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Discussion in 'Racquets' started by KenC, Sep 15, 2012.

  1. Ramon

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    I still have my 2 Ki 5x's. They are the same racquet as yours but with a longer handle. When I put the handle up to my ear and shake it, I hear a sound also. It's a deeper sound than what I hear in the head. To me it sounds like a salt shaker also, but it's a bigger salt shaker. It does not sound to me like a loose object.
     
  2. eelhc

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    I think I definitely have a loose object inside the throat/handle. It sounds like a plastic bead. Not the soft salt shaker sound. Once the object has fallen down, I can shake the handle and hear the salt shaker sound.
     
  3. canadad

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    I beg your pardon if this is a silly question, but is it different from the sound of the micro-bearings? There is a chamber containing the micro-lead bearings in the handle.
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=463823

    I have had this happen before in other racquets without the Kinetic system, it was a small piece of drill flash. It got dislodged by taking the butt-cap off and tapping it out.

    Also, I have sent a few emails to PK and they do not return emails. To me that is unacceptable customer service.
     
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  4. eelhc

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    Definitely not the normal microbearings "salt shaker" sound. I can hear the salt shaker sound from the handle. This is another/different sound.
     
  5. eelhc

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    I called ProKennex after several unreturned eMails and left a message. They returned the call within a 1/2 day. We spoke a bit and the rattle is definitely not the micro-bearings or chards from drilling. I sent the racquet and they sent me a new one (took a little bit since none were in stock in the US at the moment)... so in the end ProKennex customer service came through. I would suggest calling ProKennex for anyone who needs service.

    That all said... I probably won't be keeping this frame. I've recently acquired 3 EXO3 Tour 100 18x16 frames and they are as arm friendly and I seem to hit them much better.
     
  6. GrandSlam45

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    The exact same thing happened to me. I owned 2 of them and one of them developed what was clearly a loose object inside the frame.

    It was about this time that I moved on to the Volkl C10 Pro, which is like a high end BMW compared to the PK's Honda.
     
  7. KenC

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    So, I have been using this frame for 2 years now. I've definitely improved my game and my elbow has never been happier. The interesting thing is now with this frame my elbow can even tolerate soft copoly strings. This summer I strung up a few racquets with PF Hexablade at 22kg and trained hard with a 5.5 everyday for a month and no TE! Now I am using Tour Bite Soft at 23kg and I have to say it is really comfortable.

    I see that the 2014 model has changed graphics again but was told the underlying racquet is still the same as the 2012 and 2013 racquets. Anyone notice any difference? I am thinking about picking up a few more racquets as I see myself playing the PK Ki5 315 for the long haul.
     
  8. smirker

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    Still have mine but popped a string a while back and haven't got around to re-stringing it. Twinge in my elbow recently from playing stiffer frames so the Ki5 may get some use again. Moved away from it due to lack of power on return and slightly sluggish feel at net.
     
  9. canadad

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    Annnnddddd....I'm back.
    I sold mY Ki 5 a year ago to because I was loving what the 7G's. Anyway, long story short, sold the 7G's to someone in need and started to use the APD's which I like very much. However, the predictable arm issues arose and I needed something to help. I was was lucky enough to buy back my original Ki 5 I sold in the first place.
    I was excited, it was like welcoming back an old friend. I can't say enough about this frame! Arm problems instantly went away and I am hitting the ball really well. I hadn't played with it for a year, but was dialled in right away. I can 't crack the same serves or hit with the same spin or power as I can with the APD, but precision and comfort are better.
    I am not sure whether this is a more permanent switch, (I still really like the APD)but I am sure playing confidently with it. I may have to pick up a second if I see a good deal. I am starting to get itchy enough to try the PSE and retry the 5x.
     
  10. Ramon

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    If you want more power, another one to try might be the Q5 or Q5X. Personally, I get enough power with my Ki 5x, so I'm not looking to switch.
     
  11. canadad

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    I've tried the Q5, wasn't for me. I thought it lacked the feel of the Ki5
     
  12. drak

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    So far I am really liking (as is my shoulder!) the Qtour 295, I am playing it stock with just an overgrip and a few grams extra at the butt cap area, weighs 315 grams strung. I find it very solid for that weight.

    Drak
     
  13. canadad

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    I've got the PSE coming. I thought I'd give it a shot, I like heavy racquets. I'll post my thoughts once I've tried it.
     
  14. skydog

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    Picked up a pair of Ki 5 PSE's this past week and I am loving my return to PK. Solid controllable power. I have been using POG OS and C10 Pros the past two years so the increased weight is hardly noticeable (with a brief period of Prestige S use, which was too light)

    First taste of PK was the original Copper Ace in the 80's, the Pro 5g in the early 2000's, and now into the PSE. After the first hit with the PSE, I am wondering why I ever left.

    So far, no mods, just head protection tape and some Super Grap.
     
  15. GrandSlam45

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    I just noticed TW lists the Ki5 as 11.8oz strung. Is this a typo? My Ki5 says 11.1oz unstrung on the racquet. Don't strings account for only .3 to .4 oz?
     
  16. canadad

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    I am not totally sure, but I believe that TW takes an average of racquets in stock and determines a number from there. Quality control would most definitely make for variations in weight.
     
  17. GrandSlam45

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    11.8 seems too high for this racquet, especially considering it's so low powered and lacks plow. I have other racquets in the 11.8 - 12oz range and the Ki5 feels very light in comparison.

    I would guess it's more in the 11.4 - 11.6 range.
     
  18. Don't Let It Bounce

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    Arise, O Thread, from thy mouldering grave, and shamble forth to terrorize the living....

    I just came across this 1995 NY Times article on the then-new PK Kinetic tech and thought the PK fans here might enjoy. There is mention of Kinetic being the first breakthrough since widebodies, and it strikes me as interesting that in this age of temporary "tech" that never saw the inside of an engineer's office ("Youtek! It's TECHNOLOGY! For YOU!"), Kinetic and widebodies have been around now for 20 years and 27 years, respectively, and are still chugging along.
     
  19. smirker

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    Tech that actually works. Shock horror. Still have my Ki5. It comes in use once in a while like a dependable eold friend who's always there when you need them most. Leather grip and a bit of lead at 12 is the best formula for this frame with a soft copoly. Stay loyal old friend, you will always have a place in my heart.
     
  20. crazyups

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    I'm not sure the ki5 fans will like the stiffer specs of this new version but I recently got 2 of the new ki5 320's from TW europe that are RA of 68 and I couldn't be happier. I do not have tennis or golfer's elbow, just love the perfect specs for me. They are powerful and precise and feel softer than 68 stiffness. I have tungsten tape at the tip and a little at 3 and 9, took off the grip and put 2 over grips for a balance of 4 headlight points and 339 grams. And yes, believe it or not this is my holy grail, something I thought I would never find but these specs are so unique(16x20 string pattern in a stiff 100 inch squared head with decent swing weight) and I am finally able to customize to perfection. I did try to customize the q5 but could not get exactly what I wanted but close. By the way, I have been experimenting with specs for 15 years and part of the problem was figuring out what was best for me. Too bad I had to pay some duty fees but I got a great deal on them. Hope they come to the US.
     
  21. smirker

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    Sounds like PK have addressed the major issue with the Ki5, lack of power. By stiffening it up a bit I hope they have retained the comfortable feel.
     
  22. crazyups

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    They certainly have, going somewhat with the trend of stiffer tweeners but retaining most of the character of the ki series. Ki 5 is not a tweener really because of the great control it has.
    Smirker, looks like I just got cured from raquetholism so I will be saving plenty of money. Keeping my fingers crossed!
     
  23. smirker

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    I still play with my Ki5 occasionally and I always enjoy the experience. It doesn't have one stand-out feature but seems to play well in most areas. Don't know why it's not my main racket to be honest. Interested to try one of the new ones, will take a look at TW Europe which I guess is where you got yours?
     
  24. crazyups

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    Yes
     
  25. Aloysius

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    I got the KI5 320 a few months back, and I am still not used to the high swing speed and apparently lightweight hoop. Have trouble with volleys and balls with pace as my racquet keeps getting pushed back upon impact. Having low power on my 2HBH as well. Tried all sorts of lead combinations, but it tends to screw up some other part of my game royally. Right now I have 4 grams total at 3 & 9 positions, and 2 overgrips.

    Do you guys lead up or just play with stock? Any recommendations for arm-friendly strings with some power and durability?
     
  26. crazyups

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    I suggest putting the lead at 12 which is where I have mine(tungsten). That will bring the tip right through the strike zone with more power. I also took of the original grip and put on 2 overgrips and 2 extra rubber bands. I am at 4.5 points head light and 341 grams. But I also have 16 gauge(1.30mm) string which is heavier uniformly throughout the racquet head. Weight at the tip should create more racquet head speed. If you use thinner strings you might want to add a little weight to 3 and 9. Great frame.
     
  27. Aloysius

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    Is there a way to increase power without increasing potential for racquet head speed? It already swings too fast for my liking without the lead.

    Anyway, how did you get to only 341 grams with lead and 2 overgrips when the racquet is already supposed to weigh 337 grams strung in stock form?
     
  28. crazyups

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    Actually in your case putting weight at 12 will increase the swingweight which will slow your swing speed. If it's swinging too fast still just keep adding weight at 12 in small increments. I got a low racquet weight because the grip and rubber band that I took off weighed more than the 2 over grips I put on. But my swing weight is pretty high because of the weight I have at 12. Remember that extra swingweight gives you extra power assuming you can still swing it fast enough.
     
  29. crazyups

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    To explain further, the 2 overgrips I put on are the same thickness combined as the original grip that I took off. That is why I bought my frame one size bigger so that I could have the sweat absorbing qualities of the overgrips but still keep my correct grip size.
    In your case you are swinging too fast because your swing weight is too low. Adding swingweight will also increase your plowthrough which will prevent your racquet from being pushed back. Sounds like you should do what I did. But remember that what I did changed the balance of my racquet which I like.
     
  30. Aloysius

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    I see. Any suggestions for synthetic gut and recommended tension? I wonder if anyone plays with the KI5 320 in stock form, since plowthrough seems to be commented on. Not many bought the new KI5, it seems.
     
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    I think this racket is very underrated but to me it is the best racket out of at least 100 rackets that i've played. I like especially the gripshape which is very important for me. It suits me perfectly.
     
  32. crazyups

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    Yeah, I love the prokennex grip shape and I think they have the best 100 square inch racquets out there with the 16x20 pattern. I've noticed that the 100's and even the QTour that they really benefit from weight at the tip for some reason.
    Aloysius I can't comment on synthetic gut since I only use poly but the ki5 320 is very arm friendly and comfortable even with the high RA so a soft poly should be pretty safe. The reason I think that not many bought it is because they got scared off by the 68 RA but even when you look at the TW review it scores very high for comfort. My new QTour has my attention now though.
     
  33. crazyups

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    I have never had a racquet that I could play stock and I have had many. Like Michelle says in the review this ki5 320 is a great platform for customization but the TW testers have to play them stock, but that could make a racquet score much lower than if it was customized.
     
  34. fireandwind

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    How many people still playing with k5 PSE?
     
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  35. Aloysius

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    To be fair, all other racquets can be customised as well.
     
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    Just realised that I have been customising the KI5 "incorrectly"... I have been placing lead at 3 and 9 all this while, hoping that it will increase torsional stability because I found the hoop so lightweight that it pushed my racquet back too much on volleys. Problem with this is that my shots became much flatter despite changes in my strokes to impart more spin. If TW reviews are to be believed, then this is worsening the already lower spin that this racquet suffers from.

    Now I place only 2grams at the 12 position and spin is hugely improved. My racquet is pushed back lesser on volleys because of the higher swingweight as well, I presume? But I suppose my off center hits will be terrible. I am thinking that this helps with the argument that weight at 12 increases swingweight more and in creases spin, while weight at 3&9 increases swingweight less, increases torsional stability (better off center hits) but decreases potential for spin. Any thoughts?

    Anyway, what do you guys think is the lowest tension I can go for full syn gut in 16 gauge before it becomes an obvious fatal mistake?
     
  37. bageldog

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    If you go on TWU, you'll see that the new ki5 already have high twistweight (in fact the ki5 280 is over 15, higher than the 320), so you can add at 12 and still have a very stable racket. I prefer the 280 version because you can add mass where needed to make it very solid and get the results you want, and still keep the total weight down.
     
  38. crazyups

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    Racquets that are too heavy are much harder to customize
     
  39. Aloysius

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    Anyone else having trouble with floating slices and backhands (mine is 2HBH) landing short for the KI5 320?
     
  40. crazyups

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    Sounds like a string issue or else you need more weight around 3 and 9. I get good slices with my 16 gauge poly string, better than the thinner string.
     
  41. Ramon

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    I also put weight at the top of the hoop of my Ki5 320. I put 1.5" wide racquet head tape on the bumper guard and 2 grams of lead tape at 12. It worked better for me than putting weight at 3 and 9. I used to use the Ki5x and I was accustomed to the higher swingweight and plow. This modification partially makes up for that extra plow and I get a little better control because of the standard length.
     
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    I have weight at 3, 9 and 12 on the racquet with 1.25mm poly, and only at 12 on the other one because it the thicker, heavier 1.3mm poly that makes up the difference. Aloysius, you should probably put a little weight at 3 and 9 too.I stopped using lead because tungsten is heavier so I can use less and I don't have to scrub my hands with soap since lead is toxic. Also tungsten looks much better on the black frame.
     
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    How does putting weight at 12 differ from that at 3 and 9 for you? I am having issues with 2HBH pace and floating BH slices. I used to play with a ADPGT, and never had any problems besides the arm issues.
     
  44. bageldog

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    you really need to use a thinner string with the ki5, they have a really dense pattern. 2hand backhands do best with high swingweights where you can feel the weight far away from you...unfortunately for me whatever feels best on backhand is always too heavy for the rest of my game. try weight at 10/2 so you get stability and the weight farther away from you to pull through the ball on the backhand
     

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