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tennis347

Professional
Just the PJ and tolerance on SW is better
What happened with the Cyan XL? You didn't like it? I was going to consider possibly one of Angell XL but was concerned about maneuverability and the SW being too high. I really like the the K7 Red but it didn't have enough put away power for me.
 

topspn

Legend
What happened with the Cyan XL? You didn't like it? I was going to consider possibly one of Angell XL but was concerned about maneuverability and the SW being too high. I really like the the K7 Red but it didn't have enough put away power for me.
I didn't mind the SW which measured 333.5 strung on mine. However I'm not an extended length guy based on the couple of tries i've made. Just doesn't work for my 1hbh, inside out shots are awkward and takes a bit out of my volleying from anywhere. I really liked the feel and connection the frame provided though.
 

tennis347

Professional
I didn't mind the SW which measured 333.5 strung on mine. However I'm not an extended length guy based on the couple of tries i've made. Just doesn't work for my 1hbh, inside out shots are awkward and takes a bit out of my volleying from anywhere. I really liked the feel and connection the frame provided though.
I also have a one handed backhand and thought that the 330 plus SW would be too much for me these days. Probably in the high 320's is my sweetspot so the XL will probably be out of my wheelhouse. Angell makes some really good frames. I like an RA in the low 60's strung so even the standard Cyan might be too crisp for my taste. Thanks for your feedback!
 

BPlain

New User
Nice. I just put the first two on your list - Hyper G soft 1.25 and Yonex Poly Pro Tour 1.20 – in my K7 Reds and will be testing them out this weekend. I've also gone back and forth with hybrid setups with limited success and much more frequent string breaking.
Wanted to report back on my string play test in case it's helpful to anyone else. I played for about 2 hours this morning and got to try these two strings out both strung at 50lbs in my K7 Reds. Here the string specs via TW string comparison tool:

Hyper G Soft 1.25:
Stiffness: 172 lb/in
Tension loss (%): 29
Energy Return (%): 88
Spin Potential: 5.2

Yonex Poly Pro Tour 1.20:
Stiffness: 189 lb/in
Tension loss (%): 33
Energy Return (%): 87
Spin Potential: 5.2

Given their specs, you won't be surprised to hear I found these strings to play very similar. I'm now leaning towards the Hyper G Soft 1.25 as the slightly thicker gauge seemed to help a bit more in reducing the K7 Red launch angle and that's the primary issue I've been running into with my topspin forehand. My tennis elbow is always a factor in my racket/string choice so I liked having easy access to power and spin yet feeling like I had enough control in a softer but still muted string. Having played with a lot of shaped polys in the past with much higher spin potential ratings, there didn't seem to be too much of a drop off in spin generated which was nice to see.

I also got my new K7 Lime early and had it strung with Angell Halo Lime Hex 1.15 at 50lbs. I liked the additional weight, stability, and head lightness of the K7 Lime. I think there's enough power in the frame and makes a great option if your game is based on consistency. While I liked it, I found it wasn't best suited for my heavy spin game. I definitely kept more balls in the court, but they seemed to lack the heaviness of shot – both in power and spin – that I can more easily generate with K7 Red. I was also missing the extra power and kick/slice on the serve that are more easily accessible in the K7 Red.

Ultimately, I'm going to stick with the K7 Red for now and play around with adding a little weight in the handle to make it a little more head light. We'll see how that goes and if I find the stability and plow through lacking, I might add some additional weight at either 3 and 9 or 2 and 10.

My K7 Lime (stock) came in at about 339/340 grams (11.9 or 12 ounces) strung with an overgrip and damper.
My K7 Red (stock) came in at about 328/329 games (11.55 or 11.6 ounces) strung with an overgrip and damper.
 

Rampart

New User
I briefly had a custom TC95 16 x 19 27.5 inch racket but it broke shortly after I got it (entirely my fault) been using a Burn 95 CV (SW = ~355) ever since. Looking to get myself either a new K7 lime XL or a 28 inch TC97 18x20 for something to better help my forehand and serve. Does anyone have experience with the TC97 18 x 20 in 27.7 or 28inch?
 

skfx

Rookie
Switched from 16x19 tc95 330g copper v3 to tc95 18x20 octane 330g and the octane feels super sluggish in comparison, anyone else had similar experience? Also anyone 4.5-5.0 level and above ever played with heavier racquets and then switched to slightly lighter ones w any success ? Thinking of reducing weight from 330g unstrung to 320g as the sluggishness of octane version is giving me some issues w serves.
 

Return_Ace

Hall of Fame
Switched from 16x19 tc95 330g copper v3 to tc95 18x20 octane 330g and the octane feels super sluggish in comparison, anyone else had similar experience? Also anyone 4.5-5.0 level and above ever played with heavier racquets and then switched to slightly lighter ones w any success ? Thinking of reducing weight from 330g unstrung to 320g as the sluggishness of octane version is giving me some issues w serves.
Did you ask for them to be matched?

Octane by default has a slightly higher SW (5pts i think?), and then the extra string mass for an 18x20 probably adds a few more points as well.
 
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ed70

Professional
Switched from 16x19 tc95 330g copper v3 to tc95 18x20 octane 330g and the octane feels super sluggish in comparison, anyone else had similar experience? Also anyone 4.5-5.0 level and above ever played with heavier racquets and then switched to slightly lighter ones w any success ? Thinking of reducing weight from 330g unstrung to 320g as the sluggishness of octane version is giving me some issues w serves.
I have an octane, I was told 3pts higher as more paint used. I didn’t feel and difference at all in the SW from my matched V2’s.
Maybe it’s more string in your 18x20, also different strings can vary in weight quite considerably.
Only other factor is the balance, I presume they are same balance?
 

skfx

Rookie
yeh they were matched as close as possible for the copper swing weight etc, same balance and static weight too - strange.
 

BPlain

New User
Switched from 16x19 tc95 330g copper v3 to tc95 18x20 octane 330g and the octane feels super sluggish in comparison, anyone else had similar experience? Also anyone 4.5-5.0 level and above ever played with heavier racquets and then switched to slightly lighter ones w any success ? Thinking of reducing weight from 330g unstrung to 320g as the sluggishness of octane version is giving me some issues w serves.
I'm working on this myself right now. It took me a LONG time to adjust from years of playing with the ProStaff line at around 12 oz and 12 points headlight to playing with a Yonex DR98. And once I did get close, my elbow started flaring up again which is how I ultimately I found my way to Angell. I think I'm getting closer with my K7 Red now, just have to get the balance right and find enough stability to overall weight happy medium.
 

skfx

Rookie
I'm working on this myself right now. It took me a LONG time to adjust from years of playing with the ProStaff line at around 12 oz and 12 points headlight to playing with a Yonex DR98. And once I did get close, my elbow started flaring up again which is how I ultimately I found my way to Angell. I think I'm getting closer with my K7 Red now, just have to get the balance right and find enough stability to overall weight happy medium.
Wish Paul would offer 98sq 315g custom option
 

BPlain

New User
Wanted to report back on my string play test in case it's helpful to anyone else. I played for about 2 hours this morning and got to try these two strings out both strung at 50lbs in my K7 Reds. Here the string specs via TW string comparison tool:

Hyper G Soft 1.25:
Stiffness: 172 lb/in
Tension loss (%): 29
Energy Return (%): 88
Spin Potential: 5.2

Yonex Poly Pro Tour 1.20:
Stiffness: 189 lb/in
Tension loss (%): 33
Energy Return (%): 87
Spin Potential: 5.2

Given their specs, you won't be surprised to hear I found these strings to play very similar. I'm now leaning towards the Hyper G Soft 1.25 as the slightly thicker gauge seemed to help a bit more in reducing the K7 Red launch angle and that's the primary issue I've been running into with my topspin forehand. My tennis elbow is always a factor in my racket/string choice so I liked having easy access to power and spin yet feeling like I had enough control in a softer but still muted string. Having played with a lot of shaped polys in the past with much higher spin potential ratings, there didn't seem to be too much of a drop off in spin generated which was nice to see.

I also got my new K7 Lime early and had it strung with Angell Halo Lime Hex 1.15 at 50lbs. I liked the additional weight, stability, and head lightness of the K7 Lime. I think there's enough power in the frame and makes a great option if your game is based on consistency. While I liked it, I found it wasn't best suited for my heavy spin game. I definitely kept more balls in the court, but they seemed to lack the heaviness of shot – both in power and spin – that I can more easily generate with K7 Red. I was also missing the extra power and kick/slice on the serve that are more easily accessible in the K7 Red.

Ultimately, I'm going to stick with the K7 Red for now and play around with adding a little weight in the handle to make it a little more head light. We'll see how that goes and if I find the stability and plow through lacking, I might add some additional weight at either 3 and 9 or 2 and 10.

My K7 Lime (stock) came in at about 339/340 grams (11.9 or 12 ounces) strung with an overgrip and damper.
My K7 Red (stock) came in at about 328/329 games (11.55 or 11.6 ounces) strung with an overgrip and damper.
In my latest attempt to dial in my K7 Red, I added 4 grams to the handle bring the total weight up to 334/335 grams (11.7 to 11.8 ounces) strung with an overgrip and damper. I have it strung with a full bed of Hyper G Soft 1.25 at 50lbs.

I played with this setup this morning and loved it. Forehand is no longer flying on me and it was so much easier to hit my spots from the forehand side with heavy topspin. It felt really comfortable and natural moving the ball around the court from the forehand side.

I also found it easier to knife my slice backhand and find the proper depth. I didn't hit a ton of serves but was finding it easy to hit my spots with sufficient power. Also still had good weight on my kick and slice serves. Volleys were noticeably better as well as I could really point and shoot. If I had one area to nitpick, I had to put a little more into my two handed backhand than I did with the stock set up but that's an easy adjustment to make in exchange for all the positives.

Perhaps mostly importantly, no elbow pain whatsoever and the racket felt plenty stable against my friend who hits with heavy spin. Fingers crossed here but might have found the winning combination after a long trial and error period over the past year.
 
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jalapeno74

New User
I have a K7 Red here and find it awfully hard to string. The grommets for the tie-off and starting ties are nowhere near where the usually are at other frames.
It is so annoying that I don't want to string it again (tried three times and failed two times)
Does anyone have a how-to-stringing pdf for this racket?
 

Wes

Professional
I have a K7 Red here and find it awfully hard to string. The grommets for the tie-off and starting ties are nowhere near where the usually are at other frames.
It is so annoying that I don't want to string it again (tried three times and failed two times)
Does anyone have a how-to-stringing pdf for this racket?
@jalapeno74,

I can help you with the issues that you're having. It's not that hard to string (and, btw, the tie-off locations aren't particularly unusual either).
I have tips to make this way less stressful for you.
Send me a PM & I'll help you out.

Kind of lucky I even saw this here (my time is usually over in the stringing forum). ;)
 

Return_Ace

Hall of Fame
Paul doing a 10% off this week on his new K7 bundles; buying the backpack one is effectively the same as buying two rackets and getting a backpack and some strings thrown in for free.

Wish he'd do something like this for the Custom series, although i get that those are more work for him (or maybe not now there's XL and/or LT versions?)
 
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esm

Hall of Fame
Paul doing a 10% off this week on his new K7 bundles; buying the backpack one is effectively the same as buying two rackets and getting a backpack and some strings thrown in for free.

Wish he'd do something like this for the Custom series, although i get that those are more work for him (or maybe not now there's XL and/or LT versions?)
there is also a string bundle deal going on atm..... (on page two of the string page last time i checked)
 
I didn't mind the SW which measured 333.5 strung on mine. However I'm not an extended length guy based on the couple of tries i've made. Just doesn't work for my 1hbh, inside out shots are awkward and takes a bit out of my volleying from anywhere. I really liked the feel and connection the frame provided though.
yeah that's the same problem I have with xl frames though I do like the way the pound huge serves. Ultimately its the shots put at my feet not the ones i am reaching for that an xl has the most effect on and for me it isnt worth it. I did the serve bot thing in college back when courts were fast. These days I need a nimble frame for defense. Offense is definitely never an issue, especially with the angell TC95.
 

cha cha

Rookie
what are the specs of the tc90? could post a review of it when testing? if possible, could you compare it to another angell who has already played? Thank you very much.
Will do once allowed to play.
It is standard TC90 specs + 310g unstrung, 325 balance.
 
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What's the general recommendation for someone coming from a PS85/90? I was thinking TC95 330/305/63 16x19?
yup... its different than the ps85 but has some of that same mojo or special qualities that enhance certain shots if you got em... when you line up the kinetic chain it destroys the ball. My favorite shot in tennis is the running stefan edberg style backhand. TC95 is such fun with that shot and it does the Sampras style hammered dtl running forehand excellently as well. It volleys quite differently from the ps 85 though but the real plus is that it has modern defensive capabilities and is a great returners/serving frame. It took a while to get used to net play but it came along. Its pretty string sensitive and now that I have to find a new main string (RS Lyon hard to find in the usa) Im back on the hunt? Does Paul make anything similar to Rs Lyon? First strings I will try are yonex poly tour pro 1.25 black and Kirschbaum maxpower 1.25 ... those were next on my list to try years ago when I was on my last string search and found RS Lyon.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
yup... its different than the ps85 but has some of that same mojo or special qualities that enhance certain shots if you got em... when you line up the kinetic chain it destroys the ball. My favorite shot in tennis is the running stefan edberg style backhand. TC95 is such fun with that shot and it does the Sampras style hammered dtl running forehand excellently as well. It volleys quite differently from the ps 85 though but the real plus is that it has modern defensive capabilities and is a great returners/serving frame. It took a while to get used to net play but it came along. Its pretty string sensitive and now that I have to find a new main string (RS Lyon hard to find in the usa) Im back on the hunt? Does Paul make anything similar to Rs Lyon? First strings I will try are yonex poly tour pro 1.25 black and Kirschbaum maxpower 1.25 ... those were next on my list to try years ago when I was on my last string search and found RS Lyon.
Very nice described and I experience the same with the TC95 16x19.
 

Return_Ace

Hall of Fame
And Angell have branched out into Squash :oops:

Seems likes a bit of an odd decision considering as an indoor sport it's probably one of the last to come back after lockdown, but I assume this has been in the works for quite a while and with lockdown easing it's about the right time?

EDIT:
Or I've been trolled by an April Fools joke :unsure:
 
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Return_Ace

Hall of Fame
Surely you have. And quite a good one for that matter.
I don't think it's beyond the realm of impossibility, all Paul has to do is create a new mold since he sources all the relevant material anyway.

And branching out into other racket sports would be a way to diversify his market and increase brand recognition.

Also not like he wouldn't potentially know people that would have requisite knowledge from his Dunlop days, since they have a presence in Squash as well...
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I don't think it's beyond the realm of impossibility, all Paul has to do is create a new mold since he sources all the relevant material anyway.

And branching out into other racket sports would be a way to diversify his market and increase brand recognition.

Also not like he wouldn't potentially know people that would have requisite knowledge from his Dunlop days, since they have a presence in Squash as well...
It's not about realms of possibility when business and money are involved. Paul is not Elon Musk (...yet. Fingers crossed, though). Not familiar enough with the sport, but I'd reckon squash segment is jam-packed with quality (asian) production and the differences between sticks are not as significant to warrant a "custom" frame.

...

Edit: looking at Angell website, I guess I'm totally wrong
 
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ZanderGoga

Semi-Pro
What's the general recommendation for someone coming from a PS85/90? I was thinking TC95 330/305/63 16x19?
Something like that, or perhaps the K7 Lime, if the thing that kept you with the 6.0 all those years was the feel from all that aramid goodness.
 

topspn

Legend
yup... its different than the ps85 but has some of that same mojo or special qualities that enhance certain shots if you got em... when you line up the kinetic chain it destroys the ball. My favorite shot in tennis is the running stefan edberg style backhand. TC95 is such fun with that shot and it does the Sampras style hammered dtl running forehand excellently as well. It volleys quite differently from the ps 85 though but the real plus is that it has modern defensive capabilities and is a great returners/serving frame. It took a while to get used to net play but it came along. Its pretty string sensitive and now that I have to find a new main string (RS Lyon hard to find in the usa) Im back on the hunt? Does Paul make anything similar to Rs Lyon? First strings I will try are yonex poly tour pro 1.25 black and Kirschbaum maxpower 1.25 ... those were next on my list to try years ago when I was on my last string search and found RS Lyon.
You like predictable, consistent, round, low powered poly. Give ice code a try!
 

cha cha

Rookie
I hope to get to court to test it next week. The lockdown has not been treating us well in here.
The fact is I am only switching from the Blade, because the grommets are dead and my stringer refuses to keep repairing them. It is a lovely frame. Harsh but so precise.
 

PD1978

Rookie
Would they do a TC100 with 18x20? Has any requested it before. I have a Yonex VCP HD already and that’s a 97 head size.
 

Lphansen

Rookie
And Angell have branched out into Squash :oops:

Seems likes a bit of an odd decision considering as an indoor sport it's probably one of the last to come back after lockdown, but I assume this has been in the works for quite a while and with lockdown easing it's about the right time?

EDIT:
Or I've been trolled by an April Fools joke :unsure:
Long time ago during the Vantage years, Paul Angell also made squash rackets....
 

emhtennis

Semi-Pro
yup... its different than the ps85 but has some of that same mojo or special qualities that enhance certain shots if you got em... when you line up the kinetic chain it destroys the ball. My favorite shot in tennis is the running stefan edberg style backhand. TC95 is such fun with that shot and it does the Sampras style hammered dtl running forehand excellently as well. It volleys quite differently from the ps 85 though but the real plus is that it has modern defensive capabilities and is a great returners/serving frame. It took a while to get used to net play but it came along. Its pretty string sensitive and now that I have to find a new main string (RS Lyon hard to find in the usa) Im back on the hunt? Does Paul make anything similar to Rs Lyon? First strings I will try are yonex poly tour pro 1.25 black and Kirschbaum maxpower 1.25 ... those were next on my list to try years ago when I was on my last string search and found RS Lyon.
I would give Head Lynx Tour (in the champagne color) a demo. It's not too expensive, and it feels amazing. It is a well controlled 6-sided poly. Only downside is that it won't give you any free power, but everything you hit will feel good.
 

radicalpro

New User
I was the one suggesting this, and I really think the 320g / 310mm is your safest bet. 330g in an Angell is really beefy, even with a 305mm balance point. These frames, especially the 63RA ones, swing heavier than expected due to the foam filled construction.

It's all personal, of course, but the 320g / 310mm should provide ample plow through and stability, if this is what you're after. I'd also recommend getting it with a synthetic grip. This way, if you really feel you need to increase your static weight, you can always swap it for a heavier leather or hybrid grip, and counter balance with a couple of grams of lead at 12. This is easy to do. Whereas if you get the 330g and it turns out to be too heavy, you're stuck.
Just to close out the loop on this, I did get an Angell TC95 and hit with it today. Loved it. I ended up going 320g/315mm, which is the same specs as my previous Pure Strike and with the idea that I could stick a leather grip on it and it would be very similar to my previous Vcore Pro 330. I did notice the SW is a bit higher so maybe I should have just listened to you and gone 320g/310mm :p Really not a big deal though, still love it.

I strung it with one of my favorite setups, Black Knight mains and Ghost Wire crosses. Very lively, maybe need to mute it a bit so that's something I might play around with.

Anyway, thanks for all the input you gave, and steering me away from the 330g!
 

esm

Hall of Fame
I did notice the SW is a bit higher so maybe I should have just listened to you and gone 320g/310mm :p Really not a big deal though, still love it.
From what I have gathered, the SW on Angell isn’t dependent on the customised weight and balance. 8-B:love:
 

topspn

Legend
Just to close out the loop on this, I did get an Angell TC95 and hit with it today. Loved it. I ended up going 320g/315mm, which is the same specs as my previous Pure Strike and with the idea that I could stick a leather grip on it and it would be very similar to my previous Vcore Pro 330. I did notice the SW is a bit higher so maybe I should have just listened to you and gone 320g/310mm :p Really not a big deal though, still love it.

I strung it with one of my favorite setups, Black Knight mains and Ghost Wire crosses. Very lively, maybe need to mute it a bit so that's something I might play around with.

Anyway, thanks for all the input you gave, and steering me away from the 330g!
Try confidential or Mayami tour hex even all BK will give you more control
 

cha cha

Rookie
I don't think it's beyond the realm of impossibility, all Paul has to do is create a new mold since he sources all the relevant material anyway.

And branching out into other racket sports would be a way to diversify his market and increase brand recognition.

Also not like he wouldn't potentially know people that would have requisite knowledge from his Dunlop days, since they have a presence in Squash as well...
Three days later, and it is still there. It was no prank then.
My apologies.
 

Return_Ace

Hall of Fame
Three days later, and it is still there. It was no prank then.
My apologies.
It's not like it wasn't posted on April 1st and the possibility could be questioned.

Paul probably going to need to buy a new domain though since it's no longer just angelltennis (although the contact email is angellsport :unsure: .
 

spun_out

Semi-Pro
hi,

what is the average sw of the octane version of tc100, 27", ra63? is it possible to get one around 325sw strung? if so, would this be in the lower end of the range?

thanks.
 

Andykay

New User
I'm considering splurging on an Angell frame as an expensive demo, since everyone speaks very highly of them here. I wrote Paul an (admittedly quite wordy) email asking for some advice about one and a half weeks ago via the contact portal on the Angell site, but I've yet to hear back from him. Is that an unusual amount of time to wait? Or is there a better way to get in touch to ask for tailored racquet help? I feel like maybe I should touch base again. I just don't relish the idea of writing out my speil about what I'm looking for all over again heh.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
I'm considering splurging on an Angell frame as an expensive demo, since everyone speaks very highly of them here. I wrote Paul an (admittedly quite wordy) email asking for some advice about one and a half weeks ago via the contact portal on the Angell site, but I've yet to hear back from him. Is that an unusual amount of time to wait? Or is there a better way to get in touch to ask for tailored racquet help? I feel like maybe I should touch base again. I just don't relish the idea of writing out my speil about what I'm looking for all over again heh.
It'll take him more time to answer long complicated email messages. Contacting him by FB is faster.
 

Andykay

New User
It'll take him more time to answer long complicated email messages. Contacting him by FB is faster.
No worries. I'll give him some more time then.

You might actually be able to offer a little insight. I'm looking at the TC95, and one of my considerations is 16x19 vs 18x20, both of which you seem to own. I've always played with a 16x19, and in my testing I haven't really gelled super well with any 18x20. It's the launch angle I think. I find myself netting balls I expect to go over. But I've barely had more than an hour here or there with the frames, and I'm often switching multiple times within a single session, making it hard to really adjust. I play a pretty flat game with relatively small margin, a lot of first strike tennis, and the general consensus seems to be that 18x20 is more suited to that style. What do you think the strengths of each string pattern are? I suspect I'd be able to adjust given time.
 

emhtennis

Semi-Pro
No worries. I'll give him some more time then.

You might actually be able to offer a little insight. I'm looking at the TC95, and one of my considerations is 16x19 vs 18x20, both of which you seem to own. I've always played with a 16x19, and in my testing I haven't really gelled super well with any 18x20. It's the launch angle I think. I find myself netting balls I expect to go over. But I've barely had more than an hour here or there with the frames, and I'm often switching multiple times within a single session, making it hard to really adjust. I play a pretty flat game with relatively small margin, a lot of first strike tennis, and the general consensus seems to be that 18x20 is more suited to that style. What do you think the strengths of each string pattern are? I suspect I'd be able to adjust given time.
You may still like the 16x19 better. Just use a smooth round poly to control the launch angle so it's not a vertical rocket ship.
 
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