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DamoUK

New User
Mmmm kevlar... always wanted to try those... I used Gamma Boron in the 80's/ early 90's.
kevlar/alu rough pockets the ball like nothing else, defo worth a go!

question- does anyone know if Pauls planning to update paintjob on TC95 anytime soon?I want to get a couple more 16x19 70ra but would prefer the TC97 PJ
 

Bogdan_TT

Professional
Grip question for you guys. Is the C grip truly even-sided? I have an TC97 with a B grip but I prefer something closer to a Babolat shape. My memory is fuzzy but if I'm not mistaken, before the Angell website was updated with the TC97 release the B was described as Babolat-like. I find B to be more like std Head. Anyway, I definitely don't want even-sided so if that's what C is then I'll stick with B.
No, the C grip is not even sided. It is still rectangular, but much rounder than the rest. I know because I had the same question in the beginning, and the I bit the bullet and got C grip. You will definetely know which side your racquet is :)

Personally I found the B3 grip (Wilson 4 3/8) to be a tad large, feeling like a 4 grip in the hand. The ronder C3 (Prince) grip fits just perfectly.

But by all means, the sides are not all equal for the C grip.
Hope it helps.
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
question- does anyone know if Pauls planning to update paintjob on TC95 anytime soon?I want to get a couple more 16x19 70ra but would prefer the TC97 PJ
I want to know this too. If they're going to change to the TC97 pj I'll definitely hold off until then.
 

jhusein

Rookie
Let me know how you make out.
I'm taking of my B shape L4 pallets and going with C shape.
I will. Still waiting for a response from Paul though,
Also, if you remove your L4 pallets and you think you will not use them again, I'll be happy to get them from you. Just let me know.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
I will. Still waiting for a response from Paul though,
Also, if you remove your L4 pallets and you think you will not use them again, I'll be happy to get them from you. Just let me know.
I just removes the first one last night. We'll see how the swap goes.
Replacement pallets were a bit heavier (10g).
 

teekaywhy

Professional
I have a set of Angell B-4 pallets pm if you are interested
Jbp, what did you do about the adhesive gauze looking stuff that was on the hairpin? I'm assuming it was to keep the pallet on, a la Head double sided tape, but mine wasn't salvageable.
I'm a little concerned about the replacements staying on as the lower 3" of the hairpin has no surface contact with the new pallet other than some flimsy tape.
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
After loaning out my TC100 to a friend to try it out, he just put his order in for a couple of TC100s
I love this. Seems everyone that tries an Angell is wow'd. Last fall I was playing with my dad and it was my first time out with my TC95. When we were done and I was raving about my new racquet he decided to give it a go for a few. He hit some of his best shots of the day with my TC95 and this is after 3hrs of grueling play in the sun. He's tired but he's still hitting some smokers. He seemed impressed with the racquet.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Are they 10 grams heavier? Wow
Yep. This is after trimming pallets to proper length.
Had to adjust with a few things, but I'm slightly annoyed about the whole situation.
I suppose its my fault but I can't help but think that the grip shape descriptions are a little off.
 

jhusein

Rookie
Yep. This is after trimming pallets to proper length.
Had to adjust with a few things, but I'm slightly annoyed about the whole situation.
I suppose its my fault but I can't help but think that the grip shape descriptions are a little off.
Someone mentioned that Paul put lead under the pallets. did you remove any lead to compensate for this extra weight?
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Someone mentioned that Paul put lead under the pallets. did you remove any lead to compensate for this extra weight?
I did. I ended up removing one of the lead weights.
The lead under the pallets is correct. The hairpin is actually designed to accept square shaped weigh slugs at different points. It's a clever design and allows a lot of flexibility and customization.
One potential drawback that I can see is that the last 3 or so inches of the hairpin is semi-hollowed out to accommodate the weights. This may (or may not) affect the structural integrity of the handle section. So far I haven't noticed anything to suggest it does.
One other thing I did notice is that the adhesive used to secure the pallets to the hairpin is a white, gauze looking type material that is very sticky. It's much thicker looking than that which you find on Head racquets for example. it almost looks like double sided duct tape.
 

jhusein

Rookie
I did. I ended up removing one of the lead weights.
The lead under the pallets is correct. The hairpin is actually designed to accept square shaped weigh slugs at different points. It's a clever design and allows a lot of flexibility and customization.
One potential drawback that I can see is that the last 3 or so inches of the hairpin is semi-hollowed out to accommodate the weights. This may (or may not) affect the structural integrity of the handle section. So far I haven't noticed anything to suggest it does.
One other thing I did notice is that the adhesive used to secure the pallets to the hairpin is a white, gauze looking type material that is very sticky. It's much thicker looking than that which you find on Head racquets for example. it almost looks like double sided duct tape.
Great info. Thanks.
 
I did. I ended up removing one of the lead weights.
The lead under the pallets is correct. The hairpin is actually designed to accept square shaped weigh slugs at different points. It's a clever design and allows a lot of flexibility and customization.
One potential drawback that I can see is that the last 3 or so inches of the hairpin is semi-hollowed out to accommodate the weights. This may (or may not) affect the structural integrity of the handle section. So far I haven't noticed anything to suggest it does.
One other thing I did notice is that the adhesive used to secure the pallets to the hairpin is a white, gauze looking type material that is very sticky. It's much thicker looking than that which you find on Head racquets for example. it almost looks like double sided duct tape.
Grip shapes are so personal and specific (why pros pay p1 40K a year too). I was having a hard time figuring out whether I wanted 4 3/8 grip or 4 1/2. By luck of the draw the used stick I picked up has 4 3/8 in a B pallet. I now know I probably want 4 1/2 (I always flare the butt so it isnt as critical for me). As for the hollowed out area... the hairpin is cast that way from carbon fiber like therest of the stick so it should be as strong as the rest of the frame... graphite is very strong so that shouldnt be a concern. What I do like is the ease in which the frame responds to customization. Some frames you add a little weight or add a leather grip and the personaility chages little. With the TC95 it seems like one can make it into a spin machine or a flat hitting truck with ease. The feel is very good to me... more like the older foam filled frames but different than say the "Fischer Feel" which seems to be based on frequency tuning rather than foam dampening. TheTC95 reminds me of older dunlop 200 + 300 lines and wilson pro staff85-95.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Well, I made a new discovery today: mailing a ~14oz. box to England from the east coast of the U.S is absurdly expensive.
Interesting. I've sent a package of 1 kilogram weight from EU to California for some 25 dollars and in return received at least 14oz. package shipped for 22 dollars.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Using what? DHL was $184 and they were the cheapest.
What I can read from the receipt I've been scanned is something like "First-Class Pkg Int'l Svc". And it was exactly 19.90 dollars for one packed 330g unstrung racquet delivered from California to EU. Another thing- it took almost a week or so...
 

supineAnimation

Hall of Fame
I was as surprised as you guys. Apparently the USPS is basically not responsible for the package at all once it leaves the U.S. So it's dangerous to use them to ship to the UK. But I didn't get a price from them.

Paul arranged a pick up for far less, but I had no idea it cost that much through DHL. UPS is even more expensive.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Well, thats it. I'm going to email Paul tonight and ask to have my TC97s converted to the C pallets. I just got done with the one that I converted on my own last night and it's going to end up anywhere from 5-6 grams off. Which means the balance will be different.
Annoying to say the least.
Unless I just sell what I have and buy two more with the correct pallet shape.
Dang it to heck
 

jhusein

Rookie
Well, thats it. I'm going to email Paul tonight and ask to have my TC97s converted to the C pallets. I just got done with the one that I converted on my own last night and it's going to end up anywhere from 5-6 grams off. Which means the balance will be different.
Annoying to say the least.
Unless I just sell what I have and buy two more with the correct pallet shape.
Dang it to heck
Makes me think twice about changing mine! I have never changed pallets and I am hesitant to mess with such an expensive stick!
I only played with one out of the three and the other two are still brand new. Maybe I can also sell the 2 new ones and order two new ones with L4-B!
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Makes me think twice about changing mine! I have never changed pallets and I am hesitant to mess with such an expensive stick!
I only played with one out of the three and the other two are still brand new. Maybe I can also sell the 2 new ones and order two new ones with L4-B!
The weight customization that makes Angells such a unique stick is also their biggest drawback. You can't mess with it without really messing with it.
 

jhusein

Rookie
The weight customization that makes Angells such a unique stick is also their biggest drawback. You can't mess with it without really messing with it.
I guess, for now, I'll keep the L3-B on the one I am using and change the Angell leather grip to slightly a thicker one. The B shape is OK with me and the L3 is a bit smaller for my hands but its still usable.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
I guess, for now, I'll keep the L3-B on the one I am using and change the Angell leather grip to slightly a thicker one. The B shape is OK with me and the L3 is a bit smaller for my hands but its still usable.
Yeah. The Angell leather is a bit thin. I think a TW brand grip would do the trick.
As an aside, the C shape pallet is not square but slightly less ractangualr than the B. It's more like a yonex grip than anything.
 

jhusein

Rookie
Yeah. The Angell leather is a bit thin. I think a TW brand grip would do the trick.
As an aside, the C shape pallet is not square but slightly less ractangualr than the B. It's more like a yonex grip than anything.
The rectangular B is OK with me as I played Volkl and Head for years (still Angell B is not as rectangular as volkl but that is good thing though).
 

DamoUK

New User
Makes me think twice about changing mine! I have never changed pallets and I am hesitant to mess with such an expensive stick!
I only played with one out of the three and the other two are still brand new. Maybe I can also sell the 2 new ones and order two new ones with L4-B!
i changed pallets on all my TC97s last week and took no more than 5 mins per go as really easy! I emailed Paul for new ones that he sent out quickly. Let us know when i get them and ill tell u how to do it- you need something to get out staples like a strong thin knife and small pliers, a thinly serated saw(like a small box shaped one to trim ends) and then a good staple gun to re-apply them after on new pallets(got mine in local hardware store for a tenner!)- i was a bit worried then realised it was a piece of peace to do (",)
 

JohnBPittsburgh

Hall of Fame
Wow, I missed a lot :) I just put new double sided tape on it after totally clearing the old adhesive off everything off (not a fun process) If I recall I even was able to throw a staple into them (using an electronic staple gun I bought for these frames) I didn't have any problems, and I was inexperienced when I started the whole process. I can now do it all day long, and very easily. I would say the weight difference is probably from different adhesives. You can fill in the little lead plug holes with blutack also, if you want to add some weight. Lol, I should start my racquet customization business and call it, JBPA instead of **** :) I have spent way too much time and way too many frames, learning the process. But I got a brand new Angell TC-100 from a TT'er and had it customized to my specs and put back together in around 30 minutes. (It was basically a pro stock Angell. It had no weights added, so it was like a blank canvas for me to go crazy on!!! Lots of fun when you have the confidence to do it!) Now it plays like a beast!!
 
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Gee

Hall of Fame
Yeah. The Angell leather is a bit thin. I think a TW brand grip would do the trick.
As an aside, the C shape pallet is not square but slightly less ractangualr than the B. It's more like a yonex grip than anything.
Now I am a bit confused about the different grip shapes. Which one of both the grip B and C is more similar like the Head TK82S grip pallets?
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Now I am a bit confused about the different grip shapes. Which one of both the grip B and C is more similar like the Head TK82S grip pallets?
I'd say the C shape. But that's how it feels to my hand and fingers. The B shape feels like the standard TK82
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
Now I am a bit confused about the different grip shapes. Which one of both the grip B and C is more similar like the Head TK82S grip pallets?
I'd say the C shape. But that's how it feels to my hand and fingers. The B shape feels like the standard TK82
Thank you.
I really like my Vantage 95. Yesterday I was hitting great again that made me think I just have to purchase a second TC95. My flat backhand improved considerably and the balls were skidding over the artificial grass court. I noticed more precision and control with my 1st flat serve. Spin strokes like the slice and kick serve require a little more effort as I am used to. I think the return of serve is a bit more demanding as well.
However I am still hesitating as the TC97 is intriguing me as well that might be a bit more forgiving against tougher opponents. Does the TC97 play much easier that might make the difference?
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
Thank you.
I really like my Vantage 95. Yesterday I was hitting great again that made me think I just have to purchase a second TC95. My flat backhand improved considerably and the balls were skidding over the artificial grass court. I noticed more precision and control with my 1st flat serve. Spin strokes like the slice and kick serve require a little more effort as I am used to. I think the return of serve is a bit more demanding as well.
However I am still hesitating as the TC97 is intriguing me as well that might be a bit more forgiving against tougher opponents. Does the TC97 play much easier that might make the difference?
TC97 just slightest bit more forgiving and the TC95 is already forgiving for a 95 head size. I think it is more of the feel of the racquet then anything else with more flex built into the head of the 97. The TC100 is certainly the most forgiving and brings in most pounding hit quality
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
TC97 just slightest bit more forgiving and the TC95 is already forgiving for a 95 head size. I think it is more of the feel of the racquet then anything else with more flex built into the head of the 97. The TC100 is certainly the most forgiving and brings in most pounding hit quality
Thanks for your answer.
What I also really like about the Vantage 95 18x20 is the predictability. I exactly feel where my shots are going to land. Something that I don't always experience with my Völkl C10 Pro. Maybe this has something to do with the uniform flex of the Vantage 95. How does the TC97 feel in this respect?
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
Thanks for your answer.
What I also really like about the Vantage 95 18x20 is the predictability. I exactly feel where my shots are going to land. Something that I didn't always experience with my Völkl C10 Pro. Maybe this has something to do with the uniform flex of the Vantage 95. How does TC97 feel in this respect?
Well, that's what I meant with previous post. The 97 seems to have more flex in the head and not as uniform as the 95. I favor a more uniform flex in a racquet
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
Well, that's what I meant with previous post. The 97 seems to have more flex in the head and not as uniform as the 95. I favor a more uniform flex in a racquet
This sounds like the TC97 is similar to the C10 Pro in this respect. I think you helped take away my last few doubts about choosing between a second Vantage 95/Angell TC95 and a TC97. It becomes clearer to me that the 95 18x20 is the best option for my game. Especially as I used to play mostly on artificial grass where flat shots are very effectively.
 

topspn

Hall of Fame
This sounds like the TC97 is similar to the C10 Pro in this respect. I think you helped take away my last few doubts about choosing between a second Vantage 95/Angell TC95 and a TC97. It becomes clearer to me that the 95 18x20 is the best option for my game. Especially as I used to play mostly on artificial grass where flat shots are very effectively.
By the way, my stick is the TC95 16x19 but I still am far more fond of the quality of precision as well over TC97
 

jhusein

Rookie
i changed pallets on all my TC97s last week and took no more than 5 mins per go as really easy! I emailed Paul for new ones that he sent out quickly. Let us know when i get them and ill tell u how to do it- you need something to get out staples like a strong thin knife and small pliers, a thinly serated saw(like a small box shaped one to trim ends) and then a good staple gun to re-apply them after on new pallets(got mine in local hardware store for a tenner!)- i was a bit worried then realised it was a piece of peace to do (",)
Thanks. I am waiting for Paul to see if or when he will ship the new Pallets.
 

Gee

Hall of Fame
By the way, my stick is the TC95 16x19 but I still am far more fond of the quality of precision as well over TC97
Good to know the precision of the TC95 is sublime. I can imagine myself that I would prefer a 16x19 string pattern when I have to play on clay or similar court surfaces.
 

PigPen

Semi-Pro
I am loving my TC95s. The best feel of any frame I have ever used. Great control. Serves like a beast. Brings out the real quality (or lack of) in strings. Incredible!
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
My TC95 70RA does everything great. But I have to admit I'm considering my 2nd being the 63RA version. A softer racquet wouldn't upset me one bit. The reason I got the 70RA in the first place was for increased maneuverability and more power. I wonder though how much of a difference in those 2 factors the 2 versions are.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
My TC95 70RA does everything great. But I have to admit I'm considering my 2nd being the 63RA version. A softer racquet wouldn't upset me one bit. The reason I got the 70RA in the first place was for increased maneuverability and more power. I wonder though how much of a difference in those 2 factors the 2 versions are.
It would surely be nice to have both. Just order a 63 with a different bumper/grommet color.

You could perhaps use the 70 for service games and the 63 for return games. Or you could just switch around when you feel like it.
 
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