From what I have gathered, the SW on Angell isn’t dependent on the customised weight and balance.I did notice the SW is a bit higher so maybe I should have just listened to you and gone 320g/310mmReally not a big deal though, still love it.
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topspn
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Just to close out the loop on this, I did get an Angell TC95 and hit with it today. Loved it. I ended up going 320g/315mm, which is the same specs as my previous Pure Strike and with the idea that I could stick a leather grip on it and it would be very similar to my previous Vcore Pro 330. I did notice the SW is a bit higher so maybe I should have just listened to you and gone 320g/310mm
I strung it with one of my favorite setups, Black Knight mains and Ghost Wire crosses. Very lively, maybe need to mute it a bit so that's something I might play around with.
Anyway, thanks for all the input you gave, and steering me away from the 330g!
Try confidential or Mayami tour hex even all BK will give you more control
Three days later, and it is still there. It was no prank then.
My apologies.
Return_Ace
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It's not like it wasn't posted on April 1st and the possibility could be questioned.
Paul probably going to need to buy a new domain though since it's no longer just angelltennis (although the contact email is angellsport
.I'm considering splurging on an Angell frame as an expensive demo, since everyone speaks very highly of them here. I wrote Paul an (admittedly quite wordy) email asking for some advice about one and a half weeks ago via the contact portal on the Angell site, but I've yet to hear back from him. Is that an unusual amount of time to wait? Or is there a better way to get in touch to ask for tailored racquet help? I feel like maybe I should touch base again. I just don't relish the idea of writing out my speil about what I'm looking for all over again heh.
Gee
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It'll take him more time to answer long complicated email messages. Contacting him by FB is faster.
No worries. I'll give him some more time then.
You might actually be able to offer a little insight. I'm looking at the TC95, and one of my considerations is 16x19 vs 18x20, both of which you seem to own. I've always played with a 16x19, and in my testing I haven't really gelled super well with any 18x20. It's the launch angle I think. I find myself netting balls I expect to go over. But I've barely had more than an hour here or there with the frames, and I'm often switching multiple times within a single session, making it hard to really adjust. I play a pretty flat game with relatively small margin, a lot of first strike tennis, and the general consensus seems to be that 18x20 is more suited to that style. What do you think the strengths of each string pattern are? I suspect I'd be able to adjust given time.
You may still like the 16x19 better. Just use a smooth round poly to control the launch angle so it's not a vertical rocket ship.
Stringing will be a whole other issue. I currently use a hybrid in my Volkls, Babolat VS Touch Natural Gut and RPM Blast, but I bought that cheap and I'm out of my stock so I'm not sure I can continue stringing natural gut at full price, even a half bed. I've never played a full bed of poly before since I had a coach who was very wary of arm injury, but I suspect I'll be trying it out soon.
Gee
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Difficult to judge for somebody else which one is the better one but to me the TC95 16m is easier to play with whereas with the TC95 you'll be punished a little more when your timing/footwork is not well enough.
The first time I played with the 16m I noticed the extra power and slice/spin with my serves.
Besides the sweet area feels bigger as well especially with my return of serves. I am able to hit lobs with the right length better as well whereas they used to be just a little too short often with the 18m.
Only my volleys are a bit more precise with 18m though I can still volley great with the 16m. Honestly it is sometimes a little too lively at the net but on the contrary I get more forgiveness and power from the open pattern.
Using the right strings can solve these issues. First time I played with full bed Pacific Poly Power Pro 1.25 that played very nice. However I prefer a little more feel (especially with my volleys) from a multi like Head RIP Control 1.25. That's why I had it strung with Head RC mains and Pacific PPP crosses the next time. Unfortunately the Head RC already broke after a few hitting sessions and I was getting a little sore elbow.
So the last time I had it strung with a full bed Head RC 1.25 at 24/22 kg and I must say that the feel is so much better! I'm able to hit my stop volleys so much easier with this multi string setup. Control and spin are well enough as well. The only drawback is that these strings start to move pretty fast.
Overall I think the TC95 is more versatile as you can still hit flat strokes great and vary your strokes with different kind of spin with more ease.
I would recommend you the 16m as it 'll help your game a little more because of the slightly higher launch angle and more forgiving string pattern.
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Long story short, I'm selling the Blades.
The TC90 is not perfect but good enough for the switch.
I got it strung with Hawk Touch 1.30 to tame the launch angle and at 24kg, which is my reference tension.
Ended up at 326g strung and 33.5cm balance. (The Blade was 350 and about 31.5 cm balance)
Power is comparable. Both from the ground and on the serve. The TC90 is by no means powerful. If you slow down on your strokes, it is a problem to get the ball over the service line.
Both racquets are absolutely sweet when you hit the middle. The TC90 is fantastic there. Plush yet connected to the ball, stable for the relatively low weight. The foam filling does its job well. Off centre hits will kill your elbow with the blade. With the TC90 they are more punishing in the way of the resulting stroke, less in the way of pain.
The TC90 is surely more spin friendly. I was worried about the launch angle but I am going for a thinner string next time. The occasional sailing ball is a good trade off for the multitudes of bottom of the net defensive shots with the extremely closed Blade. Slice serve is extremely enjoyable with the TC90. I usually don't serve well with a new frame, but it came quite easy with this one.
The TC90 volleys incredibly. It is whippy and stable. I discovered my long lost backhand drop volley today.
On some negatives, both racquets are absolutely dreadful to defend with. But I assume three metres behind the baseline is not where you play your tennis if you go for a racket like this.
And even though it is better than the golden stripes, I don't care for the octane paint job in all honesty. My opponent called it a frog.
Has anyone had a custom paintjob done on their Angell frames? I am talking blacked out with minimum branding if possible.
Just get the black copper version its very conservative/classy looking.
Long story short, I'm selling the Blades.
The TC90 is not perfect but good enough for the switch.
I got it strung with Hawk Touch 1.30 to tame the launch angle and at 24kg, which is my reference tension.
Ended up at 326g strung and 33.5cm balance. (The Blade was 350 and about 31.5 cm balance)
Power is comparable. Both from the ground and on the serve. The TC90 is by no means powerful. If you slow down on your strokes, it is a problem to get the ball over the service line.
Both racquets are absolutely sweet when you hit the middle. The TC90 is fantastic there. Plush yet connected to the ball, stable for the relatively low weight. The foam filling does its job well. Off centre hits will kill your elbow with the blade. With the TC90 they are more punishing in the way of the resulting stroke, less in the way of pain.
The TC90 is surely more spin friendly. I was worried about the launch angle but I am going for a thinner string next time. The occasional sailing ball is a good trade off for the multitudes of bottom of the net defensive shots with the extremely closed Blade. Slice serve is extremely enjoyable with the TC90. I usually don't serve well with a new frame, but it came quite easy with this one.
The TC90 volleys incredibly. It is whippy and stable. I discovered my long lost backhand drop volley today.
On some negatives, both racquets are absolutely dreadful to defend with. But I assume three metres behind the baseline is not where you play your tennis if you go for a racket like this.
And even though it is better than the golden stripes, I don't care for the octane paint job in all honesty. My opponent called it a frog.
Has anyone had a custom paintjob done on their Angell frames? I am talking blacked out with minimum branding if possible.
You better just call the phone number because I doubt he will reply.
So... I think I will be back with the TC95 16m 63RA.
strung one of the TC95s up tonight with fullbed of Halo 3, so will see how it goes at the club session tomorrow arvo. It’s been about 18 months since I played with one... lol
I also strung up an Head +EMP, so these two will have a session together.
strung one of the TC95s up tonight with fullbed of Halo 3, so will see how it goes at the club session tomorrow arvo. It’s been about 18 months since I played with one... lol
I also strung up an Head +EMP, so these two will have a session together.
Aniruddha Phukan
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A question for the Angell owners - which racquet in the lineup will be the closest to a Prince Textreme Tour 100 310?
I'd say K7 Cyan. Both are 100sq in, have Twaron in the layup and the same stiffness (67 vs 65).
K7 Cyan is a bit lighter tho at 300g.
Aniruddha Phukan
New User
Thanks. I had been a click away from getting TC100s multiple times now. I thought that would be closer
TimePlease
Semi-Pro
Twaron in K7's - is that true? The website says "Advanced Aramid".
Twa
Twaron is just a brand name, same as Kevlar. Don't know if Angell uses Twaron or Kevlar or Nomex or any other supplier for their K7 line. Bottom line both the K7 and the Prince Textreme Tour have aramid in their layup.
Gee
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Twaron and Kevlar are common brand names for aramid fibres.
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Legend
super versatile... and extremely sensitive to strings but that's good as you can tailor it. Im on a string safari myself... anything that Angell makes that I should look at. Kinda wish I had an angell bag even. My Volkl is giving out but Ive got a head djokovic bag TW awarded me for reviewing a head stick though. Decisions... but Ill be placing a string and posssibly shoe order with TW soon.
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Legend
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I do love the copper black colorscheme... unfortunately not many shoes have that colorway this year... I like black and orange a lot. At least Angell is still doing it with frames.
An update.
Long story short, I'm selling the Blades.
The TC90 is not perfect but good enough for the switch.
I got it strung with Hawk Touch 1.30 to tame the launch angle and at 24kg, which is my reference tension.
Ended up at 326g strung and 33.5cm balance. (The Blade was 350 and about 31.5 cm balance)
Power is comparable. Both from the ground and on the serve. The TC90 is by no means powerful. If you slow down on your strokes, it is a problem to get the ball over the service line.
Both racquets are absolutely sweet when you hit the middle. The TC90 is fantastic there. Plush yet connected to the ball, stable for the relatively low weight. The foam filling does its job well. Off centre hits will kill your elbow with the blade. With the TC90 they are more punishing in the way of the resulting stroke, less in the way of pain.
The TC90 is surely more spin friendly. I was worried about the launch angle but I am going for a thinner string next time. The occasional sailing ball is a good trade off for the multitudes of bottom of the net defensive shots with the extremely closed Blade. Slice serve is extremely enjoyable with the TC90. I usually don't serve well with a new frame, but it came quite easy with this one.
The TC90 volleys incredibly. It is whippy and stable. I discovered my long lost backhand drop volley today.
On some negatives, both racquets are absolutely dreadful to defend with. But I assume three metres behind the baseline is not where you play your tennis if you go for a racket like this.
And even though it is better than the golden stripes, I don't care for the octane paint job in all honesty. My opponent called it a frog.
Has anyone had a custom paintjob done on their Angell frames? I am talking blacked out with minimum branding if possible.
My tennis elbow is getting better after a week without the Blade.
My best guess is the power of placebo.
ZanderGoga
Semi-Pro
My best guess is the power of foam.
RF_PRO_STAFF
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I officially joined The Official Angell Users Club today. My first ever Angell racquet, K7 red. Bit of an impulsive purchase but there's hardly any secondhand Angell racquets around in my country, so I just had to go for it.
How's the stiffness of the TC90?
I'm currently using ProStaff90 320g unstrung. I love it but I'll need a replacement at some point. Just a bit concerned by 70 RA.
J
joohan
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70RA is before handle is put on and other stuff. Goes down to 64-5 or something like that. Side by side comparison with BLX PS90, they're about even in comfort. Stiffness is the last thing I'd worry about re Angell frames...
Congrats. Look forward to your thoughts. Are you still playing with the VC DG 310 - if so, will be keen to hear your comparisons.
(this reminds me that I need to get my K7 Red back from my mate... it’s been over 12 months now... lol)
Second that.
It feels nothing like 70RA.
topspn
G.O.A.T.
Third that, strung its ~66 RA and more comfortable then the average 66 RA due to being foam filled
Gee
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All being equal they have similar playing characterics, pinpoint control with low launch angle.
However they feel different.
The K7 has a much more muted feel than the foam filled TC frames. Similar feel like the C10 Pro (that also contains kevlar).
The TC95 18m has a softer impact than the TC97 18m. It also has a more uniform flex vs more flex into the hoop with the TC97.
In stock condition the TC frames also are a little less maneuvable but more solid because of a higher sw.
Byon
New User
When I played with Donnay Pro One 97 18×20 Tricore the other day, it reminded me of hitting Angell 95. Donnay is lighter than my now-sold-out Angell 95 that I had (320 unstrung) and less powerful (16 ×19 63RA), but it has the very similar solid feel when I hit with it. I think the similar feel is thanks to the foam within the racquets? But Donnay has the box beam, not the D beam. As a person who reluctantly sold my Angell 95 due to its excessive power with whatever strings I tried, the Donnay feels like a good option for a solid feel, dense pattern, low powered racquet. Maybe, Angell 95 18×20 305g unstrung 63 RA can feel similar?
People often say that the TC custom racquets are more sluggish because they're foam-filled. But wouldn't the effect of the foam be encapsulated by by the weight, balance and swingweight? In other words, if two racquets had identical weight, balance and swingweight, but on was foam-filled, the foam-filled one wouldn't be any slower, right?
topspn
G.O.A.T.
The foam filled TCs are on the average higher SW then the k line which isn’t
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Legend
Sluggishness is simply a question of headlight balance (and twistweight?) and since I order my sticks as headlight as possible (unstrung, no lead or overgrips) they are pretty darn nimble for 95-96 inch frames. They end up being 9 pts HL wn Im done puting tungsten tape, strings and overgrips on them. The most standout element of my game is my service return which is all about not being sluggish so take that for what its worth?
RF_PRO_STAFF
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Thanks. Yeah I've used the DG310 a few times now but still only with Hyper G Soft, which I had never used before (nor regular HG). I'm a bit blown away by the huge amount of spin I get, but I reckon that's mostly from the strings. So I'm not sure if I'll be able to give a good comparison to the K7 Red when I have Hyper G Soft in the DG310. I will try though when I have played with both.
New black grommets for the K7 Red will get delivered here in the next two hours. Also ordered a tan Angell leather grip and a white PU replacement grip with it.
Currently there's the clear colored grommets in the racquet. Black will look way better but I've also come across 5 grommet holes that are either broken or will break soon. The guy I bought it from strung it with Triax 1.33. But although I've never strung racquet before, I can see it's not strung in a correct way. I've read about the soft Angell grommets a few times before, when I didn't have an Angell racquet yet. But I see what those people meant. Grommets and bumpers also just really soft to the touch.
I had originally decided to get it strung with Confidential 1.25. Usually play with 1.20 strings in most racquets but this pattern looks so open that 1.25 will be better. But now I'm quite hesitant about using a shaped poly. Can anyone comment on this? Are shaped poly strings okay in Angell grommets or am I better off with a round string? I have Poly Tour Strike grey and black 1.25, Poly Tour Pro black 1.25, LXN Smart 1.25 (I hate), T1 Ghost Wire 1.22 and an Angell hybrid pack of Halo Touch 1.20 and Halo Comfort 1.24 as available round poly strings. Any recommendations?
I put a new Tourna Pro Thin replacement grip on it because it is an L3 (I'm usually L2) and a Wilson Pro overgrip. With these Triax strings in it, it feels like around 322-325 swingweight. Static weight is 328.17 and balance 32.4. Tomorrow I'm playing with a guy who sometimes strings a racquet for me. I'll give him the K7 Red and probably also the UT to string. Hopefully I'll be able to play with the K7 Red in the weekend then. Will just hit it stock and see what it needs for customization.
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I think I will follow your advice and stick with 16x19. That's what Paul suggested when he got back to me the other day too.
My only conundrum now is that he also pitched me the TC100 because I mentioned wanting a little more pop on my serve, and now I can't get the idea of a 100in thin frame racquet out of my head =)
lol - i think most people ended up with both TC100 & TC95 16m. to me the TC100 plays "easier" than the TC95, all things being equal
Gee
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It depends on what your level and playing style is.
Of course the TC100 is more forgiving than the TC95.
Though serving with the TC100 is a real joy you'll lose some control/precision with your other strokes compared to the TC95 16m.
The TC95 has a better feel as well. The smaller headsize is also more maneuverable.
If you have well developed technique with an allcourt game I would choose the TC95.
if you are more like an agressive baseliner (and used to play on clay) with heavy spin then the TC100 would be more suitable.
One of my favourite racquets the textreme 310g 100 tour, 1 guy I hit with uses it & I’ve hit with a number of Prince new frames. I’d definitely say a 70RA TC100 310g with same balance would be closest match. Both powerful players frames, find the textreme a little stiff for me though, arms sensitive these days. Why change though, what are you after that textreme doesn’t give you?
Classic-TXP-IG MID
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Many have advised staying away from shaped or at least very sharp polys with Angell racquets. I have stuck with this advice for the most part. In the last string job, I put Volkl Cyclone 1.15mm in the Mains of my TC95 18M, and so far, there's no problem that I have identified (but I haven't examined every grommet). I think it was definitely a problem in the earlier days (start of the thread), but I'm not sure whether Paul did something about it or not.
What most people did was when they were ordering from Paul they bought a few extra grommets for insurance. That way they could try a shaped or sharp string and if it cut the grommets, they would replace them and then stick with round polys. Alternatively, stock up on lots of grommets and play with whatever you like.
Aniruddha Phukan
New User
Oh, I absolutely love my textremes, I don't think I'm missing anything from them (even makes my garbage bh slice fairly usable).
I was swayed by the aura and hype around the TCs here, and wanted to try one out. It's completely want over need.
Hope your arm's okay - I thought the textremes were pretty soft, but each to his own. What do you play with?
Happi
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I will give some input, I play with TT100P (2015), TT95 (2015), TC100 and TC95 and I really like all of these frames.
Comparing TT100P to TC100 (310/315 RA63):
Power: TC100 +++ (Prince Powerlevel 1200+)
Control: TT100P +
Stability: TC100 ++
Soft: TC100 +
Feel: +/-
Spin: TC100 +
IMO, the TC100 is like a TT100P on steroids
Aniruddha Phukan
New User
Thanks for sharing. I'm very surprised with the power estimate, I didn't think the TC100 would be that much more powerful