Trying to recap my pro tour 630 since i thought it needed new grommets. However the xt prestige grommets that are the only available black ones here in europe anyways seem to have a very poor fit. My stringer just called me and told me he couldnt get it to work, the string broke the grommet because of the poor fit. It was relly hard trying to put them on by the way, even though i used a hairdryer i still couldnt get it thru the last holes on top but i figured when he would string the raquet he might be able to but didnt work. So i see the graphene prestige grommets are still around(red ones) anyone have any experiense with those? From all the grommets ive used the transparent IG ones where the easiest ones to put on the raquet, never tried the red ones though....
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HeadClassic
Rookie
The red are the same as the black. And they both fit just fine. I've replaced many. Start at the bottom and do the top last.
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If you're asking about the MP (98 square inches) 630/280, TW still carries the all black grommets. It's the mid (90 sq in) that is no longer available. Did see someone from the UK on the auction site that wanted $30 or so a piece for them though.
Here's the orange one (not red).. https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Head_Graphene_Prestige_MP_98_Grommet/descpageHEAD-HGPMPG.html
Is the one you had issues with fitting? https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/He...Prestige_MP_Grommet/descpageHEAD-HGXTPMP.html
I don't see why your stringer had issues with that one. It should fit fine. Same head size & string pattern.
Is the one you had issues with fitting? https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/He...Prestige_MP_Grommet/descpageHEAD-HGXTPMP.html
I don't see why your stringer had issues with that one. It should fit fine. Same head size & string pattern.
Well
Well it simply doesnt fit as well as previous versions of capgrommets. Ive never had any problems fitting previous versions on my radical tours but with the xt ones i couldnt get them in the top holes even after i used a blowdryer...
Well ive done it at least 5 times on my radical tours with the older prestige grommets, no problems didnt even need a blowdryer to soften them, and the transparent ig grommets where so easy to put on there was not even need for a nail which is what i usually use to guide the holes. These new grommets are different though....
ChrisG
Professional
After a bit of search in the forum, I managed to find the best way to reduce the overall weight of the PT630 : it's now 337g instead of the 350+, without dampener (this racquet doesn't need it) and without OG. My only concern is about the OG, I'm so used to play with one, but my limit weight (for now) is under 340g.
I hit once yesterday and was switching with my TC95 16x19 63RA (334g) and the PT630 felt heavier than the 3g difference suggest.
I thing also the gauge used is too big for the 18x20 (1,28 TierOne black knight), so maybe a thinner one 1,20 should work better and make the racquet easier to play.
But I'm very happy, the feel is second to none for recreational play, now I need this final string tweak to make it a competitive racquet for me !
I hit once yesterday and was switching with my TC95 16x19 63RA (334g) and the PT630 felt heavier than the 3g difference suggest.
I thing also the gauge used is too big for the 18x20 (1,28 TierOne black knight), so maybe a thinner one 1,20 should work better and make the racquet easier to play.
But I'm very happy, the feel is second to none for recreational play, now I need this final string tweak to make it a competitive racquet for me !
What is this way to reduce the weight? Please provide a solution. I've got pair of pt630 close to 360 gr and it's heavier than I like
ChrisG
Professional
Well, the first thing to do is to replace the grommets : I've used the mg radical mp grommet, the lightest available right now in Europe at least.
Then you need to choose the lightest grip : there's a thread with all the details about grips (weight/thickness etc...) that is very useful. I put a Wilson confort hybrid grip ( with gold lettering but I like it !!).
Last thing is string thickness. Choose a thinner gauge and it will automatically reduce weight (not tried it yet on the PT630).
Obviously, OG and dampener will add weight, so I really think you shouldn't use them.
Mine is now 337g, so the benefit is really important.
I hope I've been useful to you, this racquet is quite something !
Thanks a lot. I try to follow and implement your advise. I'd like to reduce weight for my PT's. I've got the same issue with my Zebras. I've removed bamper and used syntetic grip to get it 348-350 gr strung. It's optimal weight for me and not very head-light. But they become to unprotected and i cracked two of them becouse of slip out of hand during the serve.
I always thougt my pro tours where rather light. The zebras capped are perfekt weight for me more or less cause they do differ but all of them are playable to my liking. With the protours though i need to put som lead in the hoop, not sure how much maybe about 4-5 grams at 3, 9 and 12, that puts the overall weight at around 350 with caps 1.20 string and an overgrip on. Also i think this setup gives me slightly more swingweight then the zebras have...
HeadClassic
Rookie
I have two PT57A in Graphene XT paint that I bought new, and have used for a few hours each. The thing is, I've learned that I just play better with extended rackets. So I know this is a long shot, but if anyone has XL PT57A or XL Wilson H22 that they would be willing to trade for my standard length that would be awesome! PM me.
So recap on the caps. Red prestige grommets fit exellent on pro tours and will go on much easier then the black grommets. Also have to say they look really gorgeous on these raquets, was not sure they would but i really think they do. There has been som speculation on the weight of different capgrommets. I have weighed the transperent ig ones, the black xt ones, and now the red graphene ones and i can confirm that they are all actually the same weight which is 28 grams on my foodscale...
Songs For A Dead Pilot
Semi-Pro
Hope not asking for something that was answered – were the specs for cap and non-cap version of Pro Tour 630 different? Or the lay-up was lighter and there where the same?
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vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Layup never changed. Layup is the orientation of the Graphite fibers in the mold. The materials used. Weight and balance is a different thing
Songs For A Dead Pilot
Semi-Pro
So what was the difference in weight, balance and SW in both versions?
BlueB
Legend
Quite right, with a small addition: in composites industry the layup also means how much material and where. So, the same layup would mean same weight and balance of the hairpin. Theoretically, the only difference in SW and weigh should be the cap vs. normal head guard and any weights added in the handle, different pallets, or grip.
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HeadClassic
Rookie
I answered this already on the previous page. The difference is this:
Pro Tour 630 Trek Font: 12.2 ounces with 323cm balance (strung)
Pro Tour 630 Shadow Font: 12.0 ounces with 328cm balance (capped and strung)
The Shadow Font hairpin is lighter than the Trek font. And in my subjective opinion, Trek font plays ever slightly stiffer. Shadow Font feels like a PT57A to me. I have not played with the Pro Tour 280 versions so I cannot offer any insight there.
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PistolPete23
Hall of Fame
I'm still waiting to find one at the local thrift shop as others have done 
. But seriously, please, please Head, retro the 280/630 along with the Prestige Classic so we don't have to pay exorbitant prices for scratched up frames on the internet. Follow the same strategy as the Air Jordan 11; I'm pretty sure as long as you make them, people will buy them.
. But seriously, please, please Head, retro the 280/630 along with the Prestige Classic so we don't have to pay exorbitant prices for scratched up frames on the internet. Follow the same strategy as the Air Jordan 11; I'm pretty sure as long as you make them, people will buy them.Hello folks,
Got myself a pair of PT630 made in Austria about 1-2 months ago. They’re practically brand new which is amazing. They’re at about 340g strung with Kimony leather grip + overgrip, which is the same static weight as my Wilson Ultra Tour.
But it just feels SO much heftier to swing.
Cannot for the life of me find a consistent swingweight for this stick online. Anyone here know for sure?
Thanks
Got myself a pair of PT630 made in Austria about 1-2 months ago. They’re practically brand new which is amazing. They’re at about 340g strung with Kimony leather grip + overgrip, which is the same static weight as my Wilson Ultra Tour.
But it just feels SO much heftier to swing.
Cannot for the life of me find a consistent swingweight for this stick online. Anyone here know for sure?
Thanks
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
It's supposed to be 327, but with Head racquets, it's best to try to take it to someone that has the machine to measure it properly and give you a definitive answer.
That’s strung right?
Because the UT is supposedly 319 strung, and the PT630 feels way over 327 based on that. Both of them actually.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
I think that's what TW has it listed in their Racquet Finder section, but with the QC of both of these manufacturers, you never know. The PT630 comes in different versions (the Shadow Font, the Star Trek Font, and then the PT280 for the US market). Some have the Cap Grommets (Shadow Font, I think), and some don't (at least my Star Trek just has the Head guard with normal grommet strip on the sides), and then if you bought it used some people will add the Cap Grommets to the Star Trek version (which from what I have read felt more head heavy than the Shadow Font - so adding Cap Grommets would make it much more weighty feeling). Then there is the standard shady QC which could mean they were heavier to start with and the SW is higher... best to check by having them measured properly. However, if you don't want to, can't be bothered, or have nowhere where that can be done, you'll need to decide whether you'll modify them to your liking, learn to like them as they are, or move onto other racquets.
I know it's tough, but those are the options. That's why I decided to get the Tecnifibre TFight 315 Limited (2013) and the UT, which when modified can come in 20g+ lighter (my PT630 is around 370g with the overgrip and rubberband) and be close to the feel and performance of the PT630 (not the same but close - especially the Tec TF 315 Limited).
Mine are the shadow font with full cap grommets. Do you know the “theoretical” SW on those?
There’s only one RDC machine here where I’m from and the flex rating is broken, so I’m delaying going there. My ultra tour is supposedly a Pro Stock so I really wanted to test it’s flex.
As far as feel goes, may be just me but I don’t think the UT comes anywhere close to the feel of the PT... the ball pocketing and flex in the PT are just so unique. Played with the Angell K7 and even that wasn’t the same.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Nothing matches the PT630 exactly... that is why it's so unique and special. The UT feels totally different from the PT630 but is still comfortable, it is based on the PT630 (the H19 is Wilson's version of the PT630), and so it still provides the great directional control, precision on all strokes, and versatility of the PT630. If you want something that feels like the PT630 exactly, I'm afraid you'll have to stick with the PT630 itself and learn how to play with it. You need to give it lots of time and be prepared to work hard on your technique, stroke mechanics, footwork, and fitness. It can be done.
Although, people are starting to claim that the new Blade v7 18x20 "feels" similar to the PT630... so go figure.
On the topic of the "Theoretical SW," you asked about... since TW only lists one value, which is 327, I'd have to say that is it. I've never measured my PT630 because I've just accepted that I like the feel, that it's unique, that I won't sell the racquet, and that I will play with it whenever I want. When I am not playing with it, I use other racquets (like the UT, Tec TF 315 Limited in both 18M and 16M, and too many others to mention).
At the end of the day, it is up to you, either learn to play with it, use something else, or mostly use something else and use the PT630 occasionally. No racquet is perfect and we will all choose different racquets for different reasons. Choose the racquet that ticks the most boxes for you and play with that.
nwv
New User
Hello everyone, here is my first post here:
In response to a SW question above:
PT280
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SW: 312
Stifness: 53
Static weight: 344 (includes leather grip and overgrip plus some lead - approx 2-3g)
Strings: Solinco TB 1.15 @23.5/23.5 kg
Grommets are new - MG Rad.
Only hit one hour and I am in the process of evaluating it (vs k90, PS90, k95, n95, yonex duelG hg)
Played one set, right after a first set with the k95 6.1, different play, lower power, overall satisfying
First impression:
- it spins
- it controls the ball
- the serve works fine (easy)
- need to adapt
- good experience
In response to a SW question above:
PT280
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SW: 312
Stifness: 53
Static weight: 344 (includes leather grip and overgrip plus some lead - approx 2-3g)
Strings: Solinco TB 1.15 @23.5/23.5 kg
Grommets are new - MG Rad.
Only hit one hour and I am in the process of evaluating it (vs k90, PS90, k95, n95, yonex duelG hg)
Played one set, right after a first set with the k95 6.1, different play, lower power, overall satisfying
First impression:
- it spins
- it controls the ball
- the serve works fine (easy)
- need to adapt
- good experience
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nwv
New User
Measured at a local stringing shop, not by me directly. I could use the SW calculator and check - seemed low to me too as well, my other racquets are 340, 330, 336, 331, 334 (TW SW calculator) - this PT280 swings lighter/quicker though than any of my other racquets.
Also I replaced the original grommet set with the MGRadical which may be lighter.
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nwv
New User
Hello,
I have a PT280 that feels head light and the swing weight is (I would guess) low.
Specs:
Static weight: 344g (leather grip + overgrip + lead tape 2g@12 and 1g@3&9, grip #4
SW: 310 kgxcm2
Flex: 54 units RDC throat stiffness rating strung with Solinco TB 1.15 @23.5/23.5 kg
Grommets: MG Radical
Level: 4.5, clay court player (mostly)
Other racquets:
K90, PS90, K95, n95, Yonex DuelG hg --- 340, 330, 336, 331, 334 (TW SW calculator)
Planning to buy;
2xPT630 MIA
I am intrigued with the PT as it is quite addictive and so I felt the need to share
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Songs For A Dead Pilot
Semi-Pro
Okay – I thought I knew something – but I need some clarification.
1) I understand that the mold of Pro Tour 630 and Radical Tour 630 is the same? Am I right? It is the same mold as in Prestige MP (at least YouTek, IG, all Graphene) – PT57.
2) If so – was the lay-up of Pro Tour 630 and Pro Tour 630 the same? And is this PT57A?
3) And if not – is PT57A (in general as I know that they are maybe some differences – PT57A2, etc.) lay-up of Pro Tour 630 (that's what I thought) or Radical Tour 630?
Many thanks for feedback and sorry if it was explained earlier.
That's what I have in my notes
PT57A - Pro Tour 630 (available in PT57A/A2/A3)
PT57B - Radical Tour TwinTube 630
PT57C - Ti Fire Pro Edition SE1/2
PT57D - Ti Fire Tour Edition SE1/2
PT57E - i.Prestige 630
PT57F - PT57 mold with Flexpoint-holes
1) I understand that the mold of Pro Tour 630 and Radical Tour 630 is the same? Am I right? It is the same mold as in Prestige MP (at least YouTek, IG, all Graphene) – PT57.
2) If so – was the lay-up of Pro Tour 630 and Pro Tour 630 the same? And is this PT57A?
3) And if not – is PT57A (in general as I know that they are maybe some differences – PT57A2, etc.) lay-up of Pro Tour 630 (that's what I thought) or Radical Tour 630?
Many thanks for feedback and sorry if it was explained earlier.
That's what I have in my notes
PT57A - Pro Tour 630 (available in PT57A/A2/A3)
PT57B - Radical Tour TwinTube 630
PT57C - Ti Fire Pro Edition SE1/2
PT57D - Ti Fire Tour Edition SE1/2
PT57E - i.Prestige 630
PT57F - PT57 mold with Flexpoint-holes
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Okay – I thought I knew something – but I need some clarification.
1) I understand that the mold of Pro Tour 630 and Radical Tour 630 is the same? Am I right? It is the same mold as in Prestige MP (at least YouTek, IG, all Graphene) – PT57.
2) If so – was the lay-up of Pro Tour 630 and Pro Tour 630 the same? And is this PT57A?
3) And if not – is PT57A (in general as I know that they are maybe some differences – PT57A2, etc.) lay-up of Pro Tour 630 (that's what I thought) or Radical Tour 630?
Many thanks for feedback and sorry if it was explained earlier.
That's what I have in my notes
PT57A - Pro Tour 630 (available in PT57A/A2/A3)
PT57B - Radical Tour TwinTube 630
PT57C - Ti Fire Pro Edition SE1/2
PT57D - Ti Fire Tour Edition SE1/2
PT57E - i.Prestige 630
PT57F - PT57 mold with Flexpoint-holes
All I would add to this is that the very first Radical Tour 630 - The Yellow and Black (Bumblebee) is a PT57A (as it is not a Twin Tube construction), while the following two versions of the Radical Tour 630 (the Zebra, and Candy-cane - which are Twin Tube), are PT57B.
However, all the Radical Tour 630s have a different SW to the PT630 (339 Vs 327-ish - depending on whether it had the Full Cap Grommets or not). Although TW just has them as 339 SW for Rad Tour 630 and 327 SW for PT630/PT280.
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PistolPete23
Hall of Fame
Does the pro stock designation, i.e. PT57a, refer to the specific mold or both the mold and the layup?
In this case both. Very strictly the mold is called TK and the layup PT or TGT.
Shangri La
Hall of Fame
Does the new Yonex VPro HD play anything like the PT630/PT280?
PistolPete23
Hall of Fame
The PT57a to me is like the Stradivarius of tennis racquets. Many have attempted to replicate it but none of the wannabes have succeeded. I wonder why it’s so hard; it shouldn’t be that difficult to reverse engineer the layup if you have a good sectioning tool and microscope.
PhilSki
Rookie
I
I believe the Radical Tour 630 ‘Bumblebee’ is a PT57a but with a different flex and balance (and possibly stock weight) to the fabled Pro Tour 630. Remember, there are also the Lite Tour 630 and Vamp Tour which are PT57a but considerably lighter. All identical moulds (give or take 1mm on the beam width) but different rackets essentially.
The Prestiges you refer to are not PT57s. They are TGKs and TGTs. The LM Prestige is a PT of some kind but certainly not PT57.
Remember, layup refers to the materials used to construct a racket which ultimately affects overall feel. I cannot comment on the similarity of the layup between the PT630 and Bumblebee but I guess they are mighty similar. PT630 definitely had twaron whereas the Bumblebee may not have.
PT57a/2/3 differ in terms of initial weight and flex, pre-customisation. I believe Andy Murray’s PT57a is a PT57a2 but with a special 16 x 19 string pattern.
Okay – I thought I knew something – but I need some clarification.
1) I understand that the mold of Pro Tour 630 and Radical Tour 630 is the same? Am I right? It is the same mold as in Prestige MP (at least YouTek, IG, all Graphene) – PT57.
2) If so – was the lay-up of Pro Tour 630 and Pro Tour 630 the same? And is this PT57A?
3) And if not – is PT57A (in general as I know that they are maybe some differences – PT57A2, etc.) lay-up of Pro Tour 630 (that's what I thought) or Radical Tour 630?
Many thanks for feedback and sorry if it was explained earlier.
That's what I have in my notes
PT57A - Pro Tour 630 (available in PT57A/A2/A3)
PT57B - Radical Tour TwinTube 630
PT57C - Ti Fire Pro Edition SE1/2
PT57D - Ti Fire Tour Edition SE1/2
PT57E - i.Prestige 630
PT57F - PT57 mold with Flexpoint-holes
I believe the Radical Tour 630 ‘Bumblebee’ is a PT57a but with a different flex and balance (and possibly stock weight) to the fabled Pro Tour 630. Remember, there are also the Lite Tour 630 and Vamp Tour which are PT57a but considerably lighter. All identical moulds (give or take 1mm on the beam width) but different rackets essentially.
The Prestiges you refer to are not PT57s. They are TGKs and TGTs. The LM Prestige is a PT of some kind but certainly not PT57.
Remember, layup refers to the materials used to construct a racket which ultimately affects overall feel. I cannot comment on the similarity of the layup between the PT630 and Bumblebee but I guess they are mighty similar. PT630 definitely had twaron whereas the Bumblebee may not have.
PT57a/2/3 differ in terms of initial weight and flex, pre-customisation. I believe Andy Murray’s PT57a is a PT57a2 but with a special 16 x 19 string pattern.
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PhilSki
Rookie
The Bumblebee Radical wasn’t TwinTube but not sure if that’s what you meant? The ‘95 and ‘98 Radicals (Zebra and Candycane respectively) were, as was the Ti.Radical.
Songs For A Dead Pilot
Semi-Pro
Okay, I think I get it. Thank you all.
I thought more about mold – PT/TK57 (if the mold code is TK then grommets use the same codes which is somehow understandable).
That's why I do prefer Bumblebee than Twin Tube – maybe a bit less comfortable but better feel.
It could be that way. Honestly layup of the frame (as far as I get what it means) does not define the frame completely. The distribution of weight can change the racket dramatically.
After years with TGT291.2 as mine modern Radical frame (powerful and flexy 95" with rather dense 16x19) – I can make from that mold and layup quite a few really different rackets.
Also PT57A2 which I have can be quite a different stick from Pro Tour 630 which I used a couple of times. A friend of mine has his PT57A2 with no lead but with total static weight around 355g. Bought it customized that way for some proplayer. On the other hand I have PT57A2 of total static weight around 340g – very polarized and with high SW – this way they are customized here for some local ATP players (but I guess with higher static weight).
I thought more about mold – PT/TK57 (if the mold code is TK then grommets use the same codes which is somehow understandable).
That's why I do prefer Bumblebee than Twin Tube – maybe a bit less comfortable but better feel.
It could be that way. Honestly layup of the frame (as far as I get what it means
) does not define the frame completely. The distribution of weight can change the racket dramatically.After years with TGT291.2 as mine modern Radical frame (powerful and flexy 95" with rather dense 16x19) – I can make from that mold and layup quite a few really different rackets.
Also PT57A2 which I have can be quite a different stick from Pro Tour 630 which I used a couple of times. A friend of mine has his PT57A2 with no lead but with total static weight around 355g. Bought it customized that way for some proplayer. On the other hand I have PT57A2 of total static weight around 340g – very polarized and with high SW – this way they are customized here for some local ATP players (but I guess with higher static weight).
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Yeah a typo... was supposed to say that Bumblebee is not a twin tube, while the following two are...
Some of the Prestige racquets are PT57s... just not PT57A's... the i Prestige is a PT57E, and the Flexpoint version is a PT57F.
vsbabolat
G.O.A.T.
Bumblebee had Twaron. All HEAD racquets had twaron in them for a while.
Grinch
Rookie
Hmmm. My PT280 is anything but a lightweight. I’m also a first time poster to this forum and I’m trying to catch up reading the entire forum since it’s 2007 start.
My favorite two rackets that used to hang on a wall are a PT280 and a PS85 St Vincent. Both weigh in around 360. I play for fun with both, but the head size and stiffness of the PS85 makes it too demanding for real matches. The PT280, however, is still a competitive weapon, even against many millennials. Is your PT280 a “Designed in Austria”? Did I recall this or another forum said the China models were lighter?
My PT280 “Made in Austria” is 354g strung (w NXT16 and leather Fairway grip). With Tourna overgrip and Tourna O vib damp it weighs 360g with a 330 swingweight. That 360 & 330sw is a sweet spot that makes me play with old fashioned swing and footwork mechanics. Is it a coincidence that I’ve only had arm and/or leg joint problems when I’ve played with light next gen rackets?
Good luck with your PT addiction!
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
Welcome to the Forum... the PT630 is a wonderful racquet that definitely keeps you in shape and working on your footwork and mechanics. The feel is very unique and highly addictive.
