Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Pro_Tour_630, Nov 21, 2007.
PT630 with IG Prestige MP CAPs
Nice comparison. Which one do you use as your primary racquet?
I use the Pure Control 95 all the time, as it's much easier on the arm.
Oh, great. Now I have to demo this? :shock:
...hold on, is the PC95 an old frame? I just looked at the new Pure Controls, they are 16x20, 98", 62+ RA, 21mm+ beams. Hmm, I guess I'll stick with my PT280s, but still will demo the new Pure Controls at some point.
edit: I look into it further, I think the PC95 is already released in Europe and not yet in the US. The PC95 does have 18x20, 19mm, etc specs per Jay. Looks nice!
Isn't the PC95 just the current version of the PS LTD?
Finally replaced the grommets on my 15+ year used PT280!
During the process, after removing the battered grommets and polished up the frame...
Head Youtek Radical MP Grommets
Nice job with the new grommets! What did you use to polish up the racquet if you don't mind me asking?
Initially I just used it to get all the residue off from prior lead placements and head tape gunk build-up over the years. Then I realized it really cleaned up the dust too, leaving a nice glossy shine that I haven't seen this stick exhibit for years. My other two PTs will get this same treatment soon. I like these grommets as it makes it as headlight as possible, compared to the one I have with CAP grommets, which is slightly less forgiving; and I need as much mobility as I can get with this frame as I am not as quick as I was a decade ago!
^ Without grommets = 4/10; With the Radical grommets = 7/10.
Put the CAPs on and it will be 9/10
Just dag out my PT280 and played 2 sets, today. I already forgot what a great racquet this was! Precise, super solid and comfy on groundies, when I prep early. Serving is another story, though. Good pace but not much action on the ball. Shoulder started complaining by the end of it...
Mine is 346g, 6 HL, 333 SW.
The thinner the strings and the looser the tension for this PT280/630 makes this stick magical and a spin monster hehe.
The more I play with it the more I like it.
Love this racquet! If anyone is looking to get some off of their hands, my e-mail is in my profile.
I've just bought a PT 630 that seems to be in very good condition.
The seller say's it's 338 gr, seems to be in the stock specs?
In the rackets I had befor I alway's had silicon in the handle, I dont think the pro tour has any? would it benifit with silicon in the handle?
Also I guess there is no lead added either so, same question?
I also wonder if anyone know's if the pro's ( kuerten, muster, ...etc)that used pt 630 had silicon and lead added?
I know the pt57 usually has lead and silicon added but it starts much lighter.
I can't believe I am back to posting on TT again. I had a lay off from tennis for several years and have been hitting again the last couple of years.
Anyway, the Pro Tour 280 (austrian made) were my sticks for years but as you know it's low power. Now, I have been playing with the Babolat Pure Control Tour (PCT) for about 6 months.
Comparing the PCT to the PT280:
PCT is more
- good overall racket (i.e. volley, backhand, serve) but not great in one department
- more free power, but don't get it wrong, it's player racket (reads low power)
- soft on impact. good for arm
However, the PT280 has more:
- that Head plush soft feeling, you all know what i'm talking about.
The two are very comparable. One thing with the PCT, since its swing weight is lower, I can not dial in my forehand. Reading this thread makes me want to pull out the blue sticks again, which I will.
BTW, keep an eye out for the Sales forum, I am dumping my Prestige Pro (brown) and Pro 600 (red to brown). Don't miss your chance to get these rare rackets, one of which is ultra mega rare with an unknown signature on it.
What about IG CAPs?
Bought 2 Bosworth PT280 from TW here. Nice rackets, well balanced all-around racket. A little on the heavier side.
For anyone CAPping the PT280s, I would recommend against it. The stick is already 12+ oz with non-cap bumper, CAPPing it means you have to add certain weight in the handle to keep the balance, the stick will go over 13 oz.
For 630s I think it is a different story.
I have IG CAPs and a leather grip on my PT630.
I agree. It was designed without. Doesn't need any alterations.
I have CAPs + leather grip on my PT280s, now it's 370 strung weight w/ overgrip and dampener. Definitely hefty.
Which type of older Head grommets do you recommend if i want to swap out the CAPs?
Someone did it in this post
Youtek Rad MP grommets do fit but the Radical beam width is slightly wider than the PT beam width to the edge of the bumper guard does extend slightly beyond the beam. not a big deal.
for the perfect fit, these are the grommets that fit.
Head Intelligence i.Prestige XL Mid+ Grommet
TW sells them, too.
Wrong thread, sorry...
i would like red radical grommets, but there are only full cap grommets in red. like this:
i love the red colour with the blue pro tour
I eventually removed all the lead added to the PT280, final weight with leathergrip + overgrip + dampener is 350g, I found this the most comfortable setup for my likings. sweet racket.
Picked up a China made PT 280 in decent shape, played it side by side compared to an Austria made PT280. The China one is definitely more powerful and more stiff, less feedback, no Twaron for sure. Definitely 2 different rackets.
I'm gonna swap out the regular bumper out of my PT630 to the full CAP for no good reason but just to make it look nicer.
Does anyone knows how much increase in swingweight does that results in?
And what's the change in balance? I'm guess 6mm or 2pts
I know static weight increases about 8g
I felt the same way about it -- stiffer, less feedback...
I think the swingweight would go up at least by 15...
Plug the numbers in the customization spreadsheet and see.
FYI, I recently CAP'd my i.Prestige MP XL. the LM Prestige CAPs weighed 11g more than the stock bumper.
I have come full circle. I am now "officially" back with the PT again after a year or two of trying the so-called "latest and greatest stuff" on the market.
Let me tell you my little journey.
A bit of my background. I believe I'm a solid 4.5 player who can bump up to 5.0 if my serve is more solid. I was playing with the PT280 for many years and then stopped playing tennis for a short period, about a year. Then when I returned to tennis, I forgot my string setup and how to hit properly. At this point in time with the PT280 (and bad string setup of full poly), it had absolutely no power, hard to swing, and my shots were floaters waiting to be hammered. I got frustrated and tried some new stuff.
In came the Babolat Pure Drive just based on its many positive reviews and I thought I needed some free power. As you know, it's a completely different racket in terms of weigh, balance, and swing weigh. It has plenty of power and spin alright, but I couldn't find the control and that plush feeling of the PT. I always had doubt when I swung it. It was way too light for my liking and the balance was so different that I could not get used to it no matter how hard I tried. After 6 months with it, I gave up.
Then a friend just got the new Babolat Pure Control Tour and so I borrowed it. I hit damn good with it as this racket was made to bring back the old school feeling. So I thought this is it, a modern racket that is close to the PT and I have found the ONE! It felt soft and flexi. The racket is very good in all department. My one handed topspin backhand was easy to hit. The volley was crisp. The serve was easier to execute. However, I still could not groove my forehand after 6 months with it. I couldn't find the pinpoint directional accuracy with it. So last week, I broke the string on it, and then pulled out the blue stick, PT280.
Then something happened. WOW wow and wow! I just could not believe how accurate, solid, buttery, and plush feeling the PT was. It was truly magical! I felt connected to the ball. The accuracy (aka directional control) was one level higher than the open string pattern of the Pure Control Tour (PCT). The ball went wherever I told it to go. The plow through was apparent. Just let the racket do the work. Basically, it was very addictive! The feeling could not be found on any other rackets I've ever hit with. A solid hit put a grin on my face and I didn't care whether I hit a winner or not. Just getting the plush feeling was gratifying and reminds me of why I play tennis.
Now, back to my original problem of lacking power in the PT. I was wrong. All you need to do is lower the tension and with its plow, there is plenty of power, controlled power that is!
I felt very lucky to have re-discovered the blue stick again.
That's my journey and the road of trying new rackets has come to an end. I hope to be re-accepted back to the PT club again.
>>>Here's my setup<<<
- Austrian made PT280 and PT630 (trek font, No CAP) (note: the flex of these two are very comparable as excellently observed by JT_2eighty. Search for his posts in this thread. PT630 shadow font with CAP were too flexible for me as I recalled from a while ago when I was play testing it. May try it again if I can get a hold of one.)
- For you guys who have the Austrian Made PT280 and PT630 trek, don't put full CAP on them, as they will be too heavy to swing and maneuver at the club level.
- Final strung weigh with gut hybrid: 350g - 354g. Regular bumper. No CAP. With leather and overgrip.
- Cheap gut main at 50lb, testing 48lb. Will keep going as low as possible without losing control.
- Poly cross at 46lb, testing 44lb. Will keep going as low as possible without losing control.
- Testing poly that are crisp and has long tension maintenance: Tourna Big Hitter Silver, Tourna Black Zone, Genesis Black Magic (soft, tension maintenance, and pocketing). I would use Alu Power if I have lots of money. Any other recommendation?
>>>Babolat Pure Control Tour (PCT) comparison<<<
Here's my experience with it in comparison to the PT280.
PCT positive: very maneuverable, volley is awesome, easy to serve, much lighter swing weigh, access to spin, soft, good power, somewhat crisp, somewhat flexi, somewhat solid.
PCT negative: lack that impossible to find Pro Tour plush, solid, and addictive feeling. lack plow (will get pushed around a bit if hit with heavy spin hitter)
Summary: PCT has that old school feeling that is less demanding than the PT. If you can't handle the PT, give this a try. It's good in all department. BUT, cannot be compared to the accuracy, plow, plush, and addictive feeling of the Pro Tour. As for connectedness to the ball, on a scale of 1 - 10, the PT would be an easy 10. The PCT would be about an 8. It's there but not quite there, making you search for it but could never find it.
>>>Tennis Wisdom <<<
I have come to a realization that in tennis, feed back is very important which allows the muscle and brain to re-adjust and adapt; and thus auto-correct one's stroke and technique. And I believe feeling plays a major role. That is why I am back with the blue stick!
BTW, I've played couple of real matches with the blue stick and I am sold, again!
Try stringing full poly, thin gauge and low low tension around 35# being the highest One of my PT280's has a 1.10mm full Polystar Classic in it at 35lbs and it had more spin than the 16g Polystar Energy strung on a Blade 98S
Pro Tour 630, Muster
This pic is from someone selling Muster's Pro Tour 630.
Folks i hear pt630 and pt280 have similar specs .. I see pt630 specs here -
Racquet/Static weight (g/oz)/Flex/Swingweight/Balance cm
Head Pro Tour 630 363/12.80/56/344
would it be safe to assume pt280 has the same specs?
PT280 uncapped weight
My PT280 (uncapped) weighs 12.5oz with OG and rubber band. I have not played with the PT630 to be able make a valid comparison but others have reported the 280 to play a little stiffer than the 630. My 280 certainly feels stiffer than the 56 RA listed in those specs.
is it the Chinese version?
Made in Austria not China
No,it is Made In Austria.
My non-capped 280 is about 333 SW.
Ive been playing with this racket awesome !!!
Shame Head rackets are not that good no more
How is this racket for hitting those heavy topspin rally balls? What modern racket is it most similar to? Anything still in the head line?
I have four 280 MP and one or two 280 OS. I used to have more but gave them to special friends and family as gifts. I love my 280s (mainly the MP), probably more than any other frames I have had, and I have been a racket-aholic since the 1980s. Other much loved sticks include the POG and Wilson's 6.0 Original 95.
I've been playing a Made in China PT280 since the end of last summer as part of my campaign to use more arm-friendly racquets. I wasn't sure it was going to work out at first. I wanted the CAPs, and it turned out less headlight than I prefer. I was also more used to open string patterns. I had to play around with string thickness and tension, ending up with a full bed of Gosen OGSM 17 at 47 pounds. I serve and volley, and my first impression was that it was better as a baseline racquet. One day it just clicked on my groundstrokes, couldn't put it down so it became my every day racquet. Doing volley drills another day, it occurred to me that despite it being less headlight than I prefer, I was volleying great with it. I think it was just a matter of getting used to the balance as I don't even notice anymore. I love returning big serves with it. When I catch one just right, it comes off my racquet with the sound of a cannon shot and lands at the baseline with spin and power. I see the fear in my opponents body language. So I got a Made in Austria recently because I had to feel the difference for myself. They both weigh 354 grams, CAPs, Gamma Hi Tech grip, Wilson Pro Overgrip, Pete Sampras dampener, lead under the grip. In my hand they feel like the same racquet. On the court, they do not feel the same. I need the dampener in the MIC, but I could play without it in the MIA. It takes a little while for me to get used to a change from one to the other. I would say the MIA is definitely mid to high 50s in flex, MIC maybe very low 60s. Anybody have a stiffness number for the MIC? I like the feel of a really flexible racquet, no getting around the wonderful feel of the MIA. That said, I don't know which one I prefer. It's not a bad problem to have. I know it's not everyone, but in this thread, the majority seem to think the MIC is an inferior racquet. My opinion is that it's a different racquet, different layup, different feel; not inferior. I recommend trying them both. Like me, you might have the pleasure of trying to decide which one you prefer.
I have found the perfect setup. Try this and thanks me later.
Doesn't matter what version, PT280/630, Made in China or Austria, etc...
Just try this setup:
1) DO NOT put the CAP on as it will make it very head heavy. Use the lightest grommet. Youtek Radical MP which is 18 gram.
2) Put leather grip (i.e. Tennis Warehouse's) and overgrip on.
3) String full poly 17g or 18g at very low tension, 42lb main and 40lb cross.
I use Gosen Polylon 17 Natural color and the setup is easy on the arm yet super crispy, crazy amount of spin potential, and enough power. You supply the power and that's how tennis should be.
The above setup will put a smile on your face.
I have recently re-discovered Gosen Poly's which are really awesome.
Polylon 17 Natural: super crispy at really low tension and plays like fresh synthetic gut. Just love it! And look at the price? wow.
Polylon Polyquest (formerly known as Polylon SP) 17: softer than above but not as crispy, tension maintenance is longest I've ever experienced! This is probably good for hybrid as cross with natural gut which is what I'm testing right now.
Also, I'm going to try some thin rough surfaced strings like Solinco Tour Bite to see if any additional improvement can be had.
Awesome advice, and close to my setup! I agree, a thin poly in the 37-42 lb range turns this racquet into a perfect precision machine. Spin, flat, slice; you name it, you get it. Puts out what you put in. Even touch at net is sublime. I can rip as much spin as I could with an APD, yet directional control is on a dime. Flat serves or DTL groundies go exactly where you wanted. Also agree, no CAPs on mine either. Helps maneuverability, stick still weighs in a little over 12 oz, stability is solid.
You should try Tourbite 18 at 39 lbs. It will change your life. I'm playing my best tennis for the last year or two since settling on this setup. Just have to restring every 4-6 matches is the only downside.
Hey JT_2eighty, I've referred to your past posts for some advices too. And my experience and observation are similar to yours.
That's my plan, to put 18g Tourbite on and see. Is that 39lbs for both main and cross? or 39 main and 37 cross?
I know what you mean about precision. I'd tried some modern rackets and the precision and feel cannot compare to this classic stick. I'm playing my best tennis right now.
Will go down to around 39lbs and see. And yes, it's kind of a pain to string this racket since it's dense patterned. I also found that pretty much all poly's will only last about 10 hours, that's about 5 x 2 hours matches or sessions.
What about natural gut main and poly cross? What's your finding? How about 44lb gut main and 40lb smooth poly cross? I was playing with this hybrid, which gave me more power, but cannot grab the ball as sharp as the full poly. Maybe I'm using cheap indian gut. Gonna tweak some more.
I got this racquet back in it's first production. Now I've been back with it for a year. I now use Tough Gut mains at 56 and RPM crosses at 53. plays like a dream and gets as good spin as most 16x19 racquets. I find this to be the "spinniest" 18x20 racquet I've ever hit with.
echoing JT_2eighty and rorshack, go low on tension and find the thinnest of all strings for the PT630/280. With thin strings it helps keeping the frame more headlight and SW lower too. Personally, at stock form, i feel its too headheavy for me so a couple of my PT630, i actually cut the bumper away so keep the SW low (with tape to protect the hoop)
This racket can definitely generate good spin despite the dense pattern. I am on 48/45lbs with bow gut18g /MB 18g now... looking to try JT_2eighty's setup next too (when I find time to play more regularly, currently i could only hit x1/month so looking for a tweener to hit around)
I definitely prefer thin string in this dense pattern. I won't discourage people from using the CAPs though, there is a response you won't get with the Radical grommets. I can see how the weight might be a problem for some, but if a heavy racquet isn't an issue, there is more plow through and comfort. And with used examples becoming increasingly chipped and scratched, you cannot beat the protection of CAPs.
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