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Brand77

Rookie
Tried to play with my TC100 70ra 16x19 yesterday after using only the TC95 63ra 18x20 for a while.
Man what a difference. I strung it with poly to tone done the power a bit, but balls were still flying. Great for serving bombs and overheads but didn't feel in control anymore.
1HBH on the TC95 is sooo much better since I can really let her rip without hitting the fence. Only two months until my birthday so I can buy myself a present (another TC95) :cool:
 

ockelito

New User
ordered specs were v4 97 18x20, 320g, 31cm(10points hl), 28'', hybrid grip, L3 size...

measured specs were 320g(spot on!), 32.3cm (measured from the butcap, dont know if i am doing it wrong bcs its 1 inch longer?)
Good question. My 27.25 inch and 315 mm balance measured at 319/320 mm.
 

Dado111

New User
so, if i was stringing 25 24 on my prince 100 16x19 and the tension was good to me (570Mhz according to phone app), what should i string now on 97 head 18x20 to get the similar feel? 23 22 or even 22 21?
 

ockelito

New User
I have been hitting 2 h + a competitive match with my K7 Red. I am really enjoying it. It does what I was hoping for. I added 3 g at 12' and 3 g in the butt cap. Still very manoeuvrable. I think swingweight isn't the only key to menoevrability but also tistweight as I get the time to get in position with my racquet head. This is why I added at 12', to keep the twistweight at stock level. Comparing it to my Gravity Pro I am much quicker around my feet. I am hitting with much more accuracy in the corners and when I am hitting whipping the balls while running.

Lots of spin! Very comfortable. Good control. Enough power. I feel like my cross court shots are much easier, but I am struggling a bit to get my shots down the line, probably because of lack of stability. The precision of my flat serve was also a bit worse, probably for the same reason. Other than that I am not lacking stability. The low twistweight makes it easier the hit the ball clean.

I hit like 20 min with C97 16x19 27.25, 315 mm, 310 g after my match today. Wow, like carving butter with a hot knife. Super comfortable and really nice feeling. Great control. I might be lacking that pop and spinn that I get with K7 Red, so I don't get the same net clearance and margin for error. Also felt less manoeuvrable. No serving unfortunately, where I think this 27.25 racquet will excel.

Afraid it's gonna be a tough call at the end. But I am guessing that K7 Red is more about if I want performance and TC7 is more about comfort/feel.

I strung bot with Solinco Confidential 1.20 ad 23.5 kg.
 

Happi

Professional
I have been hitting 2 h + a competitive match with my K7 Red. I am really enjoying it. It does what I was hoping for. I added 3 g at 12' and 3 g in the butt cap. Still very manoeuvrable. I think swingweight isn't the only key to menoevrability but also tistweight as I get the time to get in position with my racquet head. This is why I added at 12', to keep the twistweight at stock level. Comparing it to my Gravity Pro I am much quicker around my feet. I am hitting with much more accuracy in the corners and when I am hitting whipping the balls while running.

Lots of spin! Very comfortable. Good control. Enough power. I feel like my cross court shots are much easier, but I am struggling a bit to get my shots down the line, probably because of lack of stability. The precision of my flat serve was also a bit worse, probably for the same reason. Other than that I am not lacking stability. The low twistweight makes it easier the hit the ball clean.

I hit like 20 min with C97 16x19 27.25, 315 mm, 310 g after my match today. Wow, like carving butter with a hot knife. Super comfortable and really nice feeling. Great control. I might be lacking that pop and spinn that I get with K7 Red, so I don't get the same net clearance and margin for error. Also felt less manoeuvrable. No serving unfortunately, where I think this 27.25 racquet will excel.

Afraid it's gonna be a tough call at the end. But I am guessing that K7 Red is more about if I want performance and TC7 is more about comfort/feel.

I strung bot with Solinco Confidential 1.20 ad 23.5 kg.
TC95 would be your next try ;)
 

ockelito

New User
TC95 would be your next try ;)
Not sure I have what’s needed. My consistency is really poor. That’s why I was lured into the massive gravity Sweetspot. What’s the difference of the racket head? Shorter and more narrow? L7 red and tc97 is barely noticeable. K7 red 1-2 mm longer.

Do angell usually have Black Friday offers?
 

mb3182

Rookie
Not sure I have what’s needed. My consistency is really poor. That’s why I was lured into the massive gravity Sweetspot. What’s the difference of the racket head? Shorter and more narrow? L7 red and tc97 is barely noticeable. K7 red 1-2 mm longer.

Do angell usually have Black Friday offers?
Tc95 is an amazing stick. Don’t let the 95 sq.in impress you. It plays bigger than its head size. Pwr level is higher than K7 frame (Tc95 16m) while keeping a high level of control. For me it's perfectly suited for modern game.
 
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Brand77

Rookie
Agreed. I don't have great technique and thought the tc95 would be too demanding. But it just feels great and boosted my confidence to really start taking full swings. Sure, I have a bit more mishits compared to the TC100 but I am sure that will get better over time.
 

ChrisG

Professional
In order to not get bullied by TC95 very open 16x19, you really need to swing hard. Then you can flatten any shots, slice, have good precision overall. But if you are lazy or hesitant, balls might start flying.
I experienced it again this week: had a very tense match and I was reducing my swing and playing more conservative, I started to make unforced errors and lost the match.
The next day, I played again and decided to stay agressive no matter what and I really felt the frame was playing good because of that.
Tc 95 needs to rip the ball.
 

ChrisG

Professional
A good hit leads to confidence which leads to more good hits. Until you get overconfident and then you're screwed:cool:
For sure !! But more than other frames, I’ve found Tc95 to particularly shine when hitting agressive and confident, or to say it different, it sucks when hitting with the brake on
 

Brand77

Rookie
Yeah the balls tended to land very short when holding back. Really committing to a shot resulted in balls dipping down sharply right before the baseline.
Must be due to the whippiness of the frame because I can't duplicate it with my tc100.
 

Tennisist

Semi-Pro
but does the calculation about sw from this link still works?

it has the length input option...
Swingweight is calculated from balance in mm. This balance does not need adjusting for regular or extended racquets. The swingweight calculation remains the same.
Same would be if you measure by a machine: it does not care if you call it 8 pt or 6 pt.
 

Dado111

New User
yes.,.. i agree, bcs today, after putting the strings, overgrip and vibrastop, the calculation is the same whether i input the head and handle weight, or directly the weight of the whole racquet and balance point... and the end swingweight for anyone that is interested is the following:


it was 320g, 32.4 cm balance (ordered 31cm or 10 headlight, so you see that it calculates in headlight when ordering, for anyone that is ordering lb racquets) b4 stringing with 310 swingweight... so it got a whooping 50 sw... i didnt expect that lol...

but i played with it today and its pure delight... with disclaimer the same as above posts, when you hit it right...

i got exactly what i wanted, the racquet between my prince beast 100 16x19 27.5" and pro staff rf97a... when you hit the ball as you should, with relax hand and good positioning, the ball rips through the air like a rocket...the most satisfying feeling... serves went long at 1st, bcs i was swinging it a bit to slow bcs of the extended length but later was good... 2h bh was more dangerous and i could hit it down the line for the 1st time w/o fear it will go long...
the only aspect what i need to still get use to is the returns of the serves... too many of the balls went into net, bcs the ball trajectory is shorter and lower then with prince 100 16x19...

overall, very satisfied with the purchase, hope it will be my main stick for years to come...
 

esm

Hall of Fame
yes.,.. i agree, bcs today, after putting the strings, overgrip and vibrastop, the calculation is the same whether i input the head and handle weight, or directly the weight of the whole racquet and balance point... and the end swingweight for anyone that is interested is the following:


it was 320g, 32.4 cm balance (ordered 31cm or 10 headlight, so you see that it calculates in headlight when ordering, for anyone that is ordering lb racquets) b4 stringing with 310 swingweight... so it got a whooping 50 sw... i didnt expect that lol...

but i played with it today and its pure delight... with disclaimer the same as above posts, when you hit it right...

i got exactly what i wanted, the racquet between my prince beast 100 16x19 27.5" and pro staff rf97a... when you hit the ball as you should, with relax hand and good positioning, the ball rips through the air like a rocket...the most satisfying feeling... serves went long at 1st, bcs i was swinging it a bit to slow bcs of the extended length but later was good... 2h bh was more dangerous and i could hit it down the line for the 1st time w/o fear it will go long...
the only aspect what i need to still get use to is the returns of the serves... too many of the balls went into net, bcs the ball trajectory is shorter and lower then with prince 100 16x19...

overall, very satisfied with the purchase, hope it will be my main stick for years to come...
can i ask which Angell is it with unstring SW of 310 @ 28 inch in length?
 

ed70

Professional
I have been hitting 2 h + a competitive match with my K7 Red. I am really enjoying it. It does what I was hoping for. I added 3 g at 12' and 3 g in the butt cap. Still very manoeuvrable. I think swingweight isn't the only key to menoevrability but also tistweight as I get the time to get in position with my racquet head. This is why I added at 12', to keep the twistweight at stock level. Comparing it to my Gravity Pro I am much quicker around my feet. I am hitting with much more accuracy in the corners and when I am hitting whipping the balls while running.

Lots of spin! Very comfortable. Good control. Enough power. I feel like my cross court shots are much easier, but I am struggling a bit to get my shots down the line, probably because of lack of stability. The precision of my flat serve was also a bit worse, probably for the same reason. Other than that I am not lacking stability. The low twistweight makes it easier the hit the ball clean.

I hit like 20 min with C97 16x19 27.25, 315 mm, 310 g after my match today. Wow, like carving butter with a hot knife. Super comfortable and really nice feeling. Great control. I might be lacking that pop and spinn that I get with K7 Red, so I don't get the same net clearance and margin for error. Also felt less manoeuvrable. No serving unfortunately, where I think this 27.25 racquet will excel.

Afraid it's gonna be a tough call at the end. But I am guessing that K7 Red is more about if I want performance and TC7 is more about comfort/feel.

I strung bot with Solinco Confidential 1.20 ad 23.5 kg.
Strange that, having used TC97’s for years I found TC97 had considerable more power & stability to the K7 even after adding weight to K7.
 

Tennisist

Semi-Pro
yes.,.. i agree, bcs today, after putting the strings, overgrip and vibrastop, the calculation is the same whether i input the head and handle weight, or directly the weight of the whole racquet and balance point... and the end swingweight for anyone that is interested is the following:


it was 320g, 32.4 cm balance (ordered 31cm or 10 headlight, so you see that it calculates in headlight when ordering, for anyone that is ordering lb racquets) b4 stringing with 310 swingweight... so it got a whooping 50 sw... i didnt expect that lol...

but i played with it today and its pure delight... with disclaimer the same as above posts, when you hit it right...

i got exactly what i wanted, the racquet between my prince beast 100 16x19 27.5" and pro staff rf97a... when you hit the ball as you should, with relax hand and good positioning, the ball rips through the air like a rocket...the most satisfying feeling... serves went long at 1st, bcs i was swinging it a bit to slow bcs of the extended length but later was good... 2h bh was more dangerous and i could hit it down the line for the 1st time w/o fear it will go long...
the only aspect what i need to still get use to is the returns of the serves... too many of the balls went into net, bcs the ball trajectory is shorter and lower then with prince 100 16x19...

overall, very satisfied with the purchase, hope it will be my main stick for years to come...
Something is wrong with that Calculator. You are saying your actual balance is 32.4 -- the calculator says 33.52.
Your weight should be 342 g -- the calculator says 348 g.
You actual racquet is: 342 / 324
The calculator sees: 348 / 335 <-- For this type of configuration SW 360 is correct ( heavy racquet / 4 pt HL ).
Since you are lighter and more head-light, your SW should be lighter.
 
Strange that, having used TC97’s for years I found TC97 had considerable more power & stability to the K7 even after adding weight to K7.
I hear most people saying the same…tc97 has a bit more power than the k7. For me, I don’t notice the difference in power but mine are both 18x20.
 

Dado111

New User
ah okay, but that doesn't really explain the 310SW unstrung for your 28inch....
i dont know how precise the sw calculator is, thats why i asked if its different for longer racquets... this were the stats b4 stringing:
Swingweight: 310.1 kgcm2
Gewicht: 320 Gram
Balanspunt: 32.2 Cm
Lengte: 71.12 Cm


Something is wrong with that Calculator. You are saying your actual balance is 32.4 -- the calculator says 33.52.
Your weight should be 342 g -- the calculator says 348 g.
You actual racquet is: 342 / 324
The calculator sees: 348 / 335 <-- For this type of configuration SW 360 is correct ( heavy racquet / 4 pt HL ).
Since you are lighter and more head-light, your SW should be lighter.
32.2 cm was my actual balance b4 stringing... read more carefully pls:p
why should my weight be 342 when its 348 lol?

idk where did you get your other numbers?
am i missing something or?
 

Tennisist

Semi-Pro
i dont know how precise the sw calculator is, thats why i asked if its different for longer racquets... this were the stats b4 stringing:
Swingweight: 310.1 kgcm2
Gewicht: 320 Gram
Balanspunt: 32.2 Cm
Lengte: 71.12 Cm




32.2 cm was my actual balance b4 stringing... read more carefully pls:p
why should my weight be 342 when its 348 lol?

idk where did you get your other numbers?
am i missing something or?
320 g + 16 g strings + 6 g overgrip = 342 g
Why 348 ? Either the calculator is incorrect, or it is actually 348g?
If it is actually 348g and balance is 33.5 and XL, then yes, I would expect SW to be ~350-360.

My dunlop 200 XL has a swingweight of 340, and it is much lighter and head-light than your racquet.
 

ockelito

New User
i would measure swing weight more confident using this. Where the time is the trickiest part. I use the slow motion camera on my phone to get the time for 10 cycles displayed on a timer.


Strange that, having used TC97’s for years I found TC97 had considerable more power & stability to the K7 even after adding weight to K7.

Stability yes, which is probably related to it being less maneuverable. Did I say something else? What I mean by pop is more free power, partly by whipping. If you take full cuts the tc97 probably has more power, which I guess comes from your chosen weight spec as well as the tc97 being more polarized. Even though I am not sure that is by much.
 

Dado111

New User
320 g + 16 g strings + 6 g overgrip = 342 g
so you just assume this number out of your a.. ? :p

i dont know how much were the strings exactly, i wont bother removing the overgrip to find out, but weight of the strings, overgrip and vibrastop i am using is total of 28g...

so the racquet weights 348g total... hence the big calculated sw... and it make sense, if every 1/4 '' adds 10sw, so the same weight 27'' racquet would have 320sw...
 

esm

Hall of Fame
so you just assume this number out of your a.. ? :p

i dont know how much were the strings exactly, i wont bother removing the overgrip to find out, but weight of the strings, overgrip and vibrastop i am using is total of 28g...

so the racquet weights 348g total... hence the big calculated sw... and it make sense, if every 1/4 '' adds 10sw, so the same weight 27'' racquet would have 320sw...
my V3 TC97 18x20 is probably a big boy - just measure the SW quickly, with fullbed of Halo 3 and an OG = 329SW..
 

GN-001

Semi-Pro
My friend gave me his old angel TC95 18x20 (black with red grommet) with 1HL balance since he doesnt use it anymore. I usually play with a vcore pro 97 which is a 16x19. I find it quite hard to make it more HL without making it feel too beefy and also the 18x20 pattern has a very low launch angle and doesnt have much 'pop' so my shots are getting killed.

Any tips? Usually I string at 47lb, should I go lower? Also can I drop the top string to make it 18x19?
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
My friend gave me his old angel TC95 18x20 (black with red grommet) with 1HL balance since he doesnt use it anymore. I usually play with a vcore pro 97 which is a 16x19. I find it quite hard to make it more HL without making it feel too beefy and also the 18x20 pattern has a very low launch angle and doesnt have much 'pop' so my shots are getting killed.

Any tips? Usually I string at 47lb, should I go lower? Also can I drop the top string to make it 18x19?
You would open up the pallet and relocate the weights.

Maybe try a lower tension to address some power
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
My friend gave me his old angel TC95 18x20 (black with red grommet) with 1HL balance since he doesnt use it anymore. I usually play with a vcore pro 97 which is a 16x19. I find it quite hard to make it more HL without making it feel too beefy and also the 18x20 pattern has a very low launch angle and doesnt have much 'pop' so my shots are getting killed.

Any tips? Usually I string at 47lb, should I go lower? Also can I drop the top string to make it 18x19?
I have my TC95 18x20 (63RA) strung at 46M/43C with a thinner gauge string (the last one was MSV Co-Focus 1.18mm). Plenty of power. Mine is modified with weight in the hoop and handle (started off as 320g/315mm unstrung - now 363g and more HL as I added more weight to the handle than head).
 

GN-001

Semi-Pro
Where in the handle do you guys add weight? I've tried a leather grip with thin over grip (made the grip too big), tried a kimony 0.8mm leather grip too but that didnt make it more HL.

I've tried adding lead to the buttcap but although it feels abit more headlight, the increase in static weight didnt make it feel more manoeuvrable. I usually like it around 320-330g, HL and whippy.
 

ockelito

New User
Yes, but only if you order in POINTS. In mm, the numbers do not change, and that's the who point of using mm ( rather than points ) for measuring balance.

The order for my 27.25 inch was made like this. Came at 320 mm, which is close to what one could expect with extending a “27 inch 310 g, 315 mm” by 6 mm.

CUSTOM V4 TC97 - 16 x 19
Stiffness: 66 RA
Length: 27.25
Weight / Balance: 310g(11oz) / 315mm(9ptsHL)
 

Happi

Professional
Yes, but only if you order in POINTS. In mm, the numbers do not change, and that's the who point of using mm ( rather than points ) for measuring balance.

The swingweight formula does not use mid-point. It uses the balance point.
If you use a balance board then 315mm on a 27” racquet will be mor HL than on a 28” racquet. Thats why both mm snd balance points makes sense.
 

ockelito

New User
Does anyone know what the actual difference is when selecting an extended racquet? Is it the length of the handle? Asking because if I conclude I don't like the 27.25 inch, will I ruin it if I gut off 0.25 inches of the handle? And maybe adding some mass in the handle to compensate.
 

Dado111

New User
Does anyone know what the actual difference is when selecting an extended racquet? Is it the length of the handle? Asking because if I conclude I don't like the 27.25 inch, will I ruin it if I gut off 0.25 inches of the handle? And maybe adding some mass in the handle to compensate.
you don't need to worry about it, trust me, you won't even notice it...
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
Where in the handle do you guys add weight? I've tried a leather grip with thin over grip (made the grip too big), tried a kimony 0.8mm leather grip too but that didnt make it more HL.

I've tried adding lead to the buttcap but although it feels abit more headlight, the increase in static weight didnt make it feel more manoeuvrable. I usually like it around 320-330g, HL and whippy.
It takes a bit of work but after you take the grip off, heat up the pallets and pry them off carefully. On the handle you will probably see several lead weights that you can relocate. There are sometimes 6 spots that accept weights on the Angell racquets.
 
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esm

Hall of Fame
It takes a bit of work but after you take the grip off, heat up the pallets and pry them off carefully. On the handle you will probably see several lead weights that you can relocate. There are sometimes 6 spots that accept weights on the Angell racquets.
Here are some pix from last time.

This is V3 TC97… but the weighted handles are the same for the TCs.

The weight pieces weighs differently. The two in the pix are about 14g and 10g. (This one only has 2 pieces)




 

ockelito

New User
My TC97 27.25" 310 g 315 mm ends up with the following when adding strings, grip, dampener:

Weight: 332
Balance: 32.5
SW: 337

Which gives me a MGRI of 20.36. Isn't this really low? Is the frame really that polarized? The K7 red ended up at 21.13 with 3 g at each racquet tip.
 
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