Yes I was talking about the width of the hoop. Narrow for a 100.
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Yes I was talking about the width of the hoop. Narrow for a 100.
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Legend
interesting... yeah i always try to do my gear shifts in the winter months... my main hitting partner just got a new stick... ive been really hitting him off the court with the tc95. I wonder if he got a tc97? Im currently travelling and was just happy to find a backboard atm... doing some Thiem like training in the woods too.
try making it a tad more headlite
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BHBH; been on vacation for about 3 weeks. Did you ever do that video review of the TC100?
You're right about that. Angell racquet heads are narrow and long.
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joohan
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Tension?
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57.5lbs nat gut mains / 53lbs poly crosses with some lead at 12 and the sides
you reckon there are any downsides to going a lighter weight on a tc90? Most small heads around or at the 90sqin size are 330grams or heavier
Might get the tc90 but afraid the 320g (10pts HL) might get pushed around or lack power
I know you mentioned earlier to get the 330g and not be afraid of it being too heavy as long as I opt for the 12pts HL option (planning to add some weight at 12 too if i end up getting it, which is probably why i'm still paranoid)
EDIT: I should probably add that all the racquets ive ever used have been around 320g or less unstrung including lead tape weight (excluding overgrip and dampener) . My TC95 is at 325g unstrung including lead mods. My point is the 320gram range is around the highest weight I think I can handle but the TC95 was easier to swing than expected hence the extra weight
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Legend
Excellent, yeah it takes some adjustments. The right sting combo plus I believe one has to take some time to adjust... Im definitely swinging more relaxed with this stick. Im smoothing out with the TC95.
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joohan
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57.5lbs nat gut mains / 53lbs poly crosses with some lead at 12 and the sides
you reckon there are any downsides to going a lighter weight on a tc90? Most small heads around or at the 90sqin size are 330grams or heavier
Might get the tc90 but afraid the 320g (10pts HL) might get pushed around or lack power
I know you mentioned earlier to get the 330g and not be afraid of it being too heavy as long as I opt for the 12pts HL option (planning to add some weight at 12 too if i end up getting it, which is probably why i'm still paranoid)
EDIT: I should probably add that all the racquets ive ever used have been around 320g or less unstrung including lead tape weight (excluding overgrip and dampener) . My TC95 is at 325g unstrung including lead mods. My point is the 320gram range is around the highest weight I think I can handle but the TC95 was easier to swing than expected hence the extra weight
Thanks for the tension, I'll try it in my second TC95.
Re.TC90: My TC90 330/305 is a lot easier to swing that my 320/315 TC95. That being said, I seriously doubt that 320 version of the TC90 would be found wanting against pace. I've recently played against a big hitter(think DelPotro in 5.0 version) and the TC90 handled his power with ease and since the 10g weight difference occurs in handle, the 320 version should be equally good as far as torsional stability is concerned.
Hitting the sweet spot time and again against pace and power will be your main concern, not the 10g difference .)
808
Professional
^^
My TC 90 is only 310g, but slightly extended (27.25"). In the 4 hours I hit with it so far against various guys – including my coach, who can hit pretty darn hard – I didn't feel like getting pushed around at all. Timing is key, though.
The unstrung swing weight is 305 btw, according to Paul.
My TC 90 is only 310g, but slightly extended (27.25"). In the 4 hours I hit with it so far against various guys – including my coach, who can hit pretty darn hard – I didn't feel like getting pushed around at all. Timing is key, though.
The unstrung swing weight is 305 btw, according to Paul.
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Legend
i have very minor amounts of lead at 3 &9 and even less at 12... the rest of my 12.7oz tc95 is in the handle
nothing pushes it around and feels as solid as my 13oz IG Prestige MP
nothing pushes it around and feels as solid as my 13oz IG Prestige MP
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The lead placement was eqully important when it came to making a difference for me in terms of controlinging the ball with the hybrid.
I've got approx. 24cm of lead tape at 3&9 (four 1/4" single layered strips) to reduce the dwell time to control it more (~2.4 grams)
Also got two 15cm 1/4" strips places at the tip of the racquet (~approx. 3 grams)
I'm pointing this out because I believe you like the increased dwell time and have differing lead modifications...thus you might need to go higher tensions as I'm afraid my tension as a reference may be too low
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Legend
I eventually found a backboard to hit against. Somebody had put a 12 foot wall in the corner of some high school courts and there was a small target. The TC 95 definitely helpedme generate pace off of the wall (it would absorb a lot of pace but also kind of tilted it up so basically it would lob everything back at me).
with my Pacific X feel Pro I could rally a lot of balls over and over again at myself but with the TC 95 I could actually generate some pace and actually have some pace hit back at me.
The session really underscored just how different they are. the Pacific is super super super accurate the tc95 has a lot of accuracy but it's derived more from its use of spin.... the xpf 95 simply was all about taking huge cuts or being content to rally a lot of balls.
basically the tc95 is more about closing points out or reseting back to neutral... whearas the xpf95 is all about having a plan and executing perfectly... the second you are off plan you are in trouble.
with my Pacific X feel Pro I could rally a lot of balls over and over again at myself but with the TC 95 I could actually generate some pace and actually have some pace hit back at me.
The session really underscored just how different they are. the Pacific is super super super accurate the tc95 has a lot of accuracy but it's derived more from its use of spin.... the xpf 95 simply was all about taking huge cuts or being content to rally a lot of balls.
basically the tc95 is more about closing points out or reseting back to neutral... whearas the xpf95 is all about having a plan and executing perfectly... the second you are off plan you are in trouble.
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1990's Graphite
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Search for finishing rings on big auction sights. Pros pro brand are good
I always take those off. I'm happier with the black tape at the top of the grip. It just seems like dead weight to me. I'd rather take that weight and put it somewhere where i think a bat needs it.
And why do you need one exactly? I use Tournagrip and the red tape that comes with it does an excellent job of securing the grip. Finishing collars just add weight (unless that is what you are trying to do?)
Looking for some insight. Just switched two weeks ago to a TC 97 @ 310g 9pts HL with some added lead coming in right under 13oz strung with Diadem Solstice Pro at 54lbs. I switched to this racquet because I was having minor arm problems and had a chance to hit with this racquet and read such great things about it's arm-friendliness. Now my arm problems are much worse. Not sure if it's the string (first time I'm using it) or what. Any feedback would be appreciated.
JJam2112
Rookie
I would stray away from a poly if you have arm issues. I have shoulder issues and even with the foam filled TC97 I could not handle poly. Try a crisp multi and should help. Yonex Super 850 pro or X-One Biphase. Or do a hybrid set up but not a full bed
topspn
G.O.A.T.
Wow..I thought the TC97 was ultra comfortable in full poly and I have a pretty sensitive elbow after a very bad case of tennis elbow. Try hyper-g and if you still have pain then switch to multi. I honestly can't think of a more arm friendly frame or string
ollinger
G.O.A.T.
Tennis is not an arm friendly sport and some arm problems will only benefit from laying off the sport for a time; people are a little overinvested in the idea that simply switching to a different piece of equipment will cure all ills.
I have the same racquet except its a little extended 27.25" and I can play babolats all day and no issues but with TC97 my elbow acts up a little. I just play so much better with TC97 that for now Im still using it
Also full poly.First hitting session was really uncomfortable but maybe as the tension dropped and I got used to hitting the extended length cleaner the agitation in my elbow seems quite minimal now (compared to the 1st hitting session). Im okay playing 3 hours x 4-5 times a week with a slight discomfort in the elbow as long as it doesn't get any worse.
When I had TE, I couldn't play with ANY racquet. Just picking one up made me wince with pain. I never use poly strings and always lower the tension a bit. The downside is that I can't get the topspin I used to, but the upside is I'm managing to play (with a sensitive elbow) although I've adapted my shots and hit much flatter now.
BTW I've just ordered up a TC97 330/310 so I'll give some feedback in a week or so, comparing to my Volkl sticks and old Yonex RDS002 Tour (which is a hefty beast!).
BTW I've just ordered up a TC97 330/310 so I'll give some feedback in a week or so, comparing to my Volkl sticks and old Yonex RDS002 Tour (which is a hefty beast!).
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Lay off tennis for a while if its getting worse. I had shoulder problems and was in the same situation as you after reading these posts about arm friendliness of Angells. Bought the most comfy of them (TC95 63RA) but it made it worse. My problem was due to overuse and playing too often got the better of me. Perhaps its that.
Could be that you're not finding the racquet as stable as you think which is giving you arm pain.
I have to lead up my Angell TC95 at 3 and 9 as i was getting mild forearm pain even after my arm wasn't so bad. The shoulder however, never felt better after switching. I can swing out on the serve much more often without worrying.
If your elbow is bad, rest it until its better. If it's irritable but doesn't affect other things you do, or stay sore for a long time after tennis, you may be able to play if you make some changes. Assuming that's the case my thought is that your racquet will have a high swingweight with lead added. Whereas SW can be good, it can also add to the strain if it is too high. Try the racquet stock, lower the tension on your strings (especially with poly - not above 48), and consciously reduce your grip tightness. See how that is. Now read my first sentence again.
Agree. It's easy to overdo things (as I well know). Rest is best if it gets to that stage.
The technical answer is to put weight as close to the balance point as possible. However, that's easier said than done so the alternative depends on how flexible you are. If you are adding 10g then adding lead under the grip and close to the top of the handle will have the same effect as if Angell had added a 10g weight there: it will make the racquet a little more HL, but increase static weight. 20g is more likely to require you to add weight above and below the balance point, most obviously in the hoop or throat, and in the handle. That will increase swing weight and may not suit you too much, so i'd be wary. Use the tool attached and see what you can do:
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customization.php
Ft.S
Semi-Pro
I would highly recommend trying a full bed of Halo strings. Less power than Solstice, but much smoother, and very easy on the arm, wrist and shoulder. I combine it with nat gut in the mains to add power, the combination is the smoothest I have tried thus far although nat gut makes it slightly stiffer as I am using higher tension.
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
I ordered my frames on a Thursday afternoon and they arrived on a Monday. Pretty good from the UK, huh? More to follow as I take to the court with my TC 95 RA 63 in hand. I will say I hit today with the #1 player on the local DI team and really enjoyed the TF 315 LTD. But the Angell..........oh, the Angell! BHBH
More to follow as I take to the court with my TC 95 RA 63 in hand. I will say I hit today with the #1 player on the local DI team and really enjoyed the TF 315 LTD. But the Angell..........oh, the Angell! BHBHLook forward to hearing about your experience. Think I asked this earlier, but was on vacation the past 3 weeks and wondered if you had ever got around to that video review on the TC100.I ordered my frames on a Thursday afternoon and they arrived on a Monday. Pretty good from the UK, huh?
FedBeckRas
Rookie
What are the specs on your TC95 63RA?I ordered my frames on a Thursday afternoon and they arrived on a Monday. Pretty good from the UK, huh?
AMGF
Hall of Fame
I do the same. I only leave them there if they don't mess with my final expected specs.
Geoff
Hall of Fame
@BounceHitBounceHit has a TC95 and TC97 in hand to hit the courts in the am set up to his specs and of course sporting the Angell stencil. One more of each of the same to finish setting up. Also forgot to mention he will be sporting the matching Angell racquet bag as well.I ordered my frames on a Thursday afternoon and they arrived on a Monday. Pretty good from the UK, huh?
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Legend
The stick is a beast... but it encourages smart very current tennisI ordered my frames on a Thursday afternoon and they arrived on a Monday. Pretty good from the UK, huh?
LIkewise - i very much enjoy my Tec 315 Ltd, but it's not seen a lot of action since the TC97 arrived. It still has a lot to offer though (and it oozes quality) so i've kept it. Looking forward to your review of the TC100 63RA. Would be great to get a comparison with the TC97 and perhaps even the Tec? Maybe too much to ask so ignore this as you see fit - no offence will be taken.
Pleb123
Semi-Pro
I'd also be keen to hear BHBH make a detailed comparison. I am loving the TFight 315 Ltd 16M and previously BHBH said it is softer than the TC95 and less powerful. The TFight does not feel noodly and has ample put away power but I am left wondering how much more power does the the TC95 have? Are control and spin similar? Manoeuvrability (lighter SW on the Ltd maybe helps it here but higher SW for the TC95 gives it greater power)? And how much firmer is the feel of the TC95? Also, from what I have read on this forum the TFight flexes in a similar way to the TC95 i.e. solid in the hoop and flexy in the throat. If the TC95 is like a TFight 315 Ltd on steroids and with equal or better control, my bank balance is really going to suffer.
Then there is the TC97 18x20 to consider... I wish Angell was still offering the multi racquet discount. It seemed to vanish from my saved basket on the Angell site about the time that the pound started falling.
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Indeed - unfortunately i already know a couple of people who were going to place an order but have now backed off as the 10% discount has been removed. A real pity as i wonder if Angell will end up losing out as a result.
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
Not yet, but if @Geiff is game this weekend look for more video action!i think @topspin offered the loan of a TC 100 70 RA for review? Maybe we can get it here in time for the Sunday review date?
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
I play all of my frames at the same specifications: 343 g/32.5 cm balance/335 swing weight.
@Pleb123 - it is clear from your avatar picture that when in your trophy position you are letting your left arm drop too early. You should also clear the court of skeletons, must be distracting.
SpinToWin
Talk Tennis Guru
Market forces at work I'd say.
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
All superbly customized by guess who?
Ah! The myth of the market as having a life separate from the actors within it. But i agree - Mr A may feel he no longer needs to offer the discount. But buyers may be put off.
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
Against my opponent yesterday anything less than smart current tennis is swiftly and severely punished!
BounceHitBounceHit
Legend
That's not too much to ask at all! In many ways, it is the very point of our video review series. I shall take to the court shortly, and offer my insights and comparisons concerning these frames. The TF315 Limited is one of the best frames I've ever touched
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