*****THE OFFICIAL HEAD PRO TOUR 630/280 Club*************

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  1. mavtop

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    Yesterday i played again with the PT 280, more time passes and more i get in love with it.

    3 hours of play: 10 mins of warm-up, then 2h e 50min of match in double, we won 1st 5-7 2nd 6-2 3rd 7-5, then another set 3-6 to reach the 3 hours of play.

    I played very well, the control is superb (i know i already told you from first day, but it become always better or maybe i'm learning the racquet each day more).

    Each-one of my shots went where i wanted and with a surgical precision, my volleys were fantastic, i put them where i really wanted, same with the smashes.

    My slices are always harder to receive, very fast and low, and i use them to reach the net and then volley/smash the ball.

    I tried to serve only sliced serves, trying to add more slice and more power, and they were good, yesterday i didn't serve flat, only sliced, i want to have more first serve choices and i needed to try a better sliced serves.

    I think my arm little pain is because i never used the upper arm muscles in this way, infact more i use the racquet and more that pain reduces.

    I got also my Pro Tour Lite 630, tomorrow i will check the weight and the balance just to see what i need to do to bring it closer to the PT 280 and i will check if i can use like a second racquet, where i will try some strings setup.

    With the Pro Tour Lite 630 i got another racquet a "evo" something 660, tomorrow i will post some photos of both with their features (what i can find myself).

    Anyway, my playstyle is growing up each day, together with my technique, also my one handed forehand is growing, not like my forehand, but it is enough for now, i prefer to use a lot of slices on the backhand, but i will have to use also some flat/topspin, but i will need to learn the technique for that.
     
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  2. dr325i

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    ^ the honeymoon will be over within 2 weeks, me feels
     
  3. mavtop

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    are you referring to my post ?

    if so, i played already over 2 weeks with this stick (considering i play 3 times in a week, 3 hours each one, if not more), before i tried an Head Competition 660 (for 3 times) and it was similar (but not the same, lighter for me, but with great recovery for the frame bigger).

    I don't know if the tension is loosing in the while (maybe a little, i'm not an hard hitter or great topspinner), but i play each time better, repeat i don't know if it depends that i'm learning how to use it better or depends from the string tension, or other, but my playstyle is becoming always better, i decide what to do, and voila' it becomes true. I want to send the ball on the line, and the ball go there, i want to cross, i want to slice or i want to volley there and it is so easy.

    Repeat maybe it depends on our level of tennis, we are novices, not pro, just playing with our teammate, but we are almost at the same level, there is only one just a little over the others, in single he won against all of us.

    But doubles are another story, you have to cover, attack, the teammate is important more than yourself, if he is the black hole, all the balls will go to him. Tactics are more imporant than playstyle if people is at the same level.

    Anyway back to the stick, i used it from 13-07-2016 for 16-17 hours, latest yesterday, the next will be on monday next week.

    Holidays are really close, so i'm not sure that i will be able to find someone to training me in august, then at september i will have my holidays, so this week could be the last for now, i hope not, i'm really enjoying to play tennis again, after more than 20 years.

    I feel like a children with a new toy :)
     
  4. leohaegger

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    My honeymoon with my PT57's is over and i think they are the best racquets out there, man! I'm still playing with them!
     
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  5. mavtop

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    Ok i got my Pro Tour Lite 630,

    here the info i got:

    Lenght: 68,5 cm (like the PT280 that i have)

    Weight strung, with grip and overgrip: 305 grams (the PT280 with grip and overgrip strung weighes 344 grams, so i have 39 grams to reach that target, but i want to try to stay lower 10 grams if possible)

    Frame width: 21-22mm, i don't have a caliber (the PT280 is 20mm)

    Balance: 39-39,5cm (the PT280 is around 32cm) here i will need to fix these 7-8 cm.

    That overgrip green by head is really awful, i removed it with the grip under it and i discovered it has the same size of the PT280 i have.

    I was thinking to add a leather grip (maybe Gamma 25 grams) with an overgrip on it by Head Black Xtreme Soft (8,5 grams), in this way i will move a little the balance, then i will have to add some weight on the buttcap, silicone or lead tape, i don't know, i will have to verify.

    Here the photos:

    Pro Tour Lite 630
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    Made in Austria
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    Bumper Guard
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    Awful Green Overgrip
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    Tour Series
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    Overgrip and Grip removed
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  6. leohaegger

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    It is in a nice condition!!
     
  7. mavtop

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    Yep it was, like the PT 280, i was very lucky to find them in these conditions and for the money of a pizza both :)
     
  8. leohaegger

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    WOW!! This was really a good deal, man!!:D:D
     
  9. dr325i

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    He's probably not talking Dominos deal ;)
     
  10. mavtop

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    Yep i was very lucky, the 2 guys that sold me the 2 rackets didn't know what they had in the hands, one got it while cleaning a room, another would like to empty the garage.

    Obviously i was very happy to get their stuff to have them more free space and me less :)
     
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    Another 2 days of tennis for a total of 7hours of play.

    5 matches in total, 2 in double, and 3 mixed.

    The PT280 is always with me and it is perfect for my playstyle, i think the strings are losing their tension a little, but i have put them at 26/25kgs at the beginning, so they would live again for a little.

    All the first impressions remain valid, a solid racquet, lot of control, net game is easy, like volleying, slices, drop balls.

    My first serves are now constants, my slice serves are always harder to receive.

    This is my racquet also if maybe i will need to remove the full cap to have it lighter, maybe i could use a lighter grip, but i suspect that 10 grams in less would give it more head light and less stress on my elbow, after 3 hours of play my arm has some little pain, close to the elbow.

    I remember it weighs 344 grams in all, removing full cap with only a bumper guard it would reach 334 grams, if i change the grip (with a lighter) and maybe don't use an overgrip it could reach 324 grams, 20 grams in less.

    I don't know if 20 grams is enough, but before changing this, i will try with my PT 360 Lite, it is starting around 305 grams with grip+overgrip and strung, so i suspect without them i would be in the 280-290 grams range, that could be a good point to start.

    Do you know if exists only the bumper guard for the PT280 without changing grommets ? I know the liquidmetal (LM) Radical MidPlus (MP) = 18 grams would be the right one and the lightest, but if i can't find them which one would i use ? i want the lightest one if possible.

    On tenniswarehouse europe i can find

    Head MicroGEL Radical MP
    Head MicroGEL Radical Pro
    Head YOUTEK Radical Lite

    or

    Head Youtek IG Radical Pro Mid+
    Head Youtek IG Radical Mid+
    Head YOUTEK IG Prestige Mid Plus

    or

    Head Graphene Speed S/MP/Rev/Jr
    Head YOUTEK Graphene Prestige MP
    Head YOUTEK Graphene Radical Pro/MP/REV Orange

    or

    Head Graphene XT Speed MP A
    Head Graphene XT Speed MP/S
    Head Graphene XT Instinct MP
    Head Graphene XT Radical MP/Pro
    Head Graphene XT Radical MPA
    Head Graphene XT Prestige MP

    If you want all the list go here http://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/catpage-GACGROM-IT.html#HEADGROM

    I would like only the bumper guard, or bumper guard with grommet but not full-cap, maybe a mid-cap could be good, if lighter than the full-cap i have now.

    Thanks in advance
    mav_top
     
  12. Hansen

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    microgel radical mp grommets fit on my lm radical mp and are lighter
     
  13. mavtop

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    Ok but they will work on a PT 280 ? Is it a bumper guard, no-cap, mid-cap or full-cap ?

    Thanks in advance
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  14. Hansen

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    i have no experience with a PT 280. i can only say that the mg radical bumper guard fits on a lm radical mp and that it is lighter than the original lm bumper guard.
     
  15. vsbabolat

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    Microgel radical grommets are not cap grommets. They are bumper guard and will fit the PT280.
     
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  16. mavtop

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    perfect and thanks vsbabolat i will buy them for my pt280.

    mavtop
     
  17. mavtop

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    Another week of tennis passed, this week only 2 days of tennis about 4,5 hours in all, we warmed for 15 minutes each time, the rest played singles, the first day we were in 3 and I won 8 games on 17. The second day I won 1st set 6-0, 2nd set 6-3 and 3rd set 1-0 then stopped to play for finished time.

    My playstyle is fixed now, i can control my game from serves to volley and i'm really happy about it.

    My serves have high percentages of success, 1st serves flat or sliced around 85-90% are in the field, 2nd serves with some kick-in around 95-99% in the field.

    My forehand is stable, i can control, send the ball where i want easily, i can push when i want to attack, but still some problems with the slices on high balls, the most will hit the net, but i suppose it is a technical problem, maybe i have just to hit an high ball and don't slice it, but i like to change the speed on the ball, then my slices are so low on backhand.

    My backhand is stable on slices, i can control if doing one at middle field or deep long slice, but i have some problem with drop balls, but also here i think it is a technical problem.
    I have still some problems on flat/topspin backhand but i suppose i will need some training to fix this.

    My volleys are perfect, i can put them where i want very easily and hardly the opponent can reply on them.

    My smashes too are right, i can control them easily and put them where i want.

    My body is beginning to stay stable and reacting fast, i'm feeling really better, maybe i'm losing also some weight (it is not bad at all), after 2 hours of play i can't feel the pain than first weeks of play, i'm still fresh :), i can attack the net more easily now, usually i do with a long slice on backhand or when i see the other player is short on a ball and in the middle of the field, i usually i tend to slice on his worst arm very deep with backhand or pushing a flat or with little topspin forehand, on his forehand or backhand (the worst of two), so if he will hit the ball, i will be able easily to volley on it.

    Next week we will have a break, our office will be closed for mi-august holidays, maybe i could find a teacher and take some lesson, i will let you know if i will do.

    Hope i'm not boring you with my progress on tennis, the last 2 weeks we didn't save videos the Go-pro was in holidays :)

    Maybe a day i will show you some of them, but we are really novices :)
     
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  18. clutch21

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    Just bought an Austrian PT 280 from another user on this forum. Can't wait to see how it hits. Right now I'm switching back and forth between a PS85 and RF97.
     
  19. vsbabolat

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    It plays much more plush than this frames.
     
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  20. mavtop

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    I hope you will love it how i do.

    I felt the first time i used it, that it was the right racquet for me, for my playstyle also if i was beginning to play tennis again after 25 or more years.

    I'm a novice or newbie on tennis, so maybe i'm not the right person to ask about it, maybe in the future after some training with a coach i will change my mind (also if i doubt it will happen).

    For now i'm really happy with it, at september i will try to balance also the Pro Tour 630 Lite in the same way, maybe a little lighter (10-20 grams) just to see if it is better after 3 hours of play, actually i have some pain after 3 hours close to the elbow, but the day after is all ok again (now my PT 280 is full cap, grip + overgrip, strung 344 grams).

    I'm thinking to remove the full cap with a bumper guard only, but before do it, i will fix my PT 630 Lite and will try if i fell it better than PT 280 (and if it will be because lighter).

    just my 2 cents
     
  21. asifallasleep

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    Is the 280 a little stiffer than the 630? Contemplating buying a 280 since I sold both my 630's. Wondering if there is a big enough difference. 630's were too flexy and heavy for me.
     
  22. vsbabolat

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    Theres no difference.
     
  23. asifallasleep

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    thanks
     
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    Some here say that PT280 Made in China were a bit stiffer than PT630, and that in general they have not the exact same "feel", but I have not direct experience, so take it for what it worths.
     
  25. vsbabolat

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    I have hit with a friend of mine's China PT280 and it played just like a Pro Tour 630 to me.
     
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  26. Theukfirefox

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    I just want to say thanks to this post as I have switched from my speed mpa rackets to the pro tours! I have now acquired 8 made in Austria pro tours, I'm 15 and a frequent tournament player and I train 2 up to 6 hours a day and these rackets have made a huge difference to my performance! Thanks again to everyone in this post who have enlightened me about the legendary pro tours (I have read most of the 44 pages!)
     
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    My rating is 3.2 lta (5.5 NTRP) and I am aiming to get to 2.2 lta by next year. I am a mix up player serve volley base line aggressive (anything that works really) my setup is pro tour 630 customised to about 340g unstrung with Wilson revolve 1.25 at 30-28lbs on my Babolat star 3 machine.
     
  28. asifallasleep

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    Well my friend had two mint Chinese PT280's and I hit with them today. Wow. He had brought them out of storage for me to use as I wanted to compare them to my PT630. I liked the PT280's a lot more. Felt more solid, more maneuverable and much easier to serve with. Upon inspection when I got home, I found 10 grams of lead under the leather grip of the PT280. Modded static weight was 13.2. My PT630 with just the leather grip was 12.4. So the difference in playability was definitely because of the additional weight. I had previously owned two PT630's and eventually sold them as I had found them plush but sluggish for me to swing. I never would have thought that adding so much lead in addition to the leather grip would make it that much easier to hit with. I'm well aware of the effect of hl balance but I'm surprised that increasing the static weight to 13.2 ounces wouldn't have a negative effect. Of course it helps the PT280 and PT630's have fairly thin beams to aid in maneuverability.
     
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  29. Theukfirefox

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    Out of interest was the 13.2 ounces static weight strung with grips or unstrung with or without grips?
     
  30. asifallasleep

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    strung, with leather grip, dampener and 10g of lead tape under the grip
     
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    Thanks :D
     
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    Oh cool. Thanks. Where did you get your pallets. I had two mint 630's a few months back and sold them for $300 per frame. Should have kept them. I have one left that's probably in 8 condition that I need to take a grip size down. The buttcap decal is gone.
     
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    Thanks. I've let a lot of great deals for 280's get away as I only wanted 630's Made in Austria.
    Now I've hit with a Made in China 280 and see that there may not be any difference at all.
     
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    I already had the pallets from a pro stock racket I got on FleaBay for £55. $300 per frame is a pretty good price though don't beat yourself up over it. The buttcap decal on most of my 10 pro tours have gone aswell.
     
  37. asifallasleep

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    Oh ok. Thanks. Do you have all 630's or some 280's?
     
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    I have 2 280s not customised one 690 not customised, one semi broken 630, and 7 customised 630s (all made in Austria)
    I train 3 hours plus everyday atm and play lots of Tournaments that's why I have so many rackets lol :)
     
  39. asifallasleep

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    What do people say when they see you using these old frames? I have 2 Made in Austria PT630's and 3 Designed in Austria no barcode made in China PT280's.
     
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    They say why are you using those old things are your real rackets broken? And I say nope these are the nicest rackets I have ever tried . Are the designed in Austria ones much or any different to the made in Austria 630s? And what do people say when they see you using your frames?
     
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    I change frames quite a bit and used the RF97 for a long time. Also the Pure Strike Tour, the K90, PS88, PS85 St Vincent and a bunch of others. So they aren't surprised about what I show up on the court with.

    Some say the PT280's made in China are a little stiffer and have more power. Some say there's no difference and some say there's a huge difference and that the Made in Austria are just way better. A few like the chinese one's better. LOL.

    The Made in Austria PT630's are definitely the more sought after ones and command a higher price. Not sure if it's based on perception or reality in terms of quality and performance.

    I just hit with the China ones for the first time yesterday.

    I've probably have a better comparison in a few weeks. I think the preference is completely personal.

    All the PT630's were made in Austria. The Designed in Austria were made in Austria as well but painted in Czech.

    The Designed in Austria PT280's without a barcode and without the "barcode label inside" inscription on the frame are Made in China.
    The Designed in Austria PT280's with a barcode and with the "barcode label inside" inscription on the frame are Made in Austria.
     
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    If anyone has any leads on where I can pick up a couple of really nice MIA's please let me know. Thanks!
     
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    But they are not, at least not according to the RDC machine. The Chinese PT280 is stiffer compared to the PT630 (every one I have checked on the machine)
     
  44. asifallasleep

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    I'm sure you are right but specs don't translate the same in usage to everyone. Some can tell and some can't. The Chinese being a bit stiffer may explain why I like it slightly better than the PT630 which felt a little soft for my liking. Also, the PT280 could only be considered stiff when compared to the PT630.....and it's just a slight difference IMO. Certainly not so when compared to the stiffness of today's frame. Both today would be considered not stiff at all and very arm friendly.

    Is the PT280 actually stiffer or is it in my head, lol. You'd get both arguments from different people. The only thing that matters is to play with what you like.

    Now the magical Twaron debate I won't get into, which the PT630 contingency would say is the deal breaker for them in only using the Made in Austria frames.

    I'd even put forth that most player's today would prefer the Chinese PT280 over the PT630 because it is a little stiffer and closer to the feel of current frames of today. The PT630 being softer and truly old school. Now they could have been the same when they left the factory but my PT630's have way way more mileage and over the life of a frame the flex does increase. My PT280's could simply be stiffer because they haven't been used as much. I have no idea.

    I must say that I got caught up in the Made in Austria is way better, has better feel, much better quality, etc.....

    Perception can sometimes really drive things: Austria good, China junk. PT630 the best, PT280 second tier. PT630 more plush, PT280 stiffer. SMH.

    Almost all frames are made in China today and the quality is fine....albeit the occasional factory spec goofs. Some say certain brands have more problems than others.

    I would say that perhaps my PT280's are superior to current frames as better materials were used in the past. Also the production volume is larger today which increases the chance for inconsistency.

    My PT280's are exactly the same in spec.
     
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  45. MatthewH.

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    thinking of trying a soft(ish) poly in my PT280's at lower tensions ... any recommendations for which string works well around 40 lbs and is not too stiff?
     
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    Do you know if the 280s made in Austria are stiffer than 630s made in Austria on the RDC machine? (As I don't have an RDC machine) my 280s made in Austria feel stiffer but it may just be psychological.
     
  47. vsbabolat

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    Its psychological. They are the same racquets with different graphics.
     
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  48. dr325i

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    Made in China stocks have twaron in them?
     
  49. haegger

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    Try the Signum Pro Poly Plasma. It's very soft and plays very good in 40-45 lbs.
     
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    yes
     
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