*****THE OFFICIAL HEAD PRO TOUR 630/280 Club*************

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Hello,

Here another recent PT280/630 user. I recently switch but I am wondering if I should have switched to more modern frames

How you compare the PT280 against recent modern flexible frames such a Head Gravity tour, Wilson Clash tour, or blade V7 18x20?

I am interested in:

1- Arm comfort
2-Stability
3- Manoevrability
4- Power
5- Spin Potential

Thank you in advance!


Also I would like to know which string do you recomend for it (if possible not gut as it takes a lot of money to always play with gut)

Thank you in advance!
Let me put it this way. The PT630 is a wonderful racquet.

I recently brought approx. 20 different racquets to the courts in my tennis bag to hit with a friend of mine. Some of them were classics, some were newer like the Tecnifibre TFight 305 XTC, some were Pro Stock (although they needed re-stringing, so maybe not fair), some were lighter but with higher SW, others were heavier but with decent SW (320+, many at 340+).

The end result was that my friend told me at the end of the hit that he had the most difficulty with, and was working the hardest when I was using the PT630.

It has great arm comfort, awesome stability, lots of power, and I have never had a problem hitting any type of shot I imagined. If one's technique is good, spin can be achieved with any racquet. Of course, comparing a player's control racquet with an 18x20 string pattern with a 100 sq. in. Tweener that is an open 16x19, is not a fair comparison in many categories.

Do you need to have good technique, footwork, and fitness... yes. Will it take some time to build these up... yes. Is the PT630 both a great teacher and partner on this journey... Definitely Yes.

The rest is up to you.
 

Oval_Solid

New User
Hello,

Here another recent PT280/630 user. I recently switch but I am wondering if I should have switched to more modern frames

How you compare the PT280 against recent modern flexible frames such a Head Gravity tour, Wilson Clash tour, or blade V7 18x20?

I am interested in:

1- Arm comfort
2-Stability
3- Manoevrability
4- Power
5- Spin Potential

Thank you in advance!


Also I would like to know which string do you recomend for it (if possible not gut as it takes a lot of money to always play with gut)

Thank you in advance!
1. arm comfort would be the pt280s biggest attribute
u dont really get the ball pocketing feeling but it flexes and protects ur arm
i did string mine really tightly so maybe i need to try it at a lower tension to see if it has any pocketing effect

2. i would say stability is average at best
if ur not hitting the sweet spot the racket is going to let u know

3. this one is weird because i always felt the racket was even balance or a little head heavy and not head light
its not the best but well above average it cuts through the air really well
its not a clumsy racket by far

4. this one is weird too because if u use a slow swing it has very little power but if u use a high speed swing it gives u a very heavy powerful shot
basically it doesnt has a middle power level area if this makes sense
comparing it to the rf97 with a high speed swing it generates more power with a heavier ball
but with a slow swing it generates less power than the rf97

5. i would say its a low spin generating racket
it naturally gives u a more flatter shot
so u would have to generate spin with ur swing



i think this racket is actually best for advance players or people who are playing alot of tennis and want to develop their game
because it can give u a very precise ball but if u just arm the ball and try to push with it its going to be very frustrating playing with this racket
 
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KeepitFun

New User
Thanks for your input guys, i really appreciate them, they are very passionate but somehow realistic at the same time

I have been playing with them for month or so I will make a short description of me feelings so far (i am a 5.5 nrtp player )

  1. Arm comfort --> 9/10. Great arm comfort. I dont give 10/10 because its heavy, and you need not to be late on your shots. Some gym would help .
  2. Baseline shots--> 8/10
    1. Flat --> I havent used them a lot, because i have overhit a few times and I became a little too conservative
    2. Spin shorts --> I really love the spin of this racket. It has enough spin to make the damage but the lauch angle is not big at all, so it gives you nice control. The only bad thing here is that i misshit a lot with the PT630
    3. Slices --> amazing. I really love to hit my single handed backhand
    4. Touch shots--> I am enjoying them a lot
  3. Volleys 9/10 Great feeling, in general I come to the net to finish the points but even grat touch on more difficult volleys.
  4. Return of serve 10/10 --> The best racket i have tried for returning big serves. You just put the racket on a good place and it absorbe a lot of energy and put it back deep on the court. Also is an excellent racket for attacking weak seconds

The worst thing I find about it, is stability. I dont find it very stable compared to a 100 sq racket ( i have been a Head Radical player for years) i tend to misshit a lot
The best thing I find about this racket is that I am looking forward to come back to the court, My arm feels relaxed after the match and my mind remembers the joy of hitting the ball with this racket.
 
I’m going to remove the cap grommet on my Pro Tour 630 and replace it with a MG Rad grommet to bring static weight and SW down. Does anyone know how many grams and SW points I can expect to shave off?


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I'm contemplating the idea of selling my 2 pt630. I've bought them mostly to try how good they'll look with red grommet and leather grip* but I didn't modify it yet. And the question is: what do you think which would sell better (a) original, untouched with old grommets or (b) modified with fresh as dew grommets and basegrips?

(*) mentioned look, but I would rather choose TW leather than something with Pacific gold lettering ;)
 
I'm contemplating the idea of selling my 2 pt630. I've bought them mostly to try how good they'll look with red grommet and leather grip* but I didn't modify it yet. And the question is: what do you think which would sell better (a) original, untouched with old grommets or (b) modified with fresh as dew grommets and basegrips?

(*) mentioned look, but I would rather choose TW leather than something with Pacific gold lettering ;)
Original, untouched, with old grommets (if the old grommets are black full CAP grommets).
 

ChrisG

Rookie
I’m going to remove the cap grommet on my Pro Tour 630 and replace it with a MG Rad grommet to bring static weight and SW down. Does anyone know how many grams and SW points I can expect to shave off?


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I did the same and ended up with a static weight of 338g strung. Now with OG it’s 342g. I use a 1.28 string, could definitely use a 1.20 and get it a bit lighter. I used the lightest replacement grip I found
 

bkfinch

Rookie
I did the same and ended up with a static weight of 338g strung. Now with OG it’s 342g. I use a 1.28 string, could definitely use a 1.20 and get it a bit lighter. I used the lightest replacement grip I found
That's just about what I had with MG Rad grommets. Damn I miss those blue things! The SW I measured went around 325-328.
 
Currently, I use a Babolat Pure Drive Roddick Plus but am thinking about getting a PT to mess around with. What differences can I expect? I'm a 4.5-5.0 singles player who's an aggressive baseliner. I hit on the flat side but am thinking the extra control will benefit me. I'm only worried about difficulty generating pace especially when rushed by other players big shots
 

Arvid

Rookie
Currently, I use a Babolat Pure Drive Roddick Plus but am thinking about getting a PT to mess around with. What differences can I expect? I'm a 4.5-5.0 singles player who's an aggressive baseliner. I hit on the flat side but am thinking the extra control will benefit me. I'm only worried about difficulty generating pace especially when rushed by other players big shots
Well obviously the free power you get with the pure drive will be gone with the wind. So really it depends what youre looking to get out of your raquet that determines if its going to suit you well or not. The reason i like the pro tour so much and think it suits me and my style of play is because i try to play with depth and consistensy, free power is not what im looking for, and for that its perfekt. You will get a lower launch angle, less spinn but greater depth and more control in comparison with the pure drive, plus the pro tour with its uniqe feel will give u a different feedback from any other modern raquet. If these things will benefit you or not, only you can know. And you might want to give it at least a few weeks of testing before you decide cause remember it takes a while getting used to. Also you definately want to make it heavier then the pure drive to be able to fully benefit from the plow thru...
 
Well obviously the free power you get with the pure drive will be gone with the wind. So really it depends what youre looking to get out of your raquet that determines if its going to suit you well or not. The reason i like the pro tour so much and think it suits me and my style of play is because i try to play with depth and consistensy, free power is not what im looking for, and for that its perfekt. You will get a lower launch angle, less spinn but greater depth and more control in comparison with the pure drive, plus the pro tour with its uniqe feel will give u a different feedback from any other modern raquet. If these things will benefit you or not, only you can know. And you might want to give it at least a few weeks of testing before you decide cause remember it takes a while getting used to. Also you definately want to make it heavier then the pure drive to be able to fully benefit from the plow thru...
Ok it definitely sounds like something I should try out. The only thing I'm confused about is how a racquet has a lower launch angle and less spin but somehow more depth? Aren't those contradictory things? Definitely want to give it a go with the old school feel. Any recs for strings? Was thinking loosely strung poly (same as I have in my pure drive)
 

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
I leaded up the head of my PT630's and they now have gobs of power with even more stability. The directional control and stability at the net is unrivaled, and i don't care what frame from what area you want to compare it to. I too at some point said i felt it lacked putaway power and that i had to work sooo much harder using it. I never imagined that adding more weight to the head work eliminate both those complaints. Kind of silly because soooo many frames have way less power than the PT630 and we don't complain, we add lead, we mod. DUH!!

Another complaint I had was that the frame was just too heavy in stock form, wasn't headlight enough and that I just couldn't generate the needed racquet head speed to play effectively with it. My RF97's are very heavy as well but extremely headlight. Thus, i could hit with very high racquet speed with them or smoothly hit everything on the rise. Because of the thinner beam and smaller head It's sooo much easier to get the PT630 back quickly. Takes way less effort even though it has a much higher swingweight than the RF97. With the PT630 you absolutely do not need high racquet head speed at all (see Andy Murray), it's not that kind of frame. Smooth and contact out front, you let the racquet do everything, and it just absolutely DESTROYS the ball. I've never played such effortless tennis in my life. This racquet takes care of it all. Touch, feel, power, control, and spin all at your fingertips. Also, the 4-5pts hl balance is not a hinderance at all.............In fact it adds to the plow and power of the frame.
 
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joah310

Rookie
I have a question, I recently obtained a pro tour 280 and it has a standard bumperguard and grommets. Do you guys add the caps or was there a time when they came with the cap installed?
 

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
I have a question, I recently obtained a pro tour 280 and it has a standard bumperguard and grommets. Do you guys add the caps or was there a time when they came with the cap installed?
Some came with the cap grommets and some with standard bumperguards. I prefer the standard bumperguards. vsbabolat can probably give you specifics.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I have a question, I recently obtained a pro tour 280 and it has a standard bumperguard and grommets. Do you guys add the caps or was there a time when they came with the cap installed?
PT280 does not come with caps. If it has caps, the original grommets were swapped out.
 

BDAZ

Professional
I thought I knew the answer to this, but do all the older Radical MP (up until the mold change with the Graphene) grommets fit the PT 280? I have MG Radical MP grommets that are giving me a hell of a time getting into my PT 280. Rather, the bumper guard is what's giving me trouble. I've tried using an awl, but that's not really working either. Do I need to warm it up with a hairdryer to make it even more pliable than it already is? Or is it just not a perfect fit? Thanks!
 
I thought I knew the answer to this, but do all the older Radical MP (up until the mold change with the Graphene) grommets fit the PT 280? I have MG Radical MP grommets that are giving me a hell of a time getting into my PT 280. Rather, the bumper guard is what's giving me trouble. I've tried using an awl, but that's not really working either. Do I need to warm it up with a hairdryer to make it even more pliable than it already is? Or is it just not a perfect fit? Thanks!
The MG Radical MP grommets are a perfect fit, as well as all the Radicals MP that came before it.
 

cdik

New User
Could you help with some info? I need any reputable feedback from you, guys. Does anyone have expirience with Dunlop biomimetic 200 and could compare it to pt630. It looks quite similar to pt630 on paper, but what is in real world.
 

obana48

Rookie
Could you help with some info? I need any reputable feedback from you, guys. Does anyone have expirience with Dunlop biomimetic 200 and could compare it to pt630. It looks quite similar to pt630 on paper, but what is in real world.
I used to play with Dunlop 4D 200 (18x10 and 16x19, the euro version) versions. Played with them a lot (years). Perfect sticks, especially 18x20, but I had real problems with serve and topspin 1HBH. I think Dunlop 18x20 is better than pt630 in volleying and BH slicing but pt630/pt57a is better in other categories.
 

cdik

New User
I used to play with Dunlop 4D 200 (18x10 and 16x19, the euro version) versions. Played with them a lot (years). Perfect sticks, especially 18x20, but I had real problems with serve and topspin 1HBH. I think Dunlop 18x20 is better than pt630 in volleying and BH slicing but pt630/pt57a is better in other categories.
Thank you mate. I guess 4D and Bio are different think. It looks like them have a differnt mold and specs.
 

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
Nothing matches the PT630 exactly... that is why it's so unique and special. The UT feels totally different from the PT630 but is still comfortable, it is based on the PT630 (the H19 is Wilson's version of the PT630), and so it still provides the great directional control, precision on all strokes, and versatility of the PT630. If you want something that feels like the PT630 exactly, I'm afraid you'll have to stick with the PT630 itself and learn how to play with it. You need to give it lots of time and be prepared to work hard on your technique, stroke mechanics, footwork, and fitness. It can be done.

Although, people are starting to claim that the new Blade v7 18x20 "feels" similar to the PT630... so go figure.

On the topic of the "Theoretical SW," you asked about... since TW only lists one value, which is 327, I'd have to say that is it. I've never measured my PT630 because I've just accepted that I like the feel, that it's unique, that I won't sell the racquet, and that I will play with it whenever I want. When I am not playing with it, I use other racquets (like the UT, Tec TF 315 Limited in both 18M and 16M, and too many others to mention).

At the end of the day, it is up to you, either learn to play with it, use something else, or mostly use something else and use the PT630 occasionally. No racquet is perfect and we will all choose different racquets for different reasons. Choose the racquet that ticks the most boxes for you and play with that.
The PT630 feels like the Jack Kramer Pro Staff to me. It occurred to me tonight while hitting. I wonder if Head had that purpose in mind? The feel of a wooden racquet. The Kramer Pro Staff was stiffer than the Autograph model. Any thoughts vsbabolat?
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
The PT630 feels like the Jack Kramer Pro Staff to me. It occurred to me tonight while hitting. I wonder if Head had that purpose in mind? The feel of a wooden racquet. The Kramer Pro Staff was stiffer than the Autograph model. Any thoughts vsbabolat?
I've never played with the Jack Kramer Pro Staff... so I can't confirm or deny.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
The PT630 feels like the Jack Kramer Pro Staff to me. It occurred to me tonight while hitting. I wonder if Head had that purpose in mind? The feel of a wooden racquet. The Kramer Pro Staff was stiffer than the Autograph model. Any thoughts vsbabolat?
The Jack Kramer Pro Staff is one of my favorite wood racquets. I don’t think HEAD had Kramer Pro Staff in mind. I think what HEAD had in mind was a larger headed more forgiving Prestige Pro/Classic 600.
 
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cdik

New User
I used to play with Dunlop 4D 200 (18x10 and 16x19, the euro version) versions. Played with them a lot (years). Perfect sticks, especially 18x20, but I had real problems with serve and topspin 1HBH. I think Dunlop 18x20 is better than pt630 in volleying and BH slicing but pt630/pt57a is better in other categories.
I've played with Bio200 this morning. So, it's good racquet. It does everything well. Spin is Ok, serve, control, power as well. But it's not a pt630 or pt57a at all. It feels like a toy compared to Pro Tour.
I guess it almost impossible to find a substitute to pt630.
 

max

Legend
I used to play with the Head Graphite Edge. It was my first graphite.

When I saw the Head PT630, I liked the red color. But I didn't care for the dense string pattern (this is from a distance). So I looked elsewhere. I'd seen and handled these, but I think to me it was a heavier dense pattern frame, not too headlight.

I did consider the Youtek Prestige, since at that time I was reading here at TW that it was great for serves.

I'm currently getting serious with the Prince Phantom 93P 18 x20 ! So times have changed. It might be a lighter PT 630./
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
When I saw the Head PT630, I liked the red color.
Not sure if you just wrote accidentally the wrong colour, or you're thinking of a different racquet, but the PT630 is blue in the throat area and then transitioning to black on the head. The Head Prestige was a metallic deep reddish colour with some tinges of brown under some angles (kind of like deoxygenated blood).
 

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
1. arm comfort would be the pt280s biggest attribute
u dont really get the ball pocketing feeling but it flexes and protects ur arm
i did string mine really tightly so maybe i need to try it at a lower tension to see if it has any pocketing effect

2. i would say stability is average at best
if ur not hitting the sweet spot the racket is going to let u know

3. this one is weird because i always felt the racket was even balance or a little head heavy and not head light
its not the best but well above average it cuts through the air really well
its not a clumsy racket by far

4. this one is weird too because if u use a slow swing it has very little power but if u use a high speed swing it gives u a very heavy powerful shot
basically it doesnt has a middle power level area if this makes sense
comparing it to the rf97 with a high speed swing it generates more power with a heavier ball
but with a slow swing it generates less power than the rf97

5. i would say its a low spin generating racket
it naturally gives u a more flatter shot
so u would have to generate spin with ur swing



i think this racket is actually best for advance players or people who are playing alot of tennis and want to develop their game
because it can give u a very precise ball but if u just arm the ball and try to push with it its going to be very frustrating playing with this racket
One's experiences with frames are such an individual thing:

For me---

This frame has insane ball pocketing and is universally accepted as having that attribute. Perhaps lower your string tension?

Although i added some weight to the head (i have the non cap version), this frame is so insanely stable in stock form.
It does have a smaller sweetspot which is maybe where your issues come in.

I get more topspin from this stick more than any open or closed frame i've ever used. See Guga Kuerten as a reference for spin production
with this stick.

It all comes down to strokes, style of play and mechanics...................

Also i'm stringing my frames at 40lbs with 19g Volkl Cyclone, so i get easy power and gobs of power at low and high swing speeds.
 

Arvid

Rookie
Is there generally speaking a difference in weight between a pt 630 and a pt 280? I have a pt 630 that ive customized to my liking, now i also have a brand new pt 280 that im gone start playing with, and was thinking about just putting the same amount of led on the 280 that i have on the 630. They are both make in austria models. I know of course quality control can be so and so but what im wondering is if they are supposed to be the same hairpin spec?
 

asifallasleep

Hall of Fame
Is there generally speaking a difference in weight between a pt 630 and a pt 280? I have a pt 630 that ive customized to my liking, now i also have a brand new pt 280 that im gone start playing with, and was thinking about just putting the same amount of led on the 280 that i have on the 630. They are both make in austria models. I know of course quality control can be so and so but what im wondering is if they are supposed to be the same hairpin spec?
If they are both MIA as you stated they should weigh the same. Some say the 280 plays a bit stiffer. A scale, balance board and lead can quickly become your best friend........especially if your want your frames to be exact.
 

4sound

Semi-Pro
The MiA were pretty consistent. However, I have picked up a couple of PT630s that were heavier.
Many say there are slight differences between the way the 630 and 280 feel/play.
At this point, keep in mind, all are old frames. I believe they were originally released 1994-2000. (then the China re-issue)

With that said they all have different unknown playing milage on them and will probably feel different from one to another.
 

Arvid

Rookie
The MiA were pretty consistent. However, I have picked up a couple of PT630s that were heavier.
Many say there are slight differences between the way the 630 and 280 feel/play.
At this point, keep in mind, all are old frames. I believe they were originally released 1994-2000. (then the China re-issue)

With that said they all have different unknown playing milage on them and will probably feel different from one to another.
Well they were actually both bought brand new by me. The first one ive had and played with for about 5-6 years perhaps, the second one the 280 i found about a year ago never used. So right now im gone get the 280 ready for play. All radical tour zebras that i own and have played with has worked very well for me with caps and no other customization despite that they have differed in static weight. So now im hoping that it can be the same with this 280 in relation to the 630 that i have gone thru the trouble with adding and removing weight until it played just the way i liked it...
 
Newer here and this 50+ page thread is a bit daunting. Is there a big drop in quality in the Chinese re-issue of the pt280? I want to get one just to hit around with and wondering if hunting for the 'Made in Austria' pt280 is worth it.
 

4sound

Semi-Pro
Newer here and this 50+ page thread is a bit daunting. Is there a big drop in quality in the Chinese re-issue of the pt280? I want to get one just to hit around with and wondering if hunting for the 'Made in Austria' pt280 is worth it.
I remember back in the day when the 'China made' re-issues 1st came out. New, without any customization, to me they felt a bit lighter and not as solid as the originals.
I added lead tape to match my specs anyway so they all felt pretty close but still not the same as originals.

The Head PT630/280 is a legendary classic racket that hasn't been replicated since.
The flexible layup is unique. The flex is comfortable for long matches without feeling mushy. You always feel comfortably connected to the ball.
The MP head size, thinner beam (for quick maneuverability) & 18x20 (for accurate flat hitting directional control) works well for high level classic strokes or the modern game.

There are a lot of rackets with similar specs (other Prestiges, PK Type C Redondo MP, TFlight 315, Angell TC97) but IMO they tend to feel stiff & just aren't the same.
 

4sound

Semi-Pro
Is there generally speaking a difference in weight between a pt 630 and a pt 280? I have a pt 630 that ive customized to my liking, now i also have a brand new pt 280 that im gone start playing with, and was thinking about just putting the same amount of led on the 280 that i have on the 630. They are both make in austria models. I know of course quality control can be so and so but what im wondering is if they are supposed to be the same hairpin spec?
matching rackets
 
That was not my intention... but thanks for taking it that way.

I'm not a new poster and have had conversations with many of the people on many of the threads. For that reason, I genuinely wanted to wish as many people as possible what the message said.

If you don't have anything nice to say... maybe you should keep your mouth shut. Try to see the good in people instead of the bad... might take you further in life.

1.) No one said you were new - sorry that you feel that way

2.) Suggestion - Instead of spamming 100 threads with the same message which I'm sure you had good intentions with, try making a new status or profile post, you will achieve the same accolades, likes, attention that way too

3.) You have had similar occasions where mods have had to cut back your spam, if you remember your most recent spamming of your safe messages about the Las Vegas shooting incident ?

4.) Suggestion long posts that end with hope it helps are not always easy reading, especially for people who did not ask for it.
 
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