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EDIT: Found some discussion on the grip shape differences.

On a side note, the Angell overgrips are amazing - best I've ever tried. Perfect balance of soft touch, tackiness, thickness, etc.
 
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tpro2000

Rookie
Hey guys, can anyone quickly that a C grip is like the Prince? I can't remember.

Also if a V3 Tc100 bumper is same as the V2. Thanks!

I emailed them but haven't heard back
 

esm

Legend
Thanks.

And a C grip is supposed to mimic a prince grip correct?
yep


I don’t know my grip shape
There isn’t a right or a wrong choice here, it is purely preference. To guide you, the Angell A shape is the same as Head. The Angell C shape is the same as Prince, and the Angell B Shape is a generic octagon as used by Wilson, Babolat, Dunlop etc. If you currently use any other branded racket and wish for some guidance on which handle shape to choose, please contact us for help.


 

tpro2000

Rookie
yep


I don’t know my grip shape
There isn’t a right or a wrong choice here, it is purely preference. To guide you, the Angell A shape is the same as Head. The Angell C shape is the same as Prince, and the Angell B Shape is a generic octagon as used by Wilson, Babolat, Dunlop etc. If you currently use any other branded racket and wish for some guidance on which handle shape to choose, please contact us for help.



Thanks! Man, idk how I missed that.
 
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galapagos

Hall of Fame
If it's a 16x19, @galapagos did an extensive review of string setups in his thread "ultimate string of choice". Sure you'll find some good tips for your racquet.
thank you for the recognition ! Here is the link to my string reviews:

(mainly reviewed with TC95 16x19 but sometimes on top of that I share the experience with Blades, Radical, Gravity Pro, Prestige MP. I also have TC95 18x20 , used to have K7 red, k7 lime, tc97 16x19,18x20, tc100 63ra, Yonex Ezone Dr98, Speed Pro, pro staff 95......) lol.... where do I sign for the therapy?
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
Can someone on this thread please dissuade me from getting a TC95 63RA 18x20?

I have 3 of the 16x19 version, which I really like, and suits my game pretty well, but sometimes miss the control and trajectory I get on my sliced backhand with an 18x20 pattern. I could also do with a bit more durability in the strings, as I break a 4G Soft in 8-9 hours max with the 16x19. But then, I am concerned that the trade-off will be a much lower net clearance on return / forehand, and generally more demanding frame. I also suspect I'd have to experiment with lower tensions / shaped strings / thinner gauges in order to get a bit more spin / power / launch.

Any insights from people who have played both patterns? Should I just stick with the 16x19 and not bother with the 18x20?
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Can someone on this thread please dissuade me from getting a TC95 63RA 18x20?

I have 3 of the 16x19 version, which I really like, and suits my game pretty well, but sometimes miss the control and trajectory I get on my sliced backhand with an 18x20 pattern. I could also do with a bit more durability in the strings, as I break a 4G Soft in 8-9 hours max with the 16x19. But then, I am concerned that the trade-off will be a much lower net clearance on return / forehand, and generally more demanding frame. I also suspect I'd have to experiment with lower tensions / shaped strings / thinner gauges in order to get a bit more spin / power / launch.

Any insights from people who have played both patterns? Should I just stick with the 16x19 and not bother with the 18x20?

I have found the TC95 63RA 18x20 to be one of the best racquets out there. I found the benefits to outway the negatives and, even though I have both the 16x19 and 18x20, I prefer the 18x20 by a large margin.

I use lower gauge strings in the 18x20 and am able to hit all my strokes. The feel of the racquet is a personal and individual thing.
 

Happi

Hall of Fame
I have found the TC95 63RA 18x20 to be one of the best racquets out there. I found the benefits to outway the negatives and, even though I have both the 16x19 and 18x20, I prefer the 18x20 by a large margin.

I use lower gauge strings in the 18x20 and am able to hit all my strokes. The feel of the racquet is a personal and individual thing.

I agree, I have TC95 16x19 and 18x20 in both RA63 and RA70 versions. My favorite is the 18x20 due to excellent control, and I don't seem to loose much spin. I generally go 2kg lower in the 18x20 compared to the 16x19 with the same string. Power is a little lower on the 18x20, but there is plenty anyway. I am very sensitive to stiff poly strings, but I don't seem to be sensitive to the RA, both versions TC95 63 and 70 plays soft.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
Can someone on this thread please dissuade me from getting a TC95 63RA 18x20?

I have 3 of the 16x19 version, which I really like, and suits my game pretty well, but sometimes miss the control and trajectory I get on my sliced backhand with an 18x20 pattern. I could also do with a bit more durability in the strings, as I break a 4G Soft in 8-9 hours max with the 16x19. But then, I am concerned that the trade-off will be a much lower net clearance on return / forehand, and generally more demanding frame. I also suspect I'd have to experiment with lower tensions / shaped strings / thinner gauges in order to get a bit more spin / power / launch.

Any insights from people who have played both patterns? Should I just stick with the 16x19 and not bother with the 18x20?
Just stay with the TC95 16x19 and use a thicker gauge string. That'll give you a bit more control and more durability in the strings.

Earlier I also played several years with TC95 18x20 (that I still own) but I was surprised how much more menacing some strokes like my backhand slice and service are with the 16x19.
 

Rysty

Rookie
Can someone on this thread please dissuade me from getting a TC95 63RA 18x20?

I have 3 of the 16x19 version, which I really like, and suits my game pretty well, but sometimes miss the control and trajectory I get on my sliced backhand with an 18x20 pattern. I could also do with a bit more durability in the strings, as I break a 4G Soft in 8-9 hours max with the 16x19. But then, I am concerned that the trade-off will be a much lower net clearance on return / forehand, and generally more demanding frame. I also suspect I'd have to experiment with lower tensions / shaped strings / thinner gauges in order to get a bit more spin / power / launch.

Any insights from people who have played both patterns? Should I just stick with the 16x19 and not bother with the 18x20?

Here's an old message from me:

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I have both string patterns of TC 95, 63 RA, and I have written this before: The biggest difference is the feel.

As you can expect, the 16x19 is more powerful and easy to hit spin with. The 18x20 is muted, low-powered and maybe better against very hard hitters (easier to keep the ball low).

But still, they don't play that different. I can switch back and forth between them. After all, they have identical specs except the string pattern.

Both are good serving racquets, but the 16x19 may be the best I've ever experienced. On the other hand, the 18x20 gives me better results on fast reaction shots (no idea why, but that's how it is).
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joohan

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Can someone on this thread please dissuade me from getting a TC95 63RA 18x20?

I have 3 of the 16x19 version, which I really like, and suits my game pretty well, but sometimes miss the control and trajectory I get on my sliced backhand with an 18x20 pattern. I could also do with a bit more durability in the strings, as I break a 4G Soft in 8-9 hours max with the 16x19. But then, I am concerned that the trade-off will be a much lower net clearance on return / forehand, and generally more demanding frame. I also suspect I'd have to experiment with lower tensions / shaped strings / thinner gauges in order to get a bit more spin / power / launch.

Any insights from people who have played both patterns? Should I just stick with the 16x19 and not bother with the 18x20?

Played with 18x20 for a year and could not dial in my slice at all, something was off. One of my favourite shots, just FYI. Might work for you of course but all in all, I'd say it's not worth the trouble. I used to add something about resale value in case it does not work out but not sure anymore. Quite a lot of Angells in the For sale section.
 

ed70

Professional
Can someone on this thread please dissuade me from getting a TC95 63RA 18x20?

I have 3 of the 16x19 version, which I really like, and suits my game pretty well, but sometimes miss the control and trajectory I get on my sliced backhand with an 18x20 pattern. I could also do with a bit more durability in the strings, as I break a 4G Soft in 8-9 hours max with the 16x19. But then, I am concerned that the trade-off will be a much lower net clearance on return / forehand, and generally more demanding frame. I also suspect I'd have to experiment with lower tensions / shaped strings / thinner gauges in order to get a bit more spin / power / launch.

Any insights from people who have played both patterns? Should I just stick with the 16x19 and not bother with the 18x20?
Pretty closed the 18X20 TC95’s as too the TC97 18X20. In my opinion there’s only a certain type of players who can truly benefit from these type of frames. Either an old school player who’s bought up on wooden frames using gut strings hits flat & doesn’t like technology or a high level player who generates pace/spin & needs lots of control. Most players are just fine with 16x19 or similar.
 

mozzer

Hall of Fame
After more than a year with ASL2 I realize that I have not post a feedback yet. Mad year and less playing tennis due to covid19 restrictions :confused:
But first impressions were true, I`m still convinced that ASL 2 is a great racket: solid, stable, comfortable, quite powerful but with decent control. It definitely has no weaknesses, it`s a fun to play from the baseline, at the net and to serve with. I can play both defensive and offensive game, drop shots and lobs because I can feel the racket very good and predict the response. It`s the first Angell that I don`t want to customize because everything suits me very well (mass, balance, SW, maneuverability). More pop and more forgiving than my K7 Red which is customized with some lead at 3&9+handle. Love it with low to mid tension (20-21-22 kg) full poly (MSV focus hex 1.23 for example).
So I have only positive words to describe the ASL2, definitely great stick that I can recommend for everyone from 4.0 NTRP to try. Of course there are a lot of more powerful rackets and lots of more control-oriented frames but when you want to mix it all with comfort to suit your game ASL2 would be a very good choice.
Have you played with the TC95? I have used Vantage 95 for about 10 years and looking for something a little more forgiving.
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
Played with 18x20 for a year and could not dial in my slice at all, something was off. One of my favourite shots, just FYI. Might work for you of course but all in all, I'd say it's not worth the trouble. I used to add something about resale value in case it does not work out but not sure anymore. Quite a lot of Angells in the For sale section.

I think this is the voice of reason. As much as I might like it on some shots, it's just going to be less forgiving, and I am not getting any youger. I'm better off continuing to experiment with the string set-up. Just transitioned from a full bed of 4G Soft to a hybrid 4G Soft mains / Triax crosses, and it seems promising.
 

ed70

Professional
I think this is the voice of reason. As much as I might like it on some shots, it's just going to be less forgiving, and I am not getting any youger. I'm better off continuing to experiment with the string set-up. Just transitioned from a full bed of 4G Soft to a hybrid 4G Soft mains / Triax crosses, and it seems promising.
There are a few livelier 18x20 frames on market that I’ve hit with that offer a nice balance of control & power, Prince textreme 100P & head speed pro. Also some closed 16x19’s like Wilson UT Pro & Prince textreme tour 95.
 

ChrisG

Professional
I've played a lot of competition this past weeks while resisting to pick another frame that wasn't a TC95 16x19 63ra.
I've been going back and forth with this frame for the past 2y, my main complaint was the lack of control as many have already stated.
What I've (re)discovered is that this is truly a players frame. My fitness in my first matches wasn't good enough and the result was too many unforced errors. Once I got more in shape, and more confident in my shot selection, the frame truly shined again.
If you only use your arm and shoulder like most recreational players, then you're screwed, too much raw power. You really need to commit and hit hard, bending the knees, getting the whole kinetic chain in movement and going for it. Hight racquet head speed is key to keep the ball inside the court (as with all racquets)
What I'm trying to say is that it's quite a demanding racquet, but not in the way of what we usually think a demanding racquet is: low powered, not spin friendly etc..
TC95 is a whole new animal, a raging bull, and riding it needs some proper preparation.
If you get to dial in, then you're in for some really good shots. Serves bombs, FH and BH are very solid, quite stable against big hitters without any lead (V3 is more stable than v2 imho).
I play with Tourna silver 7 tour (1.25), a shaped crisp poly.
My style of play is more flat than spin though, so the frame add a bit more variety to my game than my 18x20 prestige or UT.
Great frame and awesome copper PJ
 

ed70

Professional
Yes with the higher launch angle & access to power within the frame rhs & spin are best combinations to get the control & penetration, same with the TC100.
 

cha cha

Professional
Or just pay the damn taxes. I am sure you have wasted your money on worse things. : - )
What Paul will do automatically is report a much lower price of the items in your package, which the customs agents will choose to believe or not. The gift strategy will work more or less the same.

By the way, bye bye copper.
Came to the stringer today to pick up my stick only to find out the copper is back.
He said: "The spray paint was despicable. 3 Minutes of paint remover and it was gone. If you want it black, leave it here, and I will sand it and paint it properly."
Guess I am sticking with the copper. : - )
 

ChrisG

Professional
Thi
Came to the stringer today to pick up my stick only to find out the copper is back.
He said: "The spray paint was despicable. 3 Minutes of paint remover and it was gone. If you want it black, leave it here, and I will sand it and paint it properly."
Guess I am sticking with the copper. : - )
This is a beauty, can’t stop watching mine. A clear improvement compared to the v2
 

Dansan

Semi-Pro
TC95 is a whole new animal, a raging bull, and riding it needs some proper preparation.
If you get to dial in, then you're in for some really good shots. Serves bombs, FH and BH are very solid, quite stable against big hitters without any lead (V3 is more stable than v2 imho).

TC95 16x19 63RA is such a badass frame. Serves are pretty unreal. Monster 1HBH, FH...volleys - deep balls with big spin. It's easy to push the opponent back ...i've kept this one longer than any other racquet. Glad there are others that can enjoy the magic this thing offers.
 

esm

Legend
Not sure if this has been asked before - does anyone know the 3 x weight pieces/slots “configurations” in the hairpin to achieve certain weight and balance? I understand the weight pieces are different weights (not sure if all 3 are different weights though).
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
It depends on the balance, polarity and swing weight desired. Lower slots also affects polarity more.
Not sure if this has been asked before - does anyone know the 3 x weight pieces/slots “configurations” in the hairpin to achieve certain weight and balance? I understand the weight pieces are different weights (not sure if all 3 are different weights though).
 

tpro2000

Rookie
So I picked up 2 new TC100 V3 from Angell, same weight/balance/stiffness, everything as my V2s.

Strung the same way, same string. Tourna Silver 7 tour at 47/44.

Modified it the way I modified my others and it sits at 346g static, 331 swingweight

It felt way stiffer than than my V2s.

I dropped the tension to 45/42 and it feels better.

Going from a V2 to a V3, is there really that much difference in frame feel (all things being equal)?
 

tpro2000

Rookie
Added info... My current v2 is also 346g static / 342 swing weight with the exact same mods to the T.

Thanks for any info!
 

emhtennis

Hall of Fame
So I picked up 2 new TC100 V3 from Angell, same weight/balance/stiffness, everything as my V2s.

Strung the same way, same string. Tourna Silver 7 tour at 47/44.

Modified it the way I modified my others and it sits at 346g static, 331 swingweight

It felt way stiffer than than my V2s.

I dropped the tension to 45/42 and it feels better.

Going from a V2 to a V3, is there really that much difference in frame feel (all things being equal)?
Could also be due to the fact that your old V2s are just that - old and broken in. The graphite in rackets slowly breaks down like any other material under repetitive stress so its feel will slowly change over time.

Because most players play regularly and end up switching racket brands/models every 2 or 3 years they never notice. Us "Angell zealots" have the interesting situation of being able to do exactly what you just did: buy almost identical rackets several years apart, so the difference becomes much more noticeable.

Now, all that just being said, it is also possible that Paul has had to make slight modifications to manufacturing process, the source of his graphite, etc etc which will also contribute to a difference in feel.
 

cha cha

Professional
Do they put lead under the bumper, or is it all in the hairpin?
I would look myself but do not want to remove the bumper yet. The grommets are shot. No way I could get it back on.
 

esm

Legend
Do they put lead under the bumper, or is it all in the hairpin?
I would look myself but do not want to remove the bumper yet. The grommets are shot. No way I could get it back on.
Shouldn’t have lead under the grommets. I have only seen weight pieces on the hairpin.
 

cha cha

Professional
I have a question.
I got an angel TC 90.
I don't like the grommets shape (Cap?). Has anyone trimmed them?
Good idea. Just cut the edges of using a pair of larger scissors. You have got health insurance, yes?
If you wait a day, I will cut out the strings tomorrow and show you what they look like installed.
 

tennis347

Hall of Fame
Good discount today during the men final!
Just ordered a K7 Red XL as I tried the standard version previously and wanted to see how the XL version plays. I got a discount of 25 euros off. I will post my review once I get it strung and play with it.
 

tpro2000

Rookie
Could also be due to the fact that your old V2s are just that - old and broken in. The graphite in rackets slowly breaks down like any other material under repetitive stress so its feel will slowly change over time.

Because most players play regularly and end up switching racket brands/models every 2 or 3 years they never notice. Us "Angell zealots" have the interesting situation of being able to do exactly what you just did: buy almost identical rackets several years apart, so the difference becomes much more noticeable.

Now, all that just being said, it is also possible that Paul has had to make slight modifications to manufacturing process, the source of his graphite, etc etc which will also contribute to a difference in feel.

I do know when I asked Paul a bit ago when the V 3 came out what the differences were, and it had to do a little bit with how the frames were made to keep the tolerances even tighter upon Manufacturing so that the specs between frames were very very close.

My coworker did say the same thing that the racquets were heavily worn and probably loosened up a little bit over time. I had gotten mine used but they were in very good condition (4 frames).

I've now gotten down to basically using 2 because 2 definitely don't feel the same anymore. But the V2 at 47/44 feels almost identical now to the V3 at 45/42 with the V3 feeling just a hair stiffer.

And the octane is very very pretty
 

emhtennis

Hall of Fame
I do know when I asked Paul a bit ago when the V 3 came out what the differences were, and it had to do a little bit with how the frames were made to keep the tolerances even tighter upon Manufacturing so that the specs between frames were very very close.

My coworker did say the same thing that the racquets were heavily worn and probably loosened up a little bit over time. I had gotten mine used but they were in very good condition (4 frames).

I've now gotten down to basically using 2 because 2 definitely don't feel the same anymore. But the V2 at 47/44 feels almost identical now to the V3 at 45/42 with the V3 feeling just a hair stiffer.

And the octane is very very pretty
The octane is the biggest difference then. Paul has said to others on the board that inquired about it, that the octane paint adds apx 5 points of swingweight to the frame.
 
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