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My TC95 70RA does everything great. But I have to admit I'm considering my 2nd being the 63RA version. A softer racquet wouldn't upset me one bit. The reason I got the 70RA in the first place was for increased maneuverability and more power. I wonder though how much of a difference in those 2 factors the 2 versions are.
Well, Ive heard there isnt that much difference in power, just feel. Makes sense as mass and SW will trump stiffness and the 63ra has slightly higher SW all other things being equal. I can say the 63ra is a very different feel than a strung RA at 64... you really do notice the flex.
 

Gee

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When I added a vibration dampener of 3 grams just above the top cross string at my Vantage 95 (see picture) the pieces were falling into place.
After a few hitting sessions I convinced myself that this is the right setup for me. Now I want to make a permanent customization by adding lead at 12. I am only not sure how many grams and what length of lead strips I should use in order to achieve the same increase in swingweight and balance. I have a roll of Tourna leadtape that mentions that 4 inch weighs about 1 gram. Does anyone know how to fix this?

 
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rlau

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When I added a vibration dampener of 3 grams just above the top cross string at my Vantage 95 (see picture) the pieces were falling into place.
After a few hitting sessions I convinced myself that this is the right setup for me. Now I want to make a permanent customization by adding lead at 12. I am only not sure how many grams and what length of lead strips I should use in order to achieve the same increase in swingweight and balance. I have a roll of Tourna leadtape that mentions that 4 inch weighs about 1 gram. Does anyone know how to fix this?
I'd cut two strips weighing 1.5 grams each (using a kitchen scale) and stick 'm at 12. Adjust from there.
 

Gee

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Just ordered a TC95 as a birthday present with the following specs (like my Vantage):
String Pattern: 18 x 20
Stiffness: 63 RA
Length: 27
Bumper Grommets: Green
Weight / Balance: 330g(11.7oz) / 305mm(12ptsHL)
Grip Size: L3 - 4 3/8
Handle Shape: C
Grip Type: Black Leather

I opted the handle shape C because that 'll be most similar like the Head TK82S grip shape but not completely square as some people here said.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Thanks, that was my first instinct as well. That 'll be lead strips of about 15cm long.
6" of lead is a little more than 1.5g. You may want to double check your math.

Edit. Sorry. Didn't see your other post. If the packaging says 4"-1g then I guess you're about right. But it must be some narrow lead tape.
 

Gee

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6" of lead is a little more than 1.5g. You may want to double check your math.

Edit. Sorry. Didn't see your other post. If the packaging says 4"-1g then I guess you're about right. But it must be some narrow lead tape.
Yes, it is 1/4" wide lead tape.

BTW How does the C handle feel to you?
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Just ordered a TC95 as a birthday present with the following specs (like my Vantage):
String Pattern: 18 x 20
Stiffness: 63 RA
Length: 27
Bumper Grommets: Green
Weight / Balance: 330g(11.7oz) / 305mm(12ptsHL)
Grip Size: L3 - 4 3/8
Handle Shape: C
Grip Type: Black Leather

I opted the handle shape C because that 'll be most similar like the Head TK82S grip shape but not completely square as some people here said.
Yes, it is 1/4" wide lead tape.

BTW How does the C handle feel to you?
I much prefer the C handle shape. It feels like a yonex grip to me. IOW, less rectangular. I can't stand Head pallets.
 

Gee

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I much prefer the C handle shape. It feels like a yonex grip to me. IOW, less rectangular. I can't stand Head pallets.
Me either. I always replaced the original TK82 grip pallets with TK82S ones when I used a Head and with Völkl the regular grip pallets with the S (Attiva) ones.
 

supineAnimation

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How can I tell which ahead code handle I have on my YTPPs? Do I have to take the grip off?

Also, Head measures their head sizes by the outer perimeter unlike some other frames, right? So does that mean the TC95 is similar to my 98" YTPPs and the TC97 is actually larger?

Bump: anyone know the twistweights of any of the Angell frames?
 

rlau

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SupineAnimation, if you bought your YTPPs from a store and did not change the pallets, they're TK82. The rounder TK82S only comes with the Speed (and Extreme?) lines.
 

rlau

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If you bought them second hand, the previous user may have changed the pallets. In that case you'd have to take off the grips to be sure.
 

Gee

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Also, Head measures their head sizes by the outer perimeter unlike some other frames, right? So does that mean the TC95 is similar to my 98" YTPPs and the TC97 is actually larger?
Yes, the head size of the Head Prestige MP is actual 95 sq inch but they advertise them as a 98. See this thread for more information.
 

supineAnimation

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Yes, the head size of the Head Prestige MP is actual 95 sq inch but they advertise them as a 98. See this thread for more information.
So the TC95 is actually the same head size as my 98" YTPP?

I have the Wilson 95S here and when I compare it to the Prestige it's actually wider on the sides but slightly smaller in height.
 

JohnBPittsburgh

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I honestly have a difficult time telling the difference on court between my two TC-100s (one 63, one 70). I thought it was going to be drastic, it isn't. They are both great, but because how well made these frames are, the differences are minute (I can feel the flex in the throat of the 63...that's it) They both hit the same heavy ball for me.
 

supineAnimation

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FWIW, I measured the head sizes of three frames I have here using the formula (((L+W)/2)^2) x (pi/4) and here are the results:

YouTek Prestige Pro= 633.15cm2
TC97= 637.616cm2
Wilson 95S (2014)= 626.48

Anyone wanna do me a solid and measure their TC95 in cm2?
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
Me either. I always replaced the original TK82 grip pallets with TK82S ones when I used a Head and with Völkl the regular grip pallets with the S (Attiva) ones.
Any idea where I can get Attiva pallets in the US? I've looked around and can't find em. Would love to change the stock L4 grip only V1 to Attiva L5.
 

n8dawg6

Legend
FWIW, I measured the head sizes of three frames I have here using the formula (((L+W)/2)^2) x (pi/4) and here are the results:

YouTek Prestige Pro= 633.15cm2
TC97= 637.616cm2
Wilson 95S (2014)= 626.48

Anyone wanna do me a solid and measure their TC95 in cm2?
wow so we're talking a spread of about .... four centimeters.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
FWIW, I measured the head sizes of three frames I have here using the formula (((L+W)/2)^2) x (pi/4) and here are the results:

YouTek Prestige Pro= 633.15cm2
TC97= 637.616cm2
Wilson 95S (2014)= 626.48

Anyone wanna do me a solid and measure their TC95 in cm2?
The equation does not account for various curvatures, which do not follow a set pattern.
 

JuliusWinto

Rookie
Will TC97 grommets fit a Vantage 95? I hear the 97 grommets are the exact same for the TC95 16X19, and figure the same is true for Vantage, but just wanted to confirm for future reference.
 

topspn

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Will TC97 grommets fit a Vantage 95? I hear the 97 grommets are the exact same for the TC95 16X19, and figure the same is true for Vantage, but just wanted to confirm for future reference.
Perhaps I’m not really understanding the point of your question but TC95 grommets are available for purchase on Angell site.
 

JuliusWinto

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Perhaps I’m not really understanding the point of your question but TC95 grommets are available for purchase on Angell site.
Well, I already own a set of 97 grommets. Just wondering if they will fit a Vantage 95. I can always find out the hard way.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Unfortunately I only know some shops in Europe that are selling Völkl S pallets. TW Europe among others. You might ask them to deliver to the US.
I've purchased head pallets from TWE and had them shipped to the US. No biggie.
Just make sure you get the correct Volkl pallet as there are a bunch of different ones.
 

Gee

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I've purchased head pallets from TWE and had them shipped to the US. No biggie.
Just make sure you get the correct Volkl pallet as there are a bunch of different ones.
Yes. Be aware of the different buttcaps. I only would order the grip pallets and use the original buttcap of your racket.
 

Username_

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My TC95 is coming!!! Celebration's await! :D

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Does anyone use gut/poly in a TC95 63RA? Most of what I've read on forums is a full bed poly and only a few people have tried gut/poly.

I'm curious about how it feels in this extremely comfortable, flexy frame as opposed to having a full bed of poly in the 63RA.
Any thoughts?
 

jhusein

Rookie
If any one is planning on changing the Pallets on a TC97, Please take pics/video and share with us. Paul responded and I will receive 3 pallets (L4 and opted for C). Thanks.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
If any one is planning on changing the Pallets on a TC97, Please take pics/video and share with us. Paul responded and I will receive 3 pallets (L4 and opted for C). Thanks.
It's really not that difficult. You just need to have a few supplies on hand before you begin.
I guess the biggest decision you want to make is how you're going to secure the pallet to the hairpin once it's on.
I use a bead of silicone or just reuse the tape that is left over if there's enough.
You also need to figure out how you want to secure the buttcap. Again, I use a bead of silicone with some 1" wide electrical tape on the buttcap and pallet. Never fails and it never squeaks.
You'll also need to have on hand some double sided tape (I recommend 3M 444) as the leather grips that Angell uses are pretty much one time use. Once you take the grip off the tape backing is not sticky anymore so you may want to add some double sided tape to the pallet just to secure the grip again.
Finally, you want to have on hand a scale and balance board. Take measurements as you disassemble and reassemble in order to get as close to your original specs as possible.
One thing you may want to do right off the bat once you take apart your racquet is weigh out the original pallets. Cut the new ones to length and weigh those to see what the difference is.
You'll need a heat gun, narrow screw driver. The pallets are secured in the middle with a staple so you'll have to dig those out as well.
Good luck.
 

jhusein

Rookie
It's really not that difficult. You just need to have a few supplies on hand before you begin.
I guess the biggest decision you want to make is how you're going to secure the pallet to the hairpin once it's on.
I use a bead of silicone or just reuse the tape that is left over if there's enough.
You also need to figure out how you want to secure the buttcap. Again, I use a bead of silicone with some 1" wide electrical tape on the buttcap and pallet. Never fails and it never squeaks.
You'll also need to have on hand some double sided tape (I recommend 3M 444) as the leather grips that Angell uses are pretty much one time use. Once you take the grip off the tape backing is not sticky anymore so you may want to add some double sided tape to the pallet just to secure the grip again.
Finally, you want to have on hand a scale and balance board. Take measurements as you disassemble and reassemble in order to get as close to your original specs as possible.
One thing you may want to do right off the bat once you take apart your racquet is weigh out the original pallets. Cut the new ones to length and weigh those to see what the difference is.
You'll need a heat gun, narrow screw driver. The pallets are secured in the middle with a staple so you'll have to dig those out as well.
Good luck.
Thanks. I guess I will experiment removing and reinstalling a pallet on one of the old rackets I have b4 doing the T97.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Probably not a bad idea. But being prepared to do the work is probably more important. If you have the materials on hand, you'll find that it's pretty straightforward.
The Angell pallets aren't as firmly stuck to the racquet as Head pallets are. So you can probably pry them off by hand. Just go slow, hit the hairpin with some heat to loosen up the tape glue and pull slowly. Remove the staple in the middle first though.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Thanks. I guess I will experiment removing and reinstalling a pallet on one of the old rackets I have b4 doing the T97.
Forgot to mention the part about trimming the pallet themselves. I used a dremel tool but others have used a bread knife or some sort of tool with a fine serrated edge. Don't use a straight blade as it just doesn't work so well. A dab of machine oil helps with dust and keeps the blade moving pretty good.
 

jhusein

Rookie
Forgot to mention the part about trimming the pallet themselves. I used a dremel tool but others have used a bread knife or some sort of tool with a fine serrated edge. Don't use a straight blade as it just doesn't work so well. A dab of machine oil helps with dust and keeps the blade moving pretty good.
Thanks. I should be receiving the pallets sometime next week.
 

supineAnimation

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Can anyone compare the first YouTek Prestige Pro (no IG) to the TC95 and TC97, ignoring the small difference in head size, in regards to both frame shape and flex?

I know the TC97 is a box and the 95 is a D box, and that the 97 has more flex in the hoop and the 95 more in the throat, but If anyone has experience with all three and compare them would appreciate it.
 

Surion

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Hi,

I hope someone can give me some good advice.

I am finally thinking to get an Angell to see how it feels, but I don't know if the 95 or the 97 is a better fit.

Right now I am using a 97, but I've played a PS90 in the past, so the headsize shoulnd't be a problem.

As far as I understood this thread, the main difference (besides the unstrung RA) is how the racket flexes at impact.

Is that correct?
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
Hi,

I hope someone can give me some good advice.

I am finally thinking to get an Angell to see how it feels, but I don't know if the 95 or the 97 is a better fit.

Right now I am using a 97, but I've played a PS90 in the past, so the headsize shoulnd't be a problem.

As far as I understood this thread, the main difference (beside the unstrung RA) is how the racket flexes at impact.

Is that correct?
That seems to be the general consensus. The head size of the TC95 means very little anyhow considering how forgiving the huge sweetspot is.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Really thinking about grabbing a 100 at some point. I have some spare change and love the concept. I'd probably go with 345 grams strung/og 330 SW, 5-6 pts HL 63 RA. What I want is something similar to my Tecnifibre 315 ltd, but easier to use like my Extreme Pro. Am I choosing the right frame?

I ask because I read how huge the sweetspot of the 95 is. I love the control of the tec 315 which is actually a 97.

Also - does the 100 at 63 RA have the same feel as the 95? The dunlop 200 feel is so awesome to me. I'd love that in a 100.
 
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djNEiGht

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@JohnBPittsburgh - installed the B4 pallet last night

What I noticed is that the C5 pallet came off really easy. I didn't need to heat the pallet like I've done on Head racquets. There were three pieces of lead in the slot towards the end of the handle (one on one side and two on the other) and x2 pieces (appears to be half sized pieces). I weighed the different lead weights but forgot to document them.

I put x2 layer of double sided tape on the handle. I did x1 initially and the pallet was easily taken off. After I got the pallets on I put a staple though each pallet about half way up. The C5 butt cap was forgiving enough to fit the shape of the B pallet. It was a bit loose so I put a very thin piece of carboard and it allowed the butt cap to slip on and stay snug. I added a little bit of cloth/athletic tape to help taper the size differential from the C5 cap to the B4 pallet.

Plan on hitting with it tomorrow.

cheers
 

topspn

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Hi,

I hope someone can give me some good advice.

I am finally thinking to get an Angell to see how it feels, but I don't know if the 95 or the 97 is a better fit.

Right now I am using a 97, but I've played a PS90 in the past, so the headsize shoulnd't be a problem.

As far as I understood this thread, the main difference (besides the unstrung RA) is how the racket flexes at impact.

Is that correct?
No, in addition the precision level and control of the TC95 is noticeably better.
 

Surion

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No, in addition the precision level and control of the TC95 is noticeably better.
Thank you.
So you own both rackets and could compare them?

Then I'll probably try the TC95 63 RA.
I'm afraid the 70 RA will be too stiff for my golfer arm.
 

topspn

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Thank you.
So you own both rackets and could compare them?

Then I'll probably try the TC95 63 RA.
I'm afraid the 70 RA will be too stiff for my golfer arm.
I used to own the TC97 and played with it for maybe 5 weeks next to the TC95 and I chose 95 for that reason. The 70RA strung is really 63/64 and very comfortable. I have a sensitive elbow and my elbow is loving it. The 63RA is really 58RA strung. Angell published RAs are measurements before the handle is put on.
 

Surion

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I used to own the TC97 and played with it for maybe 5 weeks next to the TC95 and I chose 95 for that reason. The 70RA strung is really 63/64 and very comfortable. I have a sensitive elbow and my elbow is loving it. The 63RA is really 58RA strung. Angell published RAs are measurements before the handle is put on.
Thank you.
I know that, but my elbow doesn't even like my PS90 strung with Gut/Poly, whereas the PS97S is fine with the same setup.
Strange though.

Still don't know if 63 or 70...
That's why I'm intrigued by the 66 (strung 62/63) of the 97.
 

supineAnimation

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Thank you.
I know that, but my elbow doesn't even like my PS90 strung with Gut/Poly, whereas the PS97S is fine with the same setup.
Strange though.

Still don't know if 63 or 70...
That's why I'm intrigued by the 66 (strung 62/63) of the 97.
I'm in the exact same boat. I can't decide between the two. There are virtually an equal number of reasons why I would lean one way or the other and I can't decide. The shape, RA and head size of the TC97 are closest to my current frame, but some seem to feel the even flex of the TC95, as opposed to the stiffer throat and more flexible hoop, would be closer to what I'm used to with the YTPP/ And the 63RA may be a good preventative move for my recent TE symptoms. If I wasn't so cheap I wouldn't be fretting over the decision so much, but alas, I am.
 
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