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landcookie said:
I have asked Paul Angell that question once. His response was: "we do not measure twistweight of frames".

I am sure there is a way of working it out.
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Like i thought, that means there really is no point in the whole full customization selling point when you dont know one of the most important specs.
 
Donmikan said:
Like i thought, that means there really is no point in the whole full customization selling point when you dont know one of the most important specs.
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I also asked about twist weight and was told the following: 'We don’t currently measure or record twistweight as its not an industry standard measurement.'.
Here's some measurements I've taken using my Briffidi SW1:
TC105 V4: 13.9
TC100 V4 64RA: 13.2
TC97 V4 18x20: 13.0
ASi2.0 with 2g lead at 3/9: 12.9 (i don't recall the stock measurement but it was quite low)
 
guando said:
I also asked about twist weight and was told the following: 'We don’t currently measure or record twistweight as its not an industry standard measurement.'.
Here's some measurements I've taken using my Briffidi SW1:
TC105 V4: 13.9
TC100 V4 64RA: 13.2
TC97 V4 18x20: 13.0
ASi2.0 with 2g lead at 3/9: 12.9 (i don't recall the stock measurement but it was quite low)
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Nice, thanks for some data. What are the swingweights of these frames?
 
Donmikan said:
Like i thought, that means there really is no point in the whole full customization selling point when you dont know one of the most important specs.
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I also asked and was told something like they don't measure it as there's no industry standard way of doing so.
Donmikan said:
Nice, thanks for some data. What are the swingweights of these frames?
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All are currently strung with a poly or poly/poly hybrid (mostly Vokl Cyclone), readings as follows:
TC105 (27.5 300g): 321.8
TC97 18x20: 324.2
TC100 64RA: 329.0
ASi 2.0 (4g lead at 12): 315.8 (stock was around 300 from memory)
 
guando said:
I also asked and was told something like they don't measure it as there's no industry standard way of doing so.

All are currently strung with a poly or poly/poly hybrid (mostly Vokl Cyclone), readings as follows:
TC105 (27.5 300g): 321.8
TC97 18x20: 324.2
TC100 64RA: 329.0
ASi 2.0 (4g lead at 12): 315.8 (stock was around 300 from memory)
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I agree with Paul in that there isn't a "industry standard" for twistweight. Other manufacturers don't list twistweight, even TW doesn't measure it on their posted stats.
 
Where is the 5 inches added when comparing tc95 to tc100??? Some 100 inch rackets are too wide n clunky like yonex n head boom or gravity
 
maksp said:
Which is more stable in stock form the tc95 tc97 or react 96...given same weight ,SW,TW...tnx
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In my experience the React 96 is the least stable of that bunch, really needed some lead when I tested one out a while back. TC97 has never had any stability issues for me though neither has the 95, they both are comparable in that department.
 
ekucheraw said:
In my experience the React 96 is the least stable of that bunch, really needed some lead when I tested one out a while back. TC97 has never had any stability issues for me though neither has the 95, they both are comparable in that department.
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Have you tried v3 tc95 16x19 70RA?
 
maksp said:
Can you compare pro staff 97 to tc95 or tc97? Feel n power?
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Feel: Angell is better.
Power: Angell is better.
Pro Staff 97 is kind of dead-feeling and low power. Its only advantage is that it swings faster, and is less tiring in long matches.
TC95/97, in comparison, are rich in feel and have more power ( in 16x19 patterns).
Precision is about the same in both. The 70RA version of Angells provides better precision, but at the expense of feel.
Between TC95 RA63 / TC95 RA70 / TC97 RA66, the TC97 is the most powerful ( in 16x19 pattern ).
 
Tennisist said:
Feel: Angell is better.
Power: Angell is better.
Pro Staff 97 is kind of dead-feeling and low power. Its only advantage is that it swings faster, and is less tiring in long matches.
TC95/97, in comparison, are rich in feel and have more power ( in 16x19 patterns).
Precision is about the same in both. The 70RA version of Angells provides better precision, but at the expense of feel.
Between TC95 RA63 / TC95 RA70 / TC97 RA66, the TC97 is the most powerful ( in 16x19 pattern ).
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Thanks...tc95 70ra has less power then tc97? Usually manufacturers add 2 inches to where it doesn't change anything but is more marketing....usually a mm thicker or make throat area wider for people who hit on lower half of string bed
 
I wonder, with the TC 95/100 being around for a while now, if anyone has experiences in how they compare to the current 'modern' racquets on the market ie the Pure Aero 98, Head Speed, Ezone, even Technifibres etc.
 
Carreau said:
Standard length MPP was reported ~290 unstrung SW. Angell website says 288 SW. So, the SW should be spot on for you. Of course you can ask Angell directly what can be expected (I believe there can be variations from batch to batch). Regarding the TW - I think it will be lowed than 14, I would expect 13.
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I have the React MPP 18x19 (27"). It is my first Angell racket. Specs arrived as 305g unstrung, 31.3cm balance, 298 swingweight (briffidi) - I had specifically asked for one a bit above standard sw. This translated into 330g strung w/overgrip, 32.1cm balance, 331 sw. Twistweight measured in at 13.1 (using briffidi TW adapter). Strung in Angell Halo Comfort (the blue one) at 48lbs.

Played fantastically well - now played around 10 hours of singles and doubles with it. I found it a very solid hit and no issues with twistweight, so far. Swingweight is very manageable at 330ish. Needs to be restrung now. Will try another of the Angell strings.

I have ordered another React MPP to same spec, and sold my Wilson Pro Staff Six One 100 v13's (which I had used with a leather grip and 2g lead @ 12).

All in with Angell now......
 
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Just received my Angell React MPP 99. Can't decide what strings to slap on this new baby. I'm thinking tour m8 or black knight at 45#. What's everyone else stringing their React with?
 
slchsu said:
This was answered by Tennisist above, though I have to say that in my experience the TC95 16x19 was the most powerful.
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They don't make the 70ra anymore...I want the 70ra tc95 cause after grips n strings the RA is 65...angell measures RA without strings n grip...
 
i made some key takeaways with my Angell journey if someone is interested…




TC95 continues to be one of my favourite racquets ever. I recently tried Prestige Tour and this one is similarly interesting but with some differences.

My initial thoughts are that TC95 has higher launch angle which creates heavier ball. The string spacing is also more forgiving.
Where Prestige Tour shines is in control. Much easier to keep the ball low even with 1.25 strings. It is less „responsive” and „jumpy” which gives more connection and feel.


However TC95 has thinner beam so the connection is still one of the best around. Just the response is different.

They have similar stiffness and type of flex. So hitting with Prestige Tour was a very „familiar” experience. It felt like some variation of TC95 rather than a totally different racquet.

Prestige Tour felt a bit less forgiving but its been a while I used TC95 so hard to say for sure. It would make sense since prestige tour shines in „control and touch” while tc95 shines in „spin and touch”

Prestige Tour - hitting through the court
TC95 - hitting with more spin and variation.

My search continues…
 
galapagos said:
i made some key takeaways with my Angell journey if someone is interested…




TC95 continues to be one of my favourite racquets ever. I recently tried Prestige Tour and this one is similarly interesting but with some differences.

My initial thoughts are that TC95 has higher launch angle which creates heavier ball. The string spacing is also more forgiving.
Where Prestige Tour shines is in control. Much easier to keep the ball low even with 1.25 strings. It is less „responsive” and „jumpy” which gives more connection and feel.


However TC95 has thinner beam so the connection is still one of the best around. Just the response is different.

They have similar stiffness and type of flex. So hitting with Prestige Tour was a very „familiar” experience. It felt like some variation of TC95 rather than a totally different racquet.

Prestige Tour felt a bit less forgiving but its been a while I used TC95 so hard to say for sure. It would make sense since prestige tour shines in „control and touch” while tc95 shines in „spin and touch”

Prestige Tour - hitting through the court
TC95 - hitting with more spin and variation.

My search continues…
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Test on same day , strings n tension....then search will end
 
Hi Everyone - I am thinking about getting an Angell Racket and would appreciate recommendations on which one is right for me. Here are the relevant details about my game and what I am looking for that I think you should know, but please let me know if I can provide additional information.
  • I primarily use a Vcore Pro 97d, which I love the feel of, but can sometimes seem heavy in longer matches (particularly when serving), and I have trouble accessing spin with it, which is the primary thing I am looking for in a new racket
  • I recently had some GE issues and have been using a Wilson Clash 100 v2 to help deal with it -while I dislike the inconsistency of the stringbed, the significant increase in spin I'm getting on my groundstrokes has led to much better results in singles, which has been a surprise, and is really the primary reason I am looking for a new racket (with more control than the Clash)
  • I am looking for a lighter racket that gives me access to spin without sacrificing too much control. Power is probably my third concern - I am not opposed to it (who doesn't like free power?), but I don't want to sacrifice consistency across the stringbed too much in order to get it (I've tried rackets that are particularly bouncy in the middle of the stringbed, including an oversized Angell custom years ago, and I don't mesh well with them)
  • I am a 4.0 player
  • Almost all my competitive matches are played on clay (HarTru) courts
  • I am an all-court player, and in relation to most clay court players, my game would be considered aggressive:
    • I serve and volley a fair amount (~33% of the time)
    • I win points by getting to the net
    • I am fairly large and while I am not unfit, I am also not exactly an endurance athlete, so prolonged rallies against fitter players (who seem to do particularly well at my level on clay) don't benefit me
    • My serve is above average for my level and the closest thing I have to a weapon (all relative of course, not sure many players at my level really have "weapons"), everything else is fairly average for my level, except endurance, which is below average for my level
  • I want spin primarily to help me open up the court (angles, deep/heavy shots that push players back) while keeping the ball in. I want to keep as much control as possible primarily for approach shots and deep volleys that are crucial to my strategy.
  • I play singles and doubles, but my racket selection is for singles. I am not sure I'd switch from the 97D for doubles.
  • I like the idea of Angell because of the opportunity to customize and because of feedback I've seen about the quality, feel and arm friendliness
  • I am experienced in modifying rackets and not afraid to get something that is a platform racket and make adjustments as needed.
In sum, I'm looking for the best Angell racket for clay courts, with emphasis on spin/control over power. Of course, if you think based on the above Angell is not right for me, that is welcome advice as well. I've also considered a Percept 100 or something similar. Note that I cannot use a Babolat with my penchant for GE. While I like Yonex, I don't like the feel of the VCore line (the obvious Yonex spin option).

Note that the K7 Red (which I think is supposed to be a spin racket) is not currently available, so isn't an option.

Thanks in advance for your advice!
 
Vantage5 said:
Hi Everyone - I am thinking about getting an Angell Racket and would appreciate recommendations on which one is right for me. Here are the relevant details about my game and what I am looking for that I think you should know, but please let me know if I can provide additional information.
  • I primarily use a Vcore Pro 97d, which I love the feel of, but can sometimes seem heavy in longer matches (particularly when serving), and I have trouble accessing spin with it, which is the primary thing I am looking for in a new racket
  • I recently had some GE issues and have been using a Wilson Clash 100 v2 to help deal with it -while I dislike the inconsistency of the stringbed, the significant increase in spin I'm getting on my groundstrokes has led to much better results in singles, which has been a surprise, and is really the primary reason I am looking for a new racket (with more control than the Clash)
  • I am looking for a lighter racket that gives me access to spin without sacrificing too much control. Power is probably my third concern - I am not opposed to it (who doesn't like free power?), but I don't want to sacrifice consistency across the stringbed too much in order to get it (I've tried rackets that are particularly bouncy in the middle of the stringbed, including an oversized Angell custom years ago, and I don't mesh well with them)
  • I am a 4.0 player
  • Almost all my competitive matches are played on clay (HarTru) courts
  • I am an all-court player, and in relation to most clay court players, my game would be considered aggressive:
    • I serve and volley a fair amount (~33% of the time)
    • I win points by getting to the net
    • I am fairly large and while I am not unfit, I am also not exactly an endurance athlete, so prolonged rallies against fitter players (who seem to do particularly well at my level on clay) don't benefit me
    • My serve is above average for my level and the closest thing I have to a weapon (all relative of course, not sure many players at my level really have "weapons"), everything else is fairly average for my level, except endurance, which is below average for my level
  • I want spin primarily to help me open up the court (angles, deep/heavy shots that push players back) while keeping the ball in. I want to keep as much control as possible primarily for approach shots and deep volleys that are crucial to my strategy.
  • I play singles and doubles, but my racket selection is for singles. I am not sure I'd switch from the 97D for doubles.
  • I like the idea of Angell because of the opportunity to customize and because of feedback I've seen about the quality, feel and arm friendliness
  • I am experienced in modifying rackets and not afraid to get something that is a platform racket and make adjustments as needed.
In sum, I'm looking for the best Angell racket for clay courts, with emphasis on spin/control over power. Of course, if you think based on the above Angell is not right for me, that is welcome advice as well. I've also considered a Percept 100 or something similar. Note that I cannot use a Babolat with my penchant for GE. While I like Yonex, I don't like the feel of the VCore line (the obvious Yonex spin option).

Note that the K7 Red (which I think is supposed to be a spin racket) is not currently available, so isn't an option.

Thanks in advance for your advice!
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Percept is not arm friendly. I would go for React MP or MPP. And I would call or message Paul directly for his advice.
 
Vantage5 said:
Hi Everyone - I am thinking about getting an Angell Racket and would appreciate recommendations on which one is right for me. Here are the relevant details about my game and what I am looking for that I think you should know, but please let me know if I can provide additional information.
  • I primarily use a Vcore Pro 97d, which I love the feel of, but can sometimes seem heavy in longer matches (particularly when serving), and I have trouble accessing spin with it, which is the primary thing I am looking for in a new racket
  • I recently had some GE issues and have been using a Wilson Clash 100 v2 to help deal with it -while I dislike the inconsistency of the stringbed, the significant increase in spin I'm getting on my groundstrokes has led to much better results in singles, which has been a surprise, and is really the primary reason I am looking for a new racket (with more control than the Clash)
  • I am looking for a lighter racket that gives me access to spin without sacrificing too much control. Power is probably my third concern - I am not opposed to it (who doesn't like free power?), but I don't want to sacrifice consistency across the stringbed too much in order to get it (I've tried rackets that are particularly bouncy in the middle of the stringbed, including an oversized Angell custom years ago, and I don't mesh well with them)
  • I am a 4.0 player
  • Almost all my competitive matches are played on clay (HarTru) courts
  • I am an all-court player, and in relation to most clay court players, my game would be considered aggressive:
    • I serve and volley a fair amount (~33% of the time)
    • I win points by getting to the net
    • I am fairly large and while I am not unfit, I am also not exactly an endurance athlete, so prolonged rallies against fitter players (who seem to do particularly well at my level on clay) don't benefit me
    • My serve is above average for my level and the closest thing I have to a weapon (all relative of course, not sure many players at my level really have "weapons"), everything else is fairly average for my level, except endurance, which is below average for my level
  • I want spin primarily to help me open up the court (angles, deep/heavy shots that push players back) while keeping the ball in. I want to keep as much control as possible primarily for approach shots and deep volleys that are crucial to my strategy.
  • I play singles and doubles, but my racket selection is for singles. I am not sure I'd switch from the 97D for doubles.
  • I like the idea of Angell because of the opportunity to customize and because of feedback I've seen about the quality, feel and arm friendliness
  • I am experienced in modifying rackets and not afraid to get something that is a platform racket and make adjustments as needed.
In sum, I'm looking for the best Angell racket for clay courts, with emphasis on spin/control over power. Of course, if you think based on the above Angell is not right for me, that is welcome advice as well. I've also considered a Percept 100 or something similar. Note that I cannot use a Babolat with my penchant for GE. While I like Yonex, I don't like the feel of the VCore line (the obvious Yonex spin option).

Note that the K7 Red (which I think is supposed to be a spin racket) is not currently available, so isn't an option.

Thanks in advance for your advice!
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I would lean towards a custom 97 18x20. I have never lacked spin, even with the 18x20. If you really want to have fun, get it in 27.25 or 27.5.

You can keep the weight at 305 or 310g.

All your normal Har tru opponents will hate you!
 
Vantage5 said:
Hi Everyone - I am thinking about getting an Angell Racket and would appreciate recommendations on which one is right for me. Here are the relevant details about my game and what I am looking for that I think you should know, but please let me know if I can provide additional information.
  • I primarily use a Vcore Pro 97d, which I love the feel of, but can sometimes seem heavy in longer matches (particularly when serving), and I have trouble accessing spin with it, which is the primary thing I am looking for in a new racket
  • I recently had some GE issues and have been using a Wilson Clash 100 v2 to help deal with it -while I dislike the inconsistency of the stringbed, the significant increase in spin I'm getting on my groundstrokes has led to much better results in singles, which has been a surprise, and is really the primary reason I am looking for a new racket (with more control than the Clash)
  • I am looking for a lighter racket that gives me access to spin without sacrificing too much control. Power is probably my third concern - I am not opposed to it (who doesn't like free power?), but I don't want to sacrifice consistency across the stringbed too much in order to get it (I've tried rackets that are particularly bouncy in the middle of the stringbed, including an oversized Angell custom years ago, and I don't mesh well with them)
  • I am a 4.0 player
  • Almost all my competitive matches are played on clay (HarTru) courts
  • I am an all-court player, and in relation to most clay court players, my game would be considered aggressive:
    • I serve and volley a fair amount (~33% of the time)
    • I win points by getting to the net
    • I am fairly large and while I am not unfit, I am also not exactly an endurance athlete, so prolonged rallies against fitter players (who seem to do particularly well at my level on clay) don't benefit me
    • My serve is above average for my level and the closest thing I have to a weapon (all relative of course, not sure many players at my level really have "weapons"), everything else is fairly average for my level, except endurance, which is below average for my level
  • I want spin primarily to help me open up the court (angles, deep/heavy shots that push players back) while keeping the ball in. I want to keep as much control as possible primarily for approach shots and deep volleys that are crucial to my strategy.
  • I play singles and doubles, but my racket selection is for singles. I am not sure I'd switch from the 97D for doubles.
  • I like the idea of Angell because of the opportunity to customize and because of feedback I've seen about the quality, feel and arm friendliness
  • I am experienced in modifying rackets and not afraid to get something that is a platform racket and make adjustments as needed.
In sum, I'm looking for the best Angell racket for clay courts, with emphasis on spin/control over power. Of course, if you think based on the above Angell is not right for me, that is welcome advice as well. I've also considered a Percept 100 or something similar. Note that I cannot use a Babolat with my penchant for GE. While I like Yonex, I don't like the feel of the VCore line (the obvious Yonex spin option).

Note that the K7 Red (which I think is supposed to be a spin racket) is not currently available, so isn't an option.

Thanks in advance for your advice!
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I moved from a prince phantom 100 18x20 ( 320g leaded to about 330g ) to the Angell tc95 18x20 ( 310g/315mm ) ....easy transition, don't notice the change in head size...
Main reason for the change was to get something lighter for those off days .....
Think that or the 16x19 version with similar weight and balance might help
 
Carreau said:
Percept is not arm friendly. I would go for React MP or MPP. And I would call or message Paul directly for his advice.
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Thanks for the response! The React is definitely on my radar. I am not sure how spin friendly the MPP is, so have mostly considered the MP 99 and the Mid 96. I worry a little about the lack of reviews on the MP 99. I know that Angell 16x19's have wide spacing (which is part of the reason why I am interested), and that the spacing on the TC100 is a bit much for some people, and I worry the same might be true for the MP 99 (same grommets). The Mid 96 seems pretty ideal, I just worry about too small a head size on HarTru (HarTru that is not always the most well groomed and has inconsistent bounces). I took your advice and reached out to Paul, but am also hoping I can gain from people's real world experience with the rackets as well, so appreciate all responses!
 
emhtennis said:
I would lean towards a custom 97 18x20. I have never lacked spin, even with the 18x20. If you really want to have fun, get it in 27.25 or 27.5.

You can keep the weight at 305 or 310g.

All your normal Har tru opponents will hate you!
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Thanks for the response! The 97 was not on my radar. It looks great, but based on what I've read, it seems like the spin oriented TCs are the TC95 and TC100. Am I wrong about that? Do I need to reconsider? Certainly a very strong recommendation, I just thought, based on what I've read, that the TC97 was more for flat hitting and control.
 
Junioradae said:
I moved from a prince phantom 100 18x20 ( 320g leaded to about 330g ) to the Angell tc95 18x20 ( 310g/315mm ) ....easy transition, don't notice the change in head size...
Main reason for the change was to get something lighter for those off days .....
Think that or the 16x19 version with similar weight and balance might help
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Thanks! I have an opportunity to try the TC95 this weekend (playing with someone that has one), so am planning to try it out before purchasing anything. Would be great if it is the answer.
 
Junioradae said:
I moved from a prince phantom 100 18x20 ( 320g leaded to about 330g ) to the Angell tc95 18x20 ( 310g/315mm ) ....easy transition, don't notice the change in head size...
Main reason for the change was to get something lighter for those off days .....
Think that or the 16x19 version with similar weight and balance might help
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The PP100x 18x20 has a much bigger sweetspot than the tc95 18x20. I played both intensively and I noticed that the Prince plays a lot easier that even feels like cheating compared to the TC95.
 
Gee said:
The PP100x 18x20 has a much bigger sweetspot than the tc95 18x20. I played both intensively and I noticed that the Prince plays a lot easier that even feels like cheating compared to the TC95.
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The reply was in relation to his first point regarding the 97d feeling heavy at times. A 100"" head will likely have a bigger sweat spot than a 95 due its bigger real estate but my experience still stands as I tend to consistently hit the same spot on either racket....100/320 "can" be tiring compared to 95/310
Gee said:
The PP100x 18x20 has a much bigger sweetspot than the tc95 18x20. I played both intensively and I noticed that the Prince plays a lot easier that even feels like cheating compared to the TC95
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Junioradae said:
The reply was in relation to his first point regarding the 97d feeling heavy at times. A 100"" head will likely have a bigger sweat spot than a 95 due its bigger real estate but my experience still stands as I tend to consistently hit the same spot on either racket....100/320 "can" be tiring compared to 95/310
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Allright I see.
A lighter frame with a smaller head size and lower swingweight is indeed more maneuverable and can be less tiring.
 
Vantage5 said:
Thanks for the response! The 97 was not on my radar. It looks great, but based on what I've read, it seems like the spin oriented TCs are the TC95 and TC100. Am I wrong about that? Do I need to reconsider? Certainly a very strong recommendation, I just thought, based on what I've read, that the TC97 was more for flat hitting and control.
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I recommended the 97 as an easier transition from the Yonex. Box beam to box beam. I have both an Angell 95 and 97 18x20 in identical specs.

The 95 is easier to shape the ball, the 97 easier to flatten out. The 95 also creates the best slice backhands I've ever hit. The 97 is no slouch either, just not quite at the 95.

The 97 serves bigger and returns a little easier.

No wrong choice!
 
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