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336 and 339.5. They had the same string set-up, but unfortunately I don't remember what it was at the time I had them measured. Also I think both had a bit of electrical tape from 10 to 2 for protection, it usually adds around 5 pts for me.
Thanks. What was your stock weight / balance?
Welcome, both were 320g/305mm configuration.
Thank you again!
Paulo Braz
Semi-Pro
Has anyone tested the k7 cyan?
Paul Johnson
Rookie
No they are now matt. In my opinion they look much nicer in the hand than they look in the photos and they are finished to to the very high quality you would expect from Angell
topspn
G.O.A.T.
Thanks. I’m sure they’re nice. I am partial to glossy on any PJ really
Paul Johnson
Rookie
I understand, I consider the Angell Custom black and copper to be by far the nicest paint job on the market today. in terms of play though I prefer the K7 range and for the past couple of years have been playing with weighted up K7 Reds.
Now that Paul has extended the range beyond the red and green I think it makes sense to tone down the scheme with the black contrast.
speaking of PJ - i thought the grey bits open the V2 was a real nice shade. the got hold of a V3 copper and black, it is just rather nice shade of sunny copper!
i thought the K7 Red PJ is rather nice too. i like how the red and black "blends" into each other. i can't remember if i have replaced the black grommet with a red one... to get that Prestige look... lol
i thought the K7 Red PJ is rather nice too. i like how the red and black "blends" into each other. i can't remember if i have replaced the black grommet with a red one... to get that Prestige look... lol
ChrisG
Professional
What is your specs on the K7 ? and where did you place weight ? thks
Paul Johnson
Rookie
Strung specs are
weight 340. Balance 320. Swingweight 335
They were 4 of the highest swingweight Frames that Paul had in stock at the time (average unstrung SW was 297) Paul then added 15g silicone to the handle of each for me and I added lead at 3 and 9 to get the specs I wanted.
ChrisG
Professional
Thanks, it’s more less what I’ve done (leather grip instead of silicone), still can’t make it my main frame but it’s a very nice racquet I’ll keep for sure
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
what have I missed? can I now get the Tc95 63ra 16x19in the green K7 color scheme because that's what I want!
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
Tc95 63 16 x19 is one of the best serving racquets of all time... not just first but seconds too. It has a ridiculous amount of power precision and spin on tap... normally there are tradeoffs. But Ive used the last RSlyon and will be looking for new string this spring. Yonex poly tour pro, Confidential (is it just shaped rslyon?) and Kirschbaim mac power are on the must try list. Ive used the yonex in other sticks and have some so Ill try that first.vs. 63RA 18x20 TC95 - PP feels like it has more pop on standard rally balls, although the TC95 has the edge when flattening out, and serves.
vs. 16x19 TC97 - I think the TC97 just has more pop on rally balls and serves although I'm unsure if the former is just due to it needing a restring (they're very loose by now); PP still flattens out easier due to the closed 16x19.
Like so many before that have echoed the sentiment... still not sure how Angells serve so well, they just cut through the air so quickly and thump the ball on contact.
flanker2000fr
Hall of Fame
If you're going to put a shaped poly in this frame, be prepared to change it often. The very open 16x19 that Angell uses tears through aggressively shaped strings like Confidential.
Gee
Hall of Fame
Hi BC,
Nice to see you again into this thread after a long time!
I also experienced that exactly (see bold phrase above).
Since a few months I switched from Wilson Ultra Tour to the TC95 16x19 63RA.
Compared to the UT I gained a lot of power and plowthrough, easier depth and spin. A bigger sweetspot because of the more open pattern that is especially noticeable with my return of serves. Besides the D-beam frame feels more aerodynamic and versatile as well.
Earlier I played with TC95 18x20, TC97 18x20, K7 Lime and TC100 but I think this is my favourite Angell up to now.
First I played with full bed Pacific Poly Power Pro 1.25 that I liked but it lacked a little feel/touch especially with my drop volleys. That's why I had it strung with a multi/copoly hybrid with Head RIP Control 1.25 (mains) / Pacific Poly Power Pro 1.25 (crosses) and that felt better. However the multi into the mains broke very soon while I seldom broke strings into my 18x20 frames.
Like @flanker2000fr mentioned I also think a round copoly is a better option for the TC95 16x19. Earlier I strung my TC95 18x20 with shaped strings like MSV Focus Hex that cut through the softer Angell grommets.
topspn
G.O.A.T.
No sorry, you still can’t, it’s the black/copper PJ for your frame. You can’t even get K7 lime in the PJ you liked anymore. K7 line has new PJ and a new 100 racquet the Cyan
Unstrung SW of 27in frames are usually 295, if I remember correctly 1/2in adds 10pts so your unstrung SW is likely around 305. Will be 335-340 after stringing.My girlfriend just bought me a TC 100 V3 320GR / 12 PHL / 27.5 lenght for my birthday
The specs seems to much for me! Never played with an extended racquet before. What could be SW? You guys have any idea? Thanks
tennis347
Hall of Fame
Has had anyone tried the K7 Cyan in standard or XL? I am curious if there is a noticeable power difference from the K7 Red? Also the K7 Red XL seems quite appealing since the standard version lacked power IMO. I see that the Cyan also has the Aramid fibers to which help improve comfort with a 67RA which will be about 64/65 strung. Does anyone think that the comfort on the Cyan will be just about as good as the Red?
tennis347
Hall of Fame
How does the K7 Cyan XL play? Is the comfort still there with the 67RA? How's the power and control level? I had the K7 Red and really enjoyed the feel, comfort and spin but just lacked power IMO. The XL frames interest me if the SW is below 330 strung.
topspn
G.O.A.T.
Nice GF! You’re gonna be 335 or a bit north depending on string you useMy girlfriend just bought me a TC 100 V3 320GR / 12 PHL / 27.5 lenght for my birthday
The specs seems to much for me! Never played with an extended racquet before. What could be SW? You guys have any idea? Thanks
Backhanded Compliment
Legend
I actually love the orange and black colorway though so maybe that will be it?
topspn
G.O.A.T.
The custom series black/copper is certainly beautiful and i can attest is quite durable.
You guys prefer the copper color scheme over the octane?
Gee
Hall of Fame
Yes I prefer the copper over the octane paintjob. I don't like those purple/green shades.
topspn
G.O.A.T.
I have not seen the Octane in person. However, i have liked every single PJ for the iterations of the custom frames all the way back to the metal grey. And all were quality PJs!
Return_Ace
Hall of Fame
I love the Octane colour scheme, but the matte finish feels a bit too smooth for me compared to the gloss (compared to the v2 pj, can't compare to v3) which retains a bit more tackiness.
Not enough so that I'd not pick up an Octane again mind you, just something minor.
Do you have the Copper as well?
Strayfire
Semi-Pro
Okay so my TC97 arrived. Overall QC looking good. Had these results back from my AO stringer. Results are from a calibrated SW machine, calibrated scale and balance board.
Measured specs:
320g unstrung (320g requested)
319mm balance (315mm requested)
300 SW unstrung
335g strung
?? strung balance
326SW strung (325SW requested)
Just the fact that Paul can accurately do the frame to a certain strung SW like that is incredible. I did tell him I was going to string 1.30mm Multifeel so him being able to do that mental math is just stellar. My stringer also said SW>static weight>balance in terms of priority because of how much it impacts play. He also did comment that the grommets seem to be made for 1P stringing rather than 2P and would like to see Paul modify that.
Measured specs:
320g unstrung (320g requested)
319mm balance (315mm requested)
300 SW unstrung
335g strung
?? strung balance
326SW strung (325SW requested)
Just the fact that Paul can accurately do the frame to a certain strung SW like that is incredible. I did tell him I was going to string 1.30mm Multifeel so him being able to do that mental math is just stellar. My stringer also said SW>static weight>balance in terms of priority because of how much it impacts play. He also did comment that the grommets seem to be made for 1P stringing rather than 2P and would like to see Paul modify that.
Nicely done.Okay so my TC97 arrived. Overall QC looking good. Had these results back from my AO stringer. Results are from a calibrated SW machine, calibrated scale and balance board.
Measured specs:
320g unstrung (320g requested)
319mm balance (315mm requested)
300 SW unstrung
335g strung
?? strung balance
326SW strung (325SW requested)
Just the fact that Paul can accurately do the frame to a certain strung SW like that is incredible. I did tell him I was going to string 1.30mm Multifeel so him being able to do that mental math is just stellar. My stringer also said SW>static weight>balance in terms of priority because of how much it impacts play. He also did comment that the grommets seem to be made for 1P stringing rather than 2P and would like to see Paul modify that.
Interesting to further understand wondering about his comment re: the 16x19 grommets for 1P rather than 2P. Did he provide any more reasonings for that? Thanks
Strayfire
Semi-Pro
He said that 2P stringing isn't a problem, he would just need to widen a few points. He just said it would be better if it came pre-widened out of the box like my VCP HD.
I'm not a stringer and I don't care whether my frame is done with 1P or 2P stringing. In the end, my stringer did shrug and suppose that the mold for the grommets would be expensive to modify and told me to forget about it. I guess that's why the TC97 shares grommets with the TC95 and K7 (was it K7 red? idk).
My stringer is happy to do either type of stringing, it's just that he defaults to 2P stringing. I've made a mental footnote to remind him this frame is 1P, apparently.
saleem
Semi-Pro
I have been doing my own stringing on all of my Angells and almost always 2P without any issue.
The Octane paint looks light blue with the ambient light.Okay so my TC97 arrived. Overall QC looking good. Had these results back from my AO stringer. Results are from a calibrated SW machine, calibrated scale and balance board.
Measured specs:
320g unstrung (320g requested)
319mm balance (315mm requested)
300 SW unstrung
335g strung
?? strung balance
326SW strung (325SW requested)
Just the fact that Paul can accurately do the frame to a certain strung SW like that is incredible. I did tell him I was going to string 1.30mm Multifeel so him being able to do that mental math is just stellar. My stringer also said SW>static weight>balance in terms of priority because of how much it impacts play. He also did comment that the grommets seem to be made for 1P stringing rather than 2P and would like to see Paul modify that.
Return_Ace
Hall of Fame
No, I'm just assuming that the finish of the v2 is the same as that on the v3 (Copper).
I think that's more of an issue with the camera, it's definitely a purple, even in bright light.
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Strayfire
Semi-Pro
It's very purple/green irl. My phone camera (Nokia 8) is not great at accurately capturing colours.
At times that does tempt me to get something like a Google Pixel 4a or iPhone SE 2020.
The picture on their website (below) is accurate, it really does look like this irl.
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landcookie
Professional
AO stringer? Comment about Angell being 1 pc? He wouldn't happened to be based in Richmond, does he?
Strayfire
Semi-Pro
^ My stringer.
I think he might live in Richmond, NSW. His shop is in Cheltenham, NSW though.
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landcookie
Professional
Mmm k. Different guy. Mine's in Vic. Said the same thing about my TC100 needing to be strung 1 pc. Kinda hard with a hybrid though. Haha.
^ My stringer.
I think he might live in Richmond, NSW. His shop is in Cheltenham, NSW though.
that is interesting..... not sure what he meant by "need to widen a few points" comment? did he point out exactly which points needs widening?
i have done both 1P and 2P on my TC100/TC95/K7 Red (all 16x19) many times, and not at one time i need to widen "any" points - maybe that is what they taught by Yonex?
no issues with 2P on my TC97 18x20 either...
just wondering - did you provide him with the Angell stringing instructions from Paul's website?
Would go well with these shoes:It's very purple/green irl. My phone camera (Nokia 8) is not great at accurately capturing colours.
At times that does tempt me to get something like a Google Pixel 4a or iPhone SE 2020.
The picture on their website (below) is accurate, it really does look like this irl.
KSwiss Hypercourt Supreme LE Blue/Red Men's Shoes
www.tennis-warehouse.com
Strayfire
Semi-Pro
Would go well with these shoes:
KSwiss Hypercourt Supreme LE Blue/Red Men's Shoes
Strong disagree! They look horrid to me haha.
If I wanted those shoes to match my frame I'll need to get it strung with Prince Syngut.
That's awesome!Strong disagree! They look horrid to me haha.
If I wanted those shoes to match my frame I'll need to get it strung with Prince Syngut.
Strayfire
Semi-Pro
Angell Custom TC97 Review from (Yonex Vcore Pro 97 HD/Wilson Asian Prostaff 90)
String:
Tecnifibre Multifeel Pink at 24kg/53lbs
Spec:
16x19, 320g unstrung, measured (335g strung), 315mm theoretical unstrung balance (319mm measured), 300 SW unstrung (326 SW strung/measured, 325SW requested), Octane, Grip Type B
Background:
I switched from the Wilson Asian K-Factor Prostaff 90 (AK90) to the Yonex Vcore Pro 97 HD (VCP HD) to escape arm issues with my extensor muscle. While the switch worked well, the VCP HD lacked dictating power and had a very low launch angle, leading me to switch to the Angell TC97.
Serves:
The TC97 hits a truly amazing serve. Previously with the VCP HD I had to overswing and overhit my serves to get an acceptable amount of pace. Otherwise I was locked into craftier serves that hit the extremities of the service box. Keep in mind that I have a relatively small build. If I was Warwrinka I might be okay with this. For me, the TC97 is better because the frame does a lot more work for me and even my second serves seem to fly with the TC97. Because I’m not overswinging, my stamina seems to hold up better on the TC97. I’m still capable of doing my craftier serves on the TC97.
Volleys:
The TC97 is good with volleys, playing similarly to the AK90 but with much more forgiveness. The TC97 with my setup favours a direct “punch” style volley that hits hard. However, the VCP HD, with its plushness and touch is still possibly the nicest volleying stick I have ever played with. It makes it absurdly easy to remove pace and drop shot. I still say that the TC97 is still good because can punch much harder with less effort. Sometimes “power is a strategy too”.
Groundstrokes:
The TC97 has a lot of pop in a small frame. With the VCP HD I missed the pop and power of having a stiffer frame. Balls regularly land deeper in the court whereas they would land short with the VCP HD. This is not a problem with the VCP HD, rather that I still struggle with the 18x20 string pattern. If you come from an 18x20 heritage, you may be better off with the TC97 18x20 as you may find your shots sailing long with the 16x19 string pattern.
In terms of launch angle, the TC97 is slightly higher than the AK90, so I will need some time to adjust to it. However, I feel a lot less vulnerable than playing with the VCP HD because of the dictating power that the TC97 brings to the table.
In terms of groundstrokes, I can achieve a similar amount of power from a more modern frame like the Ezone 98 with higher racquet head speed, however my brain struggles with “understanding” those types of frames. Hence, I tend to gravitate towards box-beam style “control” frames, particularly around 320g.
Comfort/feel:
Larger head sizes mean that if I slightly mishit the ball I won’t be subjected to the frame spinning out of control. This really helps with calming the extensor muscle. The VCP HD has a vibration dampening mesh in the handle to enhance comfort whereas the TC97 has foam in the construction of the frame, much like the AK90. Dampening is a double edged sword because I really like crisp feeling frames. I still get the best feel out of the AK90, but the TC97 is a very good alternative. Unlike the VCP HD and its dampening mesh, the TC97 still gives a nice rewarding feeling when you hit the sweetspot. I will say that the TC97 is beaten by the Dunlop CX 200 Tour (2018) in feel and VCP HD in terms of absolute comfort, however I have arm issues with the CX200T and the VCP HD does not feel as nice. The Yonex Ezone 98 (2107/2020), while it has a similar amount of comfort, also have zero feel and make me feel like I have no idea what my shot was or is going.
Other:
The TC97 eats strings alive. I’ve played a little over 2 hrs and my Multifeel is fraying. That’s usually the 2 week mark for my VCP HD/AK90. We’ll see how quick strings get eaten later on.
Verdict:
I finally feel at home with the TC97. For me it’s a direct upgrade from the AK90 in a way that the VCP HD was not. They say that people tend to enjoy the kind of frames that they grew up with because their games naturally evolved around that type of frame. It allows me to get the comfort and forgiveness of a 97” frame without giving up any of the qualities that made my AK90 so beloved by me. It is a traditional stick with modern forgiveness and comfort while retaining enough similarities to the AK90 to still play that same way. ProStaff 90 refugees should really give this a go.
String:
Tecnifibre Multifeel Pink at 24kg/53lbs
Spec:
16x19, 320g unstrung, measured (335g strung), 315mm theoretical unstrung balance (319mm measured), 300 SW unstrung (326 SW strung/measured, 325SW requested), Octane, Grip Type B
Background:
I switched from the Wilson Asian K-Factor Prostaff 90 (AK90) to the Yonex Vcore Pro 97 HD (VCP HD) to escape arm issues with my extensor muscle. While the switch worked well, the VCP HD lacked dictating power and had a very low launch angle, leading me to switch to the Angell TC97.
Serves:
The TC97 hits a truly amazing serve. Previously with the VCP HD I had to overswing and overhit my serves to get an acceptable amount of pace. Otherwise I was locked into craftier serves that hit the extremities of the service box. Keep in mind that I have a relatively small build. If I was Warwrinka I might be okay with this. For me, the TC97 is better because the frame does a lot more work for me and even my second serves seem to fly with the TC97. Because I’m not overswinging, my stamina seems to hold up better on the TC97. I’m still capable of doing my craftier serves on the TC97.
Volleys:
The TC97 is good with volleys, playing similarly to the AK90 but with much more forgiveness. The TC97 with my setup favours a direct “punch” style volley that hits hard. However, the VCP HD, with its plushness and touch is still possibly the nicest volleying stick I have ever played with. It makes it absurdly easy to remove pace and drop shot. I still say that the TC97 is still good because can punch much harder with less effort. Sometimes “power is a strategy too”.
Groundstrokes:
The TC97 has a lot of pop in a small frame. With the VCP HD I missed the pop and power of having a stiffer frame. Balls regularly land deeper in the court whereas they would land short with the VCP HD. This is not a problem with the VCP HD, rather that I still struggle with the 18x20 string pattern. If you come from an 18x20 heritage, you may be better off with the TC97 18x20 as you may find your shots sailing long with the 16x19 string pattern.
In terms of launch angle, the TC97 is slightly higher than the AK90, so I will need some time to adjust to it. However, I feel a lot less vulnerable than playing with the VCP HD because of the dictating power that the TC97 brings to the table.
In terms of groundstrokes, I can achieve a similar amount of power from a more modern frame like the Ezone 98 with higher racquet head speed, however my brain struggles with “understanding” those types of frames. Hence, I tend to gravitate towards box-beam style “control” frames, particularly around 320g.
Comfort/feel:
Larger head sizes mean that if I slightly mishit the ball I won’t be subjected to the frame spinning out of control. This really helps with calming the extensor muscle. The VCP HD has a vibration dampening mesh in the handle to enhance comfort whereas the TC97 has foam in the construction of the frame, much like the AK90. Dampening is a double edged sword because I really like crisp feeling frames. I still get the best feel out of the AK90, but the TC97 is a very good alternative. Unlike the VCP HD and its dampening mesh, the TC97 still gives a nice rewarding feeling when you hit the sweetspot. I will say that the TC97 is beaten by the Dunlop CX 200 Tour (2018) in feel and VCP HD in terms of absolute comfort, however I have arm issues with the CX200T and the VCP HD does not feel as nice. The Yonex Ezone 98 (2107/2020), while it has a similar amount of comfort, also have zero feel and make me feel like I have no idea what my shot was or is going.
Other:
The TC97 eats strings alive. I’ve played a little over 2 hrs and my Multifeel is fraying. That’s usually the 2 week mark for my VCP HD/AK90. We’ll see how quick strings get eaten later on.
Verdict:
I finally feel at home with the TC97. For me it’s a direct upgrade from the AK90 in a way that the VCP HD was not. They say that people tend to enjoy the kind of frames that they grew up with because their games naturally evolved around that type of frame. It allows me to get the comfort and forgiveness of a 97” frame without giving up any of the qualities that made my AK90 so beloved by me. It is a traditional stick with modern forgiveness and comfort while retaining enough similarities to the AK90 to still play that same way. ProStaff 90 refugees should really give this a go.
galapagos
Hall of Fame
when i demoed vcore pro hd it reminded me a lot of angell tc97. Something in the way the hoop flexes and kicks the ball. Obviously 16x19 pattern will give something more
Overall I just prefer more tempered feel of the tc95 / even tc100. They are more crafty in some ways. tc97 is kinda "box of chocolates" when we are talking about the response but ye..it gives more omph and it can be addicting In my game I need to know the racquet and the output Great review. I play with a TC97 18x20 and agree with pretty much every aspect of your review. Sorry to hear about the string issue. I play with 18g Tier 1 Black Knight (poly) and don't have any wear issues. I am usually cutting it out by choice around the 12-15 hour mark, and I play with a decent amount of spin.
I don't know if I'll every be able to switch racket companies, my serve is my best shot, and Angell frames seem to amplify all the good parts of your serve!