looks even better than on photos, the PJ is great and high-quality. Some pics of the beauty:





I bought an ASL 2 about 2 months back.

Do you have a buzzing sensation/sound when you hit the ball?

I get that even with a dampener, and it's alot more pronounced when I just bounce the ball with my racket. It's kind of irritating me and making me not want to hit with the racket.....
 

rlau

Hall of Fame
Has anyone tried Angell's PU leather grips? Do they feel significantly different from the traditional Angell leather ones?
The PU leather grips are a hybrid where the leather is covered by a PU layer on top. The PU leather grip therefore feels a bit thicker and more mushy than just ‘plain’ leather. So if you find the regular leather grip a bit too harsh and want a bit more comfortable feel, I would recommend trying the PU leather grip. If you prefer the feedback and feel (but lesser comfort) of a regular leather grip, I'd recommend sticking to that. FWIW, I don't use PU grips, so I prefer leather replacement grips covered with an overgrip.
 

tennis347

Professional
I bought an ASL 2 about 2 months back.

Do you have a buzzing sensation/sound when you hit the ball?

I get that even with a dampener, and it's alot more pronounced when I just bounce the ball with my racket. It's kind of irritating me and making me not want to hit with the racket.....
What kind of string are you using? I have the ASL2 and K7 Red. There's no vibration at all. Use a vibration dampener.
 
My TC100 with the below specs should arrive in a day or two. Any advice on string tension? I typically like to string a racket 23/24kg and use it until it gets down to about 19kg in the cross. Some rackets though are more "string sensitive" than others giving a smaller time when the string bed feels good.
So, with Angell rackets, can I start high or should I go straight for optimal tension?
Edit: full poly is all I use

String Pattern:
16 x 19
Stiffness:
63 RA
Length:
27
Weight / Balance:
320g(11.4oz) / 310mm(10ptsHL)
 
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topspn

Legend
My TC100 with the below specs should arrive in a day or two. Any advice on string tension? I typically like to string a racket 23/24kg and use it until it gets down to about 19kg in the cross. Some rackets though are more "string sensitive" than others giving a smaller time when the string bed feels good.
So, with Angell rackets, can I start high or should I go straight for optimal tension?
Edit: full poly is all I use

String Pattern:
16 x 19
Stiffness:
63 RA
Length:
27
Weight / Balance:
320g(11.4oz) / 310mm(10ptsHL)
It would be helpful to know which poly and gauge you plan on using but start @52lbs and adjust from there.
 
S
Yep, start 52lbs and adjust from there. Also keep in mind TC100 has an open pattern even for 16x19 so you might want to try 1.30mm
So it's not so string sensitive? The last 100in frame I had was a Gravity Pro and that just had a 2kg or 4.4lbs (at best!) Goldilocks zone, you might say.
 

topspn

Legend
S
So it's not so string sensitive? The last 100in frame I had was a Gravity Pro and that just had a 2kg or 4.4lbs (at best!) Goldilocks zone, you might say.
Yeah, if you alter tension by as much as 4lbs you will certainly feel a big difference. I’d change by 1lb up or down when you adjust. Generally, full poly I’d always string between 51-54lbs in this frame.
 
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NachosLotion

New User
What kind of string are you using? I have the ASL2 and K7 Red. There's no vibration at all. Use a vibration dampener.
Biphase in the mains and PTP in the cross. 50/48.

Like I said, it is the same with dampener.
Also have tried many different kinds of dampener including rubber bands as well....
 

tennis347

Professional
Biphase in the mains and PTP in the cross. 50/48.

Like I said, it is the same with dampener.
Also have tried many different kinds of dampener including rubber bands as well....
The vibration could be from the low string tension you are using. What does PTP stand for?
 
I bought an ASL 2 about 2 months back.

Do you have a buzzing sensation/sound when you hit the ball?

I get that even with a dampener, and it's alot more pronounced when I just bounce the ball with my racket. It's kind of irritating me and making me not want to hit with the racket.....
No, absolutely no buzzing sensation/sound with my ASL 2, just a solid feel and a pleasant 'thwack' with a dampener and no discomfort/normal 'ping' without it.
I agree with tennis347's opinion above that your sound probably can be caused by an issue with the strings or dampener. But my tension (46/44, ASL strings pack) is even lower than yours so I doubt that tension is a reason.
Many years ago I faced a similar problem with a strange buzz on a Head LM Radical Tour. It was caused by too long piece of string near the knot that was not cut properly by the stringer and was in contact with another main string. So I can suggest you to look carefully on your knots. Also I had an experience with different rackets when such buzzing sensation on a fresh stringjob just disappeared after 10-15 minutes of play when strings 'settle'.
 
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tennis347

Professional
No, absolutely no buzzing sensation/sound with my ASL 2, just a solid feel and a pleasant 'thwack' with a dampener and no discomfort/normal 'ping' without it.
I agree with tennis347's opinion above that your sound probably can be caused by an issue with the strings or dampener. But my tension (46/44, ASL strings pack) is even lower than yours so I doubt that tension is a reason.
Many years ago I faced a similar problem with a strange buzz on a Head LM Radical Tour. It was caused by too long piece of string near the knot that was not cut properly by the stringer and was in contact with another main string. So I can suggest you to look carefully on your knots. Also I had an experience with different rackets when such buzzing sensation on a fresh stringjob just disappeared after 10-15 minutes of play when strings 'settle'.
Angell makes great racquets! The QC is a lot better than most if not all other racquet manufacturers! Never had any problems with their racquets!
 

Paul Y

Rookie
Yes, absolutely agree! All my Angells are great in this aspects compared to Head, Wilson & Babolat
The Angell's QC is amazing as my son ordered four racquets since he's a competitive junior and is a string breaker so having more than two is very helpful. Out of the four racquets only one of them had a weight difference which was one gram, not much at all and you couldn't tell the difference when playing. Compared to Head which he had contract with previously out of the four racquets, two were off by almost 11 grams.
 
The Angell's QC is amazing as my son ordered four racquets since he's a competitive junior and is a string breaker so having more than two is very helpful. Out of the four racquets only one of them had a weight difference which was one gram, not much at all and you couldn't tell the difference when playing. Compared to Head which he had contract with previously out of the four racquets, two were off by almost 11 grams.
I think 11 g difference between racquets is an epic fail for such a large and famous manufacturer. But they will waste money on marketing rather than organize normal QC :confused:
 

chazz

Rookie
I've been seriously considering getting a TC97 18 x 20 but I'm not sure which weight to get . I would prefer a racquet with a swingweight anywhere from 325 to 330. Which weight and balance would put me in that ballpark?
 

edelp

Rookie
I've been seriously considering getting a TC97 18 x 20 but I'm not sure which weight to get . I would prefer a racquet with a swingweight anywhere from 325 to 330. Which weight and balance would put me in that ballpark?
hi, not easy to get a closed pattern tc97 below 330 SW. I have a low weight one, 300 gr at 32,5cm and SW is 304 (Paul shared the info), so strung SW is easy plus 30 pts. I have a picture of the strung SW
 
Does anyone have info on what the stock swingweight is for a 27.5inch TC 95/100?

I got my TC100s on a customised SW but with Paul's condition they don't seem to do that anymore.

Also, what's the headsize difference between the 95/100 - can anyone who has both compare?

Thanks.
 
Does anyone have info on what the stock swingweight is for a 27.5inch TC 95/100?
I have a 27.5 TC95 as well as a standard one (both 18x20). Here are the strung specs on both (I think the standard one had a color wrap on it when these were measured; both had overgrips and no other mods):

Extended
Static: 345g balance:32.5 Swing:352g

Standard:
Static: 348 Balance: 31.8 Swing:331g
 
I have a 27.5 TC95 as well as a standard one (both 18x20). Here are the strung specs on both (I think the standard one had a color wrap on it when these were measured; both had overgrips and no other mods):

Extended
Static: 345g balance:32.5 Swing:352g

Standard:
Static: 348 Balance: 31.8 Swing:331g
Thanks. Wow. 352? Is this the V3 or V2?
 
The difference in headsize between the 95 and 100 is 5 sq inches. ;)
Mweeh. Great answer. I should've elaborated. There seems to be a consensus that the TC 95 has a larger hoop than a 'standard' 95(whatever that means) and is closer to a 97, hence why I wonder how it compares to the 100.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
I have a 27.5 TC95 as well as a standard one (both 18x20). Here are the strung specs on both (I think the standard one had a color wrap on it when these were measured; both had overgrips and no other mods):

Extended
Static: 345g balance:32.5 Swing:352g

Standard:
Static: 348 Balance: 31.8 Swing:331g
So if extending a racquet 1/2 an inch adds 20 swing weight points, ceteris paribus would a 28" TC95 have a 372 swing weight? Wow indeed! o_O Serious question; I've been wondering for some time about a 28" TC95 or TC97.
 

rlau

Hall of Fame
There seems to be a consensus that the TC 95 has a larger hoop than a 'standard' 95(whatever that means) and is closer to a 97, hence why I wonder how it compares to the 100.
The difference between a TC95 and TC100 is not that big between 3/9 – it's mostly lengthwise, i.e. he TC100's hoop extends more towards the throat of the racquet.
 

rlau

Hall of Fame
I was thinking the 310g/315mm balance would be somewhere in the ballpark of what I'm looking for.
With respect to swingweight, there is no difference between the 330g/305mm spec and the 310g/315mm spec (manufacturing tolerances and differences between individual frames not taken into account), because the additional weight is all in the handle. So getting a racquet in a lighter spec will not matter much in terms of SW for the Angell custom frames.
 

chazz

Rookie
With respect to swingweight, there is no difference between the 330g/305mm spec and the 310g/315mm spec (manufacturing tolerances and differences between individual frames not taken into account), because the additional weight is all in the handle. So getting a racquet in a lighter spec will not matter much in terms of SW for the Angell custom frames.
Good to know. I contacted tennisnerd and he told me the swingweight on the one he reviewed measured right at 330. If I decide to order I'll contact Angell directly and I'm sure I can get one in a swingweight I'm happy with.
 

itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
Alright, I think my honeymoon period with the TC97 is ending... It might just be because I haven't gotten to play consistent tennis over the last few months, but man, this thing was hard to use yesterday. I missed a bunch of easy easy mid court forehands that just dumped right into the net. I also feel like 345g strung may be a tad too hefty for me. Gonna try and take some weight out this weekend and see if I can fine tune her a bit.
 

emhtennis

Rookie
My honeymoon has ended with the 97 as well, but I am still sold on it. My 2nd one is coming tomorrow!

I played out of my mind the first few times I hit with it. The slide back to reality has more to do with moving from indoor to outdoor tennis and not being able to restring as often as I would like.

One thing that has only gotten better is my serve. Never served better since picking it up.

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itsstephenyo

Semi-Pro
I talked about it the first time I got the racquet, but my forehand just hasn't quite gelled with the stick yet. That launch angle is super low. I'm contemplating getting a TC95 and see if that would work better for my game... or maybe a TC97 16x19.... Or one of everything...
 

Caol-ila

New User
First I went back to the TC95 16x19, then to the K7Red. Occasionally I buy other racquets :giggle: but I regularly use only those two ones.
 

Ares2323

New User
I need an advice. I am currently playing Pure Aero 2019 but I would like a hand-friendly racket but that it sounds similar / better than Pure Aero. What Angel would be most suitable for me?
 

emhtennis

Rookie
TC 100 for sure. 63RA if you want it really arm friendly.

If you don't mind losing some power, but want the most arm friendly stick they make, it is probably the K7 Red.

Their ASL3 is also a good candidate, but the K7 and ASL are not customizable.

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Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
I need an advice. I am currently playing Pure Aero 2019 but I would like a hand-friendly racket but that it sounds similar / better than Pure Aero. What Angel would be most suitable for me?
Have you considered Yonex EZONE 98/100 2020? Angells are quite a departure from your Pure Aero, so you should be expecting a big difference if you go that route. I personally think the Yonexes would be a better transition into something more control-oriented and comfortable while retaining some attributes of your Pure Aero.
 

Ares2323

New User
I was thinking about yonex ezone 100. I played it for an hour and I liked it a lot. However, in the specification I see similar RA as babolat pure aero. Will the racket be more arm friendly?
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
I was thinking about yonex ezone 100. I played it for an hour and I liked it a lot. However, in the specification I see similar RA as babolat pure aero. Will the racket be more arm friendly?
I can't say for sure about the 100. I hit the DR 98 briefly a few years ago, and it was definitely more arm-friendly compared to APD and Pure Aero. Since you've hit them both, your comfort comparison would be more valid than mine. My suggestion was more for the EZONE 98. In fact, I probably shouldn't have listed the 100 since I have no experience with it, but I think most would agree that Yonex frames would be a good comfort/control bridge coming from stiffer Babolats.

My son just switched to the VCORE 98 305, and if you want a modern, comfortably plush frame with a very open string pattern (possibly rivaling the pure aero), this one may work. I've hit it, and if they offered it in an 18x20, or even the tighter 16x19 of the EZONE 98, I'd entertain the idea of playing it myself. It's that good, imo. But no modern frame has quite succeeded in pulling me away from my Angell TC95 18x20. I'd like a tad more forgiveness but am unwilling to compromise on the 'juicy' control of the TC95.

You should try the VCORE 98 305. If you like it, come to think of it, you'd probably do well with a TC100 70RA. They will have similar string patterns (open 16x19), but I think the 98" head size of the Yonex would provide a touch more control, but it is 1mm thicker, so you also have to figure that in, haha. A lot to consider here;)
 

Kurt0707

Rookie
For TC95/TC97 users and fans:

considering the current hype on new Head Pro Tour 2, wondering if anyone has tried both original Head Pro Tour 630 vs TC95 18x20 63RA 320gr, as they have similar specs - original Head specs are 95inch, 20mm straight beam, 325gr unstrung and 58RA/8pts HL/335+ swingwieght strung. But Head has Twaron material, similar to the material in K7 Lime so feel would probably be more similar to K7.

In another thread, some have compared tc97 18x20 to original pro tour rather than tc95, which i found interesting.. https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/pt57a-compared-to-tc97-95.606123/

Pro tour 2 main difference to original is material and RA at 64-65RA so that would be comparable to TC95 18x20 70RA or still TC97 now...? dont understand this hype...
 
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mb3182

New User
Just to follow up on the previous post, has anyone compared the TC95 and the new Head Prestige Pro ? Besides the usual suspects (control, feel, stability, spin, etc) I'd like to know how they compare in term of flex? As per Head website, the Prestige Pro is a box beam, so I'm expecting it would flex more like a TC97. Or does it flex uniformly like the TC95?
Thanks
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
For TC95/TC97 users and fans:

considering the current hype on new Head Pro Tour 2, wondering if anyone has tried both original Head Pro Tour 630 vs TC95 18x20 63RA 320gr, as they have similar specs - original Head specs are 95inch, 20mm straight beam, 325gr unstrung and 58RA/8pts HL/335+ swingwieght strung. But Head has Twaron material, similar to the material in K7 Lime so feel would probably be more similar to K7.

In another thread, some have compared tc97 18x20 to original pro tour rather than tc95, which i found interesting.. https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/pt57a-compared-to-tc97-95.606123/

Pro tour 2 main difference to original is material and RA at 64-65RA so that would be comparable to TC95 18x20 70RA or still TC97 now...? dont understand this hype...
For me, TC97 18x20 (never played 16x19) plays a lot like Head racquets I've tried (iPrestige Mid, PC600, Youtek IG Prestige Pro) so I guess it plays like PT2.0, too (even guys like vsbabolat think so). Can't really imagine PT2.0 playing like TC95...

The hype is simple - Head puts out something, or something close to that something, that ppl were dreaming of for a long time and it costs 50 bucks less than most retails. I bet the hype would be similar if Wilson decided to release another 90'' or Yonex decided to release 95D again. I'd be all worked up and ready to splash cash if Fischer got back to business and brought back their SiC and fiberglass layups.
 
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ed70

Professional
The 12 oclock spot is fundamental. than haded some at 3 and 9 and it was perfect. had to put an overgrip too...was trying at 2 and 10 first , since that was what i was using with my previous racket...
Actually now, i´m trying to lower the swingweight a bit , so i´m trying at 1 and 11 , and more at 3 and 9...It´s awesome too...
The ideal balance point for me it´s 32,8mm , so with an overgrip i get this and with a swingweight of 333.
it´s 1 gram at 1 , and 1 gram at 11 , and 2 grams at 3 and 2 grams at 9. rock solid with awesome power and control...
Try it...
I’ve been using the V2 TC97 16x19 for over 3 years, must of play tested every popular modern & plenty of old school frames before sticking with the TC97. Took me roughly 3 months to fully commit, my original frame was 325SW, I messed about with strings as at that time I’d had my first & only bout of TE & I also added a bit of lead here & there. Ended up playing racquet with zero lead, racquet is stable enough without needing any.
like all the V2 Angells there is a great balance of precision & power & whilst I could easy switch to a tc95 or Tc100, I enjoy the touch, feel & lower launch angle of theTC97.
 

Rui Lopes

Rookie
I’ve been using the V2 TC97 16x19 for over 3 years, must of play tested every popular modern & plenty of old school frames before sticking with the TC97. Took me roughly 3 months to fully commit, my original frame was 325SW, I messed about with strings as at that time I’d had my first & only bout of TE & I also added a bit of lead here & there. Ended up playing racquet with zero lead, racquet is stable enough without needing any.
like all the V2 Angells there is a great balance of precision & power & whilst I could easy switch to a tc95 or Tc100, I enjoy the touch, feel & lower launch angle of theTC97.
After this stop i will try a bit with lead again to see if i can lower my swingweight too. I was able to reduce it from 340 to 333 , but if i could lower it a bit more would be great. But i´ve tried it before and always seems to be missing something. I love more weight to crush the ball. I believe that 330 plus swingweight , the TC 97 becomes all i hear about the TC 95, being a Thor hammer. it´s rock solid and precise , but it´s a bit demanding to move it , but nothing that good frequent training doesn´t solve , and than it´s time to collect all the bónus...
 
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