The official grieving thread for fans of Novak Djokovic

maruzo

Semi-Pro
Sorry i'm sure whatever i have to say is already being said. But I worked late and had no time to review this entire thread.

If you've watched the entire match, you've found that towards the end, the game was evenly matched.

The game really could have gone either way.

But the one defining moment is that during crucial points, Djokovic took the offensive and dictated play. While Nadal was content to stay back and put the ball back in play. Chasing down every shot and wait for Djokovic's barrage of massive forehands to hopefully error out.

It's the one strategy that he kept going back to during crucial moments of the game.

He will not fight with you directly. He will only tire you out, wait for you to make the error, or go in for the attack when you've had a brief relapse of energy.

It's a sound strategy, but I must insist, it's boring as hell and disrepectful as hell.

I rather watch two players go at each other and let the better player with the better shot/ better technique win the game.

Every time I watch Nadal play a very close match that he barely wins, I always felt the other player got cheated out of his victory.

Sure Nadal can turn defense to offensive in a hurry. But most of the time he just weathers the storm with slices or barely runs down the shot, while the other player makes the UE with an out of position overhead or FH/ BH.

It's sad really.

Djokovic gave it his all and he was actually the better player at the end. Dictating play, making all the right moves.

His emotion at the better of him, at that last game. Those 2 missed forehands were hit with much anger and frustration. Not because he felt he was beaten by the better player. But because the worst player kept putting his killer shots back in play.

If Djokovic could just hold on to his feelings a little longer, kept them in check, he could've easily finished the game. Because again, he was just dictating the rally and dominating the play.

Nadal was very calm and focused, however. That's why he was able to put all those incredible shots back into the courts.

Djokovic almost seemed incredulous when Nadal put back that lob with a tweener. That was a bad miss. He gave quite a few of those toward the end of the 5th set. That's why he lost, IMHO.

If being better means I have to utilize Nadal's strategy during crucial points in every single match?

I rather not.

I rather play like Federer or Djokovic.

They have the game and at the very least, the courtesy and guts to play their opponents head on. Instead of these shrewd tactics that Nadal employs time and again.
 

Goosehead

Legend
On this day, June 6th Rafa Nadal defeats Novak Djokovic on the occasion of men's semis 6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7, 9-7 at Roland Garros

Let this be the official grieving thread for Novak fans for his heart breaking losses in Grand slams.

Well done my champ. You showed us today you can fight till death!

I'm sooooooooooo heart broken guys!

PS: Please don't bump this thread for losses in mickey mouse tournaments!

On this day, June 7th you mean :neutral:..not June 6th, and fear not about djokovic, he wins RG some time.
 

Djokodal Fan

Hall of Fame
sobbing ..... still sobbing

He had it in his racquet in the 5th set and let it slip!

Gosh....that should hurt Novak!!!!
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I don't think this is a depressing loss in the end. He was very close (like Rafa was at AO 2012). It will give him belief that if another opportunity comes up, he can do it.
 

nippurr

New User
It is all about your emotions and your virtual relations with images in your head. You feel bad about yourself and your broken fantasies, not about some Eastern European multi-millionaire losing 4 tennis points to some Western European multi-millionaire.

They will be fine. And then they will die, and things will go on as usual.

Take a lesson from them and go take care of your own life. Get better at what you do. Beat your real competition. At the end of the day, "N.", "F.", "D." are just words and faces of people very distant from you, one of them is always going to write his name in the history book no matter what; the book does not get upset, so you probably should not either.

My favorite TT comment of all time. (So far~GiGGle~) Many here would do well to study it in depth.
 

Spider

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is getting closer. And unfortunately for him, he cannot fluke it out like Federer did in 2009. He will have to do it himself.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

Guest
Novak has earned lots of respect from Fed fans, including me, for the way he fights, mental tenacity, etc.,

Not only it is a vested interest to protect Fed's records, but more importantly Novak has a nice game and he is an all court player like Federer and has been knocking on the doors for so long. He will get at least one FO. As he ages, i think he will win more clay than hard.

It is heartbreaking that he is losing another 5 setter after the USO loss last year, but console yourself looking at the future. He will get close to 10 majors.

Not convinced... Nadal might shut him out for the duration of his prime.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

Guest
Sorry i'm sure whatever i have to say is already being said. But I worked late and had no time to review this entire thread.

If you've watched the entire match, you've found that towards the end, the game was evenly matched.

The game really could have gone either way.

But the one defining moment is that during crucial points, Djokovic took the offensive and dictated play. While Nadal was content to stay back and put the ball back in play. Chasing down every shot and wait for Djokovic's barrage of massive forehands to hopefully error out.

It's the one strategy that he kept going back to during crucial moments of the game.

He will not fight with you directly. He will only tire you out, wait for you to make the error, or go in for the attack when you've had a brief relapse of energy.

It's a sound strategy, but I must insist, it's boring as hell and disrepectful as hell.

I rather watch two players go at each other and let the better player with the better shot/ better technique win the game.

Every time I watch Nadal play a very close match that he barely wins, I always felt the other player got cheated out of his victory.

Sure Nadal can turn defense to offensive in a hurry. But most of the time he just weathers the storm with slices or barely runs down the shot, while the other player makes the UE with an out of position overhead or FH/ BH.

It's sad really.

Djokovic gave it his all and he was actually the better player at the end. Dictating play, making all the right moves.

His emotion at the better of him, at that last game. Those 2 missed forehands were hit with much anger and frustration. Not because he felt he was beaten by the better player. But because the worst player kept putting his killer shots back in play.

If Djokovic could just hold on to his feelings a little longer, kept them in check, he could've easily finished the game. Because again, he was just dictating the rally and dominating the play.

Nadal was very calm and focused, however. That's why he was able to put all those incredible shots back into the courts.

Djokovic almost seemed incredulous when Nadal put back that lob with a tweener. That was a bad miss. He gave quite a few of those toward the end of the 5th set. That's why he lost, IMHO.

If being better means I have to utilize Nadal's strategy during crucial points in every single match?

I rather not.

I rather play like Federer or Djokovic.

They have the game and at the very least, the courtesy and guts to play their opponents head on. Instead of these shrewd tactics that Nadal employs time and again.

In other words, Federer and to a degree Djokovic try to put their best game up against your best game and see who wins, where as Nadal tries to undermine one's best game and restricts them and brings your level down.
 
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Nathaniel_Near

Guest
In other words, Federer and to a degree Djokovic try to put their best game up against your best game and see who wins, where as Nadal tries to undermine one's best game, restricts them and brings their level down.
His massive top spin strokes allow him to do this and it forms a cosy strategic blanket, a little bubble of safety.

Was supposed to be one post but the forum loading times were screwing me over in a big way.
 

pds999

Hall of Fame
Sorry i'm sure whatever i have to say is already being said. But I worked late and had no time to review this entire thread.

If you've watched the entire match, you've found that towards the end, the game was evenly matched.

The game really could have gone either way.

But the one defining moment is that during crucial points, Djokovic took the offensive and dictated play. While Nadal was content to stay back and put the ball back in play. Chasing down every shot and wait for Djokovic's barrage of massive forehands to hopefully error out.

It's the one strategy that he kept going back to during crucial moments of the game.

He will not fight with you directly. He will only tire you out, wait for you to make the error, or go in for the attack when you've had a brief relapse of energy.

It's a sound strategy, but I must insist, it's boring as hell and disrepectful as hell.

I rather watch two players go at each other and let the better player with the better shot/ better technique win the game.

Every time I watch Nadal play a very close match that he barely wins, I always felt the other player got cheated out of his victory.

Sure Nadal can turn defense to offensive in a hurry. But most of the time he just weathers the storm with slices or barely runs down the shot, while the other player makes the UE with an out of position overhead or FH/ BH.

It's sad really.

Djokovic gave it his all and he was actually the better player at the end. Dictating play, making all the right moves.

His emotion at the better of him, at that last game. Those 2 missed forehands were hit with much anger and frustration. Not because he felt he was beaten by the better player. But because the worst player kept putting his killer shots back in play.

If Djokovic could just hold on to his feelings a little longer, kept them in check, he could've easily finished the game. Because again, he was just dictating the rally and dominating the play.

Nadal was very calm and focused, however. That's why he was able to put all those incredible shots back into the courts.

Djokovic almost seemed incredulous when Nadal put back that lob with a tweener. That was a bad miss. He gave quite a few of those toward the end of the 5th set. That's why he lost, IMHO.

If being better means I have to utilize Nadal's strategy during crucial points in every single match?

I rather not.

I rather play like Federer or Djokovic.

They have the game and at the very least, the courtesy and guts to play their opponents head on. Instead of these shrewd tactics that Nadal employs time and again.

Not having this at all. You speak like Rafa was just retrieving the whole time? He hit 50+ winners and blew Djokovic off the court at times with the variety of winners off both sides, especially later in the 5th set. Djokovic did keep trying to dominate yes but so did Rafa; it was a very attacking game from him and he didn't play the way you suggested. He does sometimes I agree, but not in that match towards the end.
 

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
i found it hard to understand how come Novak just disappeared for a game or two in the 5th, handing Nadal the match.
a weird lapse of apathy. i was so disappointed.
 

bilboa

Rookie
i found it hard to understand how come Novak just disappeared for a game or two in the 5th, handing Nadal the match.
a weird lapse of apathy. i was so disappointed.

seriously.... these periodic mental lapses at critical points in matches are becoming a trademark of his now. He keeps losing to himself...

fyi... when he started talking to the umpire after the net-touch in 5th set, being ****ed of at crowd, then complaining about the court watering, ... I knew it was over... Nadal didn't play any better its just that his level dropped drastically.

He should seriously consider getting some coaching on this.
 

Topspin_80

Hall of Fame
Sorry i'm sure whatever i have to say is already being said. But I worked late and had no time to review this entire thread.

If you've watched the entire match, you've found that towards the end, the game was evenly matched.

The game really could have gone either way.

But the one defining moment is that during crucial points, Djokovic took the offensive and dictated play. While Nadal was content to stay back and put the ball back in play. Chasing down every shot and wait for Djokovic's barrage of massive forehands to hopefully error out.

It's the one strategy that he kept going back to during crucial moments of the game.

He will not fight with you directly. He will only tire you out, wait for you to make the error, or go in for the attack when you've had a brief relapse of energy.

It's a sound strategy, but I must insist, it's boring as hell and disrepectful as hell.

I rather watch two players go at each other and let the better player with the better shot/ better technique win the game.

Every time I watch Nadal play a very close match that he barely wins, I always felt the other player got cheated out of his victory.

Sure Nadal can turn defense to offensive in a hurry. But most of the time he just weathers the storm with slices or barely runs down the shot, while the other player makes the UE with an out of position overhead or FH/ BH.

It's sad really.

Djokovic gave it his all and he was actually the better player at the end. Dictating play, making all the right moves.

His emotion at the better of him, at that last game. Those 2 missed forehands were hit with much anger and frustration. Not because he felt he was beaten by the better player. But because the worst player kept putting his killer shots back in play.

If Djokovic could just hold on to his feelings a little longer, kept them in check, he could've easily finished the game. Because again, he was just dictating the rally and dominating the play.

Nadal was very calm and focused, however. That's why he was able to put all those incredible shots back into the courts.

Djokovic almost seemed incredulous when Nadal put back that lob with a tweener. That was a bad miss. He gave quite a few of those toward the end of the 5th set. That's why he lost, IMHO.

If being better means I have to utilize Nadal's strategy during crucial points in every single match?

I rather not.

I rather play like Federer or Djokovic.

They have the game and at the very least, the courtesy and guts to play their opponents head on. Instead of these shrewd tactics that Nadal employs time and again.

I don't know what match you watched .

Nadal hit 61 winners
Djokovic hit 54 winners


You shouldn't waste so much time posting garbage .
 
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Nathaniel_Near

Guest
Not all about winners. So many of these top guys hit more winners than del Potro in matches they play against him because he's simply much easier to outmanoeuvre, but it doesn't mean they were playing with the same level of aggression.

Djokovic got torn asunder in that semi-final match. Left, right, up, down, whatever, Nadal made Djokovic feel off balance for almost the entire match. It's staggering that Nole even won two sets. Nadal should have won the match in 4. The ferocity of Nadal's stroke style on clay gave Nadal way more chances to hit winners, even though Djokovic played with the more consistently aggressive intent, especially on the return. It's simply harder to hit winners against Nadal on clay than it is Djokovic. Also if you look at the UEs for that match as well, Nole's differential is way in the negative, meaning he was really pushing and trying to play outside of himself just to stay in the match, where as Nadal was in control and had a very ideal and effective balance of aggression.
 
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maxrenn

Legend
Not all about winners. So many of these top guys hit more winners than del Potro in matches they play against him because he's simply much easier to outmanoeuvre, but it doesn't mean they were playing with the same level of aggression.

Djokovic got torn asunder in that semi-final match. Left, right, up, down, whatever, Nadal made Djokovic feel off balance for almost the entire match. It's staggering that Nole even won two sets. Nadal should have won the match in 4. The ferocity of Nadal's stroke style on clay gave Nadal way more chances to hit winners, even though Djokovic played with the more consistently aggressive intent, especially on the return. It's simply harder to hit winners against Nadal on clay than it is Djokovic. Also if you look at the UEs for that match as well, Nole's differential is way in the negative, meaning he was really pushing and trying to play outside of himself just to stay in the match, where as Nadal was in control and had a very ideal and effective balance of aggression.

This is the most accurate assessment of the match that I have read in this thread. Remember Nadal served for the match in the 4th and he fluffed it and went away for the next few games which led to the early break in the 5th. If Nadal was 'match tough' (this was his first GS for 1 year) he wouldn't have dropped serve and there would have not been that 5th set. I believe if Nadal stays fit and has more good results for the year then next time they meet on Phillipe Chatrier he will win in 3 or 4 sets with conviction.
 

Djokodal Fan

Hall of Fame
edited the first post.

I'm sobbing as a Novak fan today but it was not as heartbreaking as it was to watch FO semis.
Feel sad for Djoker today....but Andy was better player throughout.

Keep your hopes alive Djoker.... we will be with you!!
 

steenkash

Hall of Fame
edited the first post.

I'm sobbing as a Novak fan today but it was not as heartbreaking as it was to watch FO semis.
Feel sad for Djoker today....but Andy was better player throughout.

Keep your hopes alive Djoker.... we will be with you!!

Do you think that is it for Novaks reign? Can he still win US Open.
 

steenkash

Hall of Fame
Novak needs to bring his intensity back, I don't know what happened to him today. I think he can compete with the likes of Nadal and Murray, he clawed back from 2 sets down when facing Nadal. So I am sure he can compete, I think today he was just beaten to the better man.
 

steenkash

Hall of Fame
I think Novak just needs a breather from now, Murray and Nadal had a break and look how good they become from it. Novak needs one too, he should miss a few tournaments upon the US open.
 

FreeBird

Legend
edited the first post.

I'm sobbing as a Novak fan today but it was not as heartbreaking as it was to watch FO semis.
Feel sad for Djoker today....but Andy was better player throughout.

Keep your hopes alive Djoker.... we will be with you!!

Djokovic should meet some psychiatrist. I am serious here.
 
It's over for the Joker. At some point endurance wins and Murray had the edge. I'm just happy the stranglehold of Fed and Nadal on the slams is over and other players can now win majors. Djokovic is a constant finalist but he has no stranglehold like Fed and Nadal on clay.
 
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Deleted member 77403

Guest
Considering Novak had a massive heartbreak at RG, to dust himself off and come roaring back, and make W final especially after that war with Del Potro, he did the best he could. Today Murray was simply better, and there is nothing wrong with that, it happens. Murray himself is world class calibre and probably the worst match up for Novak. Novak will be fine, he's not going anywhere yet.
 

lvuong

Rookie
I am sad for Djokovic. He is still a great athlete, but I feel like a place for him in the Hall of GOAT is no longer secured.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
It is all about your emotions and your virtual relations with images in your head. You feel bad about yourself and your broken fantasies, not about some Eastern European multi-millionaire losing 4 tennis points to some Western European multi-millionaire.

They will be fine. And then they will die, and things will go on as usual.

Take a lesson from them and go take care of your own life. Get better at what you do. Beat your real competition. At the end of the day, "N.", "F.", "D." are just words and faces of people very distant from you,
one of them is always going to write his name in the history book no matter what; the book does not get upset, so you probably should not either.

Very nice post.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
Not all about winners. So many of these top guys hit more winners than del Potro in matches they play against him because he's simply much easier to outmanoeuvre, but it doesn't mean they were playing with the same level of aggression.

Djokovic got torn asunder in that semi-final match. Left, right, up, down, whatever, Nadal made Djokovic feel off balance for almost the entire match. It's staggering that Nole even won two sets. Nadal should have won the match in 4. The ferocity of Nadal's stroke style on clay gave Nadal way more chances to hit winners, even though Djokovic played with the more consistently aggressive intent, especially on the return. It's simply harder to hit winners against Nadal on clay than it is Djokovic. Also if you look at the UEs for that match as well, Nole's differential is way in the negative, meaning he was really pushing and trying to play outside of himself just to stay in the match, where as Nadal was in control and had a very ideal and effective balance of aggression.

Great post.
 

TheTruth

G.O.A.T.
This is the most accurate assessment of the match that I have read in this thread. Remember Nadal served for the match in the 4th and he fluffed it and went away for the next few games which led to the early break in the 5th. If Nadal was 'match tough' (this was his first GS for 1 year) he wouldn't have dropped serve and there would have not been that 5th set. I believe if Nadal stays fit and has more good results for the year then next time they meet on Phillipe Chatrier he will win in 3 or 4 sets with conviction.

I think so, too.
 

bilboa

Rookie
He did it again...
1. Was up a break in 2nd and 3rd set and could not capitalize.
2. His first serve - atrocious today and his most vulnerable inconsistent part of game
3. Mental lapse..... nothing there to say
4. Backhand ues crept up today too

Feel bad...given how close actually the match was...it all came down to first serve imo
 

Cormorant

Professional
It's small consolation right now, but this is another great phase in the men's game with four major players all legitimately contending for the biggest titles. Djokovic kicked this all off in 2011 with his AO victory, laying the groundwork for a contest between a quartet of some of the most dominant players we've seen. And if the Serb wins the USO, he'll be sitting atop the pyramid for the third year running. It'll have sounded hollow to Novak when he said afterwards that you can't win all the time, but if you can outdo rivals like these more often than not, you have to find satisfaction in that superiority.
 

FreeBird

Legend
When Djokovic was protecting Federer from the devil Nadal..


Djokovic just winning once would be enough. If he beat Nadal doing it.....then he is a better CC than Federer.

Beating Nadal at RG should be as good as a RG title.

Sucks.....I am fan of Djokovic but not as much as Federer.

Still this match hurts way more than the Tsonga match. Federer was too old and Tsonga was burning.

Nadal was there for the taking....Djokovic just went away in the 3rd and the 5th set was ridiculous being up a break.....if only he broke at 4-1 :( :( :cry:

Ahaha.. To this..A typical sycophant ******* nothing more..Tells us the credibility of posters here..


I miss Nadal not so much Djokovic. Nadal tennis is entertaining, can't say that about Robot tennis.
 
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Deleted member 743561

Guest
On this day, June 7th Rafa Nadal defeats Novak Djokovic on the occasion of men's semis 6-4, 3-6, 6-1, 6-7, 9-7 at Roland Garros

Let this be the official grieving thread for Novak fans for his heart breaking losses in Grand slams.

Well done my champ. You showed us today you can fight till death!

Edited 7/7/2013:
On this day, July 7th Andy Murray defeats Novak Djokovic on the occasion of men's Finals 6-4,7-5,6-4 at Wimbledon

I'm sooooooooooo heart broken guys!

PS: Please don't bump this thread for losses in mickey mouse tournaments!

That's when the grief might be most acute, no?
 

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
When Djokovic was protecting Federer from the devil Nadal..




Ahaha.. To this..A typical sycophant ******* nothing more..Tells us the credibility of posters here..

Good find. I agree Djokovic was a saint and a blessing to tennis in 2011-13. Not since the Weak Era of 2014.
 
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