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tennis347

Hall of Fame
Has anyone tried to K7 Red XL? If so, please provide some feedback as to the playability. Thanks.
Just received my K7 Red XL and I have to say that new cosmetics are awesome. The fit and finish of Angell racquets are top notch. I put on my Wilson Contour grip and the frame weighs 310 grams unstrung which is right in my wheel house. I would estimate 325 grams strung and and a SW of high 320's to 330. Definitely no lead needed at this time. Should be an interesting racquet with the extra 1/2. More power, stability and reach over the standard version which I felt was a bit low in power. I will post my review after I get it strung and play with it over the weekend.
 

Jocko

Rookie
Hit a couple sessions with a new K7 Red...and that’s all it took to know…a superb racquet! Super responsive, good pop, spin friendly, extremely maneuverable. And, of course, very comfortable. As well as really great looking. But, most surprising…truly exceptional touch.

Just phenomenal…

Kudos to Paul Angell for creating an absolute, across the board, winner!
 

mpournaras

Hall of Fame
Hit a couple sessions with a new K7 Red...and that’s all it took to know…a superb racquet! Super responsive, good pop, spin friendly, extremely maneuverable. And, of course, very comfortable. As well as really great looking. But, most surprising…truly exceptional touch.

Just phenomenal…

Kudos to Paul Angell for creating an absolute, across the board, winner!
wait until you try the Lime :)
 

tennis347

Hall of Fame
Hit a couple sessions with a new K7 Red...and that’s all it took to know…a superb racquet! Super responsive, good pop, spin friendly, extremely maneuverable. And, of course, very comfortable. As well as really great looking. But, most surprising…truly exceptional touch.

Just phenomenal…

Kudos to Paul Angell for creating an absolute, across the board, winner!
I just bought the K7 Red XL and agree that the standard version is a gem of a racquet. The comfort, spin and touch is phenomenal along with good control considering the very open string pattern. I will be posting my review on the XL version by the weekend.
 

CosmosMpower

Hall of Fame
does anyone get an occasional squeak from the pallet when hitting?

If you're not planning to change pallets ever you can super glue the butt cap to the pallets it won't ever squeak again but you can't take it off without breaking the pallets. You could also staple them down again but I find it can come loose sometimes and still squeak. Re-stapling the butt cap to the pallets over and over will also break them at the bottom.
 

tennis347

Hall of Fame
I just bought the K7 Red XL and agree that the standard version is a gem of a racquet. The comfort, spin and touch is phenomenal along with good control considering the very open string pattern. I will be posting my review on the XL version by the weekend.
I played with the K7 Red XL today for 2 hours in very hot and humid conditions in NY. I played with the standard version for a while so this was a very easy transition. For starters, the new cosmetics are awesome and the frame has a very modern look. In terms of playability, it's very user-friendly as there's easy depth and spin with a moderate swing. I found that I didn't have to work very hard and I didn't get tired playing in the heat with this racquet. The stand out features are the top notch stability, plush feel and the comfort. For a 11.5 ounce strung racquet and the 330 swingweight, this racquet will appeal to a 4.0 baseline player who is aggressive or can grind. I also found some nice angles on my cross court forehand and backhand. Serving was quite good as I only needed a relaxed swing to create good pop and spin. On returns only short backswing is needed. I only struggled a little bit on on my one handed topspin backhand but that's expected with a XL as there's an adjustment period. My slice backhand was penetrating and forced errors on my hitting partner
With a little more playing time my one handed topspin backhand will be a weapon. I strung it with goat string Gosen Micro 16 at 55lbs which was right on the money. Definitely a really nice offering from Angell!! I finally found a racquet that doesn't need a customization. I will play with it for a few more weeks and most likely by a second one.
 
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emhtennis

Hall of Fame
So, I'm actually playing really well right now. I feel very dialed in to my TC97 18x20. I've kept the same string setup for almost 8 months, and I can play and execute my game the way I like almost every time I go out.

But.... in the spirit of never being satisfied I have begun to think about what I would switch to if the itch got too bad. My TC97 is 18x20 with a 4 1/2 grip, 310g bare, and 335g fully strung with overgrip. Balance is probably 5 or 6pt HL when strung. I play with Tier 1 Black Knight 18g at 49lbs. Like I said, I've become very comfortable with this setup. However, when I'm really pushed my defense suffers sometimes, and so does my spin production. If I'm playing well, and my footwork is cooperating, I have no issues cranking out heavy balls from both sides, but the racket doesn't give you anything for free.

So, all that being said, if I had $500 to spend on two more rackets, this is what I would do. In the spirit of Djokovic I would get TC97 16x19s in 27.25in length. A little extra power, a little more spin. I would drop down to a 4 3/8 grip to make it easier on my wrist when creating heavy top spin. I would ask Paul if he could keep the racket between 305-310 but still at 10-11pt HL using some silicone in the handle. I want to feel slightly faster turnover when I swing. I would probably switch to 16 or 17g Black Knight. Oh, and I would get the Octane paint job to take advantage of the slightly heavier swingweight.

So, to summarize, A 16x19 27.25in 4 3/8 frame with some silicone in the handle to keep it at 310g but 10-12pt HL.
 
So, I'm actually playing really well right now. I feel very dialed in to my TC97 18x20. I've kept the same string setup for almost 8 months, and I can play and execute my game the way I like almost every time I go out.

But.... in the spirit of never being satisfied I have begun to think about what I would switch to if the itch got too bad. My TC97 is 18x20 with a 4 1/2 grip, 310g bare, and 335g fully strung with overgrip. Balance is probably 5 or 6pt HL when strung. I play with Tier 1 Black Knight 18g at 49lbs. Like I said, I've become very comfortable with this setup. However, when I'm really pushed my defense suffers sometimes, and so does my spin production. If I'm playing well, and my footwork is cooperating, I have no issues cranking out heavy balls from both sides, but the racket doesn't give you anything for free.

So, all that being said, if I had $500 to spend on two more rackets, this is what I would do. In the spirit of Djokovic I would get TC97 16x19s in 27.25in length. A little extra power, a little more spin. I would drop down to a 4 3/8 grip to make it easier on my wrist when creating heavy top spin. I would ask Paul if he could keep the racket between 305-310 but still at 10-11pt HL using some silicone in the handle. I want to feel slightly faster turnover when I swing. I would probably switch to 16 or 17g Black Knight. Oh, and I would get the Octane paint job to take advantage of the slightly heavier swingweight.

So, to summarize, A 16x19 27.25in 4 3/8 frame with some silicone in the handle to keep it at 310g but 10-12pt HL.
I have tried numerous racquets over the last couple years including every configuration and size of the Angell Custom line. I always find myself coming back to the TC97 18x20. I also have the 4 1/2 and 310 gms 315 balance and love the balls it produces when my footwork can keep up. I hope that sticking with this racquet will make me a better player since it forces me to have good footwork. I currently string it with Klip legend mains and Ghostwire crosses. If I go back to a full poly, I might try the Bk 17 and GW 17 hybrid setup. Feeling really good with the gut/poly setup especially when fresh. After about 10 hours I feel the ball launch on me which makes me hesitant to take full cuts at the ball. Hope I can commit to this racquet this time for a bit longer. I just bought a pair of TC 101 and TC 100 to test out but never feel like pulling them out of the bag when I have the TC97
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
does anyone get an occasional squeak from the pallet when hitting?

Yes, and it's rather annoying. I had this issue with a TC100, which I had fixed by a racquet technician who had to re-staple the butt cap.

Just experienced the same issue on a TC95, which I will have to get fixed in the same way. And a second TC95 vibrates weirdly, which I suspect is due to a problem with the pallet (TBC). Love the Angell frames but, at least in my experience, the handle seems to be a weak point.
 

ed70

Professional
Butt wobble lol. Players who grip part of hand lower than the bottom of handle & really whip the ball often get this, had it with other frames before Angell too.
 

ed70

Professional
So, I'm actually playing really well right now. I feel very dialed in to my TC97 18x20. I've kept the same string setup for almost 8 months, and I can play and execute my game the way I like almost every time I go out.

But.... in the spirit of never being satisfied I have begun to think about what I would switch to if the itch got too bad. My TC97 is 18x20 with a 4 1/2 grip, 310g bare, and 335g fully strung with overgrip. Balance is probably 5 or 6pt HL when strung. I play with Tier 1 Black Knight 18g at 49lbs. Like I said, I've become very comfortable with this setup. However, when I'm really pushed my defense suffers sometimes, and so does my spin production. If I'm playing well, and my footwork is cooperating, I have no issues cranking out heavy balls from both sides, but the racket doesn't give you anything for free.

So, all that being said, if I had $500 to spend on two more rackets, this is what I would do. In the spirit of Djokovic I would get TC97 16x19s in 27.25in length. A little extra power, a little more spin. I would drop down to a 4 3/8 grip to make it easier on my wrist when creating heavy top spin. I would ask Paul if he could keep the racket between 305-310 but still at 10-11pt HL using some silicone in the handle. I want to feel slightly faster turnover when I swing. I would probably switch to 16 or 17g Black Knight. Oh, and I would get the Octane paint job to take advantage of the slightly heavier swingweight.

So, to summarize, A 16x19 27.25in 4 3/8 frame with some silicone in the handle to keep it at 310g but 10-12pt HL.
Yes that’s what you get with the 16x19 TC97, you do notice the extra power. But You still need to brush up on ball with the 16x19 as it’s not a spin monster, also has lower launch angle compared to most 16x19’s.
 

tpro2000

Rookie
Hey all,

So playing with the V3 vs V2 TC100 for a bit now, and I feel they are pretty different.

The high modulous vs micro braided have to be it. My V2 doesn't feel stiff at 63ra, but the V3 does. All who have tried it feel the same.

I've dropped to 42# main, and it spins really well but the frame feels "stiff".

Any thoughts or anyone else deal with this? Thanks!
 
Hi Angell users, I'm looking for some advice here. I might pick up another racket here (rackeholic...), and was looking at either the K7 Lime or the TC97/95 (18x20). It's tough to pick out the differences between them based on the published specs.

But to give some reference for racket preference, I would say that my two favorite rackets have been the head prestige GT mid and the Prince EXO3 (green). I know those seem pretty different, but they both are thin beam and pack a pretty good punch. I prefer the precision and punch of the GT mid, but if I'm not feeling 100% that day it can be unforgiving. I perceive it as playing highly polarized, which is fun when you're on, but if your timing is off it shows! The Prince was fun because it had a high SW but played easier than a 335SW racket should, I also liked the extra punch with the rounder hoop and high SW. I perceive Prince rackets in general as being less polarized than most, but that could be a false perception.

Thoughts on the standout differences between the K7 and TC's? I gather the K7 to have more of a rounder head shape. Is there any difference to the flex point on both? Does one play more polarized than the other? Thanks in advance!
 
J

joohan

Guest
Thoughts on the standout differences between the K7 and TC's?

Caveat: TC97 and 95 are quite dissimilar when you have a proper look (or proper hit, should say...had both in 18x20) so it's choosing from three lines rather than K line vs TC line. Sorry for highly uninformative post and since I've been out of Angell universe a long while, I'll leave detailed comparisons to much more savvy and experienced members of these forums.
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
Butt wobble lol. Players who grip part of hand lower than the bottom of handle & really whip the ball often get this, had it with other frames before Angell too.

Makes sense. It's not my case, though: I use a standard Eastern FH grip where my whole hand covers the grip, and mostly slice my BH with a Continental grip.
Maybe it's the serve causing this, as I have a very whippy motion with lots of wrist action to impart either kick or slice.
 

ed70

Professional
Hi Angell users, I'm looking for some advice here. I might pick up another racket here (rackeholic...), and was looking at either the K7 Lime or the TC97/95 (18x20). It's tough to pick out the differences between them based on the published specs.

But to give some reference for racket preference, I would say that my two favorite rackets have been the head prestige GT mid and the Prince EXO3 (green). I know those seem pretty different, but they both are thin beam and pack a pretty good punch. I prefer the precision and punch of the GT mid, but if I'm not feeling 100% that day it can be unforgiving. I perceive it as playing highly polarized, which is fun when you're on, but if your timing is off it shows! The Prince was fun because it had a high SW but played easier than a 335SW racket should, I also liked the extra punch with the rounder hoop and high SW. I perceive Prince rackets in general as being less polarized than most, but that could be a false perception.

Thoughts on the standout differences between the K7 and TC's? I gather the K7 to have more of a rounder head shape. Is there any difference to the flex point on both? Does one play more polarized than the other? Thanks in advance!
Didn’t really notice any difference in head shape between K7 & TC97, main difference was the low SW & poor plow through of the K7, K7 is clearly a platform frame for any serious players & has sublime touch & feel just needs tinkering with to get the best weight & balance for each individual.
I tried but just couldn’t get the plow I needed without making the frame to heavy for my game. Still have one kept it standard & use it for a bit of social tennis
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Hi Angell users, I'm looking for some advice here. I might pick up another racket here (rackeholic...), and was looking at either the K7 Lime or the TC97/95 (18x20). It's tough to pick out the differences between them based on the published specs.

But to give some reference for racket preference, I would say that my two favorite rackets have been the head prestige GT mid and the Prince EXO3 (green). I know those seem pretty different, but they both are thin beam and pack a pretty good punch. I prefer the precision and punch of the GT mid, but if I'm not feeling 100% that day it can be unforgiving. I perceive it as playing highly polarized, which is fun when you're on, but if your timing is off it shows! The Prince was fun because it had a high SW but played easier than a 335SW racket should, I also liked the extra punch with the rounder hoop and high SW. I perceive Prince rackets in general as being less polarized than most, but that could be a false perception.

Thoughts on the standout differences between the K7 and TC's? I gather the K7 to have more of a rounder head shape. Is there any difference to the flex point on both? Does one play more polarized than the other? Thanks in advance!

The questions you are asking have been answered in this thread. For detailed answers read through this thread, but briefly...

As has been stated the TC95 and TC97 are not similar. The TC97 is stiff in the throat and flexes in the head of the racquet (similar to a Prestige MP). The TC95 flexes from the throat onwards to the tip of the head in a uniform manner (therefore it feels softer and different when you hit the ball to the TC97). The TC97 has a box beam throat that turns into a D-beam head, and the TC95 is a D-beam throughout. The TC97 has a lower launch angle than the TC95 within each string pattern (however, a TC97 16x19 will have a higher launch angle than a TC95 18x20). Both the TC95 and TC97 are Custom Series racquets, meaning that you can choose your unstrung weight and balance from a string of choices. These racquets also have pallets that can be changed to copy the shape of handles from various bigger brands (Wilson, Head, etc).

The K-Series racquets are a set weight and balance, have fixed moulded handles that are all the same (for example... closest to Wilson), and are made from different materials to the Custom series frames. I have not tried the K7 Lime, so I can't comment on how it plays and feels, but I have tried the K7 Red. Even though it was a nice racquet, I just couldn't gel with it and find the right balance of mods and feel. Therefore, I sold the racquet, haven't tried the K7 Lime and stuck to the TC95s and TC97s I have. I found the Custom TC racquets to be much more to my liking.

Hope that helps.
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
Sod it, I bought a TC95 18x20, for the heck of it. Same specs as my 16x19's at 63RA / 310g / 315mm.

I will try it with the same set-up I currently experiment with, 4G Soft in mains and Triax in crosses. Except that I will drop the tension from 50lbs mains / 52 lbs crosses to 46 / 48 to account for the tighter pattern and avoid it playing like a board. It will be really interesting to see how it plays comparatively.

I've enjoyed 4G Soft / Triax in the 16x19. There's a slight loss of spin vs. full bed 4G Soft, but it's more comfortable and a bit more pop. Now, durability is not great, as a Triax cross broke between 5 and 6 hours of play, where I get 7-8 in a full bed of 4G Soft, and it's an expensive set-up to break as neither strings are cheap.

I should get (much?) better durability with the 18x20, but I am not sure that this set-up will suit a tight pattern, especially since the gauge is 16L mains / 16 crosses, which might be too thick. If it's a case, I might try shaped polys like Hyper G / Confidential in a 17 gauge strung around 46, to get a bit more bite and launch. Anyway, it's fun to try stuff.
 
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The questions you are asking have been answered in this thread. For detailed answers read through this thread, but briefly...

As has been stated the TC95 and TC97 are not similar. The TC97 is stiff in the throat and flexes in the head of the racquet (similar to a Prestige MP). The TC95 flexes from the throat onwards to the tip of the head in a uniform manner (therefore it feels softer and different when you hit the ball to the TC97). The TC97 has a box beam throat that turns into a D-beam head, and the TC95 is a D-beam throughout. The TC97 has a lower launch angle than the TC95 within each string pattern (however, a TC97 16x19 will have a higher launch angle than a TC95 18x20). Both the TC95 and TC97 are Custom Series racquets, meaning that you can choose your unstrung weight and balance from a string of choices. These racquets also have pallets that can be changed to copy the shape of handles from various bigger brands (Wilson, Head, etc).

The K-Series racquets are a set weight and balance, have fixed moulded handles that are all the same (for example... closest to Wilson), and are made from different materials to the Custom series frames. I have not tried the K7 Lime, so I can't comment on how it plays and feels, but I have tried the K7 Red. Even though it was a nice racquet, I just couldn't gel with it and find the right balance of mods and feel. Therefore, I sold the racquet, haven't tried the K7 Lime and stuck to the TC95s and TC97s I have. I found the Custom TC racquets to be much more to my liking.

Hope that helps.

Thanks- you provided a lot of insight on the TC97 vs 95!
 

mb3182

Rookie
Hi Angell users, I'm looking for some advice here. I might pick up another racket here (rackeholic...), and was looking at either the K7 Lime or the TC97/95 (18x20). It's tough to pick out the differences between them based on the published specs.

But to give some reference for racket preference, I would say that my two favorite rackets have been the head prestige GT mid and the Prince EXO3 (green). I know those seem pretty different, but they both are thin beam and pack a pretty good punch. I prefer the precision and punch of the GT mid, but if I'm not feeling 100% that day it can be unforgiving. I perceive it as playing highly polarized, which is fun when you're on, but if your timing is off it shows! The Prince was fun because it had a high SW but played easier than a 335SW racket should, I also liked the extra punch with the rounder hoop and high SW. I perceive Prince rackets in general as being less polarized than most, but that could be a false perception.

Thoughts on the standout differences between the K7 and TC's? I gather the K7 to have more of a rounder head shape. Is there any difference to the flex point on both? Does one play more polarized than the other? Thanks in advance!
I've been using the K7 Lime for about 2 years now and the TC97 18m for more than 6 months. In terms of head shape, they're identical. Side by side I can't spot any difference.
Now in terms of playability they're different. The K7 Lime has a slightly more open string pattern which gives a tad more spin. I'd say the K7 has a slightly higher launch angle.
Of course, the feel of the K7 is more muted and the TC97 is more raw. Both of them are very comfortable. I personally prefer the touch of the TC97 over the K7. The feel at impact seems to me more solid thanks the foam filled frame.
The flex is also different. The K7 flex is more uniform while the TC97 flexes more at the throat. To be honest I'm ok with both.
As mentioned above the interesting part of the custom line is the fact that you can... customize. I like to play with leather grip and overgrip. On the K7, which is already 315g unstrung, it's a good 10-12g added to the static weight. The result is a racquet around 350g strung with overgrip and dampener. But it's headlight at 31cm. In comparison my TC97 are 310g unstrung with leather grip (Paul takes into account the weight of a leather grip) for a total of 335g strung and 32cm balance.
SW measured with SwingTool is 328 for the K7 and 337 for both my TC97.
Overall are two very good racquets, I can play with both and switch from a racquet to another without any problems. It doesn't take time to adjust. My impression is the K7 is a tad more forgiving while with the TC97 you need to have solid footwork to make it work.
Just to give an example, my last tournament in May, I started the match with the TC97 and lost the first set. I switched to the K7 and won the two last sets.
At the end it's really a matter of personal taste and what feel you prefer.
 

mb3182

Rookie
Sod it, I bought a TC95 18x20, for the heck of it. Same specs as my 16x19's at 63RA / 310g / 315mm.

I will try it with the same set-up I currently experiment with, 4G Soft in mains and Triax in crosses. Except that I will drop the tension from 50lbs mains / 52 lbs crosses to 46 / 48 to account for the tighter pattern and avoid it playing like a board. It will be really interesting to see how it plays comparatively.

I've enjoyed 4G Soft / Triax in the 16x19. There's a slight loss of spin vs. full bed 4G Soft, but it's more comfortable and a bit more pop. Now, durability is not great, as a Triax cross broke between 5 and 6 hours of play, where I get 7-8 in a full bed of 4G Soft, and it's an expensive set-up to break as neither strings are cheap.

I should get (much?) better durability with the 18x20, but I am not sure that this set-up will suit a tight pattern, especially since the gauge is 16L mains / 16 crosses, which might be too thick. If it's a case, I might try shaped polys like Hyper G / Confidential in a 17 gauge strung around 46, to get a bit more bite and launch. Anyway, it's fun to try stuff.

You can go even thinner than 17.
18 or 19 work much better in Angells 18x20. Start with Confidential 1.2 and from there go thinner if you don't beak before the 6-7 h mark.
 
I've been using the K7 Lime for about 2 years now and the TC97 18m for more than 6 months. In terms of head shape, they're identical. Side by side I can't spot any difference.
Now in terms of playability they're different. The K7 Lime has a slightly more open string pattern which gives a tad more spin. I'd say the K7 has a slightly higher launch angle.
Of course, the feel of the K7 is more muted and the TC97 is more raw. Both of them are very comfortable. I personally prefer the touch of the TC97 over the K7. The feel at impact seems to me more solid thanks the foam filled frame.
The flex is also different. The K7 flex is more uniform while the TC97 flexes more at the throat. To be honest I'm ok with both.
As mentioned above the interesting part of the custom line is the fact that you can... customize. I like to play with leather grip and overgrip. On the K7, which is already 315g unstrung, it's a good 10-12g added to the static weight. The result is a racquet around 350g strung with overgrip and dampener. But it's headlight at 31cm. In comparison my TC97 are 310g unstrung with leather grip (Paul takes into account the weight of a leather grip) for a total of 335g strung and 32cm balance.
SW measured with SwingTool is 328 for the K7 and 337 for both my TC97.
Overall are two very good racquets, I can play with both and switch from a racquet to another without any problems. It doesn't take time to adjust. My impression is the K7 is a tad more forgiving while with the TC97 you need to have solid footwork to make it work.
Just to give an example, my last tournament in May, I started the match with the TC97 and lost the first set. I switched to the K7 and won the two last sets.
At the end it's really a matter of personal taste and what feel you prefer.
Sounds like the K7 is easier to play with but the TC97 can be gold if you're having a good day. Thanks for the insight. At this point I'll keep my eye out for a TC95/97 or a K7 lime on the used board. All three sound different enough but enticing.

Interesting that they are all about the same head shape!
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
Re the loose butt cap issues: There was an issue with the actual delivery quality. I had a TC delivered to me for a buddy, matched to with 3 kg/cm2, 2g weight and 1mm balance, which is pretty damn good, BUT the pallet was actually unseated from the racquet on the top of the grip, on both sides. It was still stapled, and pressing it back down, the double sided tape didn't stick. It's not a big deal, because all it took was a bit of glue to fix, but it is an issue. When I changed pallet shapes on the TC100, the pallet material did stick very well with ultra thin double sided tape. I had to use double sided mesh rim tape to stick the pallets down.
 
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Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Sod it, I bought a TC95 18x20, for the heck of it. Same specs as my 16x19's at 63RA / 310g / 315mm.

I will try it with the same set-up I currently experiment with, 4G Soft in mains and Triax in crosses. Except that I will drop the tension from 50lbs mains / 52 lbs crosses to 46 / 48 to account for the tighter pattern and avoid it playing like a board. It will be really interesting to see how it plays comparatively.

I've enjoyed 4G Soft / Triax in the 16x19. There's a slight loss of spin vs. full bed 4G Soft, but it's more comfortable and a bit more pop. Now, durability is not great, as a Triax cross broke between 5 and 6 hours of play, where I get 7-8 in a full bed of 4G Soft, and it's an expensive set-up to break as neither strings are cheap.

I should get (much?) better durability with the 18x20, but I am not sure that this set-up will suit a tight pattern, especially since the gauge is 16L mains / 16 crosses, which might be too thick. If it's a case, I might try shaped polys like Hyper G / Confidential in a 17 gauge strung around 46, to get a bit more bite and launch. Anyway, it's fun to try stuff.

I tend to use thinner gauge strings with the TC95 18x20s. I use 1.15-1.20mm strings, and with the 16x19s I use 16 gauge strings. Just a thought.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
I've been using the K7 Lime for about 2 years now and the TC97 18m for more than 6 months. In terms of head shape, they're identical. Side by side I can't spot any difference.
Now in terms of playability they're different. The K7 Lime has a slightly more open string pattern which gives a tad more spin. I'd say the K7 has a slightly higher launch angle.
Of course, the feel of the K7 is more muted and the TC97 is more raw. Both of them are very comfortable. I personally prefer the touch of the TC97 over the K7. The feel at impact seems to me more solid thanks the foam filled frame.
The flex is also different. The K7 flex is more uniform while the TC97 flexes more at the throat. To be honest I'm ok with both.
As mentioned above the interesting part of the custom line is the fact that you can... customize. I like to play with leather grip and overgrip. On the K7, which is already 315g unstrung, it's a good 10-12g added to the static weight. The result is a racquet around 350g strung with overgrip and dampener. But it's headlight at 31cm. In comparison my TC97 are 310g unstrung with leather grip (Paul takes into account the weight of a leather grip) for a total of 335g strung and 32cm balance.
SW measured with SwingTool is 328 for the K7 and 337 for both my TC97.
Overall are two very good racquets, I can play with both and switch from a racquet to another without any problems. It doesn't take time to adjust. My impression is the K7 is a tad more forgiving while with the TC97 you need to have solid footwork to make it work.
Just to give an example, my last tournament in May, I started the match with the TC97 and lost the first set. I switched to the K7 and won the two last sets.
At the end it's really a matter of personal taste and what feel you prefer.

If the K7 Lime has more uniform flex, it may be a better comparison with the TC95 18x20, as it too has a uniform flex. Have you ever played with the TC95? if so, how would it compare to the K7 Lime?
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Sounds like the K7 is easier to play with but the TC97 can be gold if you're having a good day. Thanks for the insight. At this point I'll keep my eye out for a TC95/97 or a K7 lime on the used board. All three sound different enough but enticing.

Interesting that they are all about the same head shape!

All three have a different throat design though. TC95 is D-Beam (more rounded on the outside), TC97 is Box Beam, and K7 Lime may be more Box beam, but has a different shape where it meets the handle. The Custom Series (TCs) are Foam Filled and made from different materials, and the K series are not foam filled (from memory) and use different materilas.
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
I tend to use thinner gauge strings with the TC95 18x20s. I use 1.15-1.20mm strings, and with the 16x19s I use 16 gauge strings. Just a thought.

This makes sense. 1.20mm is probably where it's at with this frame, as it was for the Prince Phantom 93P 18x20 that I used to play. I'll start with my little experiment of stringing identical to the 16x19, and work my way down in thinner gauges. I also believe I could revert back to using shaped strings, which are a no go for me with the 16x19 (I'd break a Confidential 16 in < 4 hours). They'd probably help provide a bit more bite on the ball and higher launch angle.
 

ChrisG

Professional
As Paul himself has stated, the custom line is his performance line, so my advice would be to try first a TC racquet. I’ve been playing my best tennis with great results in recents tournaments, against strong oppositions, and I can’t thank enough my Tc95. V3 btw is a great improvement in terms of stability.
also comfort is incredible despite the raw feel : I’ve played 23 matches in a month and a half and only my wrist is starting to feel a bit sore. And I’m using full bed poly at a quite high tension (23-24kg). I can’t think of a better performance/ feel / comfort ratio apart from going in the prostock loophole
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
As Paul himself has stated, the custom line is his performance line, so my advice would be to try first a TC racquet. I’ve been playing my best tennis with great results in recents tournaments, against strong oppositions, and I can’t thank enough my Tc95. V3 btw is a great improvement in terms of stability.
also comfort is incredible despite the raw feel : I’ve played 23 matches in a month and a half and only my wrist is starting to feel a bit sore. And I’m using full bed poly at a quite high tension (23-24kg). I can’t think of a better performance/ feel / comfort ratio apart from going in the prostock loophole
I almost regret I changed my mind at the very last minute and didn´t order 2 TC95s when I read this post.

Though I really like and I can play very well with the TC95 I still just wanted a slightly more forgiven frame.

Yesterday I ordered 2 (closely) matched Diadem Elevate FS 98s (309.1g - 31.9 - 291.5 SW and 310.7 - 31.8 - 291.5 SW) after a two week demo. Very comfortable and fully foam filled rackets with a slightly denser 16x20 string pattern than the TC95 16x19.
Besides they are a lot cheaper and easier available to me as I just can buy them from my own country.

Once Paul 'll create a 98 sq frame within the TC line I'll come back to Angell immediately. ;-)
 

mb3182

Rookie
If the K7 Lime has more uniform flex, it may be a better comparison with the TC95 18x20, as it too has a uniform flex. Have you ever played with the TC95? if so, how would it compare to the K7 Lime?
Just bought a 2nd hand TC95 but 16x19. I just played 2h with it so far. First impressions, the TC95 is more powerful, it's noticeable on serves. It's also more plush than the TC97 but on par with the K7.
I also have the sensation that I play with the whole racquet and not only with the stringbed as it can be the case with the TC97. Let's see on the long run. I have my first tournament in 2 weeks, will be a good test. Overall the TC95 is closer to the K7 than the TC97.
 

ChrisG

Professional
I almost regret I changed my mind at the very last minute and didn´t order 2 TC95s when I read this post.

Though I really like and I can play very well with the TC95 I still just wanted a slightly more forgiven frame.

Yesterday I ordered 2 (closely) matched Diadem Elevate FS 98s (309.1g - 31.9 - 291.5 SW and 310.7 - 31.8 - 291.5 SW) after a two week demo. Very comfortable and fully foam filled rackets with a slightly denser 16x20 string pattern than the TC95 16x19.
Besides they are a lot cheaper and easier available to me as I just can buy them from my own country.

Once Paul 'll create a 98 sq frame within the TC line I'll come back to Angell immediately. ;-)
I fully agree with your tc98 and denser pattern wishes. It could be really interesting.
However I have notice that In fully committed strokes the ball trajectory and control get much closer to what I would get from my beloved I.prestige or Ultra Tour, the difficulty is to keep that commitment and concentration during the whole match. In the other hand you get a real players racquet ready for the modern game. Personally I hit with a rather flat delpotro style, so it counterbalance nicely the open 16x19.
I can understand a true spin player can get too much action from this stringbed
 
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mb3182

Rookie
Sounds like the K7 is easier to play with but the TC97 can be gold if you're having a good day. Thanks for the insight. At this point I'll keep my eye out for a TC95/97 or a K7 lime on the used board. All three sound different enough but enticing.

Interesting that they are all about the same head shape!
I'll be selling a couple of TC97. If interested let me know
 
I know nothing about tennis, have never played, but now my daughter wants to learn and I have been trying like a mad fiend to learn as much as I can as fast as I can.

I miiiiiiiiiiiiiight have accidentally shown her a picture of an Angell TC that I just discovered. She loved the look of the v3 copper customs.

She's 14 and a total beginner, but is taking lessons with the goal of getting good enough to do well on the high school no-cut team by February. She has been taking lessons for less than a month, and has not purchased her first racquet.

So far, she has narrowed it down to the following (in order of her favorites thus far) --

1.) the Wilson Burn LS v4,
2.) the Wilson Blade 100L v7,
3.) the Yonex Ezone 100L, and
4.) the Babolat Pure Drive Team 2021.

I know these are all tweeners of similar weight, but each of them seems to be tweaked a bit for different playstyles in head shape, beamwidth, balance, head shape, and in the case of the Burn, string pattern as well. The problem is, she has no idea what play style she will favor, what strengths she might want to accentuate, or for what weaknesses she'd need to train and improve. She knows she doesn't want to start off with an oversized monster that sometimes beginners are given to boost their confidence; she wants to develop the right skills and techniques from the start. She wants to be able to learn as much as she can, without leaning on a crutch as much as possible-- but still hold her own in competitive play as she learns.

She has also tried out the Head Radical S 2021, the Babolat Pure Strike Team 3rd Gen, the Wilson Clash 100L, the Head Gravity Lite, the Yonex Vcore 100L, the Head Graphene 360+ Speed S, the Babolat Evo Drive Lite Prestrung, the Prince Textreme Warrior 100T, the Babolat Pure Aero Team 2019, and the Yonex Ezone 105... but she did not like any of them.


Would any of you who own an Angell recommend one to a 14 year old absolute beginner?


Right now, she prefers the 280g, 32.8cm balance 5Pt head-light, 70RA, (18v16) Burn100LSv4 with 23-25-23 beam.

Her second favorite is the 285g, 33cm balance 4Pt head-light, 69RA, (16x19) Blade 100Lv7 with 22mm beam.

Her third favorite is the 285g, 32.5cm balance 4Pt head-light, 68RA.,(16x19) Ezone 100L with 23.5/26/22 beam.

...plus all the fancy construction variables (marketing hype) of each brand and line, etc.




The two Angells that (to me) appear closest in spec to any that she likes so far are the following:

The 290g, 33.5cm balance 2Pt head-light, 70RA, (16x19), v3TC100, with 21mm tapered beam

or

The 290g, 33.5cm balance 2Pt head-light, 66RA, (16x19), v3TC101, with 21mm tapered beam



If the specs were closer to what she'd demoed I'd be likely to order and Angell in a heartbeat... but I know nothing about tennis or racquets, and I have no idea how an extra five grams in the handle, a thinner bean all the way around, and being less head light would hinder or boost her ability to learn.

And further at issue, I wouldn't know the first thing about whether to go for the higher launch angle, free power, and possible less predictability of the 70RA (“D” box) v3TC 100 or the lower launch angle, more control of the 66RA (TC97-like throat box) v3TC101.

Is a midplus Angell totally out of the question, or would it be a good contender for a 14-year-old female total beginner who wants to play on a public high school no-cut tennis team?
 

Blahovic

Professional
I know nothing about tennis, have never played, but now my daughter wants to learn and I have been trying like a mad fiend to learn as much as I can as fast as I can.

I miiiiiiiiiiiiiight have accidentally shown her a picture of an Angell TC that I just discovered. She loved the look of the v3 copper customs.

She's 14 and a total beginner, but is taking lessons with the goal of getting good enough to do well on the high school no-cut team by February. She has been taking lessons for less than a month, and has not purchased her first racquet.

So far, she has narrowed it down to the following (in order of her favorites thus far) --

1.) the Wilson Burn LS v4,
2.) the Wilson Blade 100L v7,
3.) the Yonex Ezone 100L, and
4.) the Babolat Pure Drive Team 2021.

I know these are all tweeners of similar weight, but each of them seems to be tweaked a bit for different playstyles in head shape, beamwidth, balance, head shape, and in the case of the Burn, string pattern as well. The problem is, she has no idea what play style she will favor, what strengths she might want to accentuate, or for what weaknesses she'd need to train and improve. She knows she doesn't want to start off with an oversized monster that sometimes beginners are given to boost their confidence; she wants to develop the right skills and techniques from the start. She wants to be able to learn as much as she can, without leaning on a crutch as much as possible-- but still hold her own in competitive play as she learns.

She has also tried out the Head Radical S 2021, the Babolat Pure Strike Team 3rd Gen, the Wilson Clash 100L, the Head Gravity Lite, the Yonex Vcore 100L, the Head Graphene 360+ Speed S, the Babolat Evo Drive Lite Prestrung, the Prince Textreme Warrior 100T, the Babolat Pure Aero Team 2019, and the Yonex Ezone 105... but she did not like any of them.


Would any of you who own an Angell recommend one to a 14 year old absolute beginner?


Right now, she prefers the 280g, 32.8cm balance 5Pt head-light, 70RA, (18v16) Burn100LSv4 with 23-25-23 beam.

Her second favorite is the 285g, 33cm balance 4Pt head-light, 69RA, (16x19) Blade 100Lv7 with 22mm beam.

Her third favorite is the 285g, 32.5cm balance 4Pt head-light, 68RA.,(16x19) Ezone 100L with 23.5/26/22 beam.

...plus all the fancy construction variables (marketing hype) of each brand and line, etc.




The two Angells that (to me) appear closest in spec to any that she likes so far are the following:

The 290g, 33.5cm balance 2Pt head-light, 70RA, (16x19), v3TC100, with 21mm tapered beam

or

The 290g, 33.5cm balance 2Pt head-light, 66RA, (16x19), v3TC101, with 21mm tapered beam



If the specs were closer to what she'd demoed I'd be likely to order and Angell in a heartbeat... but I know nothing about tennis or racquets, and I have no idea how an extra five grams in the handle, a thinner bean all the way around, and being less head light would hinder or boost her ability to learn.

And further at issue, I wouldn't know the first thing about whether to go for the higher launch angle, free power, and possible less predictability of the 70RA (“D” box) v3TC 100 or the lower launch angle, more control of the 66RA (TC97-like throat box) v3TC101.

Is a midplus Angell totally out of the question, or would it be a good contender for a 14-year-old female total beginner who wants to play on a public high school no-cut tennis team?
Realistically speaking, there’s little point being this detail-oriented about the racquet of a complete beginner.

If she would like a cool paint job, there’s little harm in getting her an Octane Angell which is light and has a larger sweetspot. She will likely want a different racquet in the near future if she plays regularly anyway, as her game will completely change.
 
If she would like a cool paint job, there’s little harm in getting her an Octane Angell which is light and has a larger sweetspot. She will likely want a different racquet in the near future if she plays regularly anyway, as her game will completely change.

Thanks, I was just a bit concerned that the lightest might be too heavy or too unstable for her.
 
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Return_Ace

Hall of Fame
I know nothing about tennis, have never played, but now my daughter wants to learn and I have been trying like a mad fiend to learn as much as I can as fast as I can.

I miiiiiiiiiiiiiight have accidentally shown her a picture of an Angell TC that I just discovered. She loved the look of the v3 copper customs.

She's 14 and a total beginner, but is taking lessons with the goal of getting good enough to do well on the high school no-cut team by February. She has been taking lessons for less than a month, and has not purchased her first racquet.

So far, she has narrowed it down to the following (in order of her favorites thus far) --

1.) the Wilson Burn LS v4,
2.) the Wilson Blade 100L v7,
3.) the Yonex Ezone 100L, and
4.) the Babolat Pure Drive Team 2021.

I know these are all tweeners of similar weight, but each of them seems to be tweaked a bit for different playstyles in head shape, beamwidth, balance, head shape, and in the case of the Burn, string pattern as well. The problem is, she has no idea what play style she will favor, what strengths she might want to accentuate, or for what weaknesses she'd need to train and improve. She knows she doesn't want to start off with an oversized monster that sometimes beginners are given to boost their confidence; she wants to develop the right skills and techniques from the start. She wants to be able to learn as much as she can, without leaning on a crutch as much as possible-- but still hold her own in competitive play as she learns.

She has also tried out the Head Radical S 2021, the Babolat Pure Strike Team 3rd Gen, the Wilson Clash 100L, the Head Gravity Lite, the Yonex Vcore 100L, the Head Graphene 360+ Speed S, the Babolat Evo Drive Lite Prestrung, the Prince Textreme Warrior 100T, the Babolat Pure Aero Team 2019, and the Yonex Ezone 105... but she did not like any of them.


Would any of you who own an Angell recommend one to a 14 year old absolute beginner?


Right now, she prefers the 280g, 32.8cm balance 5Pt head-light, 70RA, (18v16) Burn100LSv4 with 23-25-23 beam.

Her second favorite is the 285g, 33cm balance 4Pt head-light, 69RA, (16x19) Blade 100Lv7 with 22mm beam.

Her third favorite is the 285g, 32.5cm balance 4Pt head-light, 68RA.,(16x19) Ezone 100L with 23.5/26/22 beam.

...plus all the fancy construction variables (marketing hype) of each brand and line, etc.




The two Angells that (to me) appear closest in spec to any that she likes so far are the following:

The 290g, 33.5cm balance 2Pt head-light, 70RA, (16x19), v3TC100, with 21mm tapered beam

or

The 290g, 33.5cm balance 2Pt head-light, 66RA, (16x19), v3TC101, with 21mm tapered beam



If the specs were closer to what she'd demoed I'd be likely to order and Angell in a heartbeat... but I know nothing about tennis or racquets, and I have no idea how an extra five grams in the handle, a thinner bean all the way around, and being less head light would hinder or boost her ability to learn.

And further at issue, I wouldn't know the first thing about whether to go for the higher launch angle, free power, and possible less predictability of the 70RA (“D” box) v3TC 100 or the lower launch angle, more control of the 66RA (TC97-like throat box) v3TC101.

Is a midplus Angell totally out of the question, or would it be a good contender for a 14-year-old female total beginner who wants to play on a public high school no-cut tennis team?

I echo the above sentiment that you should just give her something that allows her to play more.

If that happens to be a shiny Angell racket, then so be it (i guess as long as she understands its worth/scarcity to not trash it if she's one of "those" players).

I think from that you've said (and props to you for doing so much research) that a TC100 70RA would be in line with what she is currently preferring.

HOWEVER I would be ever so slightly wary about the default swingweight of the Angell's which are supposed to be around 325ish, whereas the rackets you've listed are more 315ish.

If you do order one, it would probably be best to phone Paul up to discuss if you could get something around 285-290g, closer to 4pts HL that might have a lower 285ish (unstrung) swingweight.

Not that she wouldn't necessarily be able to handle the 325SW, just that it would probably feel heavier and more taxing compared to the rackets she likes, and as such not gel as much with it.

Or if she's up for the challenge, it's always something she can get used to and be all the better for it (eventually).

One of the benefits of the TC100 is that it can take her as far as she wants to go, where when she eventually starts hitting (to and against) better players, you can (with a minor amount of hassle) remove the grip/pallets and weight up the handle with blutac/tungsten putty in the cut outs designed for their own weighting system; although of course this could still be done with other rackets in the form of silicone/lead tape.
 

Return_Ace

Hall of Fame
Or actually i guess the K7 Cyan LT seems right in her wheelhouse, but obviously didn't have the nice v3 Copper paint... (I also have zero experience with any of the K7 range)

Do you know what she didn't like about the other rackets you listed?

Just a slight concern that she has a preference for 68-70RA rackets, and the Angells (70RA /Cyan) come in around 65RA strung which, if it was one of the reasons she didn't like the others, might rule them out (and why i probably wouldn't recommend the TC101 which should be around 62RA strung and maybe too soft).

Maybe the TC105 then which is 74RA, which means probably around 68RA strung, albeit with a 105sqin headsize (and imo less "carry forward" ability later into her development - but that's just my personal opinion).
 
As Paul himself has stated, the custom line is his performance line, so my advice would be to try first a TC racquet. I’ve been playing my best tennis with great results in recents tournaments, against strong oppositions, and I can’t thank enough my Tc95. V3 btw is a great improvement in terms of stability.
also comfort is incredible despite the raw feel : I’ve played 23 matches in a month and a half and only my wrist is starting to feel a bit sore. And I’m using full bed poly at a quite high tension (23-24kg). I can’t think of a better performance/ feel / comfort ratio apart from going in the prostock loophole
This is what I needed to hear
 

emhtennis

Hall of Fame
I know nothing about tennis, have never played, but now my daughter wants to learn and I have been trying like a mad fiend to learn as much as I can as fast as I can.

I miiiiiiiiiiiiiight have accidentally shown her a picture of an Angell TC that I just discovered. She loved the look of the v3 copper customs.

She's 14 and a total beginner, but is taking lessons with the goal of getting good enough to do well on the high school no-cut team by February. She has been taking lessons for less than a month, and has not purchased her first racquet.

So far, she has narrowed it down to the following (in order of her favorites thus far) --

1.) the Wilson Burn LS v4,
2.) the Wilson Blade 100L v7,
3.) the Yonex Ezone 100L, and
4.) the Babolat Pure Drive Team 2021.

I know these are all tweeners of similar weight, but each of them seems to be tweaked a bit for different playstyles in head shape, beamwidth, balance, head shape, and in the case of the Burn, string pattern as well. The problem is, she has no idea what play style she will favor, what strengths she might want to accentuate, or for what weaknesses she'd need to train and improve. She knows she doesn't want to start off with an oversized monster that sometimes beginners are given to boost their confidence; she wants to develop the right skills and techniques from the start. She wants to be able to learn as much as she can, without leaning on a crutch as much as possible-- but still hold her own in competitive play as she learns.

She has also tried out the Head Radical S 2021, the Babolat Pure Strike Team 3rd Gen, the Wilson Clash 100L, the Head Gravity Lite, the Yonex Vcore 100L, the Head Graphene 360+ Speed S, the Babolat Evo Drive Lite Prestrung, the Prince Textreme Warrior 100T, the Babolat Pure Aero Team 2019, and the Yonex Ezone 105... but she did not like any of them.


Would any of you who own an Angell recommend one to a 14 year old absolute beginner?


Right now, she prefers the 280g, 32.8cm balance 5Pt head-light, 70RA, (18v16) Burn100LSv4 with 23-25-23 beam.

Her second favorite is the 285g, 33cm balance 4Pt head-light, 69RA, (16x19) Blade 100Lv7 with 22mm beam.

Her third favorite is the 285g, 32.5cm balance 4Pt head-light, 68RA.,(16x19) Ezone 100L with 23.5/26/22 beam.

...plus all the fancy construction variables (marketing hype) of each brand and line, etc.




The two Angells that (to me) appear closest in spec to any that she likes so far are the following:

The 290g, 33.5cm balance 2Pt head-light, 70RA, (16x19), v3TC100, with 21mm tapered beam

or

The 290g, 33.5cm balance 2Pt head-light, 66RA, (16x19), v3TC101, with 21mm tapered beam



If the specs were closer to what she'd demoed I'd be likely to order and Angell in a heartbeat... but I know nothing about tennis or racquets, and I have no idea how an extra five grams in the handle, a thinner bean all the way around, and being less head light would hinder or boost her ability to learn.

And further at issue, I wouldn't know the first thing about whether to go for the higher launch angle, free power, and possible less predictability of the 70RA (“D” box) v3TC 100 or the lower launch angle, more control of the 66RA (TC97-like throat box) v3TC101.

Is a midplus Angell totally out of the question, or would it be a good contender for a 14-year-old female total beginner who wants to play on a public high school no-cut tennis team?
I agree with those who have already responded. The racket she could play through all levels of her development would be a TC 100 at 300g. I would argue for 6 points HL because once strung it will dip back to only 2 or 3.

From a money standpoint, I would recommend getting at least 2 rackets and 6 or 8 sets of grommets just because the shipping costs so much. Since you should be a first time buyer, make sure you register on the Angell website and you should get a coupon emailed to you for 10% off your first purchase. This will negate the cost of shipping.
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
OK, so just a few lines to describe my experience with the TC95 18x20, with which I have hit for an hour tonight.

The specs are identical to the 16x19's I own: 63 RA / 310g / 315mm. And I also strung it in the same way: 4G Soft 16L mains / Triax 16 crosses, with the only difference being tension at 50/52 on the 16x19, which I have dropped to 46/48 on the 18x20.

I started by playing the first 30mn with the 18x20. Initial impressions: it basically feels and swings the same as the 16x19 (no surprise here). The ball is more penetrating through the court, and the directional control is very good, as expected on a tighter string pattern. There is a slight loss of power, but surprisingly not a huge loss of spin, despite the relatively thick gauge used for that pattern. But it does require more accuracy in the footwork as it is a bit less tolerant - again, this is expected. Serving was good, I didn't feel any particular loss of speed or spin. Backhand slice (my go to shot on that wing) was great. Probably the most improved shot compared to the 16x19. I didn't practice returns, as I was with a coach, but have a hit with a friend lined up on Sunday (on grass, of all surfaces), and it will be interesting to see how that goes. Compared to a Prince Phantom 93P 18x20, a racquet I really liked, accuracy, control and comfort are on par, but the Angell is an easier racquet to play, less tiring, with easier access to spin and a bit more pop.

What was interesting is that after 30mn I took the 16x19 out of the bag and hit with it for 5mn. I could literally hardly keep a ball in court. The difference in launch angle is staggering. The ball was literally shooting off the string bed and sailing long. After 5mn I gave up and got back to the 18x20. This tells me that I have to start a session with either one pattern or the other, but switching mid session is not realistic for me.

I wasn't particularly good tonight. It was so stuplidly hot in HK that my legs were gone within 20mn. Just one of these days when moving's a bit harder than usual. So probably not the best day for that version of the frame, but really interesting nonetheless. I am being told by a very good coach, who I have been hitting with for the past few weeks (not tonight) that I have to play more offensive, come in, and refuse to be moved side to side on the baseline, as my (ageing) rugby player frame will tire too quickly. As I try to move my game in that direction, the 18x20 might be a good option. If not, I feel the 16x19 could do this very well too.
 
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