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Jocko said:
Anyone have experience with Angell strings on K7 Red? Specifically Halo Multu...and Halo Comfort?
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I haven't used Halo Multi or Comfort in my K7 Red, but I have used Halo Four, Spin 7, and Halo Touch. I currently have one K7 Red with Spin 7 in the mains, Four in the crosses, both strung at 48 lbs and the other with Spin 7 in the mains, Comfort in the crosses, both strung at 48 lbs. I'm not playing indoors this winter so it's been a few months since I last played with them but when I stopped, I was partial to the Spin 7 / Four set up a little bit more as it was easier on my arm. I like the Spin 7 / Comfort combo as well but I was starting to feel it a little bit in my elbow.

FWIW, I'm intrigued by the new K7 Cyan model. I got my K7 Reds when I was playing almost exclusively on clay and didn't play with them on hard court until the fall. In doubles at a 4.5 plus level on hard court, I found the stock K7 Red a little lacking in stability. I'm wondering if the slightly higher RA in the Cyan (67) versus the Red (64) might help with that in stock form.
 
whysoserious said:
Appreciate everyone contributing to this awesome thread! And of course Paul for making these amazing frames!

Quick question: How does the K7 compare to the TC95 18x20 63RA in terms of comfort?
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Both K7s are more comfortable than every TCxx I tried. The TC95 18x20 63RA has a crisper feeling than both the TC95 16x19 and the K7lime. On the other hand it has a superior immediacy. I love it, in particular at the net, and I find it quite comfortable, even if not so much as the 16x19, or better the K7lime.
 
BPlain said:
I haven't used Halo Multi or Comfort in my K7 Red, but I have used Halo Four, Spin 7, and Halo Touch. I currently have one K7 Red with Spin 7 in the mains, Four in the crosses, both strung at 48 lbs and the other with Spin 7 in the mains, Comfort in the crosses, both strung at 48 lbs. I'm not playing indoors this winter so it's been a few months since I last played with them but when I stopped, I was partial to the Spin 7 / Four set up a little bit more as it was easier on my arm. I like the Spin 7 / Comfort combo as well but I was starting to feel it a little bit in my elbow.

FWIW, I'm intrigued by the new K7 Cyan model. I got my K7 Reds when I was playing almost exclusively on clay and didn't play with them on hard court until the fall. In doubles at a 4.5 plus level on hard court, I found the stock K7 Red a little lacking in stability. I'm wondering if the slightly higher RA in the Cyan (67) versus the Red (64) might help with that in stock form.
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I have the K7 Red, lime and Cyan all 27in. I can say with all certainty that Cyan is much more stable and solid than Red, even though they have lower weight and swingweight. Even with a higher RA, Cyan maintains the same level of comfort as Red. Another difference I felt was that Cyan flexes and twists less than Red.
 
emhtennis said:
Yes, buy and sell, or try and find someone in your local area and see if they'll let you hit with theirs. Many bigger cities have a Facebook tennis group that could work well for this.

Angell rackets hold their value really well on the for-sale section here. If you bought a brand new racket and were careful during the demo you could probably get 80-90% retail value.

You can also hunt the classifieds here and buy used. Older Angell frames usually seem to sell between $110 and $150 depending on the wear and tear.
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No way you're getting 80-90% resale on a used Angell. I haven't seen any sell for $180-200 used. Most are $100 to $150 in very good condition.
 
emhtennis said:
If you hit with it once for an hour or two and manage to keep the bumper clean without any scratches what would you sell it for?
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Depends on the configuration and how popular the frame is. I'd guess $160 or so tops if it's 100% mint and a desirable config (i.e. not a weird TC95 that's 290 grams 2 pts HL). Angell isn't a very popular brand in the US like Yonex, Babolat, Wilson and even the brand new versions of the big manufactures most popular frames barely sell for 180-190+ even in mint condition.
 
Paulo Braz said:
I have the K7 Red, lime and Cyan all 27in. I can say with all certainty that Cyan is much more stable and solid than Red, even though they have lower weight and swingweight. Even with a higher RA, Cyan maintains the same level of comfort as Red. Another difference I felt was that Cyan flexes and twists less than Red.
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Thanks, Paulo. Is the beam on the Cyan the same as the Red?
 
Paulo, i think i have to have this frame now. Damm. Red was superb in terms of feel, comfort, spin, power, control. Just a little lacking in stability. So cyan must be realy good racket.
 
I was wondering how you all ask for a specific swingweight.
I both emailed the company and sent a Facebook message, asking for this procedure, but got no answer.
 
Spiny said:
Paulo, i think i have to have this frame now. Damm. Red was superb in terms of feel, comfort, spin, power, control. Just a little lacking in stability. So cyan must be realy good racket.
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In my opinion Cyan is superior to Red in terms of stability and solidity. My biggest discomfort with Red was in relation to excessive flexion, which does not occur in cyan.
 
Paulo Braz said:
In my opinion Cyan is superior to Red in terms of stability and solidity. My biggest discomfort with Red was in relation to excessive flexion, which does not occur in cyan.
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Maybe you are comparing it to the first batch of K7red's. The second one was way less flexible and more stable.
 
Why do I keep reading this thread :)? Recently have been playing with my Angells again. They are sooo good, but somehow always lack a little something.. I cant seem to find the right strings also. TC100 feels too powerfull with most strings. Maybe I will try RPM rough. Loved RPM rough yellow in the K7 red. Tried BK/GW in the Red and was hitting everything long. Strings didnt snap back. Really didnt like those strings..
 
Jouke said:
Why do I keep reading this thread :)? Recently have been playing with my Angells again. They are sooo good, but somehow always lack a little something.. I cant seem to find the right strings also. TC100 feels too powerfull with most strings. Maybe I will try RPM rough. Loved RPM rough yellow in the K7 red. Tried BK/GW in the Red and was hitting everything long. Strings didnt snap back. Really didnt like those strings..
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maybe luxilon original ? :)
 
BPlain said:
I've played with the TC100 but not the Cyan. My guess is that the Cyan – 67 RA – falls right between the 70 RA and 63 RA TC100 at 300g.
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Not sure really, when I look at the specs of the Cyan I see a stiffer larger head K7 red, a light SW & as I own a K7 there’s nothing that would entice me away from TC series.
 
Jouke said:
Why do I keep reading this thread :)? Recently have been playing with my Angells again. They are sooo good, but somehow always lack a little something.. I cant seem to find the right strings also. TC100 feels too powerfull with most strings. Maybe I will try RPM rough. Loved RPM rough yellow in the K7 red. Tried BK/GW in the Red and was hitting everything long. Strings didnt snap back. Really didnt like those strings..
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I strongly advise you to try BK 1.28 full bed @23 or 24.
It worked very good on my tc95. The TC100 I own (on sale if anyone interested), I barely hit with it but I’m pretty sure it’s a good match.
 
My k7 was one of the first, and it is not that it wasnt stable, just little more would be nice. Like my prince tt310 o3. Will have to wait for some more reviews of cyan.
 
esm said:
Is the TC100 b beam comparable with the K7 box beam?
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I'll defer to someone else on this one as I didn't have my K7 Red at the time I tried out an TC100. My inclination would be to say "yes" because I didn't really notice a difference but again, I'm probably not the best person to speak intelligently to that.
 
BPlain said:
I've played with the TC100 but not the Cyan. My guess is that the Cyan – 67 RA – falls right between the 70 RA and 63 RA TC100 at 300g.
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Except with the TC line, flex is measured on the hairpin directly whereas the K7's stated flex refer to build specs. So your guess is wrong and the Cyan will be much closer to the TC100 70ra in terms of overall flex.

Of course then there are flex profiles which may be substantially different between the two models.
 
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BPlain said:
I've played with the TC100 but not the Cyan. My guess is that the Cyan – 67 RA – falls right between the 70 RA and 63 RA TC100 at 300g.
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Emm not really. TC100 is 70RA before handle, pallet, grip go on. It’s really more 67RA. The K are prebuilt frames and quoted unstrung so both are actually very similar RA
 
topspn said:
Emm not really. TC100 is 70RA before handle, pallet, grip go on. It’s really more 67RA. The K are prebuilt frames and quoted unstrung so both are actually very similar RA
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Actually I have measured three of my TC95 70ra and they all were 68 unstrung / 65 strung. I don't understand why the flex drops when strung but those were the readings.
 
what_army said:
Actually I have measured three of my TC95 70ra and they all were 68 unstrung / 65 strung. I don't understand why the flex drops when strung but those were the readings.
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That is correct, 67 or 68 with the handle, pallet and grip then drops another 2 or 3 once strung. All racquets drop RA measurement a bit once strung.
 
topspn said:
Emm not really. TC100 is 70RA before handle, pallet, grip go on. It’s really more 67RA. The K are prebuilt frames and quoted unstrung so both are actually very similar RA
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Thanks for the clarification. So if I understand correctly...

TC100 70RA is closer to 68 unstrung, 65 strung. Because K series is pre-built, their listed RAs – Red 64, Lime 64, and Cyan 67 – would then only drop by 2 or 3 strung, correct?
 
BPlain said:
Thanks for the clarification. So if I understand correctly...

TC100 70RA is closer to 68 unstrung, 65 strung. Because K series is pre-built, their listed RAs – Red 64, Lime 64, and Cyan 67 – would then only drop by 2 or 3 strung, correct?
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Yes, the Angell custom line is quoted RA of hairpin vs prebuilt quoted unstrung
 
I wonder if cyan is less arm friendly than tc 97,i have sensitive arm and dont want to get in trouble.i am not asking for comparison to tc95 63RA because it would be a big difference in stiffness
 
Nick777 said:
I wonder if cyan is less arm friendly than tc 97,i have sensitive arm and dont want to get in trouble.i am not asking for comparison to tc95 63RA because it would be a big difference in stiffness
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I would say it's likely, considering the final strung RA is likely around 65, whereas the TC97 is around 61-62 (66 hairpin, then minus for palleting and stringing).

Not sure about the trade off in foam vs. kevlar either.

However most(all?) Angells are still arm friendly, so whether or not it would affect you is up in the air.

What is it you're looking for in the Cyan? If it's just the bigger headsize, why not the TC101 which is literally just a bigger TC97?
 
I was also curious about the Cyan too. It has a lower SW than the K7 Red with a slightly higher RA. The higher RA will probably make it bit more stable and play a bit crisper. The Cyan is a platform frame that needs customization at only 300 grams unstrung. The Cyan might have a little more power than the K7 Red but not a huge difference to sacrifice some comfort if you have arm issues to be concerned about. The K7 Red has more stock weight and will be more comfortable than the Cyan. I also know that Angell's frames are all arm friendly in general. Just depends how bad your elbow or shoulder is.
 
Return_Ace said:
I would say it's likely, considering the final strung RA is likely around 65, whereas the TC97 is around 61-62 (66 hairpin, then minus for palleting and stringing).

Not sure about the trade off in foam vs. kevlar either.

However most(all?) Angells are still arm friendly, so whether or not it would affect you is up in the air.

What is it you're looking for in the Cyan? If it's just the bigger headsize, why not the TC101 which is literally just a bigger TC97?
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I actually dont care about the bigger headsize,i tried a lot of Angells and the one thing i didn't like was the high sw especially at tc series, couldn't gel with k7 red either , put some weight in the handle because i didn't like the balance and some on the hoop for stability but then turned out to be slow for my standards
 
tennis347 said:
I was also curious about the Cyan too. It has a lower SW than the K7 Red with a slightly higher RA. The higher RA will probably make it bit more stable and play a bit crisper. The Cyan is a platform frame that needs customization at only 300 grams unstrung. The Cyan might have a little more power than the K7 Red but not a huge difference to sacrifice some comfort if you have arm issues to be concerned about. The K7 Red has more stock weight and will be more comfortable than the Cyan. I also know that Angell's frames are all arm friendly in general. Just depends how bad your elbow or shoulder is.
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Tried k7 red but didn't like it much in stock form and with weight added became a bit cumbersome so why not play with tc95?I prefer fast rackets with good control and stability and especially arm friendly that's why i still play with Dr 98 but try other rackets also
 
TC95 is a very fast racquet, but high Sw (mine is 351) means that you need a good form to play to its full capacity.
I was playing very good lately, swinging the frame very easily, but stopped for 2-3 weeks due to snow and bad weather.
I started playing again this week and the frame feels heavy and slow. My drop in physical form means that the frame is suddenly not as effective as it was.
Same with my I.prestige. I can’t play with them right now because I could not train properly this winter due to lockdown, so the frame is just too much for me, while it wasn’t at other period when there’s were competitions and trainings all week.
 
Tc line is really a players racquet line, even if they seems easy to play they’re not. I think that’s why a lot people go back and forth with them, a dip in form or motivation and they become too wildy or difficult.
But when in shape they are absolute beast.
 
ChrisG said:
Tc line is really a players racquet line, even if they seems easy to play they’re not. I think that’s why a lot people go back and forth with them, form or motivation and they become too wildy or difficult.
But when in shape they are absolute beast.
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I agree, although my tennis level is good i want to make my tennis life easier at mid fortys, not much time to train physically or in the court, competitive players who spent much time in tennis would find tc line interested if not choose lighter and stiffer frames for the modern game
 
Nick777 said:
Tried k7 red but didn't like it much in stock form and with weight added became a bit cumbersome so why not play with tc95?I prefer fast rackets with good control and stability and especially arm friendly that's why i still play with Dr 98 but try other rackets also
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A 95sq inch frame is too small these days unless you are a high level player above 5.0. You are giving up too much forgiveness in the sweet spot IMO. Angell has the XL frames which will not need added weight and will give you the arm comfort.
 
tennis347 said:
A 95sq inch frame is too small these days unless you are a high level player above 5.0. You are giving up too much forgiveness in the sweet spot IMO. Angell has the XL frames which will not need added weight and will give you the arm comfort.
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I dont like frames with sw over 325 in general when i play match with 5.0 players on hard courts , maybe because my style of play is not far behind the baseline so i prefer a fast racket especially for my one hand back hand,in practice or for fun i don't mind sw 330+
 
Nick777 said:
I dont like frames with sw over 325 in general when i play match with 5.0 players on hard courts , maybe because my style of play is not far behind the baseline so i prefer a fast racket especially for my one hand back hand,in practice or for fun i don't mind sw 330+
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I play a similar style which is close to the baseline with OHB. Anything above the high 320's is too much SW for me these days. It can be an endless search with racquets. If you are playing good players that hit with alot of pace then you need a racquet that offers good stability.
 
tennis347 said:
I play a similar style which is close to the baseline with OHB. Anything above the high 320's is too much SW for me these days. It can be an endless search with racquets. If you are playing good players that hit with alot of pace then you need a racquet that offers good stability.
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I am happy with Dr 98 with a little bit of lead,open to new rackets suggestion also
 
Nick777 said:
I am happy with Dr 98 with a little bit of lead,open to new rackets suggestion also
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I hit forty myself last year and have long had arm issues as well. Funny how quickly it becomes about paying pain free rather than just playing well! That's one reason why I switched to a K7 Red from DR 98. I find I'm able to locate my serve better and hit my two handed topsin backhand, slice backhand, and volleys better with the K7 Red. I do miss the stability of the DR98 though and struggle to keep my topspin forehand in the court with K7 Red.

I did the same dance of playing around with added weight on my K7 Red but landed back at stock form. Once I'm playing again – took the winter off due to COVID – I might try the Cyan too see if it provides a little more stability (closer to the DR98) without compromising the comfort and feel of the K7 Red.
 
For me Dr 98 is superior to k7 red in stock form,much better control and stability, when you try cyan let us know!
 
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