*****THE OFFICIAL HEAD PRO TOUR 630/280 Club*************

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  1. Outliar

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    Correct me if Im wrong but isnt it the case that only the PT280 had Sorbothane inside the handle but the PT 630's did not?
     
  2. GuilhermeG

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    I removed the cap grommets I had installed on both my PT 280's and switched for MG rad MP grommets. I was able to remove 12g by doing that, bringing them to a manageable 353-354g ready to play w/ leather and 1 og.

    I wasn't able to tie-off on the correct grommet, though. The holes are different on those grommets. Is that normal?

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  3. bkfinch

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    I have discovered the org*sm that is low tension kevlar hybrids in the PT630. The sound is unbelievable and the control and big power are there. Some juniors were playing next to me, also hitting pretty hard, but no comparison to the sound. The lower tension also gives a lower pitch sound and it's definitely more menacing :D

    I don't know but I feel like it also sort of compensates what I'm sure by now for me is a fairly low RA caused by years of use and restringing. My arm is loving it, so are my shots...
     
  4. PT630Wannabe

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    Kevlar/Syn Gut or Syn gut/Kevlar?
     
  5. Classic-TXP-IG MID

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    I had Kevlar/Syn gut in a different players racquet (don't want to go off topic reg other racquet models) and I was astounded by the amount of spin, power, and comfort. The hybrid came with the racquet when I bought it and the Kevlar was pretty loose and probably old and in need of replacing - judging from the amount of string movement.

    I will definitely be trying this hybrid, as well as the Kevlar/ZX combo, again in different racquets... I believe the string also lasts much longer before it needs to be replaced.
     
  6. bkfinch

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    One has Kevlar/Zyex, the other has Kevlar/4G but lower tension. Kevlar always in mains and strung tighter than crosses.

    The latter hybrid is hallucinating because it is strung so low but still has a lot of control in relation to the power it offers. I might increase tension by 2-3 pounds on that next time but I'm really happy with it. The ZX one I like a bit less but I'm going to play with the tension next time. Kevlar has a different 'touch' though than other strings and I noticed that touch shots need adjustment. The more barbaric the swing actually the better the result seemed to be. If I don't dial in the next few sets of ZX I think I will just keep using 4G in the crosses. Did I mention I have durability issues?
     
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  7. Classic-TXP-IG MID

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    I would reverse the tension on the mains and crosses... kevlar looser and syn gut or ZX tighter.... at least I think that's what it says on the packet...
     
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  8. bkfinch

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    Was following the advice of the infamous 'Kevlar People' in a thread on Kev/ZX. The first time I tried the hybrid I did crosses tighter and it was still great.

    Lol I never read the packet instructions for much

    Maybe reversing the tension would help with that touch problem since I bet kevlar is the culprit. Not the control itself but that pop you need.

    Also wondering if I gravitated to these strings because of looking for a stiffer response from a low RA racket...
     
  9. Classic-TXP-IG MID

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    LOL... I know @bkfinch, sometimes the excitement takes over and we forget about the instructions... happens a lot when trying to put together furniture...

    The kevlar is quite stiff and doesn't lose tension much, so it's ok to be strung a bit looser... there will be no loss in control but it will help increase the pop...

    The instructions or recommendations say to string the Kevlar mains 10-15% looser than the Synthetic gut crosses... (another brand recommends 15%)...

    I think you're right about using these types of strings with low RA racquets. That way you have the flex of the racquet and the slightly firmer and crisper string bed that still has great ball pocketing, spin and control.
     
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  10. bkfinch

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    In other words the more I get used to the feel of this setup, the more disoriented I will be when I try dialing a new lighter stiffer racket? Lol
     
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  11. bkfinch

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    I haven't been using syn gut crosses, just 4G and ZX. I put one racket with 4G tighter than the mains, not as great. I still think the common wisdom of tighter mains holds true for kevlar. The ZX just needs to be as thoroughly pre stretched as possible to ensure longevity. 4G is much deader and stiffer so it requires a lower tension. The 4G hybrid offers potential for a more even-tempered and predictable response, the ZX offers more spin potential.

    The first modern racket I have tried which knocks on the same door of feel as the PT is the Prince Phantom. I would even go as far to say that the rackets flex in the same way. But the Phantom is 100" and 16x18. I didn't groove with the Ultra. I wonder where the Angell fits on the spectrum.
     
  12. Classic-TXP-IG MID

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    What string do you use for Mains, and what string do you use for Crosses...?

    The recommendation by the manufacturer is to have the Kevlar in the mains at a lower tension (so if you were to use 4G instead... then that would be in the mains and at a lower tension), and the ZX in the crosses at a higher tension....

    If you choose to put them the other way around... then yes... the ZX would be tighter in the Mains... and the Kevlar (or 4G if you use it) would be looser in the Crosses (the recommendation is 10-15%)...
     
  13. bkfinch

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    Ashaway Kevlar 17 in the mains. One racket has ZX 17 in the crosses, two have 4G 16L, one of the latter having tighter crosses and the other having tighter mains. The racket where the 4G crosses are tighter than the Kevlar mains doesn't generate as easy spin as when the Kevlar mains are tighter. The ZX setup is special in that it *almost* feels like an open string pattern. Maybe I shouldn't say that lol
     
  14. Classic-TXP-IG MID

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    Yeah, I'm not sure about the Kevlar mains and 4G crosses combination, as they are both firm strings... in that situation, I would probably have both strings at a looser tension... but maybe like a more normal differential of a couple of pounds (like a 48M/50C or 50C/48M... or something like that...).

    My PT630 is currently strung with some yellow string (came with it) that I suspect is Syn Gut. As it seemed freshly strung I'll play with that until it needs replacing, then I'll be putting in the Kevlar/ZX hybrid...
     
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  15. bkfinch

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    The rationale behind the Kevlar/4G is to get a stiffer response from the racket (without buying a new stiffer racket) and to increase durability of said stiffer response. Hahahahahahahahaha

    I'm not a frequent breaker but I was/am fed up with polyester strings being pretty much unusable by the second or third session. The only poly I've used whose playability lasts/ed more than a week is 4G and its variants. I looked into kevlar and was amazed once I tried Ashaway Kev/ZX. So... why not Kevlar and 4G together... again the spin/power potential seems less than with ZX but it has a very predictable, tempered response and has an extremely satisfying sound.
     
  16. zalive

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    In which way unusable so soon?
    Losing tension too fast? Prestretch.
    Getting too stiff soon? Pick strings which don't, for example Signum Pro strings (SPPP, Hyperion) don't stiffen too fast.
     
  17. bkfinch

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    Losing tension and feel/playability. I have tried prestretching and while it does delay the inevitable, it only does so for not much extra time in my experience. Honestly the fact that a kevlar hybrid can play the 'same' for 3 sessions and more (it can go for a lot more than that), that's a miracle. Rachdressing explained to me a while back that 'higher' swingweights kills strings faster; to compensate for this he recommended stiffer strings because they retain their original feel longer, as they lose tension. He recommended 4G and RPM Team- the latter which I don't like. I am always playing between 350-360 swingweight, I've just gotten used to that and can't go back. I think stiffer strings also balance out the flexy soft feeling of my racket. If I used a stiffer racket I think I would be lost as to which strings to use since softer polys will loose tension and die sooner than stiff ones. I have not tried however the full 'travlerajm/shroud' route which is stiff racket + stiff string setup.
     
  18. Classic-TXP-IG MID

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    Have you tried Babolat Origin in either 16 or 17 gauge...?

    I found that string to last for quite a while... and in their review, the TW team also reached this conclusion. Strung at my usual tension, the Dynamic Tension of the string bed was higher than other Polys I'd normally use (admittedly it was in a Prestige Tour 600 which may have contributed), so this might provide the stiffer stringbed you're looking for. It played awesome and I felt connected to the ball.

    I don't have a problem with the Kevlar/ 4G combo, but if you feel your strings go dead quickly (and 4G being a poly), you may still experience this problem. I know you said it lasted longer than others, but it's still a poly... That's why I thought you could use something like Babolat Origin instead... and since you would use it only in half the stringbed, it may be more economical (together with Kevlar lasting longer)...
     
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    I haven't tried Origin. I think that's the one made of a different material (?) that has some very interesting/positive stats on the TW database. I just don't know if the shop chain I work for carries it since it doesn't seem to be so popular... but I'll look into it. The Babolat premium strings here are sold at the same price as Luxilon. Does it have good spin potential? That's part of the appeal of kevlar as well.

    This stiff thing is only for the Pro Tour. I would not do similar operation for a Prestige mid for example.
     
  20. Classic-TXP-IG MID

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    I understood the point about only being for the PT630... To answer you on the spin potential... I was surprised... The 17 gauge seems to have more spin potential than the 16 (according to TW), but still, it was better than Babolat RPM Blast, much of the Kirschbaum range, RS Lyon, and many others. It's equivalent to Solinco Hyper-G, Solinco Revolution (depending on gauge), and Volkl Cyclone (of similar gauge). So I would say pretty good all things considered... at least in my opinion... and it lasts longer...
     
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    That sounds pretty good man. And just to be clear you are recommending it for the whole stringbed or just for crosses?
     
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    I had it in my Prestige Tour 600 in a full bed because I wanted to try it... and I was very happy. However, I was not recommending it one way or the other. As in, I didn't have a preference as to which one to use... I will try both at some point... Because it was a bit more pricey (not as bad as gut), I didn't want to take the risk that a co-poly would saw through it quickly, so I tried a full bed, but the TW reviewers said it was great in both cases... However, Andy did mention that he would have it as a hybrid, due to the fact that he wanted the additional grab and control that he gets from a co-poly in the mains...
     
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    Had a hit today- I could feel the ZX hybrid racket starting to go. A few ball sprays here and there, not end of the world but it's starting to go. The 4G hybrid however, it feels stiffer at the lower tension and smaller differential but boy could I crank it. Gave it to my hitting partner who started off a bit erratic tonight, and we had some good rallies when he took the 630. In his own words, 'I feel like I can take a huge swing and not miss' :D:D:D:D:D
     
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    Just received my PT280 Aussie, and have it restrung with Cyclone @ 55lbs. I can't wait to honeymoon with this thing. With an overgrip and a shockbuster2 its 12.24oz. I'm coming off a year with C10s and have recently switched to the more fun sticks below.

    Current sticks are Prestige Tour MP 660s. They weigh 12oz and 11.8oz. I'm drilling balls with great plow-thru and penetration.

    I also have a PC600, but I play horribly with it. I hope the PT280 is, at least, better for me than the PC600.

    USTA 4.5ish. I play leagues and am between 4.5-5.0 in those.
     
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    Hope you like it... I have a PT630 and I love it... It's one of the racquets in my collection that will let me know if my game is not up to scratch on a given day though... and will kick my ass on those occasions... The C10 Pro, on the other hand, I'm able to do everything with more easily. The difference I feel is in what the opponent is experiencing... with the C10 Pro the hits are solid and have great impact, but with the PT630 (when I'm on my game) the hits are rib crunchers and jawbreakers... every shot causes pain. The feel is also different... both are comfortable and easy on the arm, but the PT630 has this deep thick pillowy soft thud. I love both... but there is something deeply addictive about the PT630...
     
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    Played a league match with it tonight. Came thru with a 2 set victory. 1st set pretty easy but opponent was def off. Second set came back from 3/5 to take it 7/5.

    The 280 def feels solid. I may have strung it too high with cyclone @ 55lbs. I think around 50ish it will hit absolute bombs. Serves were accurate but no aces. I feel it lacked some oomph and/or I was hitting it out of the sweet spot. If I took some off my firsts, I felt I could hit anywhere in the box. I held serves pretty easy except one game that I flubbed. Returns were good, and strokes were also good. I never really tried to hit full-on FHs; just good pace ones to the opponents BH.

    It wasn't an amazing honeymoon but I did love the feel of the ball coming off the racket. It feels more solid than my Prestige Tour 660s. The launch angle is also lower, bc of the 18x20 pattern. I like that. I hit a few good short angle crosses for winners but def feel I'm getting less spin. The verdict is still out as to which racket hits a more penetrating ball.

    More to come but def better than the same setup on my PC600. The Prestige Tour 660s, I feel I can hit a FH to any spot with plow & penetration... If I can do the same with the PT280, it will become my #1. I can't wait to find out :)
     
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  27. Outliar

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    Has anyone tried lead setups on the PT 630? Was thinking of adding 3g at 12 and counterweighting at the top of the handle or at the end of the handle
     
  28. bkfinch

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    You won't regret.

    Caps or no caps?
     
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    Its capped, thats the only worry I have is it might be a little too heavy after leading it up. But I think I still prefer a higher SW in the 340's.

    Did you lead the PT630?
     
  30. GuilhermeG

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    My pro tour 280's are now weighting 352g ready to play. I don't regret switching the cap grommets I had installed with MG rad MP grommets. It's much easier to swing and the weight and balance are closer to my i. Prestige MP.

    I found the pro tour to be easier to generate spin than the prestige, maybe because the lower power makes you swing harder without any fear that you'll send the ball to the moon.

    For those that find the capped pro tour too cumbersome for a full match, try removing the caps. Playability > good looks.

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    Does anyone of you know how much weight difference there is between stock i.prestige grommets and cap grommets?
     
  32. bkfinch

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    I used to have them with MG Radical grommets. Over time as I was tuning my set up I realized I wanted more twistweight and a different weight distribution. So- first, I took out a 10 year old original LM Prestige TK57 grommet from my closet and put it in. It was a tough fit and still had bumps after stringing near the bottom. The weight added by those caps made the frame cumbersome (too much twistweight) and added a stiff feel, the latter which I did like. Curiously, I ordered LM Prestige grommets while I was still infatuated with them and what I got was i.Prestige grommets, though the label on all grommets was 'Liquidmetal Prestige'. They are narrower at the throat. They weighed 6g less than my 10 year old grommet and fit in the racket like a glove, no heating or anything. I found what I was looking for- some increased support around the frame without being cumbersome and of course the aesthetic. :cool:

    Since I discovered the benefits of playing with a 'higher' swingweight I haven't looked back. Even though I don't play at the pro level, a pro level setup (see Greg Raven's site for inspiration) does have inherent benefits. I can handle within my game swingweight up to 365 (providing a correspondingly manageable twistweight and/or overall static weight) without feeling messed up. I have tried beyond that to test my limits, things got nutty, I calmed down after lol. So I do lead my Pro Tours, but I think I've settled on something which I will not be changing for a while. I'm feeling good when I stop caring about knowing the specs. Most rackets feel better with a reinforced upper hoop and the PT isn't an exception. However I keep the static weight low by not using a base grip- just overgrips and some weight in the handle to counterbalance. That way I float around high 340 and low 350 grams and the racket 'feels' light but can deliver and handle heavy balls. Of course, one is free to add as much counterbalance as one likes.

    Whether or not to use Caps I think depends on your tolerance of twistweight and which Caps you end up using. I think the PT has a fairly low stock twistweight, I'm willing to bet certainly not higher than 13, probably 11-12. Maybe 13-15 regions with the old caps.

    With the old TK57 Caps, leather grip and polyester strings I think the stock SW was already high 340s low 350s. With the i.Prestige Caps (and I project the newer XT Caps as well) I've gotten... high 330s low 340s. Roughly 10 pts difference but that stuff always has a degree of inaccuracy in it.
     
  33. asifallasleep

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    The new Wilson Ultra Tour is the perfect frame for anyone looking for a similar frame to the PT630. IMO, it's even better.
    It has amazing feel, it's plush, it's very maneuverable, it's very headlight, customizable, really good power, easy to play with, decent plow, doesn't get pushed around, just an overall solid plush frame. It makes the game so much easier for me.
     
  34. Tommy Haas

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    There's a distinction between plush and flexible. The Ultra Tour is indeed plush, but it's not close to the flexibility of the PT630, which was both. Maybe the Ultra Tour is what the modern game needs. The added stiffness and extra power that the PT630 didn't have.
     
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    And all about 'modern game' is lower power and more spin that poly brought. PT630 was designed in times before poly became a string of choice. So it's kind of ironic, since poly took the power away, stiffer racquets make up that loss. But both is at expense of comfort.
     
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    Well the Ultra actually plays closer to to the PT57A Bumblebee than it does the the PT630. Close enough IMO that users of the PT630 wouldn't object........
     

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