*****THE OFFICIAL HEAD PRO TOUR 630/280 Club*************

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Okay – I thought I knew something – but I need some clarification.

1) I understand that the mold of Pro Tour 630 and Radical Tour 630 is the same? Am I right? It is the same mold as in Prestige MP (at least YouTek, IG, all Graphene) – PT57.
2) If so – was the lay-up of Pro Tour 630 and Pro Tour 630 the same? And is this PT57A?
3) And if not – is PT57A (in general as I know that they are maybe some differences – PT57A2, etc.) lay-up of Pro Tour 630 (that's what I thought) or Radical Tour 630?

Many thanks for feedback and sorry if it was explained earlier.

That's what I have in my notes :)
PT57A - Pro Tour 630 (available in PT57A/A2/A3)
PT57B - Radical Tour TwinTube 630
PT57C - Ti Fire Pro Edition SE1/2
PT57D - Ti Fire Tour Edition SE1/2
PT57E - i.Prestige 630
PT57F - PT57 mold with Flexpoint-holes
All I would add to this is that the very first Radical Tour 630 - The Yellow and Black (Bumblebee) is a PT57A (as it is not a Twin Tube construction), while the following two versions of the Radical Tour 630 (the Zebra, and Candy-cane - which are Twin Tube), are PT57B.

However, all the Radical Tour 630s have a different SW to the PT630 (339 Vs 327-ish - depending on whether it had the Full Cap Grommets or not). Although TW just has them as 339 SW for Rad Tour 630 and 327 SW for PT630/PT280.
 
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PistolPete23

Semi-Pro
All I would add to this is that the very first Radical Tour 630 - The Yellow and Black (Bumblebee) is a PT57A (as it is to a Twin Tube construction), while the following two versions of the Radical Tour 630 (the Zebra, and Candy-cane - which are Twin Tube), are PT57B.

However, all the Radical Tour 630s have a different SW to the PT630 (339 Vs 327-ish - depending on whether it had the Full Cap Grommets or not). Although TW just has them as 339 SW for Rad Tour 630 and 327 SW for PT630/PT280.
Does the pro stock designation, i.e. PT57a, refer to the specific mold or both the mold and the layup?
 

PistolPete23

Semi-Pro
The PT57a to me is like the Stradivarius of tennis racquets. Many have attempted to replicate it but none of the wannabes have succeeded. I wonder why it’s so hard; it shouldn’t be that difficult to reverse engineer the layup if you have a good sectioning tool and microscope.
 

PhilSki

New User
I
Okay – I thought I knew something – but I need some clarification.

1) I understand that the mold of Pro Tour 630 and Radical Tour 630 is the same? Am I right? It is the same mold as in Prestige MP (at least YouTek, IG, all Graphene) – PT57.
2) If so – was the lay-up of Pro Tour 630 and Pro Tour 630 the same? And is this PT57A?
3) And if not – is PT57A (in general as I know that they are maybe some differences – PT57A2, etc.) lay-up of Pro Tour 630 (that's what I thought) or Radical Tour 630?

Many thanks for feedback and sorry if it was explained earlier.

That's what I have in my notes :)
PT57A - Pro Tour 630 (available in PT57A/A2/A3)
PT57B - Radical Tour TwinTube 630
PT57C - Ti Fire Pro Edition SE1/2
PT57D - Ti Fire Tour Edition SE1/2
PT57E - i.Prestige 630
PT57F - PT57 mold with Flexpoint-holes
I believe the Radical Tour 630 ‘Bumblebee’ is a PT57a but with a different flex and balance (and possibly stock weight) to the fabled Pro Tour 630. Remember, there are also the Lite Tour 630 and Vamp Tour which are PT57a but considerably lighter. All identical moulds (give or take 1mm on the beam width) but different rackets essentially.

The Prestiges you refer to are not PT57s. They are TGKs and TGTs. The LM Prestige is a PT of some kind but certainly not PT57.

Remember, layup refers to the materials used to construct a racket which ultimately affects overall feel. I cannot comment on the similarity of the layup between the PT630 and Bumblebee but I guess they are mighty similar. PT630 definitely had twaron whereas the Bumblebee may not have.

PT57a/2/3 differ in terms of initial weight and flex, pre-customisation. I believe Andy Murray’s PT57a is a PT57a2 but with a special 16 x 19 string pattern.
 
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PhilSki

New User
All I would add to this is that the very first Radical Tour 630 - The Yellow and Black (Bumblebee) is a PT57A (as it is to a Twin Tube construction), while the following two versions of the Radical Tour 630 (the Zebra, and Candy-cane - which are Twin Tube), are PT57B.

However, all the Radical Tour 630s have a different SW to the PT630 (339 Vs 327-ish - depending on whether it had the Full Cap Grommets or not). Although TW just has them as 339 SW for Rad Tour 630 and 327 SW for PT630/PT280.
The Bumblebee Radical wasn’t TwinTube but not sure if that’s what you meant? The ‘95 and ‘98 Radicals (Zebra and Candycane respectively) were, as was the Ti.Radical.
 
Okay, I think I get it. Thank you all.

The Prestiges you refer to are not PT57s. They are TGKs and TGTs. The LM Prestige is a PT of some kind but certainly not PT57.
I thought more about mold – PT/TK57 (if the mold code is TK then grommets use the same codes which is somehow understandable).

The Bumblebee Radical wasn’t TwinTube...
That's why I do prefer Bumblebee than Twin Tube – maybe a bit less comfortable but better feel.

I believe the Radical Tour 630 ‘Bumblebee’ is a PT57a but with a different flex and balance (and possibly stock weight) to the fabled Pro Tour 630. Remember, there also the Pro Lite Tour 630, Pro Lite Tour XL and Vamp Tour which are PT57a but considerably lighter. All identical moulds (give or take 1mm on the beam width) but different rackets essentially.
It could be that way. Honestly layup of the frame (as far as I get what it means ;)) does not define the frame completely. The distribution of weight can change the racket dramatically.
After years with TGT291.2 as mine modern Radical frame (powerful and flexy 95" with rather dense 16x19) – I can make from that mold and layup quite a few really different rackets.

Also PT57A2 which I have can be quite a different stick from Pro Tour 630 which I used a couple of times. A friend of mine has his PT57A2 with no lead but with total static weight around 355g. Bought it customized that way for some proplayer. On the other hand I have PT57A2 of total static weight around 340g – very polarized and with high SW – this way they are customized here for some local ATP players (but I guess with higher static weight).
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
The Bumblebee Radical wasn’t TwinTube but not sure if that’s what you meant? The ‘95 and ‘98 Radicals (Zebra and Candycane respectively) were, as was the Ti.Radical.
Yeah a typo... was supposed to say that Bumblebee is not a twin tube, while the following two are...

Some of the Prestige racquets are PT57s... just not PT57A's... the i Prestige is a PT57E, and the Flexpoint version is a PT57F.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
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I believe the Radical Tour 630 ‘Bumblebee’ is a PT57a but with a different flex and balance (and possibly stock weight) to the fabled Pro Tour 630. Remember, there also the Pro Lite Tour 630, Pro Lite Tour XL and Vamp Tour which are PT57a but considerably lighter. All identical moulds (give or take 1mm on the beam width) but different rackets essentially.

The Prestiges you refer to are not PT57s. They are TGKs and TGTs. The LM Prestige is a PT of some kind but certainly not PT57.

Remember, layup refers to the materials used to construct a racket which ultimately affects overall feel. I cannot comment on the similarity of the layup between the PT630 and Bumblebee but I guess they are mighty similar. PT630 definitely had twaron whereas the Bumblebee may not have.

PT57a/2/3 differ in terms of initial weight and flex, pre-customisation. I believe Andy Murray’s PT57a is a PT57a2 but with a special 16 x 19 string pattern.
Bumblebee had Twaron. All HEAD racquets had twaron in them for a while.
 

Grinch

New User
Hello,
I have a PT280 that feels head light and the swing weight is (I would guess) low.

Specs:
Static weight: 344g (leather grip + overgrip + lead tape 2g@12 and 1g@3&9, grip #4
SW: 310 kgxcm2
Flex: 54 units RDC throat stiffness rating strung with Solinco TB 1.15 @23.5/23.5 kg
Grommets: MG Radical
Level: 4.5, clay court player (mostly)

Other racquets:
K90, PS90, K95, n95, Yonex DuelG hg --- 340, 330, 336, 331, 334 (TW SW calculator)

Planning to buy;
2xPT630 MIA


I am intrigued with the PT as it is quite addictive and so I felt the need to share
Hmmm. My PT280 is anything but a lightweight. I’m also a first time poster to this forum and I’m trying to catch up reading the entire forum since it’s 2007 start.
My favorite two rackets that used to hang on a wall are a PT280 and a PS85 St Vincent. Both weigh in around 360. I play for fun with both, but the head size and stiffness of the PS85 makes it too demanding for real matches. The PT280, however, is still a competitive weapon, even against many millennials. Is your PT280 a “Designed in Austria”? Did I recall this or another forum said the China models were lighter?
My PT280 “Made in Austria” is 354g strung (w NXT16 and leather Fairway grip). With Tourna overgrip and Tourna O vib damp it weighs 360g with a 330 swingweight. That 360 & 330sw is a sweet spot that makes me play with old fashioned swing and footwork mechanics. Is it a coincidence that I’ve only had arm and/or leg joint problems when I’ve played with light next gen rackets?
Good luck with your PT addiction!
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Hmmm. My PT280 is anything but a lightweight. I’m also a first time poster to this forum and I’m trying to catch up reading the entire forum since it’s 2007 start.
My favorite two rackets that used to hang on a wall are a PT280 and a PS85 St Vincent. Both weigh in around 360. I play for fun with both, but the head size and stiffness of the PS85 makes it too demanding for real matches. The PT280, however, is still a competitive weapon, even against many millennials. Is your PT280 a “Designed in Austria”? Did I recall this or another forum said the China models were lighter?
My PT280 “Made in Austria” is 354g strung (w NXT16 and leather Fairway grip). With Tourna overgrip and Tourna O vib damp it weighs 360g with a 330 swingweight. That 360 & 330sw is a sweet spot that makes me play with old fashioned swing and footwork mechanics. Is it a coincidence that I’ve only had arm and/or leg joint problems when I’ve played with light next gen rackets?
Good luck with your PT addiction!
Welcome to the Forum... the PT630 is a wonderful racquet that definitely keeps you in shape and working on your footwork and mechanics. The feel is very unique and highly addictive.
 

Porschkub

New User
I buy PT630 form ****
but its no grommet
I have already installed head radical 2013 grommet

The weight go down 13 gram

Normal SW PT630 is 320
But I cannot find my PT630 SW

Anyone Help me about find Sw please
 

nwv

New User
Hmmm. My PT280 is anything but a lightweight. I’m also a first time poster to this forum and I’m trying to catch up reading the entire forum since it’s 2007 start.
My favorite two rackets that used to hang on a wall are a PT280 and a PS85 St Vincent. Both weigh in around 360. I play for fun with both, but the head size and stiffness of the PS85 makes it too demanding for real matches. The PT280, however, is still a competitive weapon, even against many millennials. Is your PT280 a “Designed in Austria”? Did I recall this or another forum said the China models were lighter?
My PT280 “Made in Austria” is 354g strung (w NXT16 and leather Fairway grip). With Tourna overgrip and Tourna O vib damp it weighs 360g with a 330 swingweight. That 360 & 330sw is a sweet spot that makes me play with old fashioned swing and footwork mechanics. Is it a coincidence that I’ve only had arm and/or leg joint problems when I’ve played with light next gen rackets?
Good luck with your PT addiction!
It's "Made in Austria"
The grommet replacement may be responsible for the SW "drop", as I learned here.
The flex behaviour and the control that results is what I find addictive. Not only the low flex - but mostly the way it flexes.
Control over the shots is unique (per my experience)
If/when I get to the point of taking the pallets apart and look underneath, I might find out more about this stick.
I don't mind loading more lead tape for now. It swings too fast as it is - compared to my K90, 95, Duel G.
I remember I had a Prestige that swang similarly, but without the (good) spin the PT provides.

(have to read more on the MGR/I and experimental work done by some members here)
 

nwv

New User
Welcome to the Forum... the PT630 is a wonderful racquet that definitely keeps you in shape and working on your footwork and mechanics. The feel is very unique and highly addictive.
As I read "highly addictive" in your post I need to subscribe 100%.
PT keeps (brings) the standards up and the feel is an honest "guide" on what to do more each and every time you hit the ball.
At the cost of working more to compensate for the lower power as per the lower flex.
 
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rossignol

Rookie
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I believe the Radical Tour 630 ‘Bumblebee’ is a PT57a but with a different flex and balance (and possibly stock weight) to the fabled Pro Tour 630. Remember, there also the Pro Lite Tour 630, Pro Lite Tour XL and Vamp Tour which are PT57a but considerably lighter. All identical moulds (give or take 1mm on the beam width) but different rackets essentially.

The Prestiges you refer to are not PT57s. They are TGKs and TGTs. The LM Prestige is a PT of some kind but certainly not PT57.

Remember, layup refers to the materials used to construct a racket which ultimately affects overall feel. I cannot comment on the similarity of the layup between the PT630 and Bumblebee but I guess they are mighty similar. PT630 definitely had twaron whereas the Bumblebee may not have.

PT57a/2/3 differ in terms of initial weight and flex, pre-customisation. I believe Andy Murray’s PT57a is a PT57a2 but with a special 16 x 19 string pattern.
Pro Tour lite 22mm beam,same mold hmmm
 

PhilSki

New User
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Grinch

New User
It's "Made in Austria"
The grommet replacement may be responsible for the SW "drop", as I learned here.
The flex behaviour and the control that results is what I find addictive. Not only the low flex - but mostly the way it flexes.
Control over the shots is unique (per my experience)
If/when I get to the point of taking the pallets apart and look underneath, I might find out more about this stick.
I don't mind loading more lead tape for now. It swings too fast as it is - compared to my K90, 95, Duel G.
I remember I had a Prestige that swang similarly, but without the (good) spin the PT provides.

(have to read more on the MGR/I and experimental work done by some members here)
NWV ... Did you take apart the pallets yet? I will try that to see if there is any extra silicon or metal weight hidden in my handle. Thanks for reminding me of that.
 

nwv

New User
NWV ... Did you take apart the pallets yet? I will try that to see if there is any extra silicon or metal weight hidden in my handle. Thanks for reminding me of that.
It's a work in progress.
I loaded it with lead tape and it's still swinging very fast (with all lead tape 9-to12-to-3) - I don't mind serving, there is extra speed available but the forehand swings too fast still (I have to compensate a lot).
I will continue with the lead at 7 to 9 and 3 to 5.
 
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PSC85

Semi-Pro
Hi all! I got my hands on a Vamp Tour today in great condition. I thought you'd all like some pics She weighs in at 10.3 oz strung with a head heavy balance.


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Could this actually be the equivalent of barebones hairpin PT57A?


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HeadClassic

New User
Could this actually be the equivalent of barebones hairpin PT57A?


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No. It is not the same. Vamp Tour has a 21mm beam compared to a 20mm of a PT57A. But it is the same mold. It is most similar to the old dark green "Head Lite Tour" because they are both in the low 10 oz. strung range, 21mm beam, and head heavy.
 

Grinch

New User
Does the new Yonex VPro HD play anything like the PT630/PT280?
Did you get any replies on the VCP97HD? I love my last surviving PT280, but are there any convincing arguments to move to a new 18x20 replacement? VCP97HD, GravityPro, Bladev7(18x20), or PhantomPro100(18x20)?
 

dr325i

Legend
No. It is not the same. Vamp Tour has a 21mm beam compared to a 20mm of a PT57A. But it is the same mold. It is most similar to the old dark green "Head Lite Tour" because they are both in the low 10 oz. strung range, 21mm beam, and head heavy.
How can it be the same mold if the thickness is different???
 

Grinch

New User
In one word no
Would anyone be able to compare our beloved PTs to other new 18x20s released in the last year? Or should we just plan to buy used PTs at new racket prices? (and hope we don’t buy a cracked or badly modified piece of kaka).
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Would anyone be able to compare our beloved PTs to other new 18x20s released in the last year? Or should we just plan to buy used PTs at new racket prices? (and hope we don’t buy a cracked or badly modified piece of kaka).
The Yonex Vcore Pro 97 HD vibrates and has a horrible ping. Doesn’t feel or plays like the PT. Try the Wilson Blade V7
 

Grinch

New User
The Yonex Vcore Pro 97 HD vibrates and has a horrible ping. Doesn’t feel or plays like the PT. Try the Wilson Blade V7
Thanks for HD feedback. I will stay away from Yonex and demo the blade18x20 and some other 18x20s instead. I tried VCore98 on friend’s recommendation last year and was also disappointed with vibe and instability of hoop. I keep trying to find a modern frame that plays somewhat like a PT, but no luck.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Thanks for HD feedback. I will stay away from Yonex and demo the blade18x20 and some other 18x20s instead. I tried VCore98 on friend’s recommendation last year and was also disappointed with vibe and instability of hoop. I keep trying to find a modern frame that plays somewhat like a PT, but no luck.
Have you tried a Tecnifibre TFight 315 Limited (2013) 18x20...? It's not the same but close, IMO. I modified mine, but it is still 20-odd grams lighter than the PT630.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Thanks for HD feedback. I will stay away from Yonex and demo the blade18x20 and some other 18x20s instead. I tried VCore98 on friend’s recommendation last year and was also disappointed with vibe and instability of hoop. I keep trying to find a modern frame that plays somewhat like a PT, but no luck.
Demo the Wilson Blade V7. Of the mass market companies thats the closest i have hit with. Another on is the Angell TC97 18x20
 

Grinch

New User
Have you tried a Tecnifibre TFight 315 Limited (2013) 18x20...? It's not the same but close, IMO. I modified mine, but it is still 20-odd grams lighter than the PT630.
Hmmm. Haven’t tried any TechFibs. I’ve been scared off by their stiffness (reading the specs). You like the old one better? Is that the one that US TW has clearance for 129.99?
 

HeadClassic

New User
Hmmm. Haven’t tried any TechFibs. I’ve been scared off by their stiffness (reading the specs). You like the old one better? Is that the one that US TW has clearance for 129.99?
You can get an excellent condition Pro Tour 630 for that price on the auction site. IMO just do it. I thank everyone on these forums for getting me to try it. They're worth the price.

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Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Hmmm. Haven’t tried any TechFibs. I’ve been scared off by their stiffness (reading the specs). You like the old one better? Is that the one that US TW has clearance for 129.99?
No, I haven't tried that one. The one I was referring to is from 2013. It is the Limited version, is Black with a red pattern, and has an RA of 61 (strung) for the 18M (RA of 59 for the 16x19 - 16M). It has Tour Prepared at the bottom of the throat near the top of the handle. The racquet is a platform racquet and needs modification to get the best out of it, IMO.

Hope that helps.
 
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HeadClassic

New User
Can someone be kind enough to post a link for the red CAP grommets? Would be much appreciated. I'm not sure which ones they are.

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jchl97

Rookie
Recently acquired this beauty and had someone do a professional makeover... Will head out to the court in the next few days and see what is so legendary about it.

Details:
- Full matte black paintjob
- TK238 CAP grommets
- TK82 Pallet
- Head Leather Tour grip
- Wilson Champion's Choice gut 26kg mains / poly 24kg crosses
- 345g unstrung / 370g final



 
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mrmike

Semi-Pro
Recently I decided to give the Gravity Pro a try to see if that frame could be a good match for my game. It started very well and I thought for sure this was going to be my go to frame. After a few months I was playing a guy who hits a pretty heavy ball and endured a series of shots that jammed me close in on the backhand side. I could start feeling some TE developing and it was lingering for days afterward. Took a week off and decided to play some doubles. I pulled out the PT280 due to its mass (12.8 oz.) and soft flex. Even though the head size is smaller, it was much easier on my arm even on mishits compared to the Gravity. Starting to have second thoughts. I guess I could lead up the Gravity to give it equivalent mass but I have a feeling it wouldn’t play well that way. The GP is about 11.8 oz. strung w/overgrip.
 

KeepitFun

New User
Hello,

Here another recent PT280/630 user. I recently switch but I am wondering if I should have switched to more modern frames

How you compare the PT280 against recent modern flexible frames such a Head Gravity tour, Wilson Clash tour, or blade V7 18x20?

I am interested in:

1- Arm comfort
2-Stability
3- Manoevrability
4- Power
5- Spin Potential

Thank you in advance!


Also I would like to know which string do you recomend for it (if possible not gut as it takes a lot of money to always play with gut)

Thank you in advance!
 

sshin12

Rookie
Here another recent PT280/630 user. I recently switch but I am wondering if I should have switched to more modern frames
You are headed down a rabbit hole after which you will have spent thousands of dollars and come out looking worse than a drug addict.

If you want to replace your PTs, go pro stock.

If you want a modern racket, pretend you've never touched the PT and start with a blank slate b/c you will hate yourself for trying. I know, b/c I'm that guy.
 
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