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EdmondTW

New User
Hi everybody, new to the forum and new to Angell racquets, I've been thinking about getting a pair for a while but never committed to it, finally got a pair of V3 95 off the bay, I believe from one user here.

At 27.5", 310g/31.5cm, 16x19, this stick is a serving monster, better that my old trusted PS85...and that's saying a lot!!

My only gripe is the grip size, I'm trying to get new pallets but didn't get any response from the manufacturer yet. Someone has ever purchased the pallets from Angell and done the replacement by himself? I'm gathering that it will void the warranty, not that it concerns me particularly, I live in Dominican Republic, shipping from here to anywhere costs more than the racquet itself.

Happy Angell hitting to everyone!
Didn't know Angell racquets have replaceable pallets?
 

Tezroza

New User
New to the thread.

I'm buying new racquets and came across Angell. I was thrilled there are so many fans but I've never heard of this brand.

It seems really hard to demo this racquet in the States. Can someone compare Angell TC97 16X19 to Pro Staff 16x19, Pure Strike 16x19, Pure Drive 16x19 and Yonex Ezone 98 16x19 in terms of feel, control and power? In terms of specs, we can use the Pure Strike as a standard. I have the green Wimbledon version from 2018. Pre-strung weight is 305g, but I'm not sure about its swing weight since it's not on the racquet. I think it's about 320 before modification based on what I can find online (but not sure if it's reliable since I noticed discrepancies between different sites).

I recently tried the Ezone 98 16x19. I had very high hopes because of the overwhelming good reviews on the internet, but I had no luck, I didn't like the feel of the racquet, it felt too muted to me, I didn't feel connected to the ball. Among all racquets I used, I'd say I like Pure Strike the most. I like the solid contact it gives me and I am very connected to the ball.

I'm actually going to demo Tecnifibre RS 300/305. If anyone can compare Angell TC97 16X19 to those racquets as well, that'd be great. Also, is Angell TC97 18x20 very much under powered?

Thanks in advance! I don't want to keep searching for the perfect racquet. It's too painful. I hope this is the racquet!
I own a TC97 18x20 310g 9pts head light, but can only speak for the difference between this and a pure strike as I used to use a 3rd gen pure strike. For me the TC97 wins in almost every single category besides power. Better control, feel, comfort, stability, touch, serving, etc. The Pure Strike 3rd gen is like a boom stick, the power I can generate with that racquet is crazy but really hard to handle. As someone who generates lots of power naturally and has a sensitive elbow, the TC97 is just better for me across the board. You may be different though.
 

emhtennis

Semi-Pro
New to the thread.

I'm buying new racquets and came across Angell. I was thrilled there are so many fans but I've never heard of this brand.

It seems really hard to demo this racquet in the States. Can someone compare Angell TC97 16X19 to Pro Staff 16x19, Pure Strike 16x19, Pure Drive 16x19 and Yonex Ezone 98 16x19 in terms of feel, control and power? In terms of specs, we can use the Pure Strike as a standard. I have the green Wimbledon version from 2018. Pre-strung weight is 305g, but I'm not sure about its swing weight since it's not on the racquet. I think it's about 320 before modification based on what I can find online (but not sure if it's reliable since I noticed discrepancies between different sites).

I recently tried the Ezone 98 16x19. I had very high hopes because of the overwhelming good reviews on the internet, but I had no luck, I didn't like the feel of the racquet, it felt too muted to me, I didn't feel connected to the ball. Among all racquets I used, I'd say I like Pure Strike the most. I like the solid contact it gives me and I am very connected to the ball.

I'm actually going to demo Tecnifibre RS 300/305. If anyone can compare Angell TC97 16X19 to those racquets as well, that'd be great. Also, is Angell TC97 18x20 very much under powered?

Thanks in advance! I don't want to keep searching for the perfect racquet. It's too painful. I hope this is the racquet!
I play the 18x20 and don't think it is underpowered at all. I've hit my biggest serves with it.

Can't speak to the 16x19. It would probably play pretty similar to your pure strike. I still have 3x 1st gen pure strike 16x19s. Biggest difference is the free help from high in the string bed and launch angle.

Bottom line, if you want a racket that feels great and will push you to play your best go with the 97. If you want a little more help and free power go with the 100.
 

EdmondTW

New User
I play the 18x20 and don't think it is underpowered at all. I've hit my biggest serves with it.

Can't speak to the 16x19. It would probably play pretty similar to your pure strike. I still have 3x 1st gen pure strike 16x19s. Biggest difference is the free help from high in the string bed and launch angle.

Bottom line, if you want a racket that feels great and will push you to play your best go with the 97. If you want a little more help and free power go with the 100.
Thanks! Set aside power, it should be a relatively smooth transition to the TC97 from a Pure Strike?
 

emhtennis

Semi-Pro
Thanks! Set aside power, it should be a relatively smooth transition to the TC97 from a Pure Strike?
I would say that if you go with the Angell 16x19 and (for now) keep your same string and tension then the transition would indeed be pretty easy.

Are you intending to order specs pretty close to the pure strike? That is where the bigger differences will come in. If you order something that is overly headlight or a lot heavier than the Pure Strike then it would be more of an adjustment.
 

EdmondTW

New User
I would say that if you go with the Angell 16x19 and (for now) keep your same string and tension then the transition would indeed be pretty easy.

Are you intending to order specs pretty close to the pure strike? That is where the bigger differences will come in. If you order something that is overly headlight or a lot heavier than the Pure Strike then it would be more of an adjustment.
Yes, I think I will order the 300g one then add lead to work my way up. Angell's website doesn't tell you the SW. I thought SW is a more important spec. Actually, do you know if the listed static weight includes the weight of the replacement grip? I'm new to this customized racquets thing.
 
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EdmondTW

New User
I've heard very good things about the TC97. Does anyone in New York City have one I can try before I pull the trigger? I want to try the 300g or 310g unstrung with a 1/8 or 1/4 grip. Thanks in advance!!!
 

flanker2000fr

Professional
Yes, I think I will order the 300g one then add lead to work my way up. Angell's website doesn't tell you the SW. I thought SW is a more important spec. Actually, do you know if the listed static weight includes the weight of the replacement grip? I'm new to this customized racquets thing.
As Tezroza has mentioned, the static weight includes your grip of choice. If going for a 300g frame, I would suggest getting it with the PU grip. This way, if you feel that the racquet is a bit light in stock form, you can switch to a leather grip, which should put the static weight closer to 310g, and then maybe a few g of lead in the hoop to counterbalance it.
 

Dan007

Hall of Fame
I heard the tc95 is actually slightly bigger or at least big as the RF97/PS97 headsize. Can anyone with both rackets attest to this?
 

BPlain

New User
Played again this morning (day two) for 2 hours and definitely started feeling it in my elbow about 30 minutes in with the fully bed of Halo Spin 7 in my K7 Red. I switched to my backup K7 Red which I still have strung as a hybrid with Halo 4 in the mains and Halo Touch in the crosses. It definitely felt much better elbow-wise but my control suffered. I'm not surprised as the Halo Spin 7 is significantly stiffer than any full bed poly I've played with recently. I'm going to now try two different hybrid set ups – Halo Spin 7 in the mains in both and then one with Halo Four in the crosses, and one with Halo Touch in the crosses. Hopefully one of them should be the happy medium I'm looking for without any elbow pain. I think I'm getting closer to something I can stick with for awhile though.
Played around four hours over two days this past weekend with my K7 Red with Halo Spin 7 1.25 in the mains and Halo Four 1.18 in the crosses, both strung at 50 lbs. I really liked this set up.

Most importantly, no elbow pain. The stiffer Spin 7 in the mains helped with overall control and while the Four (a square string) in the crosses added spin, touch, and placement. It was nice to be back to missing shots completely due to operator error as opposed to being able to blame the strings :)

I've got my second K7 Red set up with Halo Spin 7 1.25 in the mains, Halo Touch 1.20 in the crosses to try as well but I liked the Spin 7 / Halo Four combo so much, I'll hold off on trying that until the Spin 7 / Halo Four combo breaks. Assuming it lasts me another 4 hours or more, I think I've finally found winning string combination for both my game and managing my elbow pain.
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
Dang that's a sweet looking balance board:

 

Sardines

Professional
I finally had a play test with a TC100 V3 27.5 70RA 310g 6pts HL that a friend gave me. Strung with VSTonic+Feel/PRCW18g @59(10%Prestretch)/56lbs, specs modded to 345g/6ptsHL strung. Swingweight hasn't been modded yet because I want to see how it plays, the string pattern being more open than my SV98+ and already crept up to the SV98+ 346g without hoop weighting. I have to say it surprised me in how much feel there was. It is very plush and creamy like a RF97, even at 70RA, but without the weight. It is surprisingly "flickable" and swings well. It did require a timing change, despite the similarity in weight.
It is a definite feel controlled power frame, where you can swing as hard as you want, vs a powered control frame that is my SV98+, which gives great reserves of power, but has a narrow band of feel. The TC100 feedback is very nice, but for such an open pattern, I expected more bite and launch angle. It isn't there. I had to adjust for more spin for every stroke.
Personally, if I were in my late 30s, I'd have jumped on this frame. It has great feel and dampening for a 70RA, power is decent but it's about the ability to control the biggest shots. Back then, I'd love this feel and forgiveness, and could've done without the shanks of the 90 frame that were increasingly creeping in every year. Now, I can forgo the feel to be able to hit bigger when I need, as my fast twitch muscles have atrophied with age. YMMV!
 
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djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
would you say that the Diadem Impulse is a "powerful" multifilament or low/medium powered?
IIRC it helped tame the power of the TC100 so I would say it is a low/medium string. I've tried Impulse also in a vCore 97 HG full bed and that was a low powered racquet. In there it felt like it provided good feedback. I let it sit for a while because of playing with other racquets. When I came back to it after a long time it felt launchy. So just take that w a grain of salt as it prob lost enough tension to be a different animal from when fresh. Gravity MP used it with Ghostwire crosses. This reminded me of gut/poly and was really happy with it.
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
reminded you in terms of FEEL but not POWER though right?
IIRC it had decent power in that combo but I also didn't get the racquet set up with lead as I would have liked. There wasn't as much bite as a shaped poly so the ball landed further IMO in the court. No lack of spin. What I took away from it was the feel was a good alternative to gut/poly if on a budget or playing in wet conditions. I hope I'm helping and not confusing you. YMMV
 

d-quik

Professional
IIRC it had decent power in that combo but I also didn't get the racquet set up with lead as I would have liked. There wasn't as much bite as a shaped poly so the ball landed further IMO in the court. No lack of spin. What I took away from it was the feel was a good alternative to gut/poly if on a budget or playing in wet conditions. I hope I'm helping and not confusing you. YMMV
very helpful with maybe a tad bit of confusion. Not so concerned about spin or price just the power. It doesnt help that this was so long ago but i am grateful for any answers, regardless. Is there another multi maybe you coupd compare it to just in terms of power? Again i am very grateful for this information.
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
very helpful with maybe a tad bit of confusion. Not so concerned about spin or price just the power. It doesnt help that this was so long ago but i am grateful for any answers, regardless. Is there another multi maybe you coupd compare it to just in terms of power? Again i am very grateful for this information.
yeah...i was/am worried i'm confusing you.

a comparable multi that I can think of is Gamma Professional. I used this also with Ghostwire crosses.
 

EdmondTW

New User
As Tezroza has mentioned, the static weight includes your grip of choice. If going for a 300g frame, I would suggest getting it with the PU grip. This way, if you feel that the racquet is a bit light in stock form, you can switch to a leather grip, which should put the static weight closer to 310g, and then maybe a few g of lead in the hoop to counterbalance it.
Thanks for the advice. I'll do that.

for a 95, the TC95 seems larger than other 95 si racquets. It might be that Angell measures differently (inside hoop vs outside hoop)
hmm pretty much all racquet brands measure the inside hoop tho? If Angell does that same, then it's a true 95, if Angell measures the outside hoop, then it should be smaller than 95, it's really interesting that the TC 95 seems bigger than other 95s.

On another note, I have read a lot of reviews on TC 97 and TC 95 in this thread and decided to go with either TC 97 16X19 or TC 95 18X20, I wonder if TC 97 16X19 has a much larger sweet spot or other significant advantage over the TC95 18X20. If someone who has first hand experience with both racquets can give a quick comparison, that'd be awesome. I think I'm very close to pull the trigger.
 
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Rysty

Rookie
About the size (This is not so important, just saying): I have compared TC 95 to other 95s and 98s. TC 95 is larger than the 95s of other brands, and only very slightly smaller than 98s. So, it must be something like 96-97, not a true 95.
 

Sardines

Professional
For those stringing the TC100 V3 16x19, my stringer is complaining for the 2nd last cross, the hole @ 9H is blocked by the 2 mains going through 7T/8T in the grommet and a PITA to get pass. Since I use gut, he's afraid to use an awl, so he mentioned having to put a tube there to hold the space the 2nd time he strung it to make sure he didn't damage the 15Lish gut mains. Is this correct or does he have the wrong pattern? I looked up the site and the stringing instructions show 3 strings are side by side. Is that right?

TC100 string instructions
 

Happi

Semi-Pro
About the size (This is not so important, just saying): I have compared TC 95 to other 95s and 98s. TC 95 is larger than the 95s of other brands, and only very slightly smaller than 98s. So, it must be something like 96-97, not a true 95.
I can confirm this. I have a Prince TT95 and a TC95, they both have the same head shape, and the TC95 is slightly longer. I also have a Head MG Radical 98 and the TC95 is very very close to this size.
 

Happi

Semi-Pro
For those stringing the TC100 V3 16x19, my stringer is complaining for the 2nd last cross, the hole @ 9H is blocked by the 2 mains going through 7T/8T in the grommet and a PITA to get pass. Since I use gut, he's afraid to use an awl, so he mentioned having to put a tube there to hold the space the 2nd time he strung it to make sure he didn't damage the 15Lish gut mains. Is this correct or does he have the wrong pattern? I looked up the site and the stringing instructions show 3 strings are side by side. Is that right?

TC100 string instructions
Yes this is a problem with the blocked holes until you find your way, there are many different ways. My solution was to get this tool, works really well and also no problem using an awl with gut.


There are many different ways, I tried a lot of them but the Pathfinder Awl is by far the best IMO
 

esm

Hall of Fame
I also have a Head MG Radical 98 and the TC95 is very very close to this size.
As the MG Radical MP grommet also fits the PT630/2.0, so it is actually a 95, instead of the advertised 98. So it should be very close to the TC95.
can’t remember when Head started to measure the inside of their racquet for the head size though.
 

Sardines

Professional
Yes this is a problem with the blocked holes until you find your way, there are many different ways. My solution was to get this tool, works really well and also no problem using an awl with gut.


There are many different ways, I tried a lot of them but the Pathfinder Awl is by far the best IMO
Ah ok. He apparently used the tool on the first string job and it damaged the thick gut, resulting the string snapping at that point. He took a pic and showed me how little space there was to work with (almost none!) once he strung up the 15L gut., even with 1.2mm string. I guess it's a 'quirk' of the TC100 string pattern.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
For those stringing the TC100 V3 16x19, my stringer is complaining for the 2nd last cross, the hole @ 9H is blocked by the 2 mains going through 7T/8T in the grommet and a PITA to get pass. Since I use gut, he's afraid to use an awl, so he mentioned having to put a tube there to hold the space the 2nd time he strung it to make sure he didn't damage the 15Lish gut mains. Is this correct or does he have the wrong pattern? I looked up the site and the stringing instructions show 3 strings are side by side. Is that right?

TC100 string instructions
Another option is to leave a piece of string in place, and remove it for the second last cross when the time comes.
 

Sardines

Professional
Another option is to leave a piece of string in place, and remove it for the second last cross when the time comes.
Thanks for that, but I'll leave that to him since I'm paying him for his expertise. I was just checking if anyone else had that problem. Seems like a slight flaw in string grommet design if someone wants to use thicker strings (15L or thicker). I've looked at it, there was NOT enough space for a 3rd string without it sticking out, and the cross does stick out now.
 

EdmondTW

New User
If I get the TC 97 16X19 300g/325mm or TC 95 18X20 300g/325mm, what would be the strung Swing Weight? I use Alu Power 16L. Angell's website doesn't have the information.
 

EdmondTW

New User
why are you not considering TC95 16x19 or TC97 18x20 ?
There seems to be a consensus that TC95 is actually bigger than a standard 95 and TC 95 is more powerful than TC 97, however, TC 95 16X19 appears to be too powerful and TC 97 18X20 seems to be too muted and very low powered.
 
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edelp

Semi-Pro
If I get the TC 97 16X19 300g/325mm or TC 95 18X20 300g/325mm, what would be the strung Swing Weight? I use Alu Power 16L. Angell's website doesn't have the information.
Just as examples, even though different patterns: my TC95 16x19 has an unstrung SW of 295, end up with 16gauge poly and anti at 328. My TC97 18x20 has an unstrung SW of 304 and shows currently with a 18gauge string 338SW. both are unstrung 300gr and 32,5cm
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
There seems to be a consensus that TC95 is actually bigger than a standard 95 and TC 95 is more powerful than TC 97, however, TC 95 16X19 appears to be too powerful and TC 97 18X20 seems to be too muted and very low powered.
I disagree. I played both these frames extensively and I think the TC97 18m is crisper than the TC95 18m.
 

EdmondTW

New User
If I get the TC 97 16X19 300g/325mm or TC 95 18X20 300g/325mm, what would be the strung Swing Weight? I use Alu Power 16L. Angell's website doesn't have the information.
I got the answers. Just to put it here in case someone is looking for it.

The approximate strung SW and balance for the frames would be as follows (assuming the frames are 27” length).
TC97 16x19 300g/325mm - 328SW and 335mm ( Strings will typically add 28 SW points and move the balance 3pts)
TC95 18x20 300g/325mm - 325SW and 335mm
 

flanker2000fr

Professional
Is anyone else having string durability issues in the TC100?

Solinco Confidential 16 barely makes it 4 hours for me in this frame.

Perhaps it's the string itself, as I used to have Hyper G 16 in my PCG100, and I could get 6 hours of play from it. Will give it a try in the TC100.

Any other recommendation for a softer poly with good durability to use in this frame?
 

Sardines

Professional
Is anyone else having string durability issues in the TC100?

Solinco Confidential 16 barely makes it 4 hours for me in this frame.

Perhaps it's the string itself, as I used to have Hyper G 16 in my PCG100, and I could get 6 hours of play from it. Will give it a try in the TC100.

Any other recommendation for a softer poly with good durability to use in this frame?
It is an open string pattern but the launch angle isn't that crazy, even with 3lbs differential, but my stringer has stringing issues with the TC100's forcing 3 strings parallel in a grommet designed for 2! :laughing:Try the Cyclone Tour with a smooth poly cross? A smooth poly cross can sometimes extend string life.
 

aehjmeyer

New User
Off topic a bit, but finally got to rally with the K7 Lime. Really enjoying it. Using Diadem Solstice Power 1.20, I was able to generate plenty of spin. Slices were fantastic, as was the comfort/feel. Will need to eventually get some matches in before a final determination, but definitely a keeper.
 

bleno567

Semi-Pro
Is anyone else having string durability issues in the TC100?

Solinco Confidential 16 barely makes it 4 hours for me in this frame.

Perhaps it's the string itself, as I used to have Hyper G 16 in my PCG100, and I could get 6 hours of play from it. Will give it a try in the TC100.

Any other recommendation for a softer poly with good durability to use in this frame?
Yeah. I used to absolutely eat through strings in the TC 100. The pattern is just too open if you hit with heavy spin. I just hit with Ytex Quatro yesterday and today, and it really is as soft as they say. Big improvement in elbow comfort from hyper g imo.
 

BPlain

New User
Is anyone else having string durability issues in the TC100?

Solinco Confidential 16 barely makes it 4 hours for me in this frame.

Perhaps it's the string itself, as I used to have Hyper G 16 in my PCG100, and I could get 6 hours of play from it. Will give it a try in the TC100.

Any other recommendation for a softer poly with good durability to use in this frame?
Both of those polys are pretty stiff according to TW's Compare Strings Tool: 222 lb/in for Confidential 16 and 219 for Hyper G 16.

I'm now 6 hours of play into using Angell Halo Spin 7 (1.25) in the mains, Angell Halo Four (1.18) in the crosses, both strung at 50 lbs, in my K7 Red. I'd definitely recommend it. Still stiff enough to control the ball with plenty of power, feel, and touch as well. While Angell (to my knowledge at least) doesn't publish stiffness ratings for their strings, I would say Halo Spin 7 is pretty close to Confidential and Hyper G. I started with a full bed of Halo Spin 7 but it was too much for my elbow and a little under powered. Using the Halo Four in the crosses has extended their durability – I broke them pretty quickly as mains – and softened up the Halo Spin 7 a bit too while improving power, spin, and feel.

I've used Hyper G, Volkl Cyclone, Cyclone Tour, and V-Squared in the past and tend to break strings pretty fast. If you're used to Confidential and Hyper G, I think Cyclone Tour would feel REALLY soft by comparison with Cyclone and V-Squared being slightly softer than what you're used too. My issue with Volkl strings (aside from breaking them too fast) was the quick tension loss. Got used to it but playing with Angell strings now, they seem to hold their tension much better overall.

Hope it helps!
 

flanker2000fr

Professional
Both of those polys are pretty stiff according to TW's Compare Strings Tool: 222 lb/in for Confidential 16 and 219 for Hyper G 16.

I'm now 6 hours of play into using Angell Halo Spin 7 (1.25) in the mains, Angell Halo Four (1.18) in the crosses, both strung at 50 lbs, in my K7 Red. I'd definitely recommend it. Still stiff enough to control the ball with plenty of power, feel, and touch as well. While Angell (to my knowledge at least) doesn't publish stiffness ratings for their strings, I would say Halo Spin 7 is pretty close to Confidential and Hyper G. I started with a full bed of Halo Spin 7 but it was too much for my elbow and a little under powered. Using the Halo Four in the crosses has extended their durability – I broke them pretty quickly as mains – and softened up the Halo Spin 7 a bit too while improving power, spin, and feel.

I've used Hyper G, Volkl Cyclone, Cyclone Tour, and V-Squared in the past and tend to break strings pretty fast. If you're used to Confidential and Hyper G, I think Cyclone Tour would feel REALLY soft by comparison with Cyclone and V-Squared being slightly softer than what you're used too. My issue with Volkl strings (aside from breaking them too fast) was the quick tension loss. Got used to it but playing with Angell strings now, they seem to hold their tension much better overall.

Hope it helps!
Thanks for taking the time to answer. I don't have any particular comfort issue with either Hyper G or Confidential strings, seeing that I use only soft frames (59-63 RA). I have used Volkl Cyclone in the past, in a 17 gauge in a Yonex DR98, and didn't care much for it either. Plays well for about 4 hours, but then the drop in tension makes it borderline unplayable for me. The flip side is that it doesn't cost too much. Interesting recommendation on the Halo, will give it a go.
 

Sardines

Professional
Thanks for taking the time to answer. I don't have any particular comfort issue with either Hyper G or Confidential strings, seeing that I use only soft frames (59-63 RA). I have used Volkl Cyclone in the past, in a 17 gauge in a Yonex DR98, and didn't care much for it either. Plays well for about 4 hours, but then the drop in tension makes it borderline unplayable for me. The flip side is that it doesn't cost too much. Interesting recommendation on the Halo, will give it a go.
Cyclone is stiffer than Cyclone Tour, and the tension maintenance is better than Cyclone Tour. When I was playing with Cyclone Tour, I found a 7% prestretch helped with tension consistency.

Also I found this thread about the blocked 7T stringing issue. Good thing I didn't buy it, but for those who pay stringers and use 15L or thicker gut, it's important info to consider! My stringer is charging me $2 for the added effort to string the TC100. Looking at how much more time Irvin has to spend to get the cross through the blocked hole, I can understand why!

 
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EdmondTW

New User
Respond to this Poll if you have an Angell racquet. It would be interesting to see people’s preferences. I’m already surprised that most people prefer the TC 95 16x19 based on the current vote.
 
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