*****THE OFFICIAL HEAD PRO TOUR 630/280 Club*************

Envy

New User
Yeahh!! Im living in the Philippines and thats the dollar equivalent of how much I paid for it.
2 months ago I even bought a minty prestige pro 600 and a Iprestige mp xl for roughly 50 usd. Sadly, in this part of the world vintage racquets are not getting enough love... Everyone here wants the latest aeros and speed racquets.
 

Ultra 2

Professional
If you cap a Made in Austria model, it will make it quite Head heavy. In stock form, it came with a bumper guard and a grommet strip.
 

ChrisG

Rookie
Hi there,
I've bought a used PT630 and followed the instructions to change the grommets.
Decided to go with the Microgel Radical MP to get a lighter racquet, but I have a lot of trouble putting the bumper guard !! Am I missing something ? It seems to be quite easy from what I've read here but my experience is quite the opposite ! some holes just don't seem to be made for this grommet. Can I put WD-40 to help the grommet slip to the right position ? I'm desperate lol !
I pledge the Great Masters of PT630 to help me with this one !!

many thanks
 

cdik

New User
it's a little bit surprising. Try to use hairdryer to make grommets more flexible and softer. I guess it should help.
 

ChrisG

Rookie
I tried it also, maybe not enough as I was afraid to damage the plastic, but I will try again.
I've read a lot about it but it there any grommet close to the MG radical MP weight in the modern racquets that would fit?
 

obana48

Rookie
ChrisG
no problems with changing grommets. I even tried to take very old, dry and jammed plastic grommets off and putting them back without much troubles. Just use a pathfinder guiding awl and a hairdryer as cdik recommends. You can fix the grommet's original form with the hairdrier easily.
 

ChrisG

Rookie
I did it ! Thanks for the advice,bought an awl and it was easier. Also the hairdryer helps a lot. I was expecting a lego type operation, plug and play, and it required a bit more work !
Thanks all !
 

Taita87

Rookie
I am really tempted to buy the second one and switch completely to them.

It's a heavy racquet and with box beam plus 18/20 is less prone to move faster trough air compared to my tc95 63ra. Weight is almost there.

The problem is I'm playing really well... I lost in aggressiveness but improved tremendously in consistency and touch (be the 18/20 or the frame itself).

I'm debating between this one and the Pro kennex q+tour Pro 325, but had TE and every time I hit the stringbed near the frame the head is WAY more muted and dampened then the Pro kennex too. The comfort is unbelievable.

I'm a 5.0/5.5 player, but only 58kg 1.70, I'm just worried this is too much... But Simon is lean too, and he plays at high levels too
 

Arvid

Rookie
Trying to recap my pro tour 630 since i thought it needed new grommets. However the xt prestige grommets that are the only available black ones here in europe anyways seem to have a very poor fit. My stringer just called me and told me he couldnt get it to work, the string broke the grommet because of the poor fit. It was relly hard trying to put them on by the way, even though i used a hairdryer i still couldnt get it thru the last holes on top but i figured when he would string the raquet he might be able to but didnt work. So i see the graphene prestige grommets are still around(red ones) anyone have any experiense with those? From all the grommets ive used the transparent IG ones where the easiest ones to put on the raquet, never tried the red ones though....
 

HeadClassic

New User
The red are the same as the black. And they both fit just fine. I've replaced many. Start at the bottom and do the top last.

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Arvid

Rookie
Those red grommets look pretty cool on a pro tour so its an option, but is there anywhere you can still buy youtek prestige grommets that i suppose would be the last black model that would fit?
 

Ultra 2

Professional
Those red grommets look pretty cool on a pro tour so its an option, but is there anywhere you can still buy youtek prestige grommets that i suppose would be the last black model that would fit?
If you're asking about the MP (98 square inches) 630/280, TW still carries the all black grommets. It's the mid (90 sq in) that is no longer available. Did see someone from the UK on the auction site that wanted $30 or so a piece for them though.
 

Arvid

Rookie
Well
Here's the orange one (not red).. https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Head_Graphene_Prestige_MP_98_Grommet/descpageHEAD-HGPMPG.html

Is the one you had issues with fitting? https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Head_Graphene_XT_Touch_Prestige_MP_Grommet/descpageHEAD-HGXTPMP.html

I don't see why your stringer had issues with that one. It should fit fine. Same head size & string pattern.
Well it simply doesnt fit as well as previous versions of capgrommets. Ive never had any problems fitting previous versions on my radical tours but with the xt ones i couldnt get them in the top holes even after i used a blowdryer...
 

Ultra 2

Professional
Have you tried guiding the holes with a punch awl? If you start from the bottom, you will need to do this as you progress towards the top. I need to re-cap my i.prestige (which is the same mold as the PT280/630) tonight so I'll post some pics.
 

Arvid

Rookie
Have you tried guiding the holes with a punch awl? If you start from the bottom, you will need to do this as you progress towards the top. I need to re-cap my i.prestige (which is the same mold as the PT280/630) tonight so I'll post some pics.
Well ive done it at least 5 times on my radical tours with the older prestige grommets, no problems didnt even need a blowdryer to soften them, and the transparent ig grommets where so easy to put on there was not even need for a nail which is what i usually use to guide the holes. These new grommets are different though....
 

ChrisG

Rookie
After a bit of search in the forum, I managed to find the best way to reduce the overall weight of the PT630 : it's now 337g instead of the 350+, without dampener (this racquet doesn't need it) and without OG. My only concern is about the OG, I'm so used to play with one, but my limit weight (for now) is under 340g.
I hit once yesterday and was switching with my TC95 16x19 63RA (334g) and the PT630 felt heavier than the 3g difference suggest.

I thing also the gauge used is too big for the 18x20 (1,28 TierOne black knight), so maybe a thinner one 1,20 should work better and make the racquet easier to play.
But I'm very happy, the feel is second to none for recreational play, now I need this final string tweak to make it a competitive racquet for me !
 

cdik

New User
After a bit of search in the forum, I managed to find the best way to reduce the overall weight of the PT630 : it's now 337g instead of the 350+, without dampener (this racquet doesn't need it) and without OG. My only concern is about the OG, I'm so used to play with one, but my limit weight (for now) is under 340g.
I hit once yesterday and was switching with my TC95 16x19 63RA (334g) and the PT630 felt heavier than the 3g difference suggest.

I thing also the gauge used is too big for the 18x20 (1,28 TierOne black knight), so maybe a thinner one 1,20 should work better and make the racquet easier to play.
But I'm very happy, the feel is second to none for recreational play, now I need this final string tweak to make it a competitive racquet for me !
What is this way to reduce the weight? Please provide a solution. I've got pair of pt630 close to 360 gr and it's heavier than I like
 

ChrisG

Rookie
What is this way to reduce the weight? Please provide a solution. I've got pair of pt630 close to 360 gr and it's heavier than I like
Well, the first thing to do is to replace the grommets : I've used the mg radical mp grommet, the lightest available right now in Europe at least.
Then you need to choose the lightest grip : there's a thread with all the details about grips (weight/thickness etc...) that is very useful. I put a Wilson confort hybrid grip ( with gold lettering but I like it !!).
Last thing is string thickness. Choose a thinner gauge and it will automatically reduce weight (not tried it yet on the PT630).
Obviously, OG and dampener will add weight, so I really think you shouldn't use them.

Mine is now 337g, so the benefit is really important.
I hope I've been useful to you, this racquet is quite something !
 

cdik

New User
Thanks a lot. I try to follow and implement your advise. I'd like to reduce weight for my PT's. I've got the same issue with my Zebras. I've removed bamper and used syntetic grip to get it 348-350 gr strung. It's optimal weight for me and not very head-light. But they become to unprotected and i cracked two of them becouse of slip out of hand during the serve.
 

Arvid

Rookie
I always thougt my pro tours where rather light. The zebras capped are perfekt weight for me more or less cause they do differ but all of them are playable to my liking. With the protours though i need to put som lead in the hoop, not sure how much maybe about 4-5 grams at 3, 9 and 12, that puts the overall weight at around 350 with caps 1.20 string and an overgrip on. Also i think this setup gives me slightly more swingweight then the zebras have...
 

ChrisG

Rookie
Strange really... without caps and no lead it’s already close to the 350g, so if you put caps and lead i assume it would closwr to 360. Anyways still quite a heavy stock racquet for modern standards
 

HeadClassic

New User
I have two PT57A in Graphene XT paint that I bought new, and have used for a few hours each. The thing is, I've learned that I just play better with extended rackets. So I know this is a long shot, but if anyone has XL PT57A or XL Wilson H22 that they would be willing to trade for my standard length that would be awesome! PM me.
 

Arvid

Rookie
So recap on the caps. Red prestige grommets fit exellent on pro tours and will go on much easier then the black grommets. Also have to say they look really gorgeous on these raquets, was not sure they would but i really think they do. There has been som speculation on the weight of different capgrommets. I have weighed the transperent ig ones, the black xt ones, and now the red graphene ones and i can confirm that they are all actually the same weight which is 28 grams on my foodscale...
 
Hope not asking for something that was answered – were the specs for cap and non-cap version of Pro Tour 630 different? Or the lay-up was lighter and there where the same?
 
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vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Hope not asking for something was anwered – were the specs for cap and non-cap version of Pro Tour 630 different? Or the lay-up was lighter and there where the same?
Layup never changed. Layup is the orientation of the Graphite fibers in the mold. The materials used. Weight and balance is a different thing
 

BlueB

Legend
Layup never changed. Layup is the orientation of the Graphite fibers in the mold. The materials used. Weight and balance is a different thing
Quite right, with a small addition: in composites industry the layup also means how much material and where. So, the same layup would mean same weight and balance of the hairpin. Theoretically, the only difference in SW and weigh should be the cap vs. normal head guard and any weights added in the handle, different pallets, or grip.

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HeadClassic

New User
So what was the difference in weight, balance and SW in both versions?
I answered this already on the previous page. The difference is this:

Pro Tour 630 Trek Font: 12.2 ounces with 323cm balance (strung)
Pro Tour 630 Shadow Font: 12.0 ounces with 328cm balance (capped and strung)

The Shadow Font hairpin is lighter than the Trek font. And in my subjective opinion, Trek font plays ever slightly stiffer. Shadow Font feels like a PT57A to me. I have not played with the Pro Tour 280 versions so I cannot offer any insight there.
 
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PistolPete23

Semi-Pro
I'm still waiting to find one at the local thrift shop as others have done :-D. But seriously, please, please Head, retro the 280/630 along with the Prestige Classic so we don't have to pay exorbitant prices for scratched up frames on the internet. Follow the same strategy as the Air Jordan 11; I'm pretty sure as long as you make them, people will buy them.
 
Hello folks,
Got myself a pair of PT630 made in Austria about 1-2 months ago. They’re practically brand new which is amazing. They’re at about 340g strung with Kimony leather grip + overgrip, which is the same static weight as my Wilson Ultra Tour.
But it just feels SO much heftier to swing.
Cannot for the life of me find a consistent swingweight for this stick online. Anyone here know for sure?
Thanks
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Hello folks,
Got myself a pair of PT630 made in Austria about 1-2 months ago. They’re practically brand new which is amazing. They’re at about 340g strung with Kimony leather grip + overgrip, which is the same static weight as my Wilson Ultra Tour.
But it just feels SO much heftier to swing.
Cannot for the life of me find a consistent swingweight for this stick online. Anyone here know for sure?
Thanks
It's supposed to be 327, but with Head racquets, it's best to try to take it to someone that has the machine to measure it properly and give you a definitive answer.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
That’s strung right?
Because the UT is supposedly 319 strung, and the PT630 feels way over 327 based on that. Both of them actually.
I think that's what TW has it listed in their Racquet Finder section, but with the QC of both of these manufacturers, you never know. The PT630 comes in different versions (the Shadow Font, the Star Trek Font, and then the PT280 for the US market). Some have the Cap Grommets (Shadow Font, I think), and some don't (at least my Star Trek just has the Head guard with normal grommet strip on the sides), and then if you bought it used some people will add the Cap Grommets to the Star Trek version (which from what I have read felt more head heavy than the Shadow Font - so adding Cap Grommets would make it much more weighty feeling). Then there is the standard shady QC which could mean they were heavier to start with and the SW is higher... best to check by having them measured properly. However, if you don't want to, can't be bothered, or have nowhere where that can be done, you'll need to decide whether you'll modify them to your liking, learn to like them as they are, or move onto other racquets.

I know it's tough, but those are the options. That's why I decided to get the Tecnifibre TFight 315 Limited (2013) and the UT, which when modified can come in 20g+ lighter (my PT630 is around 370g with the overgrip and rubberband) and be close to the feel and performance of the PT630 (not the same but close - especially the Tec TF 315 Limited).
 
I think that's what TW has it listed in their Racquet Finder section, but with the QC of both of these manufacturers, you never know. The PT630 comes in different versions (the Shadow Font, the Star Trek Font, and then the PT280 for the US market). Some have the Cap Grommets (Shadow Font, I think), and some don't (at least my Star Trek just has the Head guard with normal grommet strip on the sides), and then if you bought it used some people will add the Cap Grommets to the Star Trek version (which from what I have read felt more head heavy than the Shadow Font - so adding Cap Grommets would make it much more weighty feeling). Then there is the standard shady QC which could mean they were heavier to start with and the SW is higher... best to check by having them measured properly. However, if you don't want to, can't be bothered, or have nowhere where that can be done, you'll need to decide whether you'll modify them to your liking, learn to like them as they are, or move onto other racquets.

I know it's tough, but those are the options. That's why I decided to get the Tecnifibre TFight 315 Limited (2013) and the UT, which when modified can come in 20g+ lighter (my PT630 is around 370g with the overgrip and rubberband) and be close to the feel and performance of the PT630 (not the same but close - especially the Tec TF 315 Limited).
Mine are the shadow font with full cap grommets. Do you know the “theoretical” SW on those?

There’s only one RDC machine here where I’m from and the flex rating is broken, so I’m delaying going there. My ultra tour is supposedly a Pro Stock so I really wanted to test it’s flex.

As far as feel goes, may be just me but I don’t think the UT comes anywhere close to the feel of the PT... the ball pocketing and flex in the PT are just so unique. Played with the Angell K7 and even that wasn’t the same.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Mine are the shadow font with full cap grommets. Do you know the “theoretical” SW on those?

There’s only one RDC machine here where I’m from and the flex rating is broken, so I’m delaying going there. My ultra tour is supposedly a Pro Stock so I really wanted to test it’s flex.

As far as feel goes, may be just me but I don’t think the UT comes anywhere close to the feel of the PT... the ball pocketing and flex in the PT are just so unique. Played with the Angell K7 and even that wasn’t the same.
Nothing matches the PT630 exactly... that is why it's so unique and special. The UT feels totally different from the PT630 but is still comfortable, it is based on the PT630 (the H19 is Wilson's version of the PT630), and so it still provides the great directional control, precision on all strokes, and versatility of the PT630. If you want something that feels like the PT630 exactly, I'm afraid you'll have to stick with the PT630 itself and learn how to play with it. You need to give it lots of time and be prepared to work hard on your technique, stroke mechanics, footwork, and fitness. It can be done.

Although, people are starting to claim that the new Blade v7 18x20 "feels" similar to the PT630... so go figure.

On the topic of the "Theoretical SW," you asked about... since TW only lists one value, which is 327, I'd have to say that is it. I've never measured my PT630 because I've just accepted that I like the feel, that it's unique, that I won't sell the racquet, and that I will play with it whenever I want. When I am not playing with it, I use other racquets (like the UT, Tec TF 315 Limited in both 18M and 16M, and too many others to mention).

At the end of the day, it is up to you, either learn to play with it, use something else, or mostly use something else and use the PT630 occasionally. No racquet is perfect and we will all choose different racquets for different reasons. Choose the racquet that ticks the most boxes for you and play with that.
 

nwv

New User
Hello everyone, here is my first post here:
In response to a SW question above:

PT280
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SW: 312
Stifness: 53
Static weight: 344 (includes leather grip and overgrip plus some lead - approx 2-3g)
Strings: Solinco TB 1.15 @23.5/23.5 kg
Grommets are new - MG Rad.

Only hit one hour and I am in the process of evaluating it (vs k90, PS90, k95, n95, yonex duelG hg)
Played one set, right after a first set with the k95 6.1, different play, lower power, overall satisfying
First impression:
- it spins
- it controls the ball
- the serve works fine (easy)

- need to adapt
- good experience
 
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Sure about this SW? Sounds pretty darn low to me... How did you measure it?

Mine's standing at the same ~341g and feels like Thor's hammer compared to my Ultra Tour, which supposedly sits at SW of 320
 

nwv

New User
Sure about this SW? Sounds pretty darn low to me... How did you measure it?

Mine's standing at the same ~341g and feels like Thor's hammer compared to my Ultra Tour, which supposedly sits at SW of 320
Measured at a local stringing shop, not by me directly. I could use the SW calculator and check - seemed low to me too as well, my other racquets are 340, 330, 336, 331, 334 (TW SW calculator) - this PT280 swings lighter/quicker though than any of my other racquets.
Also I replaced the original grommet set with the MGRadical which may be lighter.
 
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cristic

New User
MGRadical grommet set is much lighter that the original, around 6-7 g so SW will go down significantly, you can add a few g at 12 o'clock to bring it back.
 

nwv

New User
Very useful info : MG Rad grommet is 6-7 g lighter.
Added more lead. Racquet is surprisigly addictive.
 

nwv

New User
Ok I think it is about time we start our own Pro Tour 630/280 club. I do not have time to moderate this club but I think we can have some volunteers, I can help as much as I can. Please let me know who can help moderate this club. We need few people who actually use the Pro Tour and can answer many questions. We need to compile all information on the Pro Tour into this thread. All info is welcomed. Any trolls will not be tolerated and zapped. Keep it clean. Thanks

I know many on this forum who are still using these frames. Please check in so we can have a count. Thanks

Please register and tell us your level, style, specs and setup

#1 member 5.0 all courter
1/4 grip with anything below 1.20mm at low tension (under 55lbs) at 31.5cm balance with 327 SW

Hello,
I have a PT280 that feels head light and the swing weight is (I would guess) low.

Specs:
Static weight: 344g (leather grip + overgrip + lead tape 2g@12 and 1g@3&9, grip #4
SW: 310 kgxcm2
Flex: 54 units RDC throat stiffness rating strung with Solinco TB 1.15 @23.5/23.5 kg
Grommets: MG Radical
Level: 4.5, clay court player (mostly)

Other racquets:
K90, PS90, K95, n95, Yonex DuelG hg --- 340, 330, 336, 331, 334 (TW SW calculator)

Planning to buy;
2xPT630 MIA


I am intrigued with the PT as it is quite addictive and so I felt the need to share
 
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Okay – I thought I knew something – but I need some clarification.

1) I understand that the mold of Pro Tour 630 and Radical Tour 630 is the same? Am I right? It is the same mold as in Prestige MP (at least YouTek, IG, all Graphene) – PT57.
2) If so – was the lay-up of Pro Tour 630 and Pro Tour 630 the same? And is this PT57A?
3) And if not – is PT57A (in general as I know that they are maybe some differences – PT57A2, etc.) lay-up of Pro Tour 630 (that's what I thought) or Radical Tour 630?

Many thanks for feedback and sorry if it was explained earlier.

That's what I have in my notes :)
PT57A - Pro Tour 630 (available in PT57A/A2/A3)
PT57B - Radical Tour TwinTube 630
PT57C - Ti Fire Pro Edition SE1/2
PT57D - Ti Fire Tour Edition SE1/2
PT57E - i.Prestige 630
PT57F - PT57 mold with Flexpoint-holes
 
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